Discussion Fraudrin's Masterplan

[Beatrice]

Okay, the purpose of this thread is for the sake of discussing just how Fraudrin seems to have fooled the entire world.The details of the plan as to what he has done.
Because the more I read about Zaratras, Dreyfus and Hendricksen etc. the more I realize just how much of a diabolical genius he is.

First of all, let's begin 10 years.
We know what occured:

First of all:

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Here it is noted that the Sin were called back by a Great Holy Knight.
And as we know:

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The explanation for this AT FIRST was delivered by Gowther:

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With the revelation of Fraudrin possessing Dreyfus however there is a whole other reason for the murder of him:

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as well as:

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So the reasoning here is simple:
Zaratras and his "Purge" Ability was a major threat.
Thus, he had to be taken out.
Fraudrin simply used Dreyfus and his entire jealousy and hatred towards his brother in order to hide/mask his own ambitions and reasoning.
The important thing to note is that Zaratras was noted to be invincible as well with "only the sins can put a fight".
Fraudrin cleverly used this to make the framing of the sins all the more believable.Who else could defeat Zaratras after all?


Secondly:

What also happened ten years ago?

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Hendricksen began to change.

In the little extra pages about Dreyfus and Hendricksen it is noted they know each other for 27 years.
Hendricksen was FORCED to move to Liones when he was 12 with Dreyfus having befriended the young Druid.
Druids are noted to not really engage much with Humans and he was a Kid.
The Bond with Dreyfus thus is all the more special.
We know Fraudrin can somehow hack into Dreyfus' mind, so it's a simple thing to do for him to use the bond of the two in order to twist Hendricksen into the direction he wanted by using Dreyfus.
I'm not sure which chapter it was but it was also noted that Dreyfus was also his mentor.

We saw what Hendricksen was like, he was a kind and gentle person.
What could have happened that he ended up that way?
You know the answer.
Fraudrin used the bond and mentor role of Dreyfus, the 17 year long friendship to corrupt him 10 years ago.


During these years, Fraudrin had to do nothing as he managed to make Hendricksen do all the dirty work until the battle in Liones.Hendricksen collected all the pieces and Fraudrin himself took care of the last one.

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From there on, Fraudrin won with all he had to do was:

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Everyone thought Dreyfus was dead.
From here on, Fraudrin could operate from the Shadow and the single role of the Villain goes to Hendricksen.
And whether he wins or not, it didn't matter.
Fraudrin had the blood and all other pieces, Hendricksen wins?All fair and good.
Hendricksen loses?He can just rejuvenate him as we saw.

 

[Demonspeed]

I agree with you but what is more mysterious is how he managed to change Hendrickson like that, at first I thought it was some mind control but when he showed himself to Demon Hendrickson he talked him normally. Being a mentor would not be enough to change his personality to that extent IMO. There is also the matter of Dreyfus's true personality, does he know Fraudrin is possessing him? How was Fraudrin switching personalities all this time?

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Hendrickson's personality changing might have to do with entering in contact with demon blood. As seen when Hendrickson escaped, Fraudrin in Dreyfus body gave him some of his blood. We know what demon blood can do to humans, it feeds on their inferiority complex . Now the blood alone is far from being enough, so at some point Dreyfus would have used his influence on Hendy to make him change. There's also the fact that Hendrickson was feeling really guilty about killing Zaratras, he was prolly too weak emotionally and it only made things easier for Fraudrin.But what bothers me is that all this time it seemed that Hendy was at the center of everything, even when he decided to resurrect the demons. Dreyfus seemed to have nothing to do with it, and he was acting surprised when Hendrickson shared his plans with him about the Holy war. So my question is if Fraudrin through Dreyfus was manipulating Hendrickson and was the one who put the idea of resurrecting the demons in his head, wouldn't the latter have realized it?
There's also something that I find weird and that hasn't been explained yet. How the hell did Dreyfus survive Acid back then?Even Hendy was convinced that he killed his friend back then, that's why he was so surprised when he saw him in the valley. And we have Griamore as a witness who said that he saw his dad die as well. To me it looks like Fraudrin might have some sort of mind control or wiping memory ability. Such an ability would be very useful to Fraudrin's plan, so maybe Hendrickson got his memory wiped or was being controlled literally by the demon.
Even if he hasn't managed to free all the demons, Fraudrin's plan can be considered a success. And what is more important is that almost no one will suspect him or Dreyfus, seeing how the latter is still thought to be dead, so all the blame will fall on Hendrickson. I expect he will try to make amends, seeing his reaction to the ten commandments he prolly realized that it was a huge mistake to free the demons since they're much more powerful than he originally thought.

