Discussion Ranking the Sins

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Yeah, I agree, the discussion is pointless. Merlin already said that Escabro was the strongest Sin. And since we are using the authors other works as a measure of series progression, in the authors oneshot, Owner of the Sun, the main character, Gawain (who looks like Escabro) slayed a demon dragon with a power strangely similar to Sunshine, which obviously means, at the end of the Nanatsu no Taizai, Escabro will destroy Mel in a battle since the oneshot ended like that. The sword he used to kill the demon dragon even had a face on it, similar to Rhitta. I don't know about you guys, but that's all the proof I need and you know what, it's more closely related to Nanatsu no Taizai because of the time period, which makes me doubly correct. Prove me right!

I wonder if Nakaba isn't setting up a confrontation between Escanor and Mel. I don't think the allusion made to his power is just there for show, maybe when they find Escanor he'll refuse to come back, and he and Mel will be forced to fight. Or it could be that he reacted to the news that Mel is a demon, especially if it turns out he's somehow related to the Goddesses. Would be interesting to see them fight, since they are definitely two of the strongest sins, which automatically places them above other holy knights.
The way Hendrickson calls him "Sir Escanor" means he respects him, what if of all the sins Escanor was the one who acted really like a knight? I don't think we've seen enough of him in the special to completely dismiss that.Also could be he fears his power, which isn't surprising. He did look tense while saying that.

 

[Livewire12]

I wonder if Nakaba isn't setting up a confrontation between Escanor and Mel. I don't think the allusion made to his power is just there for show, maybe when they find Escanor he'll refuse to come back, and he and Mel will be forced to fight.

Just asking but why exactly would Escanor refusing to come back lead to them fighting.

Meliodas can't make him help them if he doesn't want to.

IOr it could be that he reacted to the news that Mel is a demon, especially if it turns out he's somehow related to the Goddesses.

I don't really think he'd care too much( at least night escanor), Meliodas is one of the two people he respects the most in the world.

IWould be interesting to see them fight, since they are definitely two of the strongest sins, which automatically places them above other holy knights.

I think the sparring match idea makes the most sense.

Mel needs to get back in shape, and from the sounds of it he can go all out on escanor and not have to worry about him.

The way Hendrickson calls him "Sir Escanor" means he respects him, what if of all the sins Escanor was the one who acted really like a knight? I don't think we've seen enough of him in the special to completely dismiss that.Also could be he fears his power, which isn't surprising. He did look tense while saying that.

He just looked scared/nervous to me, although I guess you can argue he is respectful of escanor, because he's scared of him even though he's not there. I wouldn't be suprised if everyone's had a bad experience or two with day escanor considering his personality.

King is wary of him.
Diane is wary of him.
Hendrickson seems to be, or at least uncomfortable.
Dreyfus could have been to. He asked Meliodas if it was really ok for escanor to participate meaning worry or discomfort.

So far only Meliodas and merlin are comfortable with him.

Meliodas probably because he's plenty strong himself, and knows escanor is relatively harmless, and wouldn't go into day mode unless he had to.

Merlin simply because he probably fascinates her, because there is nobody else like him in the world(according to himself, and merlin seems to back him up on the statement).

 

[Demonspeed]

Just asking but why exactly would Escanor refusing to come back lead to them fighting.

Meliodas can't make him help them if he doesn't want to.

Meliodas is the leader, and according to the data book, he respects him a lot.

Pretty much a very solid theory.

Btw, reading the Byzel arc again, I still find the fact Ban wasn't able to regenerate against the fresh demon blooded Jericho very weird. That means even something way lower than the purgatory flames or sunshine would give him huge troubles. Or maybe Nabaka just screwed up, because Ban was stronger afterwards than red demon hendrickson

It was because of a technique related to time, it slowed down his regeneration.

 

[Holt]

I wonder if Nakaba isn't setting up a confrontation between Escanor and Mel. I don't think the allusion made to his power is just there for show, maybe when they find Escanor he'll refuse to come back, and he and Mel will be forced to fight.

Not sure about that but it could indeed happen. Escanor in day mode is obviously proud and might not be keen on taking orders or even listening in the first place but Merlin is with Mel so I doubt Escanor would object too much if at all.

Just asking but why exactly would Escanor refusing to come back lead to them fighting.

Meliodas can't make him help them if he doesn't want to.

