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I already said that was an example... It was the closest way of explaining Laxus' feat based on what it said in the manga, and it still doesn't make sense. So if you think you can do better, please give me any theory that you have that will make this feat legit. Any battle won by PoF and Nakama Power should automatically be considered a cheap shot or nonsense. I'm pretty sure we would all agree on that... It seems you guys forget this simple information just because he's Laxus. If this was Erza, I guarantee we wouldn't be having this argument.
Dude I don't know how many times I have to say this Laxus has much higher MP than Wahl rendering Wahl buffs a none factor that's all there is to it, if you think it's because of PoF that's your problem but in fights the stronger will win that's all and that's what happened here
 

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Dude I don't know how many times I have to say this Laxus has much higher MP than Wahl rendering Wahl buffs a none factor that's all there is to it, if you think it's because of PoF that's your problem but in fights the stronger will win that's all and that's what happened here
Show me proof that Laxus his MP is higher than Wahl, because I'm quite sure it isn't.
 

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Show me proof that Laxus his MP is higher than Wahl, because I'm quite sure it isn't.
I don't think there is proof. Under the manga's portrayal, the Spriggan possess a level of MP that is vastly better than anyone else's.

It doesn't really matter to me. In the end, even if Laxus doesn't have the MP of a Spriggan he can certainly fight one. I mean he took Wahl's attacks while sick, and Wahl has the most impressive offensive attacks so far. Then there is also the Ajeel confrontation, which indicates Laxus is more than likely Ajeel level or above. I also doubt Natsu has Spriggan level MP, but he's got magic that can wreck them.
 

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Dude I don't know how many times I have to say this Laxus has much higher MP than Wahl rendering Wahl buffs a none factor that's all there is to it, if you think it's because of PoF that's your problem but in fights the stronger will win that's all and that's what happened here

So MP is the only factor? As long as your opponent has more MP, then you can't use it? If so... Explain these...
  • Natsu eating Atlas Flame's Fire
  • Natsu eating Jellal's Fire
  • Natsu eating Tempesta's Fire
 

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Show me proof that Laxus his MP is higher than Wahl, because I'm quite sure it isn't.
I can say the same to you no?
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So MP is the only factor? As long as your opponent has more MP, then you can't use it? If so... Explain these...
  • Natsu eating Atlas Flame's Fire
  • Natsu eating Jellal's Fire
  • Natsu eating Tempesta's Fire
OK I think now your just being stupid, how does that have anything to do with what I said?
but let me entertain this nonsense from you for a bit

1) Natsu is a DRAGON SLAYER whose slaying magic is super effective on fire dragons
2) Jella gave it to him it wasn't an attack DUH
3) Tempesta is weaker than Natsu

I think I will stop entertaining this nonsense here!
 

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OK I think now your just being stupid, how does that have anything to do with what I said?
but let me entertain this nonsense from you for a bit

1) Natsu is a DRAGON SLAYER whose slaying magic is super effective on fire dragons
2) Jella gave it to him it wasn't an attack DUH
3) Tempesta is weaker than Natsu

I think I will stop entertaining this nonsense here!
Not Etherious Tempesta... Where have you been? LFD Natsu was about on par with Etherious Tempesta if that. He didn't have DF at the time. And you just contradicted yourself with Atlas Flame. I'll tell you how that has anything to do with what you said. You claimed that Wahl couldn't sustain against Laxus' Red Lightning because Laxus has more MP. As far as I can tell, Atlas Flame has many times more MP than Natsu. But Natsu was still able to eat it and convert it into power for his body. You clearly haven't been reading my posts. Wahl's immunity to lightning is similar to that of Natsu's immunity to fire. Just stop with the nonsense.
 

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Team FT is stronger but team Spriggian is trickier. While FT could overpower the opposition with overwhelming force, all team Spriggian would have to do is distract FT for moment while Jacob utilises stealth-mode, clap his hands, activate his displacement ability & gg
 

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No doubt about Mirajane > Erza. Tell me when Mira used her family to win against an opponent.
Well... I can't do much for you. Seems like u've been reading Fairy Tail the wrong way and don't understand how Mashima ranks his characters :/ I'm sorry for you but you will be dissapointed soon.
 

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Well... I can't do much for you. Seems like u've been reading Fairy Tail the wrong way and don't understand how Mashima ranks his characters :/ I'm sorry for you but you will be dissapointed soon.
It's never stated in the manga that Erza > Mirajane, so don't act like I don't 'understand' the ranking in Fairy Tail, because there is none.
 

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Which Fairy Tail member(s) deal with Jacob's spatial hax? I've already put forward Erza, but is there any one else? Or are we assuming someone can blitz him before he closes his hands like Happy?
 

