Discussion The Official Relationship/Pairing/Shipping Thread

[Aizen]

I really don't have much to add lol I mean it's all in the eye of the beholder. I feel like Natsu is further along than Gray is in the maturity department of understanding a girl's heart. Not saying he wasn't in the wrong when he just dipped on Lucy (even if he left her a note, which wasn't enough) but Natsu's demeanor is that he'll always be straight up with you, he doesn't dodge or hide, something Gray does frequently with Juvia, which even if you're fan of Gray you have to admit. I'm looking at everything from in-series perspective too, so I can't mention that Hiro likes to tease us with ships, that's obvious cause everything will mostly get canon at the end of the series like in all shounens. Gray's flaws when it comes to Juvia is that he doesn't like being upfront with her, but you obviously sees that he cares and thinks about her, regardless of what his actual actions may seem like. I wouldn't call him a "tsundere" that's kinda extreme, he's just complicated like a facebook status, but thinks things out compared to a brash Natsu who doesn't, flat out

I think this is fair. I will say though Gray has gotten way better over time imo than Natsu, who i think has mostly stayed the same. Natsu is not a bad guy, I just think he always has been like you said a straight up guy. Too me though that does not always mean more mature though. I mean sure it has taken Gray a while to come to terms with his feelings, and be more up front with Juvia, but look at Natsu even this far in the series, Natsu is just not sensitive at all. He is all about rushing into battles, and training pretty much. He has been good to Lucy at times don't get me wrong, I just think Natsu is very much a brute in all ways lol, if you can get where I am coming from.

 

[Raven]

Well Natsu did have Happy, one of his best friends, that has lived with him since he found him. So it's not like he had no one, plus it was Natsu's choice to have "no one", everyone in FT would have been there for him. Not to mention even from a friend's perspective, what he did to Lucy and everyone in FT was ridiculous. I understand Natsu had lost his Dad, but I mean come on, he can't even talk to his friends at all before he just essentially says "piece out I'm going to train for a year" lol. Natsu is just not a very mature character, a trait he shares with a lot of main Shonen protagonists. Gray has grown way more throughout the series. He has constantly had to face his own demons, with Ur,Lyon and his Dad. Natsu did have a big moment with Igneel, but instead of dealing with things with his so called "family" at FT, he left and said nothing to anyone but Lucy through a letter. Then he comes back and is shocked people have moved on lol. Gray opened up to Juvia, even crying and thanking her for being there for him. The whole thing during the time skip with Gray leaving Juvia, was not great, but he and Erza did it for a reason. Then when he saw her he apologized, something Natsu never did. I just think as a whole Juvia and Gray's relationship I can buy more than Natsu and Lucy. All in all though neither one of them are realistic really, I just think the comedy and the development with Gray and Juvia is better.

I got no problem with your post because it's just your opinion. you can look at it in different ways Natsu clearly wanted to become stronger to defend everyone that only, she is not his girl friend yet a letter should be enough but because she loves him she was sad because she thought that he didn't care as much as she expected from him after all times they were together which is normal on other hand Gray know Juvia loves him and left her for 6 month she was waiting for him everyday, Natsu did for Juvia more than gray he brought Gray for her.
You can't say Gray has a better development because he simply doesn't have any better development than Natsu. Hiro mashima said every character has his unique trait and it's not going to change. you are just giving Gray more love because you like gray.

 

[Doughboy]

In this case of "maturity" I'm meaning about understanding a girl, woman, your other half. Gray is obviously overall more mature than Natsu... who maybe is the least mature character in the series lol. I feel like Natsu outclasses Gray in this department though. When Acno came to Tenrou Island, Natsu snapped Lucy out of her tears to let her know they'll be ok, which is love. Before Ajeel invaded Magnolia, Juvia actually approached Gray first but Gray initiated the conversation about their standings... that was good. But it wasn't like he was looking for Juvia wanting to tell her that, still was good though. And yeah of course there is the natural progression, but I was meaning in the overall aspect of things, Gray glo'd up over time by being more comfortable with/around Juvia but still can duck and dodge, which hey, that's just him. He ain't wanna sleep in the sleeping bag she brought just for him, cause it was too "hot" lol true. It would interesting if Lucy was like Juvia, how would Natsu react cause it's hard to do hypotheticals, cause at this stage of their relationship, Natsu and Lucy are just best friends, who have that mutual love and respect for each other, while Gray and Juvia one side is overbearing while the other is growing into that role

 

[Baston.]

