Conditional Erza vs DiMaria

[Orgastthemage]

Lmao you just can't back up your claims.



Tell me, is Erza a top tier on your opinion? Do you think Erza is as strong as Acnologia and Zeref? We're talking about Erza vs Di Maria. And yes, Di Maria has more impressive feats than Erza.



Actually, I think that Mira is quite stronger than Erza. I called them equal because they don't differ a lot. I think it's pretty funny you searched all the way down to find my ranking.



Lol. You call Di Maria's Take Over a 'random lame god' but you don't say that Mirajane is a 'random lame demon'? You're just overpowering every Fairy Tail member. We both know Mira took over a real demon and Di Maria took over a real god. Don't forget she is a Spriggan.



Uhm, when did I refer to Lucy and Juvia?



Because she would pierce him with her beams or defeat him directly with Age Scratch. What can Ajeel's Sand Magic do against a God?



Di Maria has a better attack power because she can attack someone while the opponent can't see the attack.

Di Maria is faster because.. well, she is faster than time?

Di Maria's beams would've killed Charle if Ultear didn't stop her time.

The beams pierced Wendy?



God Serena is just a title, please tell me you did know that..

Yakuma Eighteen God War Magic are just spells. Di Maria took over a real God.



I'm not surprised by your claims either.

You and me we see eye to eye man. Dimaria hands down.

 

[Mirage]

Without Age Seal, Dimaria's feats were really subpar. She can't take out an Erza tier without her hax.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Dimaria is seriously being overrated her. Ultear is here first off so DImaria ability to stop Erza time is Nullified so that is a non factor in this battle.

Dimaria nuke was tanked by Chelia and Wendy, so Erza who has already easily tanked stronger nukes such as Minerva nukes will easily tank Dimiaria 1 powerful nuke. Also Erza's reaction speed is too high to be hit by that Laser attack, especially when she can counter an attack even Makarov couldn't see. SHe doesn't need an armor to Dodge or tank Dimaria nukes. In CQC Erza has better feats then Dimira. Nakagami would one shot DImira easily. Thus this is a low difficulty battle for Erza.

Unless people have otherwise with legit feats I don't see Dimira without a ability to stop time giving Erza trouble whatsoever. Saying it took TO CHelia to defeat Dimira doesn't mean anything as there is no proof TO Chelia was stronger let alone as Strong as Erza Post or Pre SO. Their is a huge power difference between Chelia/Wendy and Erza.

No, I don't think Dimaria is being overrated at all. She would one-shot Erza if she had her time magic so restricting it only makes it quite even except the difference in power between Erza and Dimaria herself.

First of all, if there is any character that is not being fairly assessed here, it is Chelia. Is she strong? Not in my book. So why do people think Dimaria is weak after last chapter? Because she was defeated by Chelia, a medium tier mage.

Now the difference here is that Chelia is not just he normal self. She has Third Origin which is being severely underestimated if anything. If we think back, Second Origin allowed Team Natsu to achieve 7 years worth of catching up in training. I think the reason why SO is underwhelming for some is because Erza used it to defeat Minerva. Forget about that. Some PoF was involved, although not entirely. Third Origin obviously surpasses SO, even more than 7 years. Literally, the only reason why Chelia beat Dimaria was because of Third Origin. Did that part appeal to me? No. In fact, it was complete nonsense. It was so overpowered that Hiro Mashima had to put restrictions on it like losing your magic power after using it. Like I said before, people with hax magic are usually going to go down due to a clear weakness or PoF/hax magic involved. In this scenario, Dimaria lost her hax magic while Erza doesn't gain one like Chelia did. Erza is going to lose against a Spriggan.

Honestly, I don't know where you're getting the information from but since when did Wendy and Chelia tank Dimaria's attacks? I don't see Erza and Dimaria being too different in speed. Dimaria can fly and Erza can't. Armors like Erza's or Dimaria's has no major impact on a battle in Fairy Tail because it doesn't add much defense to a person's durability. There is no way we can say Erza has better CQC than Dimaria because Dimaria was able to match Kagura and Erza is really not too much stronger than her. Nakagami wouldn't necessarily kill Dimaria. Remember that Dimaria has strong durability, especially after being punched and unfazed by DF Wendy.

I already gave my explanation about TO. Now it is up to you to agree or disagree. If you want legit feats, I'll provide you some.

One of Wendy's stronger DF attacks did no damage to Dimaria. Same with DF Wendy's punch. At the same time, Wendy is hurt by Age Scratch.

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Wendy Immobilized by Dimaria's Beam

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Yes, there is a huge power difference between Wendy + Chelia and Erza. DF Wendy closes that gap quite a bit but not too much. Third Origin Chelia pretty much surpasses anything that Erza has besides Nakagami Starlight. Now, let's see Erza's feats. She is pretty strong especially for holding back Ajeel and making their battle a tie without Third Origin. However, she did receive help and still didn't defeat Ajeel like planned.

 

[iDooom]

Lmao you just can't back up your claims.