Well Mel is the captain and the sins seem to respect him quite a great deal. Remember when Ban tried to kill him so the goddesses would revive Elaine? Mel simply had to give Ban a duty to do as a sin for the latter to drop the thing about killing for that period at least. I think I even remember a time when one said if it wasn't an order, they wouldn't do it. Seems Mel can offer for them to do something (which they can refuse) or order them to do something (which they probably can refuse but don't). Even if Escanor initially refuses, odds are Mel would just have to rephrase to get him to comply. Though to be fair, we don't know much about Escanor so he could be an exception.

Meliodas probably because he's plenty strong himself, and knows escanor is relatively harmless, and wouldn't go into day mode unless he had to.

Escanor's day mode isn't a 'choice'. It happens whether Escanor wants to or not.

 

[HereNThere]

I wonder if Nakaba isn't setting up a confrontation between Escanor and Mel. I don't think the allusion made to his power is just there for show, maybe when they find Escanor he'll refuse to come back, and he and Mel will be forced to fight. Or it could be that he reacted to the news that Mel is a demon, especially if it turns out he's somehow related to the Goddesses. Would be interesting to see them fight, since they are definitely two of the strongest sins, which automatically places them above other holy knights.
The way Hendrickson calls him "Sir Escanor" means he respects him, what if of all the sins Escanor was the one who acted really like a knight? I don't think we've seen enough of him in the special to completely dismiss that.Also could be he fears his power, which isn't surprising. He did look tense while saying that.

There is a definite juxtaposition going on with the two, or, moreso, between Escanor's abilities and Demon's in general. I don't think Escanor is going to refuse, especially since Merlin is going to be there. And Escanor might not care about the demon thing himself, but you bring up a good point. If Escanor is related to the Goddess clan somehow, I'm really curious if they can speak through him like they do through the horn?

I think it's both, the fact that he is a famous Knight and that he respects him. We've actually seen many people refer to the Sins as Sir or Lady. Hendrickson also referred to Ban as Sir Ban in Vampires of Edinburgh and Merlin as Lady Merlin in Chapter 124.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

There is a definite juxtaposition going on with the two, or, moreso, between Escanor's abilities and Demon's in general. I don't think Escanor is going to refuse, especially since Merlin is going to be there. And Escanor might not care about the demon thing himself, but you bring up a good point. If Escanor is related to the Goddess clan somehow, I'm really curious if they can speak through him like they do through the horn?

I think it's both, the fact that he is a famous Knight and that he respects him. We've actually seen many people refer to the Sins as Sir or Lady. Hendrickson also referred to Ban as Sir Ban in Vampires of Edinburgh and Merlin as Lady Merlin in Chapter 124.

Yeah I guess he's just back to his old self, now that he's not a demon anymore. I think at one point it would be interesting to see Mel and Escanor fight, because they're two of the strongest fighters in Britannia(Demons excluded). I'm not even sure Matrona comes close to Escanor or Mel, maybe King as the fairy king could. So right now I think the top 3 fighters in the Sins are Escanor, Mel (base form) and Merlin (she had 4710 while King has 4190). If King were to unlock his real power, like Mel seems to be suggesting, then he'd easily surpass Merlin, although the later could power up too.
I expect Diane after training to become more powerful, which means that right now the weakest sins are Ban and Gowther. Damn Ban really has some catching up to do.

 

[HereNThere]

Yeah I guess he's just back to his old self, now that he's not a demon anymore. I think at one point it would be interesting to see Mel and Escanor fight, because they're two of the strongest fighters in Britannia(Demons excluded). I'm not even sure Matrona comes close to Escanor or Mel, maybe King as the fairy king could. So right now I think the top 3 fighters in the Sins are Escanor, Mel (base form) and Merlin (she had 4710 while King has 4190). If King were to unlock his real power, like Mel seems to be suggesting, then he'd easily surpass Merlin, although the later could power up too.
I expect Diane after training to become more powerful, which means that right now the weakest sins are Ban and Gowther. Damn Ban really has some catching up to do.

Mel, Escanor, and the Demons are definitely the strongest combatants in Britannia currently. Matrona must be somewhat comparable to the Demons, by what amount, I'm not sure. Ban is a weird case. I think Physical Hunt will be a great asset for him, but his base form needs a good upgrade as well.

