Team Fairy Tail Top Tiers vs. Spriggans

[Azurwrath]

So by your logic, Erza is stronger than Mira because she is a main character?

It doesn't matter if Erza has more fights than Mira.

You can't compare Erza vs. Azuma and Mirajane vs. Azuma with each other, because this fight was really unfair for Mirajane. She was in a bad condition and had a time limit. She had to many restrictions while Erza hadn't.

Mirajane never lost against Seilah.

Erza did not won against Ajeel, which is a fact. If Jupiter didn't hit him, Erza would've been killed which means she would've lost. Jupiter was the reason why Ajeel was defeated. And I don't care about the final Nakagami Starlight blow, it wasn't needed imo.

You're just underrating Mirajane and giving Erza to much credit she didn't deserve.

That just proves one more time that you don't understand how Mashima is trying to rank his characters.

 

[Aizen]

So by your logic, Erza is stronger than Mira because she is a main character?

It doesn't matter if Erza has more fights than Mira.

You can't compare Erza vs. Azuma and Mirajane vs. Azuma with each other, because this fight was really unfair for Mirajane. She was in a bad condition and had a time limit. She had to many restrictions while Erza hadn't.

Mirajane never lost against Seilah.

Erza did not won against Ajeel, which is a fact. If Jupiter didn't hit him, Erza would've been killed which means she would've lost. Jupiter was the reason why Ajeel was defeated. And I don't care about the final Nakagami Starlight blow, it wasn't needed imo.

You're just underrating Mirajane and giving Erza to much credit she didn't deserve.

No i said very clearly i believe based on portrayal that they are on par with each other whether one is slightly stronger than the other is up to the imagination. I mentioned when comparing Erza's fight with Azuma and Mira's with Azuma that Mira's was indeed inconclusive not sure what your point is there. Mira in terms of power did lose to Seilah easily as her strongest Satan soul form was 2 shotted she did however use her unique connection to demons to use Macro for her self to bring Elfman in to finish the fight. i have mentioned many a time that Erza would have lost to Ajeel had it not been for Jupiter but it was also her quick thinking that allowed for Bisca to see her through the sandstorm, As far as whether Nakagami armor was necessary it indeed was apparently because Mashima showed her using it which means it's a fact that he felt and wanted her to deal final blow. i have had a few discussions now about Mira vs Erza and this is the second time someone has said that i am giving too much credit to Erza, Yet i see no feats for Mira that suggest her to be more powerful than Erza, For you to make a case that Mira is clearly not just on par with Erza but stronger than her i think you need to provide feats that support that, All i am saying it that i believe them to be on par and by portrayal i believe that is exactly what Mashima is intending.

 

[Crimson Ice]

I'm not the one who asked another user what manga they were reading just because both opinions didn't agree. That is a straight up insult especially since this is a place for a manga discussion about Fairy Tail. So we obviously read it. Don't play dumb with me. Just because you fanboy over a character doesn't make your viewpoint "right". Erza's fight and Laxus' fight were literally almost the same as far as how they defeated their opponent, so that is complete bias right there.

I never tried to prove you wrong. I asked you a legitimate question about how you thought the fight made sense because you didn't consider Laxus' win as a cheap shot. You immediately took offense and told me that my definition of cheap shot was incorrect, while still not providing any reason for how Laxus beat Wahl. I already told you that if you don't like my definition of cheap shot, then use your own definition, but you still couldn't give me an answer. Instead, you were so fixated on coming up with insults that you decided to go back on your words and make up random excuses just to protect Laxus, like you have been doing all along.

How is that relevant to you quoting me? You quoted me, you came at me and then when you get proven wrong you start complaining about why I revisit this. I'm not a fanboy you're just a dumbass trying to be a smartass and now you're mad. Laxus vs Wahl and Erza vs Azuma are not even close to being the same. Erza was unhandicapped and got tossed around the WHOLE FIGHT. Laxus is literally shown fighting on par with Wahl, never losing ground until Laxus' illness literally prevents him from moving, Laxus overpowers him at the end because he gets rid of the illness hindering while Erza had nothing holding her back. Like I said. THE FIGHTS ARE NOT COMPARABLE.