Tell me, is Erza a top tier on your opinion? Do you think Erza is as strong as Acnologia and Zeref? We're talking about Erza vs Di Maria. And yes, Di Maria has more impressive feats than Erza.

lol

Actually, I think that Mira is quite stronger than Erza. I called them equal because they don't differ a lot. I think it's pretty funny you searched all the way down to find my ranking.

Your ranking was too funny for me to forget. I think your rankings give a pretty accurate representation of how silly the rest of your claims are.

Mystogan, a near featless character from before the first timeskip who was hyped to be on the same level as pre-first timeskip Laxus and Erza > current Erza with SO and 1 year of training. And Mira, who is also near featless, > current Erza. Because logic.

Might as well say Erza is Max level while you're at it. And Dimaria >>>>>>> Erza negative diff. Because we all know that's what you want.

 

[Laxus chan-yo]

Erza's bizarrely otherworldly endurance feats make her laugh at Dimaria's pain attacks.

 

[Cosmicstar]

No, I don't think Dimaria is being overrated at all. She would one-shot Erza if she had her time magic so restricting it only makes it quite even except the difference in power between Erza and Dimaria herself.

First of all, if there is any character that is not being fairly assessed here, it is Chelia. Is she strong? Not in my book. So why do people think Dimaria is weak after last chapter? Because she was defeated by Chelia, a medium tier mage.

Now the difference here is that Chelia is not just he normal self. She has Third Origin which is being severely underestimated if anything. If we think back, Second Origin allowed Team Natsu to achieve 7 years worth of catching up in training. I think the reason why SO is underwhelming for some is because Erza used it to defeat Minerva. Forget about that. Some PoF was involved, although not entirely. Third Origin obviously surpasses SO, even more than 7 years. Literally, the only reason why Chelia beat Dimaria was because of Third Origin. Did that part appeal to me? No. In fact, it was complete nonsense. It was so overpowered that Hiro Mashima had to put restrictions on it like losing your magic power after using it. Like I said before, people with hax magic are usually going to go down due to a clear weakness or PoF/hax magic involved. In this scenario, Dimaria lost her hax magic while Erza doesn't gain one like Chelia did. Erza is going to lose against a Spriggan.

Honestly, I don't know where you're getting the information from but since when did Wendy and Chelia tank Dimaria's attacks? I don't see Erza and Dimaria being too different in speed. Dimaria can fly and Erza can't. Armors like Erza's or Dimaria's has no major impact on a battle in Fairy Tail because it doesn't add much defense to a person's durability. There is no way we can say Erza has better CQC than Dimaria because Dimaria was able to match Kagura and Erza is really not too much stronger than her. Nakagami wouldn't necessarily kill Dimaria. Remember that Dimaria has strong durability, especially after being punched and unfazed by DF Wendy.

I already gave my explanation about TO. Now it is up to you to agree or disagree. If you want legit feats, I'll provide you some.

One of Wendy's stronger DF attacks did no damage to Dimaria. Same with DF Wendy's punch. At the same time, Wendy is hurt by Age Scratch.

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Wendy Immobilized by Dimaria's Beam

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Yes, there is a huge power difference between Wendy + Chelia and Erza. DF Wendy closes that gap quite a bit but not too much. Third Origin Chelia pretty much surpasses anything that Erza has besides Nakagami Starlight. Now, let's see Erza's feats. She is pretty strong especially for holding back Ajeel and making their battle a tie without Third Origin. However, she did receive help and still didn't defeat Ajeel like planned.

Your post is based off the assumption that TO Chelia was as strong as Erza which she doesn't have the feats to back that up.

Dimira Nuke:

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Chelia and Wendy tanks it:

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Minerva's Nuke:

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Erza's condition:

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Erza pretty much destroys Dimiari with these conditions. Only way Dimira has hopes of beating Erza is if she was to use her time stop ability which in this case is restricted by Ultear.


TO Chelia isn't as powerful as Erza so I don't get where you are coming from. That is like saying SO Juvia could beat Tenrou island Erza. The only way TO Chelia would be comparable to Erza is if Chelia before TO was as strong as Tenrou island Erza which she wasn't. Unless you think Chelia could beat Kagura.

 

[Deus]

So much Erza wank. Dimaria can just fire a laser and cripple Erza, then fire a laser at her vital organs and Erza dies. Erza can't dodge the laser even with Flight Armor because TO Chelia Speed > Dimaria Speed > DF Wendy speed.

And I don't see Erza being faster than DF Wendy.

As for her durability and strength when she awakened solely there was a huge explosion. For her durability she took attacks from TO Chelia which is at least equal if not higher than Erza, it's prime Chelia. Also lets not forget Age Scratch. Erza is far older and has endured things 10x worse than anything Wendy has endured before. If Age Scratch crippled Wendy I can see Erza going unconcious from shock even.

So, Dimaria wins.

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Your post is based off the assumption that TO Chelia was as strong as Erza which she doesn't have the feats to back that up.

Dimira Nuke:

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Chelia and Wendy tanks it:

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Minerva's Nuke:

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Erza's condition:

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Erza pretty much destroys Dimiari with these conditions. Only way Dimira has hopes of beating Erza is if she was to use her time stop ability which in this case is restricted by Ultear.