I think this is fair. I will say though Gray has gotten way better over time imo than Natsu, who i think has mostly stayed the same. Natsu is not a bad guy, I just think he always has been like you said a straight up guy. Too me though that does not always mean more mature though. I mean sure it has taken Gray a while to come to terms with his feelings, and be more up front with Juvia, but look at Natsu even this far in the series, Natsu is just not sensitive at all. He is all about rushing into battles, and training pretty much. He has been good to Lucy at times don't get me wrong, I just think Natsu is very much a brute in all ways lol, if you can get where I am coming from.

Even though he's a straight up guy, he has never been in the situation where he has to downright talk about his feelings of romance or put in the spotlight in that context compared to Gray has been excessively. Natsu's been straight up only from a platonic sense. Which is a big difference from platonic and non-platonic sense.

 

[Aizen]

I got no problem with your post because it's just your opinion. you can look at it in different ways Natsu clearly wanted to become stronger to defend everyone that only, she is not his girl friend yet a letter should be enough but because she loves him she was sad because she thought that he didn't care as much as she expected from him after all times they were together which is normal on other hand Gray know Juvia loves him and left her for 6 month she was waiting for him everyday, Natsu did for Juvia is more than gray he brought Gray for her. Na
You can't say Gray has a better development because he simply doesn't have any better development than Natsu. Hiro mashima said every character has his unique trait and it's not going to change. you are just giving Gray more love because you like gray.

I disagree, I provided a clear and I think fair perspective at why I think that. Am I somewhat bias? Sure I am, we all are, but that does not mean I am saying it only because I like Gray. A letter is not enough for any person that is your friend simple as that imo. What friend does that really? Like I said to, I am not even just saying it was bad to Lucy, it was bad to everyone who cared for Natsu. Part of being a good friend is not only caring for your friends, but also respecting their care for you. Something Natsu does not do, simple as that. He rushes into everything, and rarely think about the consequences, that's not mature imo. What Gray did was for Juvia's safety I imagine, was it great? No, but it had a purpose, and he apologized, something again Natsu never did. I agree it is all about how you look at it, everyone looks at things differently, but Natsu to me is really not a mature character overall.

 

[Baston.]

In this case of "maturity" I'm meaning about understanding a girl, woman, your other half. Gray is obviously overall more mature than Natsu... who maybe is the least mature character in the series lol. I feel like Natsu outclasses Gray in this department though. When Acno came to Tenrou Island, Natsu snapped Lucy out of her tears to let her know they'll be ok, which is love. Before Ajeel invaded Magnolia, Juvia actually approached Gray first but Gray initiated the conversation about their standings... that was good. But it wasn't like he was looking for Juvia wanting to tell her that, still was good though. And yeah of course there is the natural progression, but I was meaning in the overall aspect of things, Gray glo'd up over time by being more comfortable with/around Juvia but still can duck and dodge, which hey, that's just him. He ain't wanna sleep in the sleeping bag she brought just for him, cause it was too "hot" lol true. It would interesting if Lucy was like Juvia, how would Natsu react cause it's hard to do hypotheticals, cause at this stage of their relationship, Natsu and Lucy are just best friends, who have that mutual love and respect for each other, while Gray and Juvia one side is overbearing while the other is growing into that role

The thing is Gray clearly understands a girl especially in Juvia's case. He understood full well how Juvia felt and was scared about Juvia was emotionally about the happenings on Tartaros, and comforted her and held her hand when she was riding behind him and assured her we'll win that is love.. Isn't the same thing as this? : : "When Acno came to Tenrou Island, Natsu snapped Lucy out of her tears to let her know they'll be ok, which is love" So how can you say one outclasses the other while ignoring their respective development and maturity in handling each other's respective partners?
Natsu has shown literally nothing that outclasses Gray in this maturity department.
If Natsu was so understandimg toward a woman, why didn't he apologize toward Lucy when he was touching her private parts and straight up abandoning her? Gray was understanding enough to apologize on both regards. Natsu instead makes up lofty excuses.