You ask me a question and when I replied you tried to force your opinion on me, yup you tried to prove me wrong. Yes you tried to tell me his won on a cheap shot when you were completely using the word wrong, don't get mad at me because you tried to expand your vocabulary and failed. I provided the reason why about his lightning and the mercury fulminate reacting with his body. You tried to discredit Laxus' win by saying he won by PoF and cheap shotting when you don't even know what both of those things mean. When I brought up the fulminate you started making excuse saying things like Laxus should have that in his arsenal. Go cry me a river.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

How is that relevant to you quoting me? You quoted me, you came at me and then when you get proven wrong you start complaining about why I revisit this. I'm not a fanboy you're just a dumbass trying to be a smartass and now you're mad. Laxus vs Wahl and Erza vs Azuma are not even close to being the same. Erza was unhandicapped and got tossed around the WHOLE FIGHT. Laxus is literally shown fighting on par with Wahl, never losing ground until Laxus' illness literally prevents him from moving, Laxus overpowers him at the end because he gets rid of the illness hindering while Erza had nothing holding her back. Like I said. THE FIGHTS ARE NOT COMPARABLE.

You ask me a question and when I replied you tried to force your opinion on me, yup you tried to prove me wrong. Yes you tried to tell me his won on a cheap shot when you were completely using the word wrong, don't get mad at me because you tried to expand your vocabulary and failed. I provided the reason why about his lightning and the mercury fulminate reacting with his body. You tried to discredit Laxus' win by saying he won by PoF and cheap shotting when you don't even know what both of those things mean. When I brought up the fulminate you started making excuse saying things like Laxus should have that in his arsenal. Go cry me a river.

You are in denial, that is why you see the two fights differently. The amount that Erza struggled against Azuma is pretty much similar to that of Laxus and Wahl.

I never forced anyone. You took the offense because you couldn't find enough evidence to support your claim. Don't act like you're innocent, especially after insulting others. I asked you about your illogical reasoning and you realized you were wrong so you had to change the subject into an English Vocabulary debate... Not to mention, I provided you with definitions, none of which you could counter, so again, you're denying it. Now if that isn't desperate... Please, what do I gain from discrediting a character? All I did was ask for a simple reason in which you gave me an answer that you didn't understand yourself.

 

[Arjuna]

No i said very clearly i believe based on portrayal that they are on par with each other whether one is slightly stronger than the other is up to the imagination. I mentioned when comparing Erza's fight with Azuma and Mira's with Azuma that Mira's was indeed inconclusive not sure what your point is there. Mira in terms of power did lose to Seilah easily as her strongest Satan soul form was 2 shotted she did however use her unique connection to demons to use Macro for her self to bring Elfman in to finish the fight. i have mentioned many a time that Erza would have lost to Ajeel had it not been for Jupiter but it was also her quick thinking that allowed for Bisca to see her through the sandstorm, As far as whether Nakagami armor was necessary it indeed was apparently because Mashima showed her using it which means it's a fact that he felt and wanted her to deal final blow. i have had a few discussions now about Mira vs Erza and this is the second time someone has said that i am giving too much credit to Erza, Yet i see no feats for Mira that suggest her to be more powerful than Erza, For you to make a case that Mira is clearly not just on par with Erza but stronger than her i think you need to provide feats that support that, All i am saying it that i believe them to be on par and by portrayal i believe that is exactly what Mashima is intending.

One thing you should add.Kyoka's Powerlevel was 2700 and Sayla's was 2000.Sayla Two Shotted Mirajane and she reverted back to her human form and quickly fell to the ground.On the other han Erza Soloed Kyouka.

 

[Aizen]

One thing you should add.Kyoka's Powerlevel was 2700 and Sayla's was 2000.Sayla Two Shotted Mirajane and she reverted back to her human form and quickly fell to the ground.On the other han Erza Soloed Kyouka.

Yeah thanks for adding that in there i just thought everyone kinda knew that Seilah was weaker than Kyoka but i should have added that.

 

[BluePegasus]

One thing you should add.Kyoka's Powerlevel was 2700 and Sayla's was 2000.Sayla Two Shotted Mirajane and she reverted back to her human form and quickly fell to the ground.On the other han Erza Soloed Kyouka.

Yeah and she won with PoF. If Mira would've used PoF, she would definetely one shot Seilah.

 

[Aizen]

Yeah and she won with PoF. If Mira would've used PoF, she would definetely one shot Seilah.

Perhaps but as far as stats go she still would have beaten the weaker fighter.

 

[Azurwrath]

Yeah and she won with PoF. If Mira would've used PoF, she would definetely one shot Seilah.

Aaannnnd mira won with PoF aswell (power of family) face the facts right dood xD

 

[Crimson Ice]

You are in denial, that is why you see the two fights differently. The amount that Erza struggled against Azuma is pretty much similar to that of Laxus and Wahl.

I never forced anyone. You took the offense because you couldn't find enough evidence to support your claim. Don't act like you're innocent, especially after insulting others. I asked you about your illogical reasoning and you realized you were wrong so you had to change the subject into an English Vocabulary debate... Not to mention, I provided you with definitions, none of which you could counter, so again, you're denying it. Now if that isn't desperate... Please, what do I gain from discrediting a character? All I did was ask for a simple reason in which you gave me an answer that you didn't understand yourself.

