Discussion Zeldris, Meliodas and Estarossa

[john ellis]

I'm not gonna speculate if they are pure demons or what note yet however. Wonder if they all Share full counter. Personally I think they're from the royal demon clan which each member l has the ability full counter+ counter vanish


While Zeldris who I expect to have 40-45 in his first demon form(ie mark showing to have a different ability of revenge counter, called absorb counter. Which works basically the opposite he can a torn the attack and heal his magic and wounds


Meliodas I expect to have 45-48 power level in his first demon form and has rev eg counter as his special counter.


Esterossa I expect t have 60-75k power and have the special counter aboslute counter, which blocks all magic attacks in a huge radius even including mega attacks such as meliodas' wrath

 

[Rescorlian]

Well, since in the age order it is :
1) Zeldris
2) Meliodas
3) Estarossa
That should go the same for the power. Except I think the gap between Estarossa and Mel is higher than the one between Zeldris and Mel.

 

[Calum]

I don't think all three of them share the same ability or something similar to full counter. I think they each have their own power unique to themselves. Unless full counter was something that was passed down or if it originated from Estarossa. Maybe Estarossa was the one who taught Mel full counter or something similar to it.

As for the PL scale i'd it just goes by age or what Rescorlian said.

 

[TarXan]

Honestly I think Mel has the highest spirit out of the 3

It's quite obvious Estarossa's magic is on the same level as Escanor's release which makes him the strongest out of the 3.

He managed to turn that bird into a mutated demon and explode with his presence alone, at the same time they're attracted to him, Nakaba's keeping him off screen for a reason.

 

[Yakkun]

Honestly I think Mel has the highest spirit out of the 3

It's quite obvious Estarossa's magic is on the same level as Escanor's release which makes him the strongest out of the 3.

He managed to turn that bird into a mutated demon and explode with his presence alone, at the same time they're attracted to him, Nakaba's keeping him off screen for a reason.

Meliods - highest spirit stat
Zeldris - highest strength stat
Estarossa - highest magic stat

???

 

[TarXan]

Meliods - highest spirit stat
Zeldris - highest strength stat
Estarossa - highest magic stat

???

Nah I doubt it Mel beat Zel when he had full strength before he was sealed 3k years ago, if anything Estarossa's the strongest physically and magically
I just believe Mel has the highest spirit due to how durable/determined he is when it comes to fights

 

[SpectrumRay16]

Nah I doubt it Mel beat Zel when he had full strength before he was sealed 3k years ago, if anything Estarossa's the strongest physically and magically
I just believe Mel has the highest spirit due to how durable/determined he is when it comes to fights

I'm prettu sure they fought before 3000 years ago, but, i have yet to see anything that suggests he beat him, where did you read that... or are you assuming based on something that happened in the manga so far?

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 19, 2016, Original Post Date: Apr 19, 2016 ---

Meliods - highest spirit stat
Zeldris - highest strength stat
Estarossa - highest magic stat

I have a feeling that Meliodas and Zeldris are going to have similar stat splits, considering they seem to be quite similar... although Zeldris might have more magic and Meliodas might have more spirit.
Overall, i think Estarossa is going to have a fairly large amount of magic and strength to deal with mostly anyone who comes his way, but, his spirit won't be too shabby either.
I think that the two younger brothers will be similar to overall Pl as well, whilst Esta's Pl is basically a step higher than theirs and more balanced!

 

[Rescorlian]

Mel should have the a higher spirit stats than those 2. Zeldris may have more magic or strength. Estarossa should surpass them both in magic and in strength, by a quiet far margin

 

[Yakkun]

I wanna go a bit more in the realm of theory and myth with those three brothers. Nakaba has more or less subtly assigned themes to Meliodas and his sibling, for one we have the dragon Meliodas represents and then you have colour palettes. Since they are siblings and share the same demon mark as well, I'm speculating there is a link here to the whole dragon theme with them, too.

The colour palette is a bit harder. For Meliodas we have tones of white, green and gold or yellow. For Zeldris we have black, red and silver. For Estarossa we have white or silver, brass or gold and brown tones.

http://www.blackdrago.com/colors.htm

This site has some interesting infos and theories on dragons in general and especially on the meaning and interpretation of their colour tones. And I actually thik at least some of the attributes listed there fit very well with our three brothers.

 

[Demonspeed]

Mel's tattoo represents an Ouroboros and reading the Ouroboros page I think there are some similarities but maybe I am trying too hard.

 

[Baum]

Mel's Ouroboros tattoo represents an endless cycle that keeps repeating itself.

That's the main thing about him, that his lover keeps getting reincarnated, his trial at Ishtar had him repeatedly meeting Liz, living with her and getting her taken from him, he talked about putting an end to a war that "has been going on far too long" so that must mean even that is something that kept repeating itself.

I doubt it's as easy as looking up colors of different dragons if we want to theorize about Zeldris and Estarossa's themes when Meliodas' symbol is so closely related to everything we know about his arc so far and when Suzuki is so inconsistent with the characters' color schemes.

But if I had to guess/come up with a theory it'd be that all of the shit he went through and his longevity are the results of a commandment he broke or some sort of other curse and that he consciously chose the ouroboros over any other kind of dragon as a reminder of whatever crime he committed for him to have to live like that.

 

[ho11ow]

I think they were like this(IMO):
- Meliodas high in spirit and strength - (magic increasing in demon mode)
- Estarossa high in strength and magic - (spirit increasing in his stronger form)
- Zeldris is the most balance in each category

 

[Kay3795]

The spirit stat pertains to a person's mindset, and it fuels that person the strength or magic based on their emotional or spiritual drive.

Spirit doesn't provide the passive or immediate might in strength or magic a person naturally high in those stats would have access too, but it does provide the potential to match or surpass those naturally attuned or are specilised in the things of those stats.

I imagine that a person with a high-lvl spirit stat also having the quality of long-suffering & of being an enduring character -- meaning that he/she is the toughest on the inside.

 

[Tragicdeath]

If estarossa even shows up,there's no way he could go against meliodas or escanor without being crushed. It seems to havw been forgotten that the guy has zero magic,so unless he has recovered his magic I would be suicide to fight meliodas,and there's another problem,if it's true that this guy magic is as enormous as escanor's,then how on earth is he going to find a source powerful enough to restore his magic???

If it took the souls of the whole of northern brittainia for monspiet and derriere to recover their magic,then just how much souls would estarossa need to recover his magic?

I think it's either estarossa magic was too strong that the seal couldn't take all of it(so he still has some magic) or he might need to devour the remaining souls of most of brittania? Maybe he might just go soul hunting and eat the souls of a few powerful people,like meliodas.

Yeah you sound logical about your point but I think there were some sightings of Estarossa's enormous demonic power. First when Hendrickson trembled with fear when he heard his voice, well he thought it was Zeldris but it was his. Second when the bird had landed in his arm then was pissed off then popped out. Take note it landed on his armor, not on his body. Next one was both Glox and Dolor thought Escanor's amazing power is as high as Estarossa's. Meaning they compared it to the strongest one whom they think they already saw, Estarossa's strength. They didnt say comparable to Meliodas or Zeldris or any of the commandments. Lastly is his demeanor of being calm. Everyone except him are searching for a soul to regain their powers. If you analyze it he has the power to annhilate even without his power back and once he got it, its end game for everyone.

 

[Baum]

Hendrickson wasn't afraid because he heard Estarossa's voice.

He was shaking in his boots because he RECOGNIZED one of the voices. I got curious and looked it up because I didn't remember that moment and I'm not sure if Suzuki hinted at it actually being Estarossa tho. It's just a black panel with someone saying Mel's name, then the panel with Hendy realizing who spoke and the next page already goes back to the sins sensing the TC's awakening.

(sry for not actually showing the page. It's a pain to edit stuff on mobile, I'll update the post with the page later. It's in chapter 109 in case someone wants to see it before I get to do that stuff)

 

[Gallon]

Why would that be Estarossa's voice? I think it is pretty obvious that it was Zeldris'; the scene was cut just when Hendy recognized the voice (which, again, should apply to Zeldris, since he's likely to sound exactly like Meliodas. Ren did not seem to be surprised by Mel's voice when he was mistaken for Zeldris), and just when Meliodas notes that the Ten Commandments have been revived, Zeldris appears.

Nothing implies it was Estarossa.