Gray still ducks and dodges only for comic relief moments/gags from Juvia's fangirling, not when she's being normal. It's like saying Cana can oneshot Brandish even though it was a comedic relief moment gag..

Atleast Natsu doesn't have to deal with Lucy fangirling over him like a god so he has it much easier.


Gray has simply has better development as a whole compared to Natsu in literally most aspects because he simply does from manga protrayal from current context. Maturity wise he also outclasses Natsu from a relationship standpoint. Manga clearly shows this. Not hard to get.

 

[M3J]

Natsu is too much of an idiot to really be into/understand romance or when it comes to understanding people, at least more than what they show outside. Pretty sure a woman would have to basically say it outright to him, and even then he'd likely panic and say or act dumb. Gray is more mature, but Juvia is too weird, which probably gets to him. But other than that, he seems to be good to her.


In any case, Erza and Jellal ftw!

 

[Raven]

In this case of "maturity" I'm meaning about understanding a girl, woman, your other half. Gray is obviously overall more mature than Natsu... who maybe is the least mature character in the series lol. I feel like Natsu outclasses Gray in this department though. When Acno came to Tenrou Island, Natsu snapped Lucy out of her tears to let her know they'll be ok, which is love. Before Ajeel invaded Magnolia, Juvia actually approached Gray first but Gray initiated the conversation about their standings... that was good. But it wasn't like he was looking for Juvia wanting to tell her that, still was good though. And yeah of course there is the natural progression, but I was meaning in the overall aspect of things, Gray glo'd up over time by being more comfortable with/around Juvia but still can duck and dodge, which hey, that's just him. He ain't wanna sleep in the sleeping bag she brought just for him, cause it was too "hot" lol true. It would interesting if Lucy was like Juvia, how would Natsu react cause it's hard to do hypotheticals, cause at this stage of their relationship, Natsu and Lucy are just best friends, who have that mutual love and respect for each other, while Gray and Juvia one side is overbearing while the other is growing into that role

Natsu is carefree and reckless in nature, He doesn't even remember his former opponents lol. What they want from Natsu idk! he showed enough deveploment for Lucy.. it's indeed slowly because Natsu traits are intercepting with their develpoment. Natsu will not jump from a to z telling Lucy that he loves her all sudden you know they need more time but it still better than Gruvia deveploment.

 

[Jko]

Lol @Baston. Gray was a straight douchebag to Juvia in the GMG/Sun Village arc and he was a real d#@k when he left for six months with no goodbye. She was sitting in the rain for six months straight and only gets a feeble I'm sorry . At least Natsu never endangered Lucy's health unlike Gray who got Juvia seriously sick. Natsu left a note telling her he's going to train and how long he'll be gone while Gray gives Juvia no notice on his whereabouts and leaves her sitting in the rain for six months. The two aren't even comparable. Gray's gotten a lot better in the Alvarez arc at communicating his feelings without coming off as a douche towards Juvia tho. Also one time Natsu touched Lucy's boobs and you think that means he's inconsiderate towards Lucy's feelings . Natsu has showed multiple times that he takes in Lucy's feelings, the dude lifted an entire tree and put it in front of her house, he consoled after her copped out fight with Flare, he immediately trustes anyone Lucy's trusts (e.g. Flare, Brandish), and he stopped himself from fighting bcs Lucy told him too and you truly think he's inconsiderate???