You're in denial you completely ignored my point. Laxus only struggled when his illness was holding him back Erza had the tree fall down and still beat Azuma like that while Laxus onlY overpowered him when he got healed. NOT COMPARABLE.


You tried to force you opinion on me and be a smartass when you quoted me. I had not evdience I pointed out the evidence and I even said it again in my last post. I proved my point with the Fulminate and that's when you started complaining Laxus shouldn't have had it.

It IS different from his regular lightning. It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out, his regular lightning isn't RED, his regular lightning doesn't contain mercury fulminate like I said it makes sense in the Fairy Tail lore but not RL I'M NOT DEBATING IF IT MADE SENSE. You tried to one up me on something I didn't claim. No you really though it was a cheap shot when you didn't know what it meant, you used a word you didn't know and whenI called you out you backtracked. And no it wasn't PoF what? You're complaining that Laxus had a new move after training for on year, just because it doesn't make IRL doesn't mean it's PoF. You went out of your way to downplay Laxus and made yourself look stupid.

See I called you out on your bullshit and you vocab I never tried to completely switch the subject. Stop lying. What definitions. Your defintions only proved my point.

cheap shot
noun
Popularity: Bottom 30% of words
Simple Definition of cheap shot

• sports : an unfair hit made against an opponent
  
  
• : something that one person says about another
  

This only proved my point so get that dribble out of your head. Nice try you gain nothing from trying to downplay Laxus yet that's all you do. I countered your posts and you starting crying about it complaining that I wouldn't leave it alone when you quoted me.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

You're in denial you completely ignored my point. Laxus only struggled when his illness was holding him back Erza had the tree fall down and still beat Azuma like that while Laxus onlY overpowered him when he got healed. NOT COMPARABLE.


You tried to force you opinion on me and be a smartass when you quoted me. I had not evdience I pointed out the evidence and I even said it again in my last post. I proved my point with the Fulminate and that's when you started complaining Laxus shouldn't have had it.

Actually, Azuma made an exception for Erza and allowed her to be at full power in order to save her friends.

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I didn't force anything on you nor do I want to. Call me whatever name you want, I'm not here to argue. I already asked you a question in which you couldn't give me an answer that made sense to you. There is really nothing more for you to fight about unless you want to admit that you went back on your words.

See I called you out on your bullshit and you vocab I never tried to completely switch the subject. Stop lying. What definitions. Your defintions only proved my point.

cheap shot
noun
Popularity: Bottom 30% of words
Simple Definition of cheap shot

• sports : an unfair hit made against an opponent
  
  
• : something that one person says about another

This only proved my point so get that dribble out of your head. Nice try you gain nothing from trying to downplay Laxus yet that's all you do. I countered your posts and you starting crying about it complaining that I wouldn't leave it alone when you quoted me.

I'm glad you now know what cheap shot means. Nothing there supports your definition, only mine. The point still stands. Laxus should not have won the fight. The only reason you think I downplay Laxus is because you are overly biased. That is why you feel the need to blow up whenever someone mentions something about a character you disagree with. By the way, I give Laxus credit when he deserves it. You just ignore that and focus on the things you dislike.

So this debate is all because someone quoted you? I'm the one who quoted + flamed at another user because of difference in opinions? You need to check your posts first before criticizing others.

 

[BluePegasus]

I updated the thread because Neinhart his magic is revealed, which is History of Corpses. So who do you think could take down Neinhart?

 

[Brandish μ]

I updated the thread because Neinhart his magic is revealed, which is History of Corpses. So who do you think could take down Neinhart?

In a team battle like this, Neinhart will make things tougher with his magic. So far there aren't any corpses that are stronger than the person who they are facing or stronger than Neinhart himself, so I would not expect Igneel to show up for Natsu. Also maybe in following chapters we might see the limits/workings of Neinhart's magic a bit more to see how he'd affect this fight (this might not happen, we didn't see the limitations of Age Seal for example, if there are any). And Neinhart hasn't even moved - so we don't know much about anything for him apart from Historia.

I'd say Laxus and Natsu could handle him if Hades is the best he can do for them.

 

[BluePegasus]

As for now, I don't think any of the Fairy Tail mages could solo Neinhart.

I don't know a lot about the opponents Gildarts met in his past life, but I'm quite sure he faced a lot of them.

Erza can't defeat all her opponents she faced. She defeated Kyôka and Azuma with extreme high diff, there is no way she could take both of them down even if she trained the past years.

