Team Fairy Tail Top Tiers vs. Spriggans

[Axiomus]

Then tell me which spell from Laxus is stronger than Fairy Law.



Yes, Natsu can solo him. But he can't one shot him. I never disagreed with the fact that Alvarez Natsu could defeat Hades. But he can't defeat Hades, Zancrow and Jackal together.



The stigma from Sting stayed at Natsu's body for a long time. Hades' Bullet Magic will hit him directly, Natsu can't just burn all his bullets down. If he could, he was immune to every type of magic.



Than it would be a combo attack from Zancrow's and Jackal's strongest attacks.



Good. Natsu would deal with Jackal and receive some damage so Hades can use Grimoire Law.



But if Jacob can teleport Natsu then why do you still believe he could defeat Jacob?

Anyway, there is no proof Jacob would burn from Natsu's aura when he is invisible. Jacob's magic isn't invisibilty, it's Stealth.



He saved them from Jacob's attack.

Red lightning, nuke that he threw at Ajeel. Any attack that would fall a Spriggan really, I would consider above Fairy Law. Also, I'm talking about Hades. Other than Grimoire Law and Fairy Law, none of Hades other spells are on par with Laxus' other spells. Hades is not going to casually match Laxus' nukes or out punch his city-scaled fists.

Natsu doesn't have to oneshot Hades. Even if burning the magic can't be done, burning the bullets isn't really necessary. I'm pretty sure Natsu can tank them by now. What makes you think a combo from Jackal and Zancrow's strongest attacks will take out Natsu? Also, regarding Jackal...He'll only get damaged if he forgets to eat the explosion or if he tries to punch him.

I never said that Jacob couldn't win just by teleporting Natsu. I'm saying in a fight, Natsu is stronger. Jacob's stealth makes him invisible, silences his footsteps, and masks his sense. As Lucy said, he still has a physical form - they just can't see him.

Jacob still landed attacks on Natsu and Lucy. What makes you think the one attack Loke interferred with was going to be the one attack that kills (both?) Natsu and Lucy? Jacob was landing hits on them both before and after.

 

[BluePegasus]

Red lightning, nuke that he threw at Ajeel. Any attack that would fall a Spriggan really, I would consider above Fairy Law. Also, I'm talking about Hades. Other than Grimoire Law and Fairy Law, none of Hades other spells are on par with Laxus' other spells. Hades is not going to casually match Laxus' nukes or out punch his city-scaled fists.

Fairy Law is far more destructive and powerful than Red Lightning. Laxus could've defeated Wahl with Fairy Law without a doubt, if he had time to cast it.

Natsu doesn't have to oneshot Hades. Even if burning the magic can't be done, burning the bullets isn't really necessary. I'm pretty sure Natsu can tank them by now. What makes you think a combo from Jackal and Zancrow's strongest attacks will take out Natsu? Also, regarding Jackal...He'll only get damaged if he forgets to eat the explosion or if he tries to punch him.

Of course Bullet Magic won't take down Natsu, Hades could just spam it while he is attacking someone else. If Jackal's and Zancrow's combo attack isn't enough, they'll repeat their spells over and over again. Natsu already lost when he is focused on one of his three opponents.

I never said that Jacob couldn't win just by teleporting Natsu. I'm saying in a fight, Natsu is stronger. Jacob's stealth makes him invisible, silences his footsteps, and masks his sense. As Lucy said, he still has a physical form - they just can't see him.

But then the fight would be unfair since Jacob can't go all out. We can only say that Natsu is Spriggan tier if he could solo a Spriggan.

Jacob still landed attacks on Natsu and Lucy. What makes you think the one attack Loke interferred with was going to be the one attack that kills (both?) Natsu and Lucy? Jacob was landing hits on them both before and after.

Yeah you're quite right. But the attacks Jacob used against Natsu and Lucy were just pathetic, he should've killed them when he had the chance. Well, that only shows how low his intelligence is.

 

[Axiomus]

Fairy Law is far more destructive and powerful than Red Lightning. Laxus could've defeated Wahl with Fairy Law without a doubt, if he had time to cast it.



Of course Bullet Magic won't take down Natsu, Hades could just spam it while he is attacking someone else. If Jackal's and Zancrow's combo attack isn't enough, they'll repeat their spells over and over again. Natsu already lost when he is focused on one of his three opponents.



But then the fight would be unfair since Jacob can't go all out. We can only say that Natsu is Spriggan tier if he could solo a Spriggan.



Yeah you're quite right. But the attacks Jacob used against Natsu and Lucy were just pathetic, he should've killed them when he had the chance. Well, that only shows how low his intelligence is.

Then Laxus would have just cast it against Wahl instead of sneaking up on him. In fact, he probably could have taken out the entire Southern Spriggans. Until Fairy Law has been shown to work against the Spriggans and those around that level, we shouldn't assume it would work.

What makes you think Natsu wouldn't just focus his attacks on Hades and just take whatever Zancrow and Jackal cares to throw at him. Once Hades is down, Zancrow and Jackal are easy picking. Why can't Jackal go all out? He's free to try to hit Natsu, but the only way he'll be able to do any lasting damage is if Natsu forgets to eat the explosion and doesn't care enough to roar at Jackal. Natsu may not be a Spriggan level in terms of how much MP he has in his tank, but the output he has with his probably higher than any of the Spriggans attacks.

There's no doubt that Jacob would probably be more effective as an assassin. I don't even doubt that he can probably teleport Natsu away and/or kill him in his sleep. But if we're talking about fist-to-cuffs, Natsu is the better fighter.

 

[BluePegasus]

Then Laxus would have just cast it against Wahl instead of sneaking up on him. In fact, he probably could have taken out the entire Southern Spriggans. Until Fairy Law has been shown to work against the Spriggans and those around that level, we shouldn't assume it would work.

Fairy Law won't help him to take down the whole southern battle field. It would destroy the village where Laxus and Wahl fought at least. Laxus could've defeated Wahl with Fairy Law, yes. But there wasn't any part in the battle when he had time to cast it.

What makes you think Natsu wouldn't just focus his attacks on Hades and just take whatever Zancrow and Jackal cares to throw at him. Once Hades is down, Zancrow and Jackal are easy picking. Why can't Jackal go all out? He's free to try to hit Natsu, but the only way he'll be able to do any lasting damage is if Natsu forgets to eat the explosion and doesn't care enough to roar at Jackal. Natsu may not be a Spriggan level in terms of how much MP he has in his tank, but the output he has with his probably higher than any of the Spriggans attacks.

If Natsu is trying to defeat Hades, he'll lose his attention at Zancrow and Jackal. Then they could fire a lot of attacks at him which won't even give him a chance to fight back. A 3 vs. 1 is just to hard for him, especially when the three mages are skilled.

There's no doubt that Jacob would probably be more effective as an assassin. I don't even doubt that he can probably teleport Natsu away and/or kill him in his sleep. But if we're talking about fist-to-cuffs, Natsu is the better fighter.

I don't think so. Stealth is too difficult to handle for Natsu, since his intelligence is quite low.

 

[Axiomus]

Fairy Law won't help him to take down the whole southern battle field. It would destroy the village where Laxus and Wahl fought at least. Laxus could've defeated Wahl with Fairy Law, yes. But there wasn't any part in the battle when he had time to cast it.



If Natsu is trying to defeat Hades, he'll lose his attention at Zancrow and Jackal. Then they could fire a lot of attacks at him which won't even give him a chance to fight back. A 3 vs. 1 is just to hard for him, especially when the three mages are skilled.



I don't think so. Stealth is too difficult to handle for Natsu, since his intelligence is quite low.

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Laxus and Wahl fought in Hargeon Port, the same place where all the other battles are taking place. Well, Dimaria is at the outskirts.Fairy Law wouldn't destroy any property either. It just targets anything the user deems as an enemy. Laxus has no vendetta against the buildings in that town. Laxus had the element of surprise against Wahl. He could have just as easily cast it when before punching Wahl in the back.

Natsu would only need 1-2 hits to take out Hades. Jackal and Zancrow would need several hits to take out Natsu, assuming they can even manage to approach him.

Stealth wouldn't help Natsu since his body heat can effect an area the size of Lake Sciliora. Jacob's weapons would melt, and he wouldn't be able to melee Natsu.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Actually, Azuma made an exception for Erza and allowed her to be at full power in order to save her friends.

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I didn't force anything on you nor do I want to. Call me whatever name you want, I'm not here to argue. I already asked you a question in which you couldn't give me an answer that made sense to you. There is really nothing more for you to fight about unless you want to admit that you went back on your words.