Well Natsu did have Happy, one of his best friends, that has lived with him since he found him. So it's not like he had no one, plus it was Natsu's choice to have "no one", everyone in FT would have been there for him. Not to mention even from a friend's perspective, what he did to Lucy and everyone in FT was ridiculous. I understand Natsu had lost his Dad, but I mean come on, he can't even talk to his friends at all before he just essentially says "piece out I'm going to train for a year" lol. Natsu is just not a very mature character, a trait he shares with a lot of main Shonen protagonists. Gray has grown way more throughout the series. He has constantly had to face his own demons, with Ur,Lyon and his Dad. Natsu did have a big moment with Igneel, but instead of dealing with things with his so called "family" at FT, he left and said nothing to anyone but Lucy through a letter. Then he comes back and is shocked people have moved on lol. Where as Gray opened up to Juvia, even crying and thanking her for being there for him. The whole thing during the time skip with Gray leaving Juvia, was not great, but he and Erza did it for a reason. Then when he saw her he apologized, something Natsu never did. I just think overall I have enjoyed Juvia and Gray's relationship more than Natsu and Lucy's. All in all though neither one of them are realistic really, and I don't think Natsu and Lucy's relationship is bad. I just think the comedy and the development with Gray and Juvia is better.

Natsu doesn't need to apologize bcs it's his decision to make not everyone else. He left to go train and get much stronger which he left a note for Lucy so she doesn't worry where he is. Gray and Erza reason sucked it wasn't good at all and Gray's apology was even worse. It was a very brief sorry and it didn't feel sincere. Also everyone left and they did that without even knowing Natsu left so how did that affect anyone but Lucy? The guy went on a super regimen to become stronger and he used his training as an outlet to grieve. Unlike Gray's demons Natsu's are very much alive and they're going to mess with not only his life but the people in it unless he got stronger so he can do something about it. Also everyone but Happy left Natsu alone and didn't even come by to see how he was doing over the course of the week so it's not like his family even tried to help him anyway. Also ofc he was shocked that the guild was disbanded because he didn't think everyone would just up and leave like that but he shut up when Lucy said something because he knew that was a sensitive subject for her.

 

[Baston.]

Natsu is too much of an idiot to really be into/understand romance or when it comes to understanding people, at least more than what they show outside. Pretty sure a woman would have to basically say it outright to him, and even then he'd likely panic and say or act dumb. Gray is more mature, but Juvia is too weird, which probably gets to him. But other than that, he seems to be good to her.


In any case, Erza and Jellal ftw!

Indeed, he's too much of an idiot to understand romance or a woman's feelings, and tries to downplay it when someone questions him (in this case, it was Lucy his own partner).

Jerza is a good pairing, well developed. IThe Jerza OVA was great and hilarious during the pool slide moment probably my favourite part when Jellal started to nosebleed dressed as Mystogan when she was on top of him lol.

 

[Cat Sidhe26]

Proof is in the manga
1)Proof is already evident that Gray has displayed better development to Juvia than he has in the past.
(Thanking her, saving her to a point that he even died for her, apologizing to her when there's an issue, being greatful toward her, rooting for her, worrying for her, and even when he was thinkign about his friends, there was a big panel of Juvia compared to others, so that foreshadows how close Juvia is to him.
Proof is already in the pudding that he has thanked her several times when she does something for him.
Proof is in the pudding that Gray has done so many things for Juvia's well being and amonst other things.


Ignoring Manga's portrayal of which Mashima displayed and worked hard on is disrespectful to him.

Gray also doesn't even mind her company all that much anymore compared to before, and isn't as freaked out as much when she's fangirling

On the other hand, Natsu doesn't even show any proper development to Lucy and in fact shows disrespectful behaviour and is inconsiderate in his feelings toward Lucy. I mean atleast apologize if you hurt someone's feelings, sheesh... is Natsu that big of a superstar now to not even have the decency to do that?(Also Lucy downright implied Natsu is a hypocrite when he was berating another character, which is like pot meet kettle moment.) Let's not forget the amount of times in the avatar arc where Natsu puts down Lucy and act as if it isn't a big thing for her to upset downright disresprecting her character.

Natsu has called Lucy fat on a few times in the manga/anime and you never call a women fat let alone be disrespectful towards her feelings and Natsu touching Lucy's breast accident, on purpose, and whenever he wants to and not apologize for it clearly disrespectful and sexual harassment. In my opinion Natsu is the enemy of all women

 

[Raven]

Natsu is too much of an idiot to really be into/understand romance or when it comes to understanding people, at least more than what they show outside. Pretty sure a woman would have to basically say it outright to him, and even then he'd likely panic and say or act dumb. Gray is more mature, but Juvia is too weird, