Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2015-2016] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Stark700]

Black Clover CP:

Look at that passionate gaze he's giving Asta's buttocks.

 

[piau9000]

Ranking - VOL 44

1 - Assassination Classroom
2 - One Piece
3 - Food Wars
4 - My Hero Academia
5 - Hinomaru Zumou
6 - PSI Kusou Saiki
7 - Toriko
8 - Nisekoi
9 - Gintama
10 - Straighten Up
11 - Bleach
12 - Kochikame
13 - Kagamigami
14 - Best Blue





Average ranking of 2015 - VOL 44

Names in red means that the series ended or moved to another magazine.

One Piece - 1.64
Assassination Classroom - 1.93
My Hero Academia - 2.51
Haikyuu - 4.10
Food Wars - 4.16
Black Clover - 4.66
Hinomaru Zumou - 5.70
Straighten Up - 5.9
Toriko - 6.91
PSI Kusou Saiki - 7
Gintama - 7.02
Nisekoi - 8.68
World Trigger - 9.17
Kagamigami - 10.30
Hakkyuu Houtei - 11.15
Kochikame - 11.34
Bleach - 11.75
Ultra Battle Satellite - 11.9
Judos - 12
Takujou no Ageha - 12.33
Hi-Fi Cluster - 12.71
Best Blue - 13.25
Devily Man - 13.44
Cyborg Roggy - 13.5
E-Robot - 13.5
Sporting Salt - 13.5
Lady Justice - 14.22

 

[Chipp12]

Am I the only one who think that Samon-kun is totally a Kamiya HiroC character? (as in you just can't read his lines without hearing Kamiya Hiroshi voice in your head).

 

[WyldViolet]

If Straighten Up! continues to dip and gets cancelled I'm going to be very upset.
It's up there with Boku no Hero, Hinomaru Sumo, and now One Piece AGAIN FINALLY as my favorite weekly reads.

 

[conankudo]

By the way, Black Clover will get Center Colour in issue #45 as well. Two weeks in a row - not bad

 

[Avok]

That's because the third volume is around the corner. They are really pushing it.

Let's see how it does. First was 38k, second 68k (I think), so maybe 100k?

 

[Lehran]

The second volume sold 61K on its first week (the ranking covered 6 days of sales because it was released on a Tuesday).

A direct comparison between first week sales numbers for volumes 2 and 3 won't be possible because the October WSJ volumes will be released on a Saturday, then the Oricon ranking will cover only 2 days of sales, so all of them will have lower sales numbers than usual.

 

[piau9000]

That's because the third volume is around the corner. They are really pushing it.

Let's see how it does. First was 38k, second 68k (I think), so maybe 100k?

I've heard that first volume has already sold 100k.

 

[Soul Soul Brigade]

I just don't understand Black Clovers popularity, but oh well, probably just not a series for me. Even when I enjoy a chapter I just can't get excited about it.

 

[SharkBait]

I just don't understand Black Clovers popularity, but oh well, probably just not a series for me. Even when I enjoy a chapter I just can't get excited about it.

Whats there not to understand?

It is successful because it

1. has definitive character designs
2. has crisp fresh modern artwork
3. disrupts the fantasy genre by turning it on its head with a unique and gamechanging magick system
4. innovates by not having a typical cold blooded heartless rival filled with evil revenge thoughts
5. has masterful writing that streamlines storytelling by not focusing on pointless tangents that no one will care about ten chapters from now
6. has human and ever changing characters that are lovable and easy to embrace
7. has action that doesnt feel devoid of life and meaning
8. is an original story comparable to a Tolkien masterpiece

 

[jagman1x3]

Whats there not to understand?

It is successful because it

1. has definitive character designs
2. has crisp fresh modern artwork
3. disrupts the fantasy genre by turning it on its head with a unique and gamechanging magick system
4. innovates by not having a typical cold blooded heartless rival filled with evil revenge thoughts
5. has masterful writing that streamlines storytelling by not focusing on pointless tangents that no one will care about ten chapters from now
6. has human and ever changing characters that are lovable and easy to embrace
7. has action that doesnt fill devoid of life and meaning
8. is an original story comparable to a Tolkien masterpiece

I'm gonna go with 4 for my answer.

