Hangout Shingeki no Kyojin Hangout Thread

[kannazuki]

I think what she meant is that she wants to sacrifice her life for others, and be a savior of some sort, kinda like Krista. The latter was often called Goddess by others like Sasha in this instance
I think that's where the Goddess thing comes from, but of course Krista doesn't really exist.It's just a role that Historia was playing.I wonder how Ymir would feel about that.

Thanks for tracking down that video clip! Also, chapters 40-41 and 47 are good indicators of Ymir knowing Historia's "Krista" persona all too well. (In 47 she insists to a disbelieving Reiner that Historia must be on her way to save her.)

I have been wondering.... Remember earlier in the manga when it was explained that 250000 people or so were sent on a expedition to regain the outer wall? As far as we know they lost and were all eaten. Now, I understand that titans are almost impossible to defeat but how exactly did this work? We are talking about 250000 people here, its a rather large number of people. So.... they really couldn't take the walls back with that effort? I understand titans are basically impossible to fight against under normal conditions but in any scenario it seems weird that the result was just this 250000 people dying and just that.How many titans were there at shiganshina and surrounding areas? We know titans are attracted to people but its not like there are literally swarms of them. The highest number of titans we have seen, and only when specifically called is around 30. So.... You have 250000 completely expendable people fighting, say, hundreds of giants, and you get nothing to show for the expedition at all? Even if there were a couple thousand titans you still outnumbered them by a couple hundred to one. People don't have extremely advanced technology and hardly anyone can even use the 3d gear but under the scenario of expendable people wouldn't there be some form to deal with titans? For the amount of titans we have seen, how long would it take for 250000 people to die? Most titans can't even move at night... How long would it take for titans to eat 250000 people?

So... you have 250000 completely expendable people, a specific time at which titans are consistently useless and with the scouting legion you have a group of people that can consistently kill titans, even at night. Now, it is kinda up there whether anything they could build to cover the hole in the wall would actually keep titans out but given the circumstances does it not seem like they should have gotten something more out of this than just 250000 people dying? You don't even need to cover both holes to recover the wall, only the one that reyner made. Its a matter of getting the materials to cover the holes to the outer wall and then working at night. Titans are attracted to people so before dawn you'd need to get the people away from the hole so that they don't gather there during the day. Which should be fairly easy to do with horses. Well, maybe my speculation is too optimistic but still... Even traveling at night should be doable with proper mapping and familiarity with the terrain.

I don't think those folks had any training and they certainly didn't have 3dmg. Also, even if none of those titans could move a finger after dark (unlikely), odds were still against them. Remember titan skin is supposed to be hard to pierce. I have no doubt some of them put up a good fight but they had zero chance of surviving, short of finding somewhere with food and water to hide in, or if at least two experienced shifters were hiding among them.

 

[kkck]

The issue after dark would have been a few deviants at worst and even that would be up against 250000. My Beef with this is that so far it does not seem like there are that many titans. Even when they entered shiganshina its not like they they simply swarmed by the thousands or anything. If anything the most numerous titans we saw were the smaller ones which presumably can be take down without the gear by simply overwhelming them. 3 meter types can be taken down by guns for crying out loud. Even assuming hundreds of titans entered the walls... they still outnumbered them by the hundreds to one. Its a numerical advantage over dumb, predictable targets which over 100 years no one thought of a way to use. The vast majority of the population being unable to use the gear is not an issue, I am aware of that while writing my post, my issue is that they got to the point where they spent 250000 people and got nothing to show for it. It does not make a bit of sense. Its not like titans shove 20 humans into their mouths at once, they usually eat people one by one at normal eating speeds. And their stomachs have a limit of people they can hold until they throw up which should also be a sort of a moment to take advantage of when fighting a titan.

 

[gnut]

It wasn't to take back the walls...well that was their excuse.
but in fact...it was to lower the populace...seeing how they couldn't feed them

 

[kannazuki]

Well they might have taken a few smaller titans out, assuming they were armed with hatchets or something (though I doubt they had many of those if any at all). Many of them were weak or elderly, most were surely scared out of their wits. The fight-or-flight response literally shuts down your creativity and ability for advanced thought. So unless you have been trained to react instinctively, you are pretty much screwed. You're not going to think of anything new to try. So I don't see group strategies coming out of the mindset they probably went into this with, seeing as, like gnut said "reclamation" was just an excuse.