 

[Demonspeed]

I don't think I'll rank the Sins again until they catch up, I am more interested by Gowther and King's current strength at the moment. Instead of ranking their strength why not try ranking their Magics for once? I will start, of course I will not rank Merlin for now:

1.Invasion
2.Disaster
3.Snatch(could be higher)
4.Sunshine
5.Full Counter(could be higher but its utility is reduced when magics can't be reflected, when it's possible it's easily 1st or 2nd place IMO)
6.Creation(good ability but compared to the others it's not that good, it depends on the proficiency of the user I guess)

Mel, Escanor, and the Demons are definitely the strongest combatants in Britannia currently. Matrona must be somewhat comparable to the Demons, by what amount, I'm not sure. Ban is a weird case. I think Physical Hunt will be a great asset for him, but his base form needs a good upgrade as well.

Matrona was rivaling Galan and had to run away(though she was fighting two) while Meliodas wrecked him so Meliodas must be much stronger than her now.

Yeah I guess he's just back to his old self, now that he's not a demon anymore. I think at one point it would be interesting to see Mel and Escanor fight, because they're two of the strongest fighters in Britannia(Demons excluded). I'm not even sure Matrona comes close to Escanor or Mel, maybe King as the fairy king could. So right now I think the top 3 fighters in the Sins are Escanor, Mel (base form) and Merlin (she had 4710 while King has 4190). If King were to unlock his real power, like Mel seems to be suggesting, then he'd easily surpass Merlin, although the later could power up too.
I expect Diane after training to become more powerful, which means that right now the weakest sins are Ban and Gowther. Damn Ban really has some catching up to do.

As of now, the weakest are Ban, Diane and Merlin, either King or Gowther are in the top 3, they completed their training, we know how Diane will get stronger but I am really curious to know what Ban will do, he doesn't even have Courechouse.

 

[kkck]

Mel, Escanor, and the Demons are definitely the strongest combatants in Britannia currently. Matrona must be somewhat comparable to the Demons, by what amount, I'm not sure. Ban is a weird case. I think Physical Hunt will be a great asset for him, but his base form needs a good upgrade as well.

Well, matrona was said to be on par with the demons but so far it has been demons in their depowered state. Once the demons recover odds are that she simply won't be on the level. Which means that the demons will be able to do to her what mel did to gallan. Of course, she could be an asset if she is not fighting alone. Even if her power is about 26k it could make a huge difference if she has the right support.

As for the sins, I am thinking that eventually most of the sins will have a higher PL than base meliodas. Meliodas right now fought without resorting to his demon marking or power of darkness however the other demons presumably have that. It wouldn't even be weird if meliodas requires his demon marking to defeat at least some of the commandments. In that regard, we can easily make the case that the sins will need power higher than mel's base form to be able to fight some of the commandments.

 

[HereNThere]

As for the sins, I am thinking that eventually most of the sins will have a higher PL than base meliodas. Meliodas right now fought without resorting to his demon marking or power of darkness however the other demons presumably have that. It wouldn't even be weird if meliodas requires his demon marking to defeat at least some of the commandments. In that regard, we can easily make the case that the sins will need power higher than mel's base form to be able to fight some of the commandments.

Good point. The demons could either have the power of darkness or a true demonic form, which could dwarf Mel's base level, so the others will need greater power, or at least, some sort of secondary power source that will let them match the Commandments. Wow, thinking about it, the Sins really have an uphill battle. The Commandments have their Laws, they still need their magic, and then they still have the Power of Darkness to fall back on.

 

[Demonspeed]

Good point. The demons could either have the power of darkness or a true demonic form, which could dwarf Mel's base level, so the others will need greater power, or at least, some sort of secondary power source that will let them match the Commandments. Wow, thinking about it, the Sins really have an uphill battle. The Commandments have their Laws, they still need their magic, and then they still have the Power of Darkness to fall back on.

Darkness power is a racial ability though so I don't think it's that important for the comparisons, it's like Hellblaze .

 

[kkck]

Good point. The demons could either have the power of darkness or a true demonic form, which could dwarf Mel's base level, so the others will need greater power, or at least, some sort of secondary power source that will let them match the Commandments. Wow, thinking about it, the Sins really have an uphill battle. The Commandments have their Laws, they still need their magic, and then they still have the Power of Darkness to fall back on.

Well, the sins as far as we know have their own tricks. Escanor probably can handle the further powerups of the commandments as it is considering his power remains higher than mel's. King already fights using an outside source of power, the sacred tree, and on top of that he already combines it perfectly thanks to chastiefol. Then there is the true spear thing we saw. And whatever is going on with his wings. So... lots of powerups remaining for him. Diane has at least her gideon's ability left. I also wonder about her ability to change into other elements... I think that ability will be a bigger deal in the future. She should get quite a boost in strength if she changes into iron or diamond and uses her gideon for instance. mel has his demon powers, power of darkness and maybe even a properly demonic form as well so he already is pretty much on the same ground as the commandments.