I'm glad you now know what cheap shot means. Nothing there supports your definition, only mine. The point still stands. Laxus should not have won the fight. The only reason you think I downplay Laxus is because you are overly biased. That is why you feel the need to blow up whenever someone mentions something about a character you disagree with. By the way, I give Laxus credit when he deserves it. You just ignore that and focus on the things you dislike.

So this debate is all because someone quoted you? I'm the one who quoted + flamed at another user because of difference in opinions? You need to check your posts first before criticizing others.

You just proved my point ven more then. Laxus was handicapped in his match while Erza was fine, keep digging your own grave.

You quoted me multiple times telling me I was wrong in a situation which you really didn't need to , yeah you try to force your opinion onto me. My answer made sense to me, are you telling me what does and doesn't make sense, you're the one who started making excuses like Laxus shouldn't have even had the red lightning.

It doesn't you said Laxus cheap shotted Wahl, going by the definition I posted by NO MEANS DID HE CHEAP SHOT HIM, I didn't help you at all. Laxus should of and did win the fight.


Look at you being all sensitive now. Don't try and be a smartass next time.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

You just proved my point ven more then. Laxus was handicapped in his match while Erza was fine, keep digging your own grave.

You quoted me multiple times telling me I was wrong in a situation which you really didn't need to , yeah you try to force your opinion onto me. My answer made sense to me, are you telling me what does and doesn't make sense, you're the one who started making excuses like Laxus shouldn't have even had the red lightning.

It doesn't you said Laxus cheap shotted Wahl, going by the definition I posted by NO MEANS DID HE CHEAP SHOT HIM, I didn't help you at all. Laxus should of and did win the fight.


Look at you being all sensitive now. Don't try and be a smartass next time.

I told you were wrong? No, I just asked a question. I never even forced anything on you. You're taking the offense and trying to push it on me. If your answer makes sense to you, that is great. But you have nothing else to help prove your point which is why others may not find it logical. I didn't even come close to proving your point. You keep denying the obvious.

 

[Crimson Ice]

I told you were wrong? No, I just asked a question. I never even forced anything on you. You're taking the offense and trying to push it on me. If your answer makes sense to you, that is great. But you have nothing else to help prove your point which is why others may not find it logical. I didn't even come close to proving your point. You keep denying the obvious.

You tried to force your opinion on my and tried to be a smartass. I proved my point with the Mercury Fulminate and you flat out ignored it, like I said the manga explained it with the scientific element, you're denying what te manga spelled out to you and now you're crying that your argument has fallen through.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

You tried to force your opinion on my and tried to be a smartass. I proved my point with the Mercury Fulminate and you flat out ignored it, like I said the manga explained it with the scientific element, you're denying what te manga spelled out to you and now you're crying that your argument has fallen through.

No, I didn't. You forced my opinion on yourself. The manga explained it, I agree. But not from a logical, scientific reasoning. So, although I didn't deny what the manga said, I disagree with the logic of it which is what I'm debating.

 

[Crimson Ice]

No, I didn't. You forced my opinion on yourself. The manga explained it, I agree. But not from a logical, scientific reasoning. So, although I didn't deny what the manga said, I disagree with the logic of it which is what I'm debating.

No, you tried to force YOUR OPINION ON ME. You quoted me, I didn't try to do anything, don't act like a damn child now just repeating what I said. Mercury Fulminate is explosive...........You essentially disagreed with the manga's logic just because you didn't want Laxus to beat Wahl, that's it. You're wrong but you still deny it.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

No, you tried to force YOUR OPINION ON ME. You quoted me, I didn't try to do anything, don't act like a damn child now just repeating what I said. Mercury Fulminate is explosive...........You essentially disagreed with the manga's logic just because you didn't want Laxus to beat Wahl, that's it. You're wrong but you still deny it.

Just because I quote you doesn't mean I forced anything on you. If that were true, you shouldn't even be on forums or you will get opinions forced on you. Just look at how many times you were quoted. It's not that I didn't want Laxus to beat Wahl but the way it happened, didn't make sense so that is why I wasn't very fond of it. Yes, I dismiss it as a PoF or Nakama feat but I have evidence to back it up as well as my own reasoning.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Just because I quote you doesn't mean I forced anything on you. If that were true, you shouldn't even be on forums or you will get opinions forced on you. Just look at how many times you were quoted. It's not that I didn't want Laxus to beat Wahl but the way it happened, didn't make sense so that is why I wasn't very fond of it. Yes, I dismiss it as a PoF or Nakama feat but I have evidence to back it up as well as my own reasoning.