While titans are still faster than them and have "homing" instinct, I agree there are pauses they could take advantage of. I just think they took those opportunities to run or hide rather than to engage. Rather than staying in a big mass of 250k people, I'm sure they dispersed into smaller groups pretty fast. Probably a large number died not by encounters with titans but from exposure or dehydration. At the first sight of a titan I expect the majority of them would have ran and tried to hide, leaving only a minority of "foolhardy" (from the majority's point of view) people to attempt to fight. I can just imagine the arguments that probably broke out among them at such times. Remember the bit of anime filler where Jean had no 3dmg, running around in Trost? He was trained, young and healthy, he had higher places he could get to, but he was separated from his comrades and all he could do was hide. I think it was similar to that for them, but worse.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

I think we should compare that event to what happened to the expedition when they were attacked by Annie. Sure there wasn't any shifter involved as far as we know, but to me normal people wouldn't have stood a chance against mindless titans, just like the SL didn't stand a chance against Annie.Heck even mindless titans can deal some damage to the SL . Plus I doubt all these people were given 3D maneuver gear, and like Gnut pointed out the actual reasons they were sent was to lower the populace because of the shortage of food. 250 000 people is a lot I give you that, but without proper training and proper equipment it was a mass suicide, and I think many people were aware of the fact that they were sent to be basically get rid off, like Armin's grandpa.

 

[gnut]

yup....armin's g-pa was prime example.
they were armed with farming tools...we know they aren't ninja

 

[mattiaildivino]

so for anybody who missed it here are links to chapter 50.5 and chapter 51.5 of SNK.

Spoiler: Ugh, upon rereading I realize...

Not only was Ymir responding to Bert's "Somebody please find us!" from a couple of chapters back (as I've pointed out in the past), but maybe she really intends to "give back" what she stole, meaning she's willing to let them have a mindless titan eat her to advance the Warrior cause? Would be better if she was willing to join them herself but her titan might not be the type they're looking for.

Yup, re-reading that part, I also noticed how ymir reacted towards Bertold's request (which was likely meaning that they will be eaten as well, had they come back empty-handed). She stole the titan power (which is, according to Rod, the shifter power) by eating Marcel. I think she ate him before their assault towards the Walls, as when they attacked the walls they should have been older and with Annie amongst them (as armin said, annie was the one who gathered titans to charge in when Bertold crushed the gates). Also, she told Historia she had stolen that "long ago", instead of 5 years ago.

I've always believed Ymir was referring to being like "Goddess" Krista. Now I also think she specifically meant that in the sense not of just being a "saviour" figure, but of sacrificing herself for others' sake. :/

I'm not sure what other interpretations people might have though...

Not that I could find but some might have it. They're technically omake though. Those tend to appear inconsistently on reader sites, if at all.

they aren't just omakes, they are extra-pages which become parts of the chapter themselves, in fact Isayama did add them into the volumes. Ymir's statement was exactly a comparison to Krista who used to be the "saviour goddess".

On a side note, we shouldn't view this in the next chapter, but from the following one (that is, the 2nd of vol. 17), we should see RBY in shiganshina after a break to rest, looking for eren's basement in order to discover something. Furthermore, Grisha might have indeed been a warrior once, who infiltrated the Walls during a previous break, as Before the Fall narrates. This would strengthen the importance of that other manga

 

[Super Angillis]

It wasn't to take back the walls...well that was their excuse.
but in fact...it was to lower the populace...seeing how they couldn't feed them

Yeah, it was never meant to succeed, and it couldn't. A properly trained and equipped army can accomplish a lot, and do some amazing engineering feats. Look at what the Roman Legions pulled off. This was not such a thing. Hell they can't even fix a hole in the wall with access to it with Titans coming in. No way they can fix one with a supply line however many miles it is between the two walls.

Secondly don't sell the Titans short. Remember how bad to kill ratio for even trained and 3DMG equipped soldiers is. Even the scouts have it break down to "you almost certainly will die in a few years" from just the normal titans. They may be big and dumb, but unless you hit the weak point, they are impossible to kill, and with all the other titans trying to eat you, even swarming a downed (and thrashing around) titan isn't going to be easy.