TO Chelia isn't as powerful as Erza so I don't get where you are coming from. That is like saying SO Juvia could beat Tenrou island Erza. The only way TO Chelia would be comparable to Erza is if Chelia before TO was as strong as Tenrou island Erza which she wasn't. Unless you think Chelia could beat Kagura.

So are you saying that Minerva is stronger than Dimaria? The area of effect does not equal the strength being output. Erza can release the same amount of energy in the tip of her sword.

And comparing SO Juvia to TO Chelia is ridiculous. While SO is just a power up that was fodderized and had no point in Tartaros arc TO makes the user go in their PRIME state. The strongest they'll ever be.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Your post is based off the assumption that TO Chelia was as strong as Erza which she doesn't have the feats to back that up.

Dimira Nuke:

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Chelia and Wendy tanks it:

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Minerva's Nuke:

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Erza's condition:

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My argument is not based off of any assumptions. You have to re-read the context of the explanation regarding Third Origin and derive logic from it. Like I said, it is very overpowered although it may not seem like it. Really? That is a nuke? If you call that a nuke, then your argument is very weak. Dimaria was literally just powering up. It just so happens that she is immeasurably strong that it caused that big of an explosion.

Erza pretty much destroys Dimiari with these conditions. Only way Dimira has hopes of beating Erza is if she was to use her time stop ability which in this case is restricted by Ultear.

I honestly can't see what you're trying to prove here. It seems that both of their conditions are pretty even. If anything, Erza is in worse condition than Chelia by just looking at the clothing.

TO Chelia isn't as powerful as Erza so I don't get where you are coming from. That is like saying SO Juvia could beat Tenrou island Erza.

Now this is where I can definitely argue. Second Origin Juvia can indeed beat Tenrou Island Erza. We have Tenrou team who trained constantly for months in order to catch up with the other guilds of Fiore. We saw that Gray and Natsu were somewhat evenly matched with Rufus + Twin Dragons in GMG. This was after Second Origin. Using logic, they were obviously weaker than Sabertooth beforehand.

The only way TO Chelia would be comparable to Erza is if Chelia before TO was as strong as Tenrou island Erza which she wasn't. Unless you think Chelia could beat Kagura.

No, that doesn't make sense. Chelia was just as strong as Erza in Tenrou Island, then with TO, she wouldn't be comparable to Erza. She would be way greater.

 

[Brandish μ]

Dimaria can just fire a laser and cripple Erza, then fire a laser at her vital organs and Erza dies. Erza can't dodge the laser even

That laser would bounce off Erza the exact way it did Sherria.

Erza is far older and has endured things 10x worse than anything Wendy has endured before. If Age Scratch crippled Wendy I can see Erza going unconcious from shock even

Erza's mental toughness is beyond Wendy's.

You have to re-read the context of the explanation regarding Third Origin and derive logic from it

TO gives full potential, you can't derive that it puts Sherria above Erza. You need to assess how Sherria performed to derive that.

Second Origin Juvia can indeed beat Tenrou Island Erza

No. GMG Erza (pre-SO) = Tenrou Erza > GMG Juvia. GMG Erza and Kagura are around the same, while GMG Juvia is not Lyon level - someone that Kagura is superior to.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

That laser would bounce off Erza the exact way it did Sherria.

No, because Chelia had Third Origin... For the last time, it makes a big difference. That laser beam would have gone right through Chelia's Arm just like Wendy who was already in Dragon Force... So Erza without TO is just going to do the same.

Erza's mental toughness is beyond Wendy's.

Mental toughness would do nothing in this battle. Age Scratch is meant to weaken the opponent to the point that they are vulnerable to more attacks. Just like how Kyōka almost killed Erza while Dimaria used the laser beam after Wendy was injured.

TO gives full potential, you can't derive that it puts Sherria above Erza. You need to assess how Sherria performed to derive that.

I already did assess the situation if you read my post. I already explained the potential for TO. Nonetheless, Chelia's performance against Dimaria was extraordinarily different from Ajeel vs Erza. If anything, you guys would need to explain how Erza could possibly defeat Dimaria without any help like Jupiter Cannon. Saying one-shot, Nakagami Starlight, is not going to fly by considering she didn't even kill Ajeel but rather made it a stalemate.

No. GMG Erza (pre-SO) = Tenrou Erza > GMG Juvia. GMG Erza and Kagura are around the same, while GMG Juvia is not Lyon level - someone that Kagura is superior to.

Yeah, you're right here. My mistake.

 

[BluePegasus]

Might as well say Erza is Max level while you're at it. And Dimaria >>>>>>> Erza negative diff. Because we all know that's what you want.

This made me lol. You're the one who is overpowering any Fairy Tail mage over and over again. Di Maria would indeed >>>>> Erza, cause she'll pierce trough her heart with her beams. You haven't showed me any reason why Erza is stronger than Di Maria. Please tell me what she'd do against her beams and Age Scratch? Guess you're only making Erza win because she's from Fairy Tail.

