Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2015] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[iceemperor]

From what I seen over the past few years, Its no longer how original a manga is, but how interesting it can be executed using Shonen cliches. Black clover was interesting. The 7 chapters I read did pull me in but It was missing something. BnHA is also full of cliches and an idea that has been done many times before but the art, idea heros, a hero school, intelligent protagonist, etc, all give it, in my opinion, that little bit of originality. Black clover still has to show that little bit. UBS i have yet to read as it sounds like a generic battle shounen and Roggy I might pick up later to read.

 

[Leoat12]

i have an unpopular opinion ( though i don't know why ) but i really like haihyuu better than BnH and i hope it sells a lot more by that time, but i haven't caught up to the manga yet so i'm a bit sad a lot of you ranked it a bit lower. any estimates as how long it may last ( judging by the manga itself and the life expectancy of sports manga ) ?

No doubt about it. In terms of quality Haikyuu is much better, I'm not afraid of saying that. In fact, Haikyuu is the best manga in WSJ putting One Piece aside. I can go even further and say that it is as good as Slam Dunk. It will have approximately the same length as Slam Dunk, I think.

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It is not my favorite though, becuase I have the unique ability of separating taste from quality.
I like Boku no Hero Academia more, a bit more...

 

[Txapeldun]

No doubt about it. In terms of quality Haikyuu is much better, I'm not afraid of saying that. In fact, Haikyuu is the best manga in WSJ putting One Piece aside. I can go even further and say that it is as good as Slam Dunk. It will have approximately the same length as Slam Dunk, I think.

Slam Dunk ended abruptly. So Haikyuu could go even further. Popularity is not an issue here, Haikyuu is safe for years. Plotwise, I can't tell since I don't read it.

 

[Leoat12]

Slam Dunk ended abruptly. So Haikyuu could go even further. Popularity is not an issue here, Haikyuu is safe for years. Plotwise, I can't tell since I don't read it.

I wouldn't say abruptly, everything was solved in Slam Dunk, there was not plot holes IMO and I prefer the ending of a series before it gets repetitive. Haikyuu has a clear objective and by the recent development, it is not far from the solution, 2~3 years is more than enough to end the series.

 

[101nemesis]

I'm surprised so many think Black Clover will last that long :-/
It's still way too early to judge how it would do.

But the fact we will all die isn't a joke at all.

Welcome to life 101.

 

[Leoat12]

Updating Shokugeki no Soma sales situation, it didn't change much, the volumes are still around 110th and 180th... I think its boost will be more gradual and small than I'd thought... Meanwhile, Owari no Seraph has all volumes within top 50. It is gonna be the biggest success from Shueisha mangas adapted to anime this season, it seems..

Notice that Nisekoi did better than Shokugeki no Soma after first episode, it was above 100 at least IIRC.

 

[Mammo]

I'm surprised so many think Black Clover will last that long :-/
It's still way too early to judge how it would do.

I came here to say this

you sir deserve a giant cookie

 

[xAsum0x]

i have an unpopular opinion ( though i don't know why ) but i really like haihyuu better than BnH and i hope it sells a lot more by that time, but i haven't caught up to the manga yet so i'm a bit sad a lot of you ranked it a bit lower. any estimates as how long it may last ( judging by the manga itself and the life expectancy of sports manga ) ?

I'm pretty sure everyone agrees Haikyuu stomps on BnH in terms of quality and is already selling tons more. Nothing to worry about

 

[De La Croissant]

One is about sports and the other is about battle. There is no reason for comparisons. There is no competition. There is nothing to fear. Alls right with the world.

 

[Leoat12]

People say that there is no reason to compare different series, but isn't it what Jump readers do all the time while answering the questionaries? They have to make some kind of comparison to decide which series they are going to vote.

 

[SharkBait]

Updating Shokugeki no Soma sales situation, it didn't change much, the volumes are still around 110th and 180th... I think its boost will be more gradual and small than I'd thought... Meanwhile, Owari no Seraph has all volumes within top 50. It is gonna be the biggest success from Shueisha mangas adapted to anime this season, it seems..

Notice that Nisekoi did better than Shokugeki no Soma after first episode, it was above 100 at least IIRC.

Did they really consider that Nisekoi s2 ep1?
Nisekoi s2 fan episode 0 really caused folks to buy the manga?

 

[Leoat12]

Did they really consider that Nisekoi s2 ep1?
Nisekoi s2 fan episode 0 really caused folks to buy the manga?

I'm talking about the first season.
That special was great by the way.

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However, looking more closely now, starting from April 4th, Nisekoi old volumes started to appear in the top 500.
1st volume appeared at this date, 1st and 3rd in April 5th and in April 6th only the 9th volume is not appearing, 1st volume is in 329th position.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

I wouldn't say abruptly, everything was solved in Slam Dunk, there was not plot holes IMO and I prefer the ending of a series before it gets repetitive. Haikyuu has a clear objective and by the recent development, it is not far from the solution, 2~3 years is more than enough to end the series.

Not everything was solved. Inoue had already created a ton of new teams and new players and didn't used them. Also the fact that Sakuragi the main character growth in basketball stopped in the middle isn't something that can be called "solved".
Something not being solved by the end of the series isn't synonym of plot hole! So yes, Slam Dunk doesn't have any plot holes, but it doesn't solved everything.

