May I ask why Zancrow would be more of a threat than Hades?
A roar from Natsu (base) should take out Hades (without Devil Heart), Zancrow and Jackal. Bluenote is vastly superior to Zancrow and Jackal, while Hades would be superior. If Hades can tank Natsu's roar, he'd be left quite injured and easily defeated after that. If Laxus nukes, then I'd say that'd be as effective as Natsu's roar. I'm assuming that Natsu and Laxus use these moves straight off the bat, given that there are so many summons + a powerhouse like Hades it's better to use higher AoE spells.
Because Fire Dragon Slaying Magic may not work on Zancrow as he is a Fire God Slayer.
But didn't Natsu and Zancrow's last fight prove that the Dragon Slaying Magic can surpass that weakness?
In that way Natsu can defeat Zancrow.
Even in Base state Natsu is Mid tier Spriggan level.Hades is not Spriggan level,he may come near it.So Natsu in his Base state will defeat mid difficulty.
If the anime fight was filler, then Tempesta got smashed by Laxus in the only fight they ever had. No way was Tempesta on Laxus' level in actual combat.
It only takes the power of Tenrou Island LFD to take down Hades, something which both current Natsu and Laxus have far surpassed. Without his Heart, Hades won't be able to recover from any attack stronger than LFD roar. We saw Franmalth use Hades power in the Tartarus arc. Natsu would oneshot Zancrow. He oneshotted Bluenote, who is without a doubt superior to Zancrow. The attack that took out Zancrow was Dragon God's Brilliant Flame. All Natsu would need to do to take out Zancrow is generate an attack stronger than that one. Any LFD attack from Tartarus arc would have done the trick, let alone any FDK spell. God Slayers are not immune to damage done by dragon slayers, seeing that dragon slayers like Wendy was able to damage God Slayers like Chelia with her attacks.
Yeah you're actually right. I readed the fight again and Laxus indeed overpowered Tempesta. I thought the fight was somewhat longer.
Natsu never soloed Hades, so how can you say he surpasses him with LFD?
Lmao. A God War isn't a real God, it's just a spell. And, Di Maria >>> Wahl.
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Why do you think this?
So we agree that simply adding Tempesta to the mix wouldn't be a huge factor?
No, it would be a huge factor. Tempesta can spam his attacks at Laxus while he is in battle with Hades.
Hades took a lot damage before Natsu defeated him with his final spell. Natsu just can't oneshot Hades, just like he can't oneshot a Spriggan.
We saw Zancrow taking Natsu's flames with ease, while Wendy did damage to Chelia with every attack she fired at her (even though she healed herself after). You shouldn't compare Zancrow with Natsu. Zancrow didn't take his flames because he is a God Slayer, but because fire isn't very effective against him.
'Tiny' amount? No, it did a lot damage to Jacob, which is a fact. Plus Lucy helped him multiple times with disabling Jacob's spells. Natsu would've died if he had fought Jacob on his own, try to face it.
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Nope, you're wrong. Di Maria is better in combat because her lazer beams surpasses any spell from Wahl. She'll just pierce Laxus or Natsu with it.
Let's be real here. If Laxus can casually manhandle Tempesta before the 1 year timeskip, then Laxus can just send a casual lightning bolt like the one he sent against Ajeel to oneshot Tempesta. August deemed that attack to be potentially lethal to someone like Ajeel. Actually, Laxus can potentially send that nuke at Hades, and take out Tempesta just with the cross fire.
I will like to point out two or three things:-
You want me to be real? Fine. Hades can oneshot Laxus with Grimoire Law while Tempesta sits at a far away distance and watches. You forget every feat Hades and Tempesta showed us. This is just as easy to say as saying Laxus would one shot someone with his lightning attack. Since Laxus will fight multiple opponents, they'll have an advantage.
Was Hades ever oneshotted? No. Did Natsu took Hades down on his own? No. I don't really get your point here.I'm not talking about after the Heart was destroyed. That was after Natsu exhausted all the MP that Laxus gave him, and then the Tenrou Tree restored his own MP. I'm talking about the LFD roar that knocked Hades down. The only reason Hades got back up after this attack was because of his Devil's Heart. Once it was destroyed, attacks far weaker than the LFD roar was able to put him down.