Natsu and Laxus can't take Hades down yet, I guess. But Natsu will probably face Zancrow and Laxus will probably face Tempesta.

Hades + Zancrow > Natsu
Hades + Tempesta > Laxus

Gajeel won't have a chance because he'll face Torafuza again. He couldn't defeat him without Levy's help. Torafuza is OP.

As for Mirajane, I don't know. She'll probably face Seilah and Azuma. I don't know what will happen when Mira uses Seilah Soul against Seilah lol.

I think Mirajane has the highest chance to defeat Neinhart. But as for now, I don't think anyone could defeat all their past enemies in one fight.

 

[Axiomus]

Hades doesn't have his Heart and both Zancrow and Tempesta are oneshottable. The only reason Laxus should be struggling with Hades is because he's all worn out from fighting Wahl.

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In a team battle like this, Neinhart will make things tougher with his magic. So far there aren't any corpses that are stronger than the person who they are facing or stronger than Neinhart himself, so I would not expect Igneel to show up for Natsu. Also maybe in following chapters we might see the limits/workings of Neinhart's magic a bit more to see how he'd affect this fight (this might not happen, we didn't see the limitations of Age Seal for example, if there are any). And Neinhart hasn't even moved - so we don't know much about anything for him apart from Historia.

I'd say Laxus and Natsu could handle him if Hades is the best he can do for them.

I don't think Neinhart can bring back anyone stronger than himself, so no dragons. He can probably bring back a Spriggan or something though.

 

[BluePegasus]

Hades doesn't have his Heart and both Zancrow and Tempesta are oneshottable. The only reason Laxus should be struggling with Hades is because he's all worn out from fighting Wahl.

Tempesta isn't oneshotable. Do you remember Laxus his fight with Tempesta? It was pretty clear they were equals. There is no way that Laxus is strong enough to oneshot him after one year of training.

Zancrow may be oneshotable, but you should know Natsu would fight Hades and Zancrow. If you think he could defeat the two of them, then you're overpowering Natsu as hell.

 

[Axiomus]

Tempesta isn't oneshotable. Do you remember Laxus his fight with Tempesta? It was pretty clear they were equals. There is no way that Laxus is strong enough to oneshot him after one year of training.

Zancrow may be oneshotable, but you should know Natsu would fight Hades and Zancrow. If you think he could defeat the two of them, then you're overpowering Natsu as hell.

Laxus and Tempesta were pretty much equals? In the anime, Laxus stomped Tempesta. In the anime filler rematch, Laxus was under the particles, and still beat Tempesta. I don't see it.

Natsu can oneshot Bluenote, which was Grimoire Heart's ace. It only takes the power of of Tenrou LFD to take down Hades. Hades doesn't have his heart, which means once he goes down he isn't getting back up.

 

[Brandish μ]

Hades + Zancrow > Natsu
Hades + Tempesta > Laxus

Natsu and Laxus have improved, haven't they? Same goes for all of FT members. Neinharts summons should be around their original level, so they should be taken out easily. The problem is Neinhart seemingly can make them with ease, and in a team fight where there are other Spriggans on the battlefield it makes it harder for the FT members due to weight of numbers.

 

[BluePegasus]

Laxus and Tempesta were pretty much equals? In the anime, Laxus stomped Tempesta. In the anime filler rematch, Laxus was under the particles, and still beat Tempesta. I don't see it.

That fight was filler.

Natsu can oneshot Bluenote, which was Grimoire Heart's ace. It only takes the power of of Tenrou LFD to take down Hades. Hades doesn't have his heart, which means once he goes down he isn't getting back up.

You can't compare Bluenote with Hades. Hades is a lot stronger. You're really underrating Hades lol. Both Natsu and Laxus can't defeat Hades as easy as you think. Plus, they'll probably face Tempesta and Zancrow as well. If you think Natsu could take down Hades + Zancrow and Laxus could take down Hades + Tempesta than you must think they're a god.

Natsu and Laxus have improved, haven't they? Same goes for all of FT members. Neinharts summons should be around their original level, so they should be taken out easily. The problem is Neinhart seemingly can make them with ease, and in a team fight where there are other Spriggans on the battlefield it makes it harder for the FT members due to weight of numbers.

Yes, they have. But I don't believe Laxus could oneshot Tempesta after one year of training. Laxus can defeat him, sure he can, but there is no way he could solo both Hades and Tempesta. Same for Natsu. If Hades and Zancrow isn't enough, Neinhart could summon Jackal as well.

 

[Kiki]

Didn't Laxus oneshot Tempesta in Yajima-san's 8 Island Restaurant?