What clear objective are you talking?
- Kageyama objective is being the best in the world
- Hinata objective is surpassing him in the world level.
- Sawamura and Karasuno objective was until 2 chapters ago, just going to the Spring Nationals. Now Sawamura set them for "winning the nationals", but as was said is obvious that if you go there you must go to win. So is not like their major objective is winning the nationals.

Then you have
- Yachi as a the main team manager.
- Ennoshita as the next year captain, and his improvement in defense.
- Datekou battle against Karasuno and with it the newbie setter(that if he manga ends as you say he just appeared to disappear), next year.
- Seijou new team, with 2nd year setter and Mad Dog, next year.
- The Shiratorizawa 1st year that wants to be ace, next year!
- 2 meter guy evolution, from a total amateur to ???
- Oikawa after Highschool. So College or Professional. And there he wants to fight against Ushijima Wakatoshi and Kageyama.
- Ushijima Wakatoshi already went to Japan sub-18. So increases the possibility of a world competition existence.
- Takeru and Hinata fixation to the Small Giant, that is right now in College or Professional.

There is still a lot of content that the series has to show. The author can just go and end the manga in the 1st year tournament and leave a lot of stuff behind, or he can just continue after that year and show more stuff, stuff that was already referenced and developed.

 

[Leoat12]

Right, throw all the spoilers here, people who haven't read yet will really enjoy it.
Of course, any sports manga can go until the Olympics, but normally it is not the case, because it becomes repetitive as I said before. The rest I would have to go to the series thread to answer.

As for Slam Dunk, it was more than clear to me why Inoue ended the series there. It would become repetitive from there on and he couldn't do a match better than that, which is primordial in sports manga: one match has to be better than the previous.

 

[Schabrak]

Not everything was solved. Inoue had already created a ton of new teams and new players and didn't used them. Also the fact that Sakuragi the main character growth in basketball stopped in the middle isn't something that can be called "solved".
Something not being solved by the end of the series isn't synonym of plot hole! So yes, Slam Dunk doesn't have any plot holes, but it doesn't solved everything.

Spoiler

What clear objective are you talking?
- Kageyama objective is being the best in the world
- Hinata objective is surpassing him in the world level.
- Sawamura and Karasuno objective was until 2 chapters ago, just going to the Spring Nationals. Now Sawamura set them for "winning the nationals", but as was said is obvious that if you go there you must go to win. So is not like their major objective is winning the nationals.

Then you have
- Yachi as a the main team manager.
- Ennoshita as the next year captain, and his improvement in defense.
- Datekou battle against Karasuno and with it the newbie setter(that if he manga ends as you say he just appeared to disappear), next year.
- Seijou new team, with 2nd year setter and Mad Dog, next year.
- The Shiratorizawa 1st year that wants to be ace, next year!
- 2 meter guy evolution, from a total amateur to ???
- Oikawa after Highschool. So College or Professional. And there he wants to fight against Ushijima Wakatoshi and Kageyama.
- Ushijima Wakatoshi already went to Japan sub-18. So increases the possibility of a world competition existence.
- Takeru and Hinata fixation to the Small Giant, that is right now in College or Professional.

There is still a lot of content that the series has to show. The author can just go and end the manga in the 1st year tournament and leave a lot of stuff behind, or he can just continue after that year and show more stuff, stuff that was already referenced and developed.

Two of the six main players stopped playing entirely. The whole dynamic and team was broken up after the ending, so yeah, it wouldn't be the same, they wouldn't be able to continue their success. It ended where it had to end.

 

[SharkBait]

Im glad BLack Clover is liked so much by viz commenters. People were so divided last round.

 

[De La Croissant]

People say that there is no reason to compare different series, but isn't it what Jump readers do all the time while answering the questionaries? They have to make some kind of comparison to decide which series they are going to vote.

Yep, I agree in part, but, if you are a japanese reader, you don't need to choose between One Piece and Hinomaru Zumou, you can vote on both.

 

[Drmke]

Two of the six main players stopped playing entirely. The whole dynamic and team was broken up after the ending, so yeah, it wouldn't be the same, they wouldn't be able to continue their success. It ended where it had to end.

No it didn't. Inoue chose to end it or the editors did or something. The break up of the team was how they chose to end it. You sound like the author had no choice but to write that particular part.

That said, I loved the ending, but it came kinda out of the blue. Doubt it was planned for years in advance or anything of that nature.

 

[Leoat12]

Inoue said that he could not do anything better than what he did, taking his words into consideartion, he didn't have choice, without diminish the quality of the series, of course. Make something half-assed just to continue the series anybody does. It is what we see more nowadays.

Yep, I agree in part, but, if you are a japanese reader, you don't need to choose between One Piece and Hinomaru Zumou, you can vote on both.

It depends, if the person just read three mangas, which is not reasonable, he could choose the three without problem. However, if it is more than this, he will have to compare. You can only vote to three series.

 

[Googlez_kun]

Im glad BLack Clover is liked so much by viz commenters. People were so divided last round.

I just realised why you write the second letter in Black in capital letters…