Yup, re-reading that part, I also noticed how ymir reacted towards Bertold's request (which was likely meaning that they will be eaten as well, had they come back empty-handed). She stole the titan power (which is, according to Rod, the shifter power) by eating Marcel. I think she ate him before their assault towards the Walls, as when they attacked the walls they should have been older and with Annie amongst them (as armin said, annie was the one who gathered titans to charge in when Bertold crushed the gates). Also, she told Historia she had stolen that "long ago", instead of 5 years ago.

Funny thing is, it might end up being better for RBA's homeland. Feeding her to get another Titan shifter isn't going to help much if Eren gets the coordinate working and can sick every normal titan in the land on them, whereas handing her over in an attempt to butter up the scouts and possible future queen Historia might be helpful if they are trying to avoid being retaliated against for the whole trying to wipe them out thing.

 

[Erinyes]

SnK live-action film's 1st footage :

NTV's morning news program ZIP! aired the first footage on Thursday for the upcoming live-action Attack on Titan films.



Source : ANN

Narration: Over one hundred years ago... Half of humanity was eaten by the titans that suddenly appeared... The humanity that remained created a giant wall, and lived peacefully.
Text: Anticipated by the whole world!!
Text: Live-action film green-lit!
Mikasa: The world is cruel...
Eren: If we mess up, that's the end for humanity.
Title: Attack on Titan
Text: The attack begins on August 1!

ANN

 

[POW]

Meh no matter how cool a trailer looks I'm always skeptical about any live anime translation.

 

[teioh]

What they will do with western characters like RBA? Mikasa is the only canon survivor of asian people right? They will change a lot of stuff?

 

[BobobVanBlob]

What they will do with western characters like RBA? Mikasa is the only canon survivor of asian people right? They will change a lot of stuff?

Actually, they removed that for the movie. Everyone is asian except Jean, the last centaur.

Hue.

 

[Super Angillis]

Yeah... Attack on Titan would be hard enough with a huge blockbuster budget and ILM doing the effects. Hell sets alone... You'll excuse me if I'm going to be skeptical about this.

And speaking of being skeptical, I just realized something. We sometimes get spoilers around the first. And next month is April. Lets see how many fake spoilers we end up with.

 

[kannazuki]

Yeah... Attack on Titan would be hard enough with a huge blockbuster budget and ILM doing the effects. Hell sets alone... You'll excuse me if I'm going to be skeptical about this.

And speaking of being skeptical, I just realized something. We sometimes get spoilers around the first. And next month is April. Lets see how many fake spoilers we end up with.

Remember folks, if it looks like fanart... it's probably fanart.

 

[Edukovic]

The 3DS game is going for a US release...

http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/1/8326503/attack-on-titan-nintendo-3ds-game

 

[Super Angillis]

I'm both pleasently surprised and mildly dissappointed that we didn't get any silly fake spoilers like Rod's titan transforming when attacked and declaring himself "God Riess" or Annie breaking out of her crystal to help, or having most the cast get killed in stupid ways. Well real spoilers should be coming soon.

 

[Edukovic]

I'm both pleasently surprised and mildly dissappointed that we didn't get any silly fake spoilers like Rod's titan transforming when attacked and declaring himself "God Riess" or Annie breaking out of her crystal to help, or having most the cast get killed in stupid ways. Well real spoilers should be coming soon.

Mainly after April 1st.

 

[ArtIristic]

It is surprising that Isayama din't plan any big April fools on us.
If I were him I would had told the fans a month prior that there was a big surprise coming, then on April 1st I would "leak" an image of Annie breaking out...Into a song number with the rest of the 104th squad

...I would so have done it if I were him.

 

[kannazuki]

It would be funny, but I think he's done a high school band omake already. (That's the closest to a musical number I can imagine happening. Also, I might be wrong but I don't recall April Fool's Day being celebrated there. Obviously there are Broadway musicals touring and such, but Japan's own traditional heritage is far more prominently showcased in pop culture.) We should keep an eye out for after the April 9th release date of volume 16 in Japan, though. Somebody might release the omake/extra chapters at that time.

Whoever sees it first can post it in the official art thread here.

 

[gnut]

dammit m8s....no spoilers yet