 

[overlordpringerx]

Hendrickson's personality changing might have to do with entering in contact with demon blood. As seen when Hendrickson escaped, Fraudrin in Dreyfus body gave him some of his blood. We know what demon blood can do to humans, it feeds on their inferiority complex . Now the blood alone is far from being enough, so at some point Dreyfus would have used his influence on Hendy to make him change. There's also the fact that Hendrickson was feeling really guilty about killing Zaratras, he was prolly too weak emotionally and it only made things easier for Fraudrin.But what bothers me is that all this time it seemed that Hendy was at the center of everything, even when he decided to resurrect the demons. Dreyfus seemed to have nothing to do with it, and he was acting surprised when Hendrickson shared his plans with him about the Holy war. So my question is if Fraudrin through Dreyfus was manipulating Hendrickson and was the one who put the idea of resurrecting the demons in his head, wouldn't the latter have realized it?
There's also something that I find weird and that hasn't been explained yet. How the hell did Dreyfus survive Acid back then?Even Hendy was convinced that he killed his friend back then, that's why he was so surprised when he saw him in the valley. And we have Griamore as a witness who said that he saw his dad die as well. To me it looks like Fraudrin might have some sort of mind control or wiping memory ability. Such an ability would be very useful to Fraudrin's plan, so maybe Hendrickson got his memory wiped or was being controlled literally by the demon.
Even if he hasn't managed to free all the demons, Fraudrin's plan can be considered a success. And what is more important is that almost no one will suspect him or Dreyfus, seeing how the latter is still thought to be dead, so all the blame will fall on Hendrickson. I expect he will try to make amends, seeing his reaction to the ten commandments he prolly realized that it was a huge mistake to free the demons since they're much more powerful than he originally thought.

I think Fraudrin was being so subtle in his actions, even Dreyfus didnt realize his existence, while Fraudrin was not directly possessing Dreyfus but more inhabitating him, while whispering into Dreyfus's mind, making him believe its his own thoughts, except on very few ocassions.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

I think Fraudrin was being so subtle in his actions, even Dreyfus didnt realize his existence, while Fraudrin was not directly possessing Dreyfus but more inhabitating him, while whispering into Dreyfus's mind, making him believe its his own thoughts, except on very few ocassions.

I wasn't talking about Dreyfus, but about Hendrickson. If the idea of resurrecting the demon clan was suggested by Fraudrin while he was in Dreyfus body, don't you think Hendy would have realized it? We pretty much know that Fraudrin was possessing Dreyfus who could be considered a host and that he could take over at any moment as seen when he injured Elizabeth(it was on purpose not an accident). The problem I have with Fraudrin/Dreyfus manipulating Hendrickson is that the latter should have been able to see that he was being manipulated, so either Fraudrin made sure that his manipulation would go unnoticed even from Hendy, or the latter arrived to the conclusion that the demons should be resurrected all by himself.
To me it does look like while not directly suggesting to resurrect the demon clan, Fraudrin cleverly put the idea in Hendy's mind, maybe by making sure he would find the red demon. We also saw him with a book on demons, so maybe he coveniently provided one so that Hendy could find it and learn more about them. So with that he made it look like Hendy thought about resurrecting the demons all by himself, it was subtle indeed. Because Dreyfus' position on the Holy war was apparently to have the Holy Knights fight the Sins, while Hendy thought it would be the demons vs the holy knights/first generation. So he ended up covering his tracks quite well, again by putting all of the blame on Hendrickson.

 

[Demonspeed]

Now that we know more about him, why do you think he "helped" Dreyfus and Hendrickson to realize their dreams? Because of his pride as a Demon or something else? What was he planning when he killed Liz?

 

[HereNThere]

Now that we know more about him, why do you think he "helped" Dreyfus and Hendrickson to realize their dreams? Because of his pride as a Demon or something else? What was he planning when he killed Liz?

Despite all his scheme and shenanigans, Fraudrin seems to be a man of his word. So he was serious about letting both their dreams come true. Besides, him getting both Dreyfus and Hendrickson into a leading position would have worked to his advantage in the long run. As for Liz, assuming she was also an Apostle, he most likely was trying to get her blood to bring the demons back again.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Now that we know more about him, why do you think he "helped" Dreyfus and Hendrickson to realize their dreams? Because of his pride as a Demon or something else? What was he planning when he killed Liz?

I wonder if Fradurin didn't receive help from the enemy kingdom for example. When Mel made it to where Liz where you could see that the place was in ruins, as if there was already a fight going on. Maybe Danafor was getting attacked by the enemy kingdom? And Fraudrin used it as a diversion to kill Liz who could be the apostle of the Goddess, or because she betrayed the enemy kingdom and gave info to Mel about them wanting to resurrect the demon clan or something.
In both cases I can see how Liz was an obstacle to Fraudrin's plan, and he prolly didn't want to attack Mel who was much stronger, so he kinda got surprised at the end by Mel appearing before him. Or he really did it because of a grudge and as Hendrickson said, he killed her because Mel loves her.

 

[HereNThere]

I wonder if Fradurin didn't receive help from the enemy kingdom for example. When Mel made it to where Liz where you could see that the place was in ruins, as if there was already a fight going on. Maybe Danafor was getting attacked by the enemy kingdom? And Fraudrin used it as a diversion to kill Liz who could be the apostle of the Goddess, or because she betrayed the enemy kingdom and gave info to Mel about them wanting to resurrect the demon clan or something.

Maybe not a rival kingdom, but perhaps a dragon or a demon.

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You can see something at the top of the panel, dead.

 

[Holt]

I also wonder why Hendy didn't realize the whole thing. I'm thinking that although Fraudrin initially manipulated him, he eventually began to bend to Fraudrin's intentions under the idea that it was actually Dreyfus and later on got consumed by the whole idea. By the time he had taken in the blood, he was probably on auto-pilot and Fraudrin didn't need to do anything again. Iirc, when grey Hendy was defeated and Fraudrin/Dreyfus gave him blood to revive him, Hendy seemed to be calling out for Dreyfus so he probably did all these thinking it was for Dreyfus then later on, he began to dig deeper of his own volition. Either way, Fraudrin manipulated them both initially (which they were maybe aware of) but I think at a point, neither of them (Hendy/Dreyfus) was aware that Fraudrin was behind the whole thing and they thought they were acting on their own.
As for Fraudrin attacking Liz in Danafor, I'm fairly sure he did that to get her blood to break the seal and revive the demons since she was likely an apostle. Seeing as Mel was stronger, I doubt he would have killed Liz just to get on Mel's bad side. It would be a pretty lame and low thing to do for someone like Fraudrin who thus far seems to not waste any action as he thinks things out and manipulates them for his benefit. Attacking Liz just to get to Mel is something one like Galan would do, not Fraudrin imo.

 

[Demonspeed]

Was Liz a Druid though? I know it has not been confirmed but I think Druids have all white hair. And if he planned to use her blood like that there were other ways than doing it so openly before Meliodas, unless he thought he was stronger than him or something.

I am not a fan of Elizabeth being in a cycle of reincarnations but it has been hinted and someone posted a picture with a Goddess and another creature looking like her and Hawk IIRC, it has also been hinted that Hawk had been a dragon. What if Fraudrin had learnt about it, studied that cycle and deduced that by killing Liz she'd come back later as a Druid apostle?

 

[kkck]

Was Liz a Druid though? I know it has not been confirmed but I think Druids have all white hair. And if he planned to use her blood like that there were other ways than doing it so openly before Meliodas, unless he thought he was stronger than him or something.