 

[Cosmicstar]

So much Erza wank. Dimaria can just fire a laser and cripple Erza, then fire a laser at her vital organs and Erza dies. Erza can't dodge the laser even with Flight Armor because TO Chelia Speed > Dimaria Speed > DF Wendy speed.

And I don't see Erza being faster than DF Wendy.

As for her durability and strength when she awakened solely there was a huge explosion. For her durability she took attacks from TO Chelia which is at least equal if not higher than Erza, it's prime Chelia. Also lets not forget Age Scratch. Erza is far older and has endured things 10x worse than anything Wendy has endured before. If Age Scratch crippled Wendy I can see Erza going unconcious from shock even.

So, Dimaria wins.

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So are you saying that Minerva is stronger than Dimaria? The area of effect does not equal the strength being output. Erza can release the same amount of energy in the tip of her sword.

And comparing SO Juvia to TO Chelia is ridiculous. While SO is just a power up that was fodderized and had no point in Tartaros arc TO makes the user go in their PRIME state. The strongest they'll ever be.

A What evidence do you have to say Dimaria's nuke was stronger then Minerva's nuke? You also have no evidence to support that Third Origin CHelia is as powerful as Erza whatsoever. Also where did you get that Chelia speed was superior to Erza speed? You need to read the battle again in which the reason DF Wendy couldn't doge the laser was due to age scratch not because Wendy wasn't fast enough.

Age scratch would do the same thing Kyouka did to Erza in which case Erza was still able to fight.

You argument isn't really based on anything good. For Chelia to be Equal to or Superior to Erza base Chelia would have to have been as strong if not superior to Pre SO Erza. Are you suggesting that Chelia could have took down 100 monsters and defeated Kagura? Are you suggesting Chelia could beat Ikagura or Azuma?

 

[Brandish μ]

No, because Chelia had Third Origin... For the last time, it makes a big difference. That laser beam would have gone right through Chelia's Arm just like Wendy who was already in Dragon Force... So Erza without TO is just going to do the same.

TO only means Sherria is as strong as he ever will be. That doesn't mean she is above Erza in any way. I think it's unreasonable to compare Erza with DF Wendy, Erza is much above her.

Mental toughness would do nothing in this battle. Age Scratch is meant to weaken the opponent to the point that they are vulnerable to more attacks. Just like how Kyōka almost killed Erza while Dimaria used the laser beam after Wendy was injured.

Age Scratch gives immense pain, something I back Erza's mental toughness to push through.

I already did assess the situation if you read my post. I already explained the potential for TO. Nonetheless, Chelia's performance against Dimaria was extraordinarily different from Ajeel vs Erza. If anything, you guys would need to explain how Erza could possibly defeat Dimaria without any help like Jupiter Cannon. Saying one-shot, Nakagami Starlight, is not going to fly by considering she didn't even kill Ajeel but rather made it a stalemate.

I meant assess what Sherria did in the fight. Using reasoning like SO=7 years and therefore TO is greater than that doesn't explain anything, you can derive how strong she got by simply comparing pre-TO Sherria with TO Sherria. SO was more like 3 months training for FT members.

Erza has offence to hurt DiMaria, ie any weapon she has; in offence Erza has DiMaria covered. Erza matches her in speed. In CQC, DiMaria is basically even with TO-Sherria. Erza would be higher than that. DiMaria would probably be more of a tank than Erza but it's not by much, and I'd be very generous giving DiMaria = Ajeel in durability/endurance. And for this fight Erza doesn't have to contend with a hax that restricts her to 3 weapons, she doesn't have Marin interfering for a small time, she doesn't have to contend with anything close to the level of Sandworld, and she won't encounter anything as energy sapping as Ajeel's chokehold. Without Age Seal in effect, DiMaria is not beating Erza.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

TO only means Sherria is as strong as he ever will be. That doesn't mean she is above Erza in any way. I think it's unreasonable to compare Erza with DF Wendy, Erza is much above her.

Yeah, strong as she will ever be... You think the difference between Erza and Chelia is of that extent? That is pure denial.

Age Scratch gives immense pain, something I back Erza's mental toughness to push through.

Erza could barely compose herself when Kyōka took away her senses and inflicted pain on her. It took a long time before Erza could do anything. Not to mention, Kyōka was obviously toying around. On the other hand, Dimaria immediately proceeded to attack Wendy after using Age Scratch. I can't see how Erza will survive this.

I meant assess what Sherria did in the fight. Using reasoning like SO=7 years and therefore TO is greater than that doesn't explain anything, you can derive how strong she got by simply comparing pre-TO Sherria with TO Sherria. SO was more like 3 months training for FT members.

Well, it was 7 years of training based on the power gap between Max and Natsu. That is undeniable there. 3 months was just barely enough for them to train day and night with the exception of the Spa. The reasoning is quite logical. How can Third Origin be weaker than Second Origin? If you want to compare Pre-TO Chelia to TO Chelia, by all means go ahead. There is quite a noticable difference whether you believe it or not. If anything, it just supports my argument.