It did when you came at me and now you're literally trying to repeat the same thing I said back to you like a petty little child. You don't have shit to back up anything, Lauxs used a brand new attack it's not an asspull of PoF he literally spent a year training, again you dismiss because it hurts you soo much that Laxus won fair and square. At best the move was really convenient.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

It did when you came at me and now you're literally trying to repeat the same thing I said back to you like a petty little child. You don't have shit to back up anything, Lauxs used a brand new attack it's not an asspull of PoF he literally spent a year training, again you dismiss because it hurts you soo much that Laxus won fair and square. At best the move was really convenient.

I acknowledge the fact that Laxus got stronger. That doesn't mean his attack made sense. Overall, Laxus' attacks were more effective than 1 year ago, but the whole "Red Lightning" attack was powered by PoF and Namaka Power. Was it strong? Yes, but to one-shot Wahl like that was a little pushing it.

 

[BluePegasus]

Since we've seen Neinhart's magic, Historia of Corpses, I think he'll kinda have the upper hand against most of the strongest Fairy Tail members. Based of the opponents everyone faced, I think their fights will go like this:

Hades & Tempesta > Laxus (high diff)
It's true that Laxus managed to defeat Hades pretty easily in the last chapter. Firstly, Hades didn't go all out. I know he has more in store for Laxus than he showed, like Grimoire Law and Amaterasu. Secondly, I don't think he could take down both Hades and Tempesta. In my opinion Tempesta is underestimated. Yes, he was oneshotted. But he was oneshotted by a Devil Slayer which is super effective against demons. Laxus can solo Hades. Laxus can solo Tempesta. But he can't win against them together.

Mard Geer, Hades, Zancrow, Franmalth & Jackal > Natsu (easy diff)
Natsu faced a lot of powerful opponents and to me it seems impossible that he could defeat all of them in one fight.

Torafuza > Gajeel (medium diff)
Torafuza was stronger than Gajeel in the Tartaros arc and he still is. His magic is pretty hax and he won't live long in his Black Water without Levy's help. He will give a good fight before he dies though.

Mirajane > Azuma & Seilah (high diff)
Mirajane is already equal with Seilah thanks to her Seilah Soul. I don't know how a fight between them will go but I'm sure Mira surpassed her. Mira was about to destroy Azuma in Tenrou arc so he won't be that hard of a deal.

Silver & Ur > Gray (high diff)
Gray can solo Ur in DeS form, but he can't take Ur and Silver on together. Silver is already equal with Gray.

As for Gildarts, I don't know. But I'm pretty sure he faced a lot of powerful opponents during his SS-Class quests.

 

[Laxus chan-yo]

Just lol at Hades and Tempesta beating Laxus. Laxus was almost dead and he beat Hades without trouble. Tempesta well probably be defeated from the side effects of Laxus's attacks at this point. Healthy Laxus' stomps both of them NO diff then he goes to oneshot Ninehart NO diff.

 

[BluePegasus]

Just lol at Hades and Tempesta beating Laxus. Laxus was almost dead and he beat Hades without trouble. Tempesta well probably be defeated from the side effects of Laxus's attacks at this point. Healthy Laxus' stomps both of them NO diff then he goes to oneshot Ninehart NO diff.

Hmm you're really overrating Laxus now. It's true that Laxus wasn't in his best state, but Hades showed nothing of his true power in his fight against Laxus in last chapter. Laxus can defeat Hades, no doubt. But Hades and Tempesta together is too much to handle for him.

 

[Laxus chan-yo]

Tempesta got two shotted by Laxus 1 year ago before Laxus trained. He won't make any difference now.

 

[BluePegasus]

Tempesta got two shotted by Laxus 1 year ago before Laxus trained. He won't make any difference now.

And what if Hades casts Grimoire Law at him in the time he battles Tempesta?

 

[Laxus chan-yo]

In the one second it will take? He has Fairy Law of his own.

 

[BluePegasus]

In the one second it will take? He has Fairy Law of his own.

Then Tempesta will attack him while he casts Fairy Law. And so on.