 

[Mammo]

I just don't understand Black Clovers popularity, but oh well, probably just not a series for me. Even when I enjoy a chapter I just can't get excited about it.

"a loser who suddenly posses a super power & easily defeats all bad guys, all the girls love him & all guys want to be him bla bla bla......"

isn't this the plot to 99% of all the popular light novels?

black clover is wish fulfillment fantasy for 9 years old kids

 

[Torca]

I'm gonna go with 4 for my answer.

Lol man, it's 8, definitely. Or is it multiple-choice question...?

 

[Mawara]

Whats there not to understand?

It is successful because it

1. has definitive character designs
2. has crisp fresh modern artwork
3. disrupts the fantasy genre by turning it on its head with a unique and gamechanging magick system
4. innovates by not having a typical cold blooded heartless rival filled with evil revenge thoughts
5. has masterful writing that streamlines storytelling by not focusing on pointless tangents that no one will care about ten chapters from now
6. has human and ever changing characters that are lovable and easy to embrace
7. has action that doesnt feel devoid of life and meaning
8. is an original story comparable to a Tolkien masterpiece

Well, I disagree about most of your arguments-
1. Well, is has its own artstyle, which also works with the characters. I guess, it is one of its strengths.
2. I dont really know, what 'crisp fresh modern artwork' means. I admit, I do like the art of the zombies, for example. If Tabata wants to draw something dark, it does look good.
3. Hahahaha... no. It's just a generic magic system, with the elements as its core. If you really want to read a game-changing magic system, when I recommend you to read 'Mistborn'. Allomancy actual is a game-changing magic system.
4. Well, this isnt that difficult, when everyone declares that they want to be Astas rival. It's impossible to describe them all with just one trope.
5. And yet we still got the whole gluttony-sequence of the cotton-mage.
6. Well, the witch and the necromancer are extremelly one-dimensional(& cliche). There are characters I do like, like Fuego Leon & Noelle, but that is still a far-fetched description.
7. Nothing really special.
8. We got 'the underdog wants to be the best of all'-story. That, and all the accusations to be too much like to Naruto/Fairy Tail arent very helpful, either. Admittedly I didnt read the Lord of the Rings books(just The Hobbit).

I dont want to say it's bad. It is just... OK. If it would be bad, then it would be cancelled already. And although most of its originally hate was very exaggerated, you could still see, where it came from. I still read it(I really like the artstyle), because I like Noelle, but until now, it wasnt really memorable.

 

[vampire killer]

I just don't understand Black Clovers popularity, but oh well, probably just not a series for me. Even when I enjoy a chapter I just can't get excited about it.

Its the only good manga in jump since 1996. What not to like about it??

 

[SharkBait]

Its the only good manga in jump since 1996. What not to like about it??

Nah jumps had a few good manga since then though, its best manga Reborn has deuted since then, then we cant forget Stealth Symphony too. Also not mentioning SketDan, Meister, and Beelzebub is unforgivable.

 

[Soul Soul Brigade]

Yeah, I realized that too. Black Clover should rename it self to "I Don't Have Any Magical Powers, But I Still Want to be the Wizard King, And my Grimoire contains a Demon." If Black Clover was called that it would be indistinguishable from a light novel.

 

[jagman1x3]

Yeah, I realized that too. Black Clover should rename it self to "I Don't Have Any Magical Powers, But I Still Want to be the Wizard King, And my Grimoire contains a Demon." If Black Clover was called that it would be indistinguishable from a light novel.

I think certain people would prefer "My Childhood Friend and Rival Can't Be This Cute."
But yeah, the plot is somehow more LN-y than a lot of LNs. Can't wait for the arc where he joins an all-girls school to learn how to better use his unique powers.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

Its the only good manga in jump since 1996. What not to like about it??

So you're saying that One Piece isn't good, right?

 

[SharkBait]

So you're saying that One Piece isn't good, right?

One piece violates the eights aspects detailed above. BLack Clover is original while One Piece isnt.