Ban, gowther and merlin are sort of out there. Ban's immortality might not be much of a thing against the commandments considering their potential use of purgatory fire. Ban could actually die. Then again his snatch could perhaps overcome the difference between him and a demon pretty quickly. At least he should have his treasure's ability left to him... Gowther has an ability that does not require him to have insane PL. Its equally effective against weaker or stronger enemies. The issue here would be that he needs at least enough PL to not get instantly taken out by the enemy. He is also remarkably hard to kill as he is... Merlin might not need another boost. She has the widest skillset of the sins considering her sheer number of spells and her treasure's ability. If she gets a PL high enough then she probably won't need more than what she already has aside from raw power.

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Darkness power is a racial ability though so I don't think it's that important for the comparisons, it's like Hellblaze .

Well, it is something to consider as using it could result in the commandments getting dramatic increases to their power and it might make their base power irrelevant altogether. Hellblaze seems to be an enchantment and in that regard something that can be learned by others. The issue here would be the purgatory fire.

 

[HereNThere]

Well, the sins as far as we know have their own tricks. Escanor probably can handle the further powerups of the commandments as it is considering his power remains higher than mel's. King already fights using an outside source of power, the sacred tree, and on top of that he already combines it perfectly thanks to chastiefol. Then there is the true spear thing we saw. And whatever is going on with his wings. So... lots of powerups remaining for him. Diane has at least her gideon's ability left. I also wonder about her ability to change into other elements... I think that ability will be a bigger deal in the future. She should get quite a boost in strength if she changes into iron or diamond and uses her gideon for instance. mel has his demon powers, power of darkness and maybe even a properly demonic form as well so he already is pretty much on the same ground as the commandments.

Ban, gowther and merlin are sort of out there. Ban's immortality might not be much of a thing against the commandments considering their potential use of purgatory fire. Ban could actually die. Then again his snatch could perhaps overcome the difference between him and a demon pretty quickly. At least he should have his treasure's ability left to him... Gowther has an ability that does not require him to have insane PL. Its equally effective against weaker or stronger enemies. The issue here would be that he needs at least enough PL to not get instantly taken out by the enemy. He is also remarkably hard to kill as he is... Merlin might not need another boost. She has the widest skillset of the sins considering her sheer number of spells and her treasure's ability. If she gets a PL high enough then she probably won't need more than what she already has aside from raw power.

Their lack of Magic and potential Darkness power just makes it seem like their powers are going to be vast in comparison to the Sins at full strength, even with the power ups. King's Power ups need to quadruple the power he power he released with True Form Chastifol at the least. I wonder if Wings are that important to a Fairy's power level. I'm also curious about how the Sacred Tree is supposed to interact with the Fairy King.

Diane is...interesting. Matrona just seems to think that a change in mindset is all Diane needs to unlock her true power, which, given from what we've seen with Howzer and Gil, can actually have an influence on your power level. Will that be enough though? I think we need to more about the Dolor to see where Diane could take her Giant abilities.

Again, Ban is a super weird case. He has no apparent power up in store aside from his Sacred Treasure.

I think Gowther's power level rises when he isn't in his armor or taking any medicines, so I think once he gets his mania in check, he should be fine. Then he probably has a few upgrades in store.

Merlin probably does need a boost as Galan was able to physically react to her magic before she could cast it. She has some good spells, but I wonder if she has any good offensive spells that could actually help take down a Commandment.

 

[kkck]

Their lack of Magic and potential Darkness power just makes it seem like their powers are going to be vast in comparison to the Sins at full strength, even with the power ups. King's Power ups need to quadruple the power he power he released with True Form Chastifol at the least. I wonder if Wings are that important to a Fairy's power level. I'm also curious about how the Sacred Tree is supposed to interact with the Fairy King.

Diane is...interesting. Matrona just seems to think that a change in mindset is all Diane needs to unlock her true power, which, given from what we've seen with Howzer and Gil, can actually have an influence on your power level. Will that be enough though? I think we need to more about the Dolor to see where Diane could take her Giant abilities.

Again, Ban is a super weird case. He has no apparent power up in store aside from his Sacred Treasure.

I think Gowther's power level rises when he isn't in his armor or taking any medicines, so I think once he gets his mania in check, he should be fine. Then he probably has a few upgrades in store.