Erza has offence to hurt DiMaria, ie any weapon she has; in offence Erza has DiMaria covered. Erza matches her in speed. In CQC, DiMaria is basically even with TO-Sherria. Erza would be higher than that. DiMaria would probably be more of a tank than Erza but it's not by much, and I'd be very generous giving DiMaria = Ajeel in durability/endurance. And for this fight Erza doesn't have to contend with a hax that restricts her to 3 weapons, she doesn't have Marin interfering for a small time, she doesn't have to contend with anything close to the level of Sandworld, and she won't encounter anything as energy sapping as Ajeel's chokehold. Without Age Seal in effect, DiMaria is not beating Erza.

Sure, Erza has offense. So does Dimaria. I'm fine with saying they are even in speed. Now CQC is different. How does Erza have better CQC than TO Chelia? I mean if we compare Chelia vs Dimaria and Erza vs Ajeel, CQC was different by much. I'm pretty sure you're just looking at Chelia and ignoring the TO. Third Origin boosts all of Chelia's stats to her maximum level. Meanwhile, Erza is still the same as she is. To say that Dimaria has the same durability than Ajeel very ignorant, in my opinion.

We have Erza pulling off a basic attack, damaging Ajeel.

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Now we have a DF Wendy using an attack that did not even faze Dimaria. I would say this should be quite even in power.

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First of all, the interference by Marin was compensated for by the Jupiter Cannon. Second of all, every person has some sort of energy zapping obstacle. Anyone can pretty much choke their enemy but if not a chokehold, then maybe she high enough durability that Erza will waste her energy fighting her. Third, even though she does not have anything near the AoE of Sandworld, she still has attacks that are high in DC and deadly if hit by it. Lastly, having weapons restricted or unrestricted in this fight is useless. Her strongest attack so far which is Nakagami Starlight couldn't kill Ajeel. So anything else in her arsenal of weapons will be lower than that in damage.

 

[iDooom]

Yeah, strong as she will ever be... You think the difference between Erza and Chelia is of that extent? That is pure denial.

In GMG, non-SO Erza one-shots Chelia easily. If SO Erza were to stand in place doing nothing, Chelia would run out of MP before doing any damage to Erza. Alvarez Chelia would have difficulty or lose against Bluenote, whom Erza would no diff. This is the extent of the power gap between Erza and Chelia.

Erza could barely compose herself when Kyōka took away her senses and inflicted pain on her. It took a long time before Erza could do anything. Not to mention, Kyōka was obviously toying around. On the other hand, Dimaria immediately proceeded to attack Wendy after using Age Scratch. I can't see how Erza will survive this.

You're comparing Tartaros Erza to Dimaria. Erza has gotten stronger over the one year timeskip and there isn't much evidence that Age Scratch > Kyoka's curse. And Kyoka was using Etherious form, so she obviously wasn't toying around. And Erza endured it.

Well, it was 7 years of training based on the power gap between Max and Natsu. That is undeniable there. 3 months was just barely enough for them to train day and night with the exception of the Spa. The reasoning is quite logical. How can Third Origin be weaker than Second Origin? If you want to compare Pre-TO Chelia to TO Chelia, by all means go ahead. There is quite a noticable difference whether you believe it or not. If anything, it just supports my argument.

See above. Power gap between Erza and Chelia >> power gap between Natsu and Max.

Sure, Erza has offense. So does Dimaria. I'm fine with saying they are even in speed. Now CQC is different. How does Erza have better CQC than TO Chelia? I mean if we compare Chelia vs Dimaria and Erza vs Ajeel, CQC was different by much. I'm pretty sure you're just looking at Chelia and ignoring the TO. Third Origin boosts all of Chelia's stats to her maximum level. Meanwhile, Erza is still the same as she is. To say that Dimaria has the same durability than Ajeel very ignorant, in my opinion.

The simple answer is that Chelia's maximum < current Erza.

We have Erza pulling off a basic attack, damaging Ajeel.

Now we have a DF Wendy using an attack that did not even faze Dimaria. I would say this should be quite even in power. Also, I believe you once said named attacks are stronger.

First of all, the interference by Marin was compensated for by the Jupiter Cannon. Second of all, every person has some sort of energy zapping obstacle. Anyone can pretty much choke their enemy but if not a chokehold, then maybe she high enough durability that Erza will waste her energy fighting her. Third, even though she does not have anything near the AoE of Sandworld, she still has attacks that are high in DC and deadly if hit by it. Lastly, having weapons restricted or unrestricted in this fight is useless. Her strongest attack so far which is Nakagami Starlight couldn't kill Ajeel. So anything else in her arsenal of weapons will be lower than that in damage.

From feats, Ajeel > Dimaria (without age seal) and Erza > DF Wendy. So Erza's casual attacks would do damage and Nakagami Starlight would finish Dimaria. Ajeel not dying is because this is Fairy Tail, not because Erza was incapable of killing him. Also, named attacks are not necessarily stronger.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

In GMG, non-SO Erza one-shots Chelia easily. If SO Erza were to stand in place doing nothing, Chelia would run out of MP before doing any damage to Erza. Alvarez Chelia would have difficulty or lose against Bluenote, whom Erza would no diff. This is the extent of the power gap between Erza and Chelia.