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It's never stated in the manga that Erza > Mirajane, so don't act like I don't 'understand' the ranking in Fairy Tail, because there is none.
It is not clearly mentioned but implied like:-
i)Erza defeating Azuma whom Mirajane failed to defeat.
ii)At the end of "Fairy Punishment Game" Erza easily overpowed Mirajane.
iii)Erza defeating Kyoka who had a Curse Power of 2700(I admit this was the most BS Fight) while Mirajane failing to defeat Sayla alone who had a Curse Power of 2000.
This was until the Tartaros Arc.
 

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It is not clearly mentioned but implied like:-
i)Erza defeating Azuma whom Mirajane failed to defeat.
ii)At the end of "Fairy Punishment Game" Erza easily overpowed Mirajane.
iii)Erza defeating Kyoka who had a Curse Power of 2700(I admit this was the most BS Fight) while Mirajane failing to defeat Sayla alone who had a Curse Power of 2000.
This was until the Tartaros Arc.
1). Mirajane already took some damage before her fight against Azuma plus she had a time limit and Erza hadn't.

2). ...

3). Didn't she attacked Seilah with Macro? And the fight between Erza and Kyôka was just bad. She won thanks to PoF, again.
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Which Fairy Tail member(s) deal with Jacob's spatial hax? I've already put forward Erza, but is there any one else? Or are we assuming someone can blitz him before he closes his hands like Happy?
Maybe Gildarts could disable his camouflage with Crash.

In my previous post I also ranked Mirajane above Jacob, but I'm not quite sure if she could defeat him. The only way she could is by blitzing him. I can see this happen tbh.
 

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Really man, I don't want to discredit you or whatever but if you really think that atm Mirajane is Spriggan level you will be dissapointed as hell ...
 

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I don't know what you are talking about. You clearly said Red Lightning was different from just regular lightning and that it doesn't make sense in real life, so you pretty much acknowledged it. That is simply not true. I said that I couldn't care what word you would use to replace the word "cheap shot". I never said I didn't care about what it means... So as far as I can tell, my definition is on point. If you don't like me correcting you on an obvious feat that involved PoF and Nakama Power, maybe you shouldn't start criticizing others of whether they read the manga or not. That is a direct insult, maybe not to you because you don't know shame, but definitely to others. Not my fault that you go out of your way to protect a character...
It IS different from his regular lightning. It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out, his regular lightning isn't RED, his regular lightning doesn't contain mercury fulminate like I said it makes sense in the Fairy Tail lore but not RL I'M NOT DEBATING IF IT MADE SENSE. You tried to one up me on something I didn't claim. No you really though it was a cheap shot when you didn't know what it meant, you used a word you didn't know and whenI called you out you backtracked. And no it wasn't PoF what? You're complaining that Laxus had a new move after training for on year, just because it doesn't make IRL doesn't mean it's PoF. You went out of your way to downplay Laxus and made yourself look stupid.
 

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I don't know what you're arguing about. I called the win a cheap shot because Laxus couldn't have won that fight without PoF. This debate is literally about whether Laxus beating Wahl was a cheap shot or not... So by default, that would depend on whether the fight made sense and whether Nakama was involved... I'm not saying that because it doesn't make sense, then it is PoF. The fact that it didn't make sense is one thing. The other being that PoF was clearly used. Answer this, do you think PoF was involved in Erza's fight with Azuma?

I don't mind Laxus gaining a new attack after training as most characters should. But not when there are such vague explanations that doesn't make sense like "Lightning that is Different from Lightning, "Lightning Containing Mercury Fulminate"' , or "Lightning that is Colored by Family Blood" or something. Why do you keep re-visiting this subject anyways? You know too well that you're just prolonging this and that I will not change my mind regardless of the nonsense that you're trying to prove.
 

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Really man, I don't want to discredit you or whatever but if you really think that atm Mirajane is Spriggan level you will be dissapointed as hell ...
Yeah i have to agree i don't really get how people still believe Mira > Erza after how Mashima has clearly portrayed the characters, Erza is a main character so i understand she will have more fights than Mira not to mention some of her's have been particularly divisive in the community but she still won these not to mention many of her opponents have been some of the most skilled in the said group they were fighting at the time like Midnight, Azuma and Kyoka, Mira did beat Freed who is a solid fighter but then fought Azuma to a draw (mind you this fight holds little weight as she was tired and had a time limit but he also did not reveal all he could do either) and then essentially lost to Seilah (however i am not convinced that the volume stats on the demons factor in the breaking of her limiter) so in conclusion most of her major fight's have been inconclusive at best, Perhaps Erza's fights do have a lot of POF but in the end she still beat them and her most recent victory over Ajeel had no POF involved mind you she had help but she did the majority of the work in the fight. All in all i am of the belief that Erza and Mira are roughly on par with one another based mostly on portrayal but to say Mira is clearly higher simply has no fact or feats backing it. i will say however that i believe Mira will be a main fighter in a upcoming Spriggan battle so we will get to see more of her soon.
 

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I don't know what you're arguing about. I called the win a cheap shot because Laxus couldn't have won that fight without PoF. This debate is literally about whether Laxus beating Wahl was a cheap shot or not... So by default, that would depend on whether the fight made sense and whether Nakama was involved... I'm not saying that because it doesn't make sense, then it is PoF. The fact that it didn't make sense is one thing. The other being that PoF was clearly used. Answer this, do you think PoF was involved in Erza's fight with Azuma?