Merlin probably does need a boost as Galan was able to physically react to her magic before she could cast it. She has some good spells, but I wonder if she has any good offensive spells that could actually help take down a Commandment.

My point would be that at least a few of the sins have shown stuff which could overcome both things once they get their powerups. Even if the other commandments have the power of darkness its unlikely to be as strong as mel's with the exception of zeldris and perhaps estarosa.

King quadrupling the power he has displayed so far is by no means a stretch though. Mel so far only had a mere 10% of his true power for the most part. It's not like the other sins can do without at least such a severe increase in power from their starting points. If king gets to the 30k range and then adds all the other stuff he has going for him (true spear and wings if that is going to be a thing) then he should be pretty much set up. Perhaps for things even more dangerous than the commandments.

Diane I would argue is the one that has shown the least when it comes to what upgrades she could show in the future though. She only has her sacred treasure power so to speak. So unless she gets something new she will likely just have her PL boost and sacred treasure. In that regard ban has about as much as diane in store. I guess the issue is whether ban is training somehow.

We have no evidence of gowther's power increasing though. He has gone rampant so far but in turn he could barely handle a miniature diane. I am not sure of what could be in store for him...

Well, the effectiveness of her offensive spells would come down strictly to her PL.

 

[HereNThere]

Even if the other commandments have the power of darkness its unlikely to be as strong as mel's with the exception of zeldris and perhaps estarosa.

That's true.

King quadrupling the power he has displayed so far is by no means a stretch though. Mel so far only had a mere 10% of his true power for the most part. It's not like the other sins can do without at least such a severe increase in power from their starting points. If king gets to the 30k range and then adds all the other stuff he has going for him (true spear and wings if that is going to be a thing) then he should be pretty much set up. Perhaps for things even more dangerous than the commandments.

I know it's not a stretch, but I'm curious as to how it'll be shown. Like I said, I'm hoping for more information on how important a Fairy's Wings are to their power level. It'll be interesting to see all of the power ups applied to them. Mel got his rather easily, so to speak, but the others might have to put in a bit more work.

We have no evidence of gowther's power increasing though. He has gone rampant so far but in turn he could barely handle a miniature diane. I am not sure of what could be in store for him...

I'm just going by the name of the medication Merlin gave to Gowther, Power Stabilizing Medicine.

 

[kkck]

That's true.



I know it's not a stretch, but I'm curious as to how it'll be shown. Like I said, I'm hoping for more information on how important a Fairy's Wings are to their power level. It'll be interesting to see all of the power ups applied to them. Mel got his rather easily, so to speak, but the others might have to put in a bit more work.



I'm just going by the name of the medication Merlin gave to Gowther, Power Stabilizing Medicine.

I am not sure wings themselves would work as a powerup to fairies in general. I mean, literally every other living fairy we have seen has wings, its the default. With king the situation is a tad different and it context it would make sense that getting his wings would result in a powerup. Sort of like a very unique situation to king (and perhaps elaine if she ever gets revived).

Ahh, good call. But then again it would be weird if no one by now had noticed gowther's increasing PL. Not to mention the training he just went through. With that in mind probably the issue is his own power going rampant rather than his power increasing over time.

 

[HereNThere]

I am not sure wings themselves would work as a powerup to fairies in general. I mean, literally every other living fairy we have seen has wings, its the default. With king the situation is a tad different and it context it would make sense that getting his wings would result in a powerup. Sort of like a very unique situation to king (and perhaps elaine if she ever gets revived).

Ahh, good call. But then again it would be weird if no one by now had noticed gowther's increasing PL. Not to mention the training he just went through. With that in mind probably the issue is his own power going rampant rather than his power increasing over time.

I hope it's different enough that he gets some different looking wings. I really don't like the way the other Faeries wings look.

Well, he does have that band on, so it's possible that functions as a limiter as well. Everyone was knocked out when he tricked Galan, so it's possible no one sensed a growth in power from him.

 

[overlordpringerx]

I hope it's different enough that he gets some different looking wings. I really don't like the way the other Faeries wings look.

Well, he does have that band on, so it's possible that functions as a limiter as well. Everyone was knocked out when he tricked Galan, so it's possible no one sensed a growth in power from him.

Maybe he gets ghoul wings.

 

[Demonspeed]

What do you think of Ban's strength after his feats in the last chapters?

 

[overlordpringerx]

What do you think of Ban's strength after his feats in the last chapters?

I still wouldn't put him above King yet. Maybe above Diane. Meliodas, Ban and King are the most haxed of the sins. And Escanor is just broken.