No, those are all opinions. Here are facts. DF Wendy who is not too far from Erza, literally, didn't even scratch Dimaria. TO Chelia, not only deflected the same beam that pierced Wendy, but also destroyed Dimaria in one-shot. Plus, I'm not using GMG feats. We're talking about as of last chapter. Who said Alvarez Chelia would lose against Bluenote? She struggled. Why? Because she doesn't have Third Origin. For the last time, Chelia is no where near Erza's level. Erza would have no difficulty against Bluenote? That is pure speculation.

You're comparing Tartaros Erza to Dimaria. Erza has gotten stronger over the one year timeskip and there isn't much evidence that Age Scratch > Kyoka's curse. And Kyoka was using Etherious form, so she obviously wasn't toying around. And Erza endured it.

This is where denial comes in. I am not comparing Tartaros Erza to Dimaria. That would be a one-shot, no difficulty. This is so absurd but I'll explain it. First, Etherious Kyōka is no where near Spriggan level. So if you just think proportionally, the power gap between Tartaros Erza and Current Erza is less than Etherious Kyōka and Dimaria. I can be lenient and say that it is the same but in the end, it would still not back-up your theory. I do have evidence that Age Scratch > Kyōka's curse. This is so absurd but I'll reverse the question on you. Who is stronger? Tartaros Mard Geer or Alvarez Ajeel? You can even answer this question, Tartaros Mard Geer or Alvarez Dimaria?

See above. Power gap between Erza and Chelia >> power gap between Natsu and Max.

Really? Max is fodder. And he is being compared to one of Fairy Tail's strongest, Natsu. Meanwhile, Chelia who is stronger than Wendy is compared to Erza who is most likely weaker than Natsu. The gap is pretty clear here. The words in Red and Blue is the Power Gap.

• Max < Wendy
• Chelia > Wendy
• Chelia < Erza
• Erza < Natsu

The simple answer is that Chelia's maximum < current Erza.

This is not what the feats show. Chelia's Maximum < Erza's Maximum? Yes.

From feats, Ajeel > Dimaria (without age seal) and Erza > DF Wendy. So Erza's casual attacks would do damage and Nakagami Starlight would finish Dimaria. Ajeel not dying is because this is Fairy Tail, not because Erza was incapable of killing him. Also, named attacks are not necessarily stronger.

That is funny. Almost everyone here is contradicting themselves. I remember the comments "Ajeel is the weakest Spriggan", "Dimaria is so strong, she beats most of the other Spriggans", etc. I guess now we're going back on our words. So no characters have died in Fairy Tail? Read the last 400+ chapters. Also, Erza was incapable of killing him because she literally fell and collapsed after using Nakagami Starlight as it zapped all her energy.

 

[Brandish μ]

Yeah, strong as she will ever be... You think the difference between Erza and Chelia is of that extent? That is pure denial.

You're talking DF Wendy here right? Yes, there is a gap in ability there. DF Wendy would get beaten by Erza rather easily. DF Wendy is probably GMG DF Sting level, max level I give it is base Natsu(GMG) Edit: I might be underrating DF Wendy here, but she's simply nowhere near Erza level. If you're talking TO-Sherria I have Erza better than her, but it's not a huge gap.

Erza could barely compose herself when Kyōka took away her senses and inflicted pain on her. It took a long time before Erza could do anything. Not to mention, Kyōka was obviously toying around. On the other hand, Dimaria immediately proceeded to attack Wendy after using Age Scratch. I can't see how Erza will survive this.

There isn't any senses being robbed with Age Scratch. It's pure pain, and Erza can pull through it. Nothing else happens physically or magically. Can't see someone dying from pain, maybe passing out, but I'm not a Dr.

Well, it was 7 years of training based on the power gap between Max and Natsu. That is undeniable there. 3 months was just barely enough for them to train day and night with the exception of the Spa. The reasoning is quite logical. How can Third Origin be weaker than Second Origin? If you want to compare Pre-TO Chelia to TO Chelia, by all means go ahead. There is quite a noticable difference whether you believe it or not. If anything, it just supports my argument.

No, it's 3 months training. Gajeel (and everyone who went to the GMG) trained for 3 months. Natsu went to the spirit world and lost 3 months time, but then received the SO power up. At the GMG, Gajeel and Natsu were about the same. In Phantom Lord Arc, Natsu is slightly ahead of Gajeel. So, SO = 3 months training. Gajeel is a much better comparison than Max...

No one said anything about SO > TO. TO as a power up is relative. For Sherria it's a big deal, for her TO > SO. For someone like Laxus, TO would be useless. He's likely at his prime. Erza could be close to her prime too. TO also has a harsh consequence.

Yes the difference is noticeable, that much is clear. Doesn't mean TO allows Sherria to be better than Erza.

Sure, Erza has offense. So does Dimaria. I'm fine with saying they are even in speed. Now CQC is different. How does Erza have better CQC than TO Chelia? I mean if we compare Chelia vs Dimaria and Erza vs Ajeel, CQC was different by much. I'm pretty sure you're just looking at Chelia and ignoring the TO. Third Origin boosts all of Chelia's stats to her maximum level. Meanwhile, Erza is still the same as she is. To say that Dimaria has the same durability than Ajeel very ignorant, in my opinion.

Erza is better than most people at CQC, she only fights in CQC. Sherria/DiMaria's little CQC bout was certainly not impressive enough to say they're on Erza's level in CQC. Ajeel has better CQC than DiMaria.

Yes I am definitely looking at Sherria and not considering TO. Why? Because the panels will show exactly what TO does - you literally see her full potential. Put simply Sherria's maximums aren't as high as current Erza's stats.

@DF Wendy kick v Erza slash...
DF Wendy's kick would be weaker than a regular punch from Natsu, ie the same one that sent Ajeel hurdling. Ajeel smiled at that punch. But he got cut from Erza's swords. Even if that logic doesn't hold, DF Wendy's kick being compared to a sword slash from Erza is kinda ridiculous.

Being cut from a sword (particularly if Erza is doing the cutting) is something I would expect even if the person had great durability. It's basically MP concentrated over a very small area (width of the blade). Zeref, Acnologia and Wahl(?) would be the only characters I expect can take a slash for not have damage.

 

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You're talking DF Wendy here right? Yes, there is a gap in ability there. DF Wendy would get beaten by Erza rather easily. DF Wendy is probably GMG DF Sting level, max level I give it is base Natsu(GMG) Edit: I might be underrating DF Wendy here, but she's simply nowhere near Erza level. If you're talking TO-Sherria I have Erza better than her, but it's not a huge gap.

Yeah, I'm talking about DF Alvarez Wendy. However, I disagree that she is on GMG DF Sting's level. GMG DF Sting is on the same level as half of GMG Base Natsu. To think a person of that level would beat Dimaria is like asking for a one-shot chapter. GMG Base Natsu is also way too far behind and underrating Wendy a lot. LFD Natsu can take on Etherious Tempesta. That means Base Natsu should be able to defeat Etherious Ezel. We already saw DF Wendy defeat Etherious Ezel and this was before the timeskip.

There isn't any senses being robbed with Age Scratch. It's pure pain, and Erza can pull through it. Nothing else happens physically or magically. Can't see someone dying from pain, maybe passing out, but I'm not a Dr.

Yeah, when I was talking about Kyōka taking away her senses, I was referring to the first confrontation, not the battle. Even so, as I mentioned earlier, pure pain won't be used to kill Erza but make her susceptible enough for a following attack. Just like what happened to Wendy.

No, it's 3 months training. Gajeel (and everyone who went to the GMG) trained for 3 months. Natsu went to the spirit world and lost 3 months time, but then received the SO power up. At the GMG, Gajeel and Natsu were about the same. In Phantom Lord Arc, Natsu is slightly ahead of Gajeel. So, SO = 3 months training. Gajeel is a much better comparison than Max...

Well, it was technically 7 years of training relative to all guilds in Fiore. It was 3 months of rushing to train for the Tenrou Team and that is just to catch up provided they trained all day. I mean you can even decrease it to 5 days if you want... It just means less time for other stuff like sleeping, eating, etc.

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No one said anything about SO > TO. TO as a power up is relative. For Sherria it's a big deal, for her TO > SO. For someone like Laxus, TO would be useless. He's likely at his prime. Erza could be close to her prime too. TO also has a harsh consequence.


Yes the difference is noticeable, that much is clear. Doesn't mean TO allows Sherria to be better than Erza.

I don't know how we can say who is close to their prime and who is not. Honestly, if they are close to their prime, Laxus and Erza will be fodders against Acnologia just like God Serena. Unless they have improvement, I don't even know how FT stands a chance against him. Chelia at her prime and being stronger than Erza actually makes sense. And yes, TO has a harsh consequence which was used to prevent Chelia from being overpowered for the rest of the arc.

Erza is better than most people at CQC, she only fights in CQC. Sherria/DiMaria's little CQC bout was certainly not impressive enough to say they're on Erza's level in CQC. Ajeel has better CQC than DiMaria.

Well the fact, is Chelia was able to fight hand-to-hand combat on the same level of Dimaria. Also considering that Dimaria matched Kagura in CQC, TO Chelia can be compared to both of them. On the other hand, I think Ajeel is not quite there. He even got slashed by Erza for not being quick enough to dodge. Ajeel solely relies on intangibility.

Yes I am definitely looking at Sherria and not considering TO. Why? Because the panels will show exactly what TO does - you literally see her full potential. Put simply Sherria's maximums aren't as high as current Erza's stats.

I guess we just disagree here then. To me, I see Dimaria and Ajeel very similar in performance, without Dimaria's time magic of course. With time magic, Dimaria is OP and can just kill Ajeel. That means that Erza who can't win against someone like Ajeel, probably won't defeat Dimaria.

@DF Wendy kick v Erza slash...
DF Wendy's kick would be weaker than a regular punch from Natsu, ie the same one that sent Ajeel hurdling. Ajeel smiled at that punch. But he got cut from Erza's swords. Even if that logic doesn't hold, DF Wendy's kick being compared to a sword slash from Erza is kinda ridiculous.

Being cut from a sword (particularly if Erza is doing the cutting) is something I would expect even if the person had great durability. It's basically MP concentrated over a very small area (width of the blade). Zeref, Acnologia and Wahl(?) would be the only characters I expect can take a slash for not have damage.

Oh, my bad. Thank you for replying. I just realized I accidentally posted the wrong picture in the process of trying to display Wendy's attack. I will fix it.

 

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No, those are all opinions. Here are facts. DF Wendy who is not too far from Erza, literally, didn't even scratch Dimaria.

DF Wendy being "not too far from Erza" = not a fact. Literally.

TO Chelia, not only deflected the same beam that pierced Wendy, but also destroyed Dimaria in one-shot. Plus, I'm not using GMG feats. We're talking about as of last chapter. Who said Alvarez Chelia would lose against Bluenote? She struggled. Why? Because she doesn't have Third Origin. For the last time, Chelia is no where near Erza's level. Erza would have no difficulty against Bluenote? That is pure speculation.

You asked if Erza was above Chelia to the extent that Chelia at her maximum potential < Erza. I said yes, and gave evidence.

Based on Erza's performance against Ajeel and the Neinhart knight, yes, Erza would no diff Bluenote. In fact, GMG Erza can probably beat Bluenote with Nakagami Starlight. Putting current Erza far enough above Alvarez Chelia that TO would not be enough to close the gap. If Chelia is nowhere near Erza's level, then Dimaria, who didn't significantly injure base Chelia can't be that strong.

This is where denial comes in. I am not comparing Tartaros Erza to Dimaria. That would be a one-shot, no difficulty. This is so absurd but I'll explain it. First, Etherious Kyōka is no where near Spriggan level. So if you just think proportionally, the power gap between Tartaros Erza and Current Erza is less than Etherious Kyōka and Dimaria. I can be lenient and say that it is the same but in the end, it would still not back-up your theory. I do have evidence that Age Scratch > Kyōka's curse. This is so absurd but I'll reverse the question on you. Who is stronger? Tartaros Mard Geer or Alvarez Ajeel? You can even answer this question, Tartaros Mard Geer or Alvarez Dimaria?

No, you are comparing Dimaria to Tartaros Erza when you say that Erza couldn't handle Kyoka's curse and that Age Scratch would do the same. Prove that the power gap between Kyoka and Dimaria > Erza's improvement. You cannot assume that Dimaria > Erza to show that Dimaria > Erza.

Really? Max is fodder. And he is being compared to one of Fairy Tail's strongest, Natsu. Meanwhile, Chelia who is stronger than Wendy is compared to Erza who is most likely weaker than Natsu. The gap is pretty clear here. The words in Red and Blue is the Power Gap.

• Max < Wendy
• Chelia > Wendy
• Chelia < Erza
• Erza < Natsu

You did this wrong. In Tenrou, GMG, and Tartaros the ranking would be (in Red and Blue):
Wendy >= Max (base Wendy isn't much of a fighter)
Chelia >= Wendy (almost equal as seen in GMG fight)
Natsu > Chelia (Natsu is quite a bit stronger than base Wendy)
Erza > Natsu (1.5 to 2 times difference as seen in Tartaros stats)
Erza >> Chelia (from the above two statements)

If you think that base/LFD Natsu is stronger than Erza in GMG or Tartaros, you are wrong. Tenrou Erza one-shots Tenrou Natsu and Tartaros Erza is about 1.5 to 2 times as strong as Tartaros Natsu. This has been demonstrated in many fights and is supported by the Tartaros stat cards.

Max isn't as weak as you think he is. He's not as strong as Natsu and he doesn't get a lot of panel time, but he's not tiers below Wendy. Hence, the gap between Erza and Chelia > the gap between Natsu and Max. And here you are using GMG feats you complained about above.

This is not what the feats show. Chelia's Maximum < Erza's Maximum? Yes.

But also, Chelia's maximum < current Erza. You admit that base Chelia is nowhere near Erza level. This means you have to provide conclusive evidence if you want to claim that TO Chelia > Erza.

That is funny. Almost everyone here is contradicting themselves. I remember the comments "Ajeel is the weakest Spriggan", "Dimaria is so strong, she beats most of the other Spriggans", etc. I guess now we're going back on our words. So no characters have died in Fairy Tail? Read the last 400+ chapters. Also, Erza was incapable of killing him because she literally fell and collapsed after using Nakagami Starlight as it zapped all her energy.

"Ajeel is the weakest Spriggan" was a baseless claim made by those (not me) who wanted to downplay Erza. Dimaria being considered the strongest Spriggan by some is due to her time stop ability, which is restricted. Dimaria's physical stats have never been enough to put her near the strongest Spriggan. Are you also saying that DF Natsu was incapable of killing Jellal in TOH and Zero in OS arc, and that Natsu couldn't kill current Bluenote? Zeref's statement implied that Ajeel wasn't dead because the Fairy Tail guild doesn't usually kill people. Even if they can.

 

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What actually did erza shown in this arc that you guys said that she's stronger than TO chelia? I see nothing.