I don't mind Laxus gaining a new attack after training as most characters should. But not when there are such vague explanations that doesn't make sense like "Lightning that is Different from Lightning, "Lightning Containing Mercury Fulminate"' , or "Lightning that is Colored by Family Blood" or something. Why do you keep re-visiting this subject anyways? You know too well that you're just prolonging this and that I will not change my mind regardless of the nonsense that you're trying to prove.


You clearly don't know what cheap shot is or PoF. Again just because his lightning doesn't make scientific sense doesn't mean it's PoF. Erza's fight was PoF simply because she was dominated the whole fight and randomly overpowers him, completely different from Laxus' fight.

Why do I keep re visiting this? You're the one who quoted me spewing your nonsensical dribble. You're the one who tried to prove me wrong, change my mind. The only thing you showed me is that you use words that you don't know the meaning of, you don't know what a cheap shot is and you don't even know what PoF really is. Miss me with this bullshit.
 
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You clearly don't know what cheap shot is or PoF. Again just because his lightning doesn't make scientific sense doesn't mean it's PoF. Erza's fight was PoF simply because she was dominated the whole fight and randomly overpowers him, completely different from Laxus' fight.

Why do I keep re visiting this? You're the one who quoted me spewing your nonsensical dribble. You're the one who tried to prove me wrong, change my mind. The only thing you showed me is that you use words that you don't know the meaning of, you don't know what a cheap shot is and you don't even know what PoF really is. Miss me with this bullshit.
I'm not the one who asked another user what manga they were reading just because both opinions didn't agree. That is a straight up insult especially since this is a place for a manga discussion about Fairy Tail. So we obviously read it. Don't play dumb with me. Just because you fanboy over a character doesn't make your viewpoint "right". Erza's fight and Laxus' fight were literally almost the same as far as how they defeated their opponent, so that is complete bias right there.

I never tried to prove you wrong. I asked you a legitimate question about how you thought the fight made sense because you didn't consider Laxus' win as a cheap shot. You immediately took offense and told me that my definition of cheap shot was incorrect, while still not providing any reason for how Laxus beat Wahl. I already told you that if you don't like my definition of cheap shot, then use your own definition, but you still couldn't give me an answer. Instead, you were so fixated on coming up with insults that you decided to go back on your words and make up random excuses just to protect Laxus, like you have been doing all along.
 

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Yeah i have to agree i don't really get how people still believe Mira > Erza after how Mashima has clearly portrayed the characters, Erza is a main character so i understand she will have more fights than Mira not to mention some of her's have been particularly divisive in the community but she still won these not to mention many of her opponents have been some of the most skilled in the said group they were fighting at the time like Midnight, Azuma and Kyoka, Mira did beat Freed who is a solid fighter but then fought Azuma to a draw (mind you this fight holds little weight as she was tired and had a time limit but he also did not reveal all he could do either) and then essentially lost to Seilah (however i am not convinced that the volume stats on the demons factor in the breaking of her limiter) so in conclusion most of her major fight's have been inconclusive at best, Perhaps Erza's fights do have a lot of POF but in the end she still beat them and her most recent victory over Ajeel had no POF involved mind you she had help but she did the majority of the work in the fight. All in all i am of the belief that Erza and Mira are roughly on par with one another based mostly on portrayal but to say Mira is clearly higher simply has no fact or feats backing it. i will say however that i believe Mira will be a main fighter in a upcoming Spriggan battle so we will get to see more of her soon.
So by your logic, Erza is stronger than Mira because she is a main character?

It doesn't matter if Erza has more fights than Mira.

You can't compare Erza vs. Azuma and Mirajane vs. Azuma with each other, because this fight was really unfair for Mirajane. She was in a bad condition and had a time limit. She had to many restrictions while Erza hadn't.

Mirajane never lost against Seilah.

Erza did not won against Ajeel, which is a fact. If Jupiter didn't hit him, Erza would've been killed which means she would've lost. Jupiter was the reason why Ajeel was defeated. And I don't care about the final Nakagami Starlight blow, it wasn't needed imo.

You're just underrating Mirajane and giving Erza to much credit she didn't deserve.
 

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You clearly don't know what cheap shot is or PoF. Again just because his lightning doesn't make scientific sense doesn't mean it's PoF. Erza's fight was PoF simply because she was dominated the whole fight and randomly overpowers him, completely different from Laxus' fight.

Why do I keep re visiting this? You're the one who quoted me spewing your nonsensical dribble. You're the one who tried to prove me wrong, change my mind. The only thing you showed me is that you use words that you don't know the meaning of, you don't know what a cheap shot is and you don't even know what PoF really is. Miss me with this bullshit.
Forget that guy he clearly doesn't know what he is on about, just ignore his ignorance
 
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