 

[Demonspeed]

If estarossa even shows up,there's no way he could go against meliodas or escanor without being crushed. It seems to havw been forgotten that the guy has zero magic,so unless he has recovered his magic I would be suicide to fight meliodas,and there's another problem,if it's true that this guy magic is as enormous as escanor's,then how on earth is he going to find a source powerful enough to restore his magic???

If it took the souls of the whole of northern brittainia for monspiet and derriere to recover their magic,then just how much souls would estarossa need to recover his magic?

I think it's either estarossa magic was too strong that the seal couldn't take all of it(so he still has some magic) or he might need to devour the remaining souls of most of brittania? Maybe he might just go soul hunting and eat the souls of a few powerful people,like meliodas.

At this point I don't see Nakaba making Estarossa appear without his Magic and right now Mel is not here. Even if it's the day I don't think Escanor ar 50K is a match for him.

Hendrickson wasn't afraid because he heard Estarossa's voice.

He was shaking in his boots because he RECOGNIZED one of the voices. I got curious and looked it up because I didn't remember that moment and I'm not sure if Suzuki hinted at it actually being Estarossa tho. It's just a black panel with someone saying Mel's name, then the panel with Hendy realizing who spoke and the next page already goes back to the sins sensing the TC's awakening.

(sry for not actually showing the page. It's a pain to edit stuff on mobile, I'll update the post with the page later. It's in chapter 109 in case someone wants to see it before I get to do that stuff)

Spoiler: Red Hawk translation

Spoiler: Mangastream translation

RH translation has always been more correct but it's hard to know if he's talking about Estarossa or Zel. Logically thinking though, Estarossa makes more sense IMO. Zeldris is the youngest but just being brothers doesn't mean they have a similar voice. Plus they were all sealed before Hendrickson's birth.

Still, Estarossa is the one depicted on Meliodas's wanted poster. We once thought that Meliodas's appearance was not his real one and now that we have seen his peers, he and Zeldris are the only ones who look like kids(besides Gloxinia who was originally a Fairy). Maybe both have an adult form with Mel and Estarossa being twins? I once read that identical twins can have a similar voices.

Meliodas is born a July 25 and Zeldris a February 5, since we know Meliodas is older it means they are not born in the same year. Nakaba revealed several birth dates but not Estarossa's .

 

[Baum]

Ah, looks like based demonspeed already shared the pics lel

Anyway...I agree with you. Nothing on the page really points towards one specific commandment, we can just draw conclusions from what we got to know since then.

Zeldris' voice is supposedly very similar to Mel's, so that would be the first thing you'd expect to be what threw Hendy off there. But I feel like he should know better. He should know Meliodas can't possibly pop out of the seal or even just sneak his way in the middle of the TC with someone like Fraudrin right there.

I have absolutely no idea how this would be possible but I feel like it might be possible that IS Estarossa and that Hendrickson, somehow, met him before. Be it in person (which seems impossible to me) or in a vision/dream similar to what happened with Ellie (which seems only slightly less impossible with Estarossa inside the seal, unless his powers are just that broken)
Either way SOMEONE has to have seen his mug at some point. The posters were likely made/issued by Fraudrin/Dreyfus or Hendy. So there's a 50:50 chance that the latter knows how the oldest brother looks.

Maybe he even caught a glimpse of Estarossa when Fraudrin sat inside his head for a moment and whatever Hendy saw of Esta just left that much of an impression on him that he almost pissed himself hearing the guy's voice.

It's really not much more than speculation, but I think we'll be shown who was talking eventually, and I have a hunch it will be Estarossa for one of the reasons I mentioned.

I'll call it now, we will revisit that scene once the mystery around Meliodas' poster is lifted and it'll come with a flashback of Esta screwing with Hendy in one way or another.



....I'm probably wrong lol

 

[Gallon]

If Nakaba intended to mislead us with Zeldris' appearance, it just might be Estarossa. Fraudrin could have manipulated Hendricksen to quite some extent, so it's not impossible.
In my view, it fits Zeldris more. 109 was his chapter, and 113 was Estarossa's, after all.

 

[LivewireToriko]

That was zeldris.

When has estarossa displayed any kind of interest or concern about meliodas?

He still didn't even mention him, when he got his power back, and still proceeded to sit on his butt and do nothing even now.

Heck even when meliodas teleported right in front of them, he still didn't address him.