I am not a fan of Elizabeth being in a cycle of reincarnations but it has been hinted and someone posted a picture with a Goddess and another creature looking like her and Hawk IIRC, it has also been hinted that Hawk had been a dragon. What if Fraudrin had learnt about it, studied that cycle and deduced that by killing Liz she'd come back later as a Druid apostle?

The implication from the last chapter is that she is a druid. Last chapter they mentioned the priests and apostles of the goddess who made up a very small part of the clan. Via this logic liz logically should be a member of the clan although for whatever reason she never seems to have been there with them. I guess it also depends on a few details regarding her full backstory.

 

[overlordpringerx]

Was Liz a Druid though? I know it has not been confirmed but I think Druids have all white hair. And if he planned to use her blood like that there were other ways than doing it so openly before Meliodas, unless he thought he was stronger than him or something.

I am not a fan of Elizabeth being in a cycle of reincarnations but it has been hinted and someone posted a picture with a Goddess and another creature looking like her and Hawk IIRC, it has also been hinted that Hawk had been a dragon. What if Fraudrin had learnt about it, studied that cycle and deduced that by killing Liz she'd come back later as a Druid apostle?

When was it hinted he has been a dragon?

 

[-Ken-]

Which chapter was the one where the ex-great holy knight fight? I don't recall that one.

 

[Demonspeed]

The implication from the last chapter is that she is a druid. Last chapter they mentioned the priests and apostles of the goddess who made up a very small part of the clan. Via this logic liz logically should be a member of the clan although for whatever reason she never seems to have been there with them. I guess it also depends on a few details regarding her full backstory.

I didn't take it as an information about Liz but one about Druids in general, I didn't have the impression that her race was implied in this chapter.

When was it hinted he has been a dragon?

Chapter 98.1.

Which chapter was the one where the ex-great holy knight fight? I don't recall that one.

We never saw Zaratras fight, excepted in Edinburgh chapter 1 where he Purges Vampires.

 

[overlordpringerx]

I didn't take it as an information about Liz but one about Druids in general, I didn't have the impression that her race was implied in this chapter.




Chapter 98.1.



We never saw Zaratras fight, excepted in Edinburgh chapter 1 where he Purges Vampires.

It wasn't implied that he was a dragon. It was implied that he is the reincarnation of Wandle though.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Chapter 98.1.

It's chapter 98.5 and if anything it is hinted that he is Wandle, Mel's parrot partner thingy.

It's just a goofy remark from Hawk about him being a dragon, it's not a real hint that he might have been one, but it is a hint that he may be Wandle. Since we know that they were near Camelot and Merlin tracked Mel or at least his treasure, it wouldn't seem weird that she kept the bird but changed his form, or created Hawk to fill the void that was left after Wandle's absence.

 

[Sajuukkhar]

IIRC, in the page in which Merlin tells the three stooges to look at what happened in another light, she shows a "projection" of various animals, including a pig, a bird, a horse, and a dragon.

http://manga.redhawkscans.com/conte...0918d3bf0/The_Seven_Deadly_Sins107_09_RHN.png

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this was some sort of epic hint about Hawk in some way. Especially with the whole "Dragon" comment.

We already know he reincarnates, as does Liz...... how long has it been going on? and what did he reincarnate as in the past?

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

IIRC, in the page in which Merlin tells the three stooges to look at what happened in another light, she shows a "projection" of various animals, including a pig, a bird, a horse, and a dragon.

http://manga.redhawkscans.com/conte...0918d3bf0/The_Seven_Deadly_Sins107_09_RHN.png

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this was some sort of epic hint about Hawk in some way. Especially with the whole "Dragon" comment.

We already know he reincarnates, as does Liz...... how long has it been going on? and what did he reincarnate as in the past?

Still doesn't explain Mama hawk, whether he's Wandle, a dragon, or even a flying squirrel. The fact is we have Mama pig, so it's possible that magical talking pigs are a species of their own, like Oslow's black hounds.

 

[DDDDD5]

I haven't seen anything that would make me think he has a master plan. His actions as they were probably just to release the rest of the demons, something he and the other commandments are still trying to do. Beyond that it's not like there really is anything special for him to be trying to do.

Edit: Anything else he did was because he was fortunate enough to not be sealed for whatever reason.