Zancrow will just eat Natsu's attacks.
Hades his Bullet Magic is different than Jacob's knives. His bullets won't melt, since it's a type of magic.
Because Hades has higher intelligence than Jacob. There were so many ways Jacob could've avoid his defeat, so I'm quite sure Hades WILL find a way to avoid it.
Oh no? I can find a lot of ways how Jacob could defeat Natsu in a solo fight. He could use Transport or he could camouflage himself and kill Natsu somehow. Jacob's magic is really hax. If there wasn't Light Magic (Leo) and Spatial Magic (Marin) included there is no way that Natsu could've survived a fight against Jacob. Natsu's spells may be strong enough to take down a Spriggan, but there are a lot of feats Natsu doesn't have.The NaLu kick did a tiny amount at best. In fact, I would say no damage at all if it weren't for the slight scratches on his face. Jacob didn't even lose his composure. Yes, Natsu would have lost to Jacob if Lucy wasn't there, but that's only because Jacob can clap and teleport him away. If it was a straight up battle, then Natsu would have beaten Jacob soundly. Jacob has nothing in his arsenal that could put down Natsu. Natsu's body heat alone can burn up Jacob - potentially breaking his concentration enough to pull him out of stealth, and all Natsu would need is one clean hit with demolition fist.
I can ask the opposite to you.
Does Laxus have a spell which contains a barrier? Laxus' defense isn't that good.
Hades isn't oneshotting Laxus with Grimoire Law. Laxus can just counter it with Fairy Law. I haven't forgotten any feats that Hades or Tempesta has showed us. Laxus feats are simply better. He has taken out opponents stronger than Hades by now, and he has personally stomped Tempesta before.
In that case, Hades will counter Laxus' attacks with his spells.
True. But I never said Hades and Tempesta are stronger than him. What I'm trying to say is that Hades won't defeat Hades and Tempesta together.
It does because this means Natsu can't solo Hades. Anyway, Natsu could defeat Hades so Jackal and Zancrow will defeat Natsu while he is tired of his fight against him.
Good, he'll defeat Zancrow so Hades could cast Grimoire Law in the meantime.Zancrow has about as much of a chance trying to eat Natsu's demolition fist as he does trying to eat the fires from one of these punches.
To be honest, Demolition Fist is overkill. I'm willing to bet the punch he threw against Bakyll would be enough to take down Zancrow.
Leo used it once, but it saved both Natsu and Lucy.
There are many ways to kill someone. By your logic, Natsu is immortal thanks to his body heat.
Jacob is kinda immune to attacks when he is invisible.
It's never mentioned that Laxus created Jutsu Shiki by himself. He only activated it, which means Freed cast it. Or do you think Laxus completely possesses such a difficult magic as Dark Écriture?
None of Hades spells are really on par with Laxus'. A casual lightning bolt was capable of scattering Sands of Death, something hyped to be able to finish off Makarov. Makarov managed to at least block A-100 with his 3 pillar gods. A casual nuke from Laxus would have done significant damage to Ajeel. Tenrou Laxus had enough power to fuel LFD Natsu, whom overpowered Hades. Current Laxus can probably fight a Spriggan before dealing with Hades.
Then tell me which spell from Laxus is stronger than Fairy Law.
Yes, Natsu can solo him. But he can't one shot him. I never disagreed with the fact that Alvarez Natsu could defeat Hades. But he can't defeat Hades, Zancrow and Jackal together.
The stigma from Sting stayed at Natsu's body for a long time. Hades' Bullet Magic will hit him directly, Natsu can't just burn all his bullets down. If he could, he was immune to every type of magic.
Than it would be a combo attack from Zancrow's and Jackal's strongest attacks.
Good. Natsu would deal with Jackal and receive some damage so Hades can use Grimoire Law.
But if Jacob can teleport Natsu then why do you still believe he could defeat Jacob?
He saved them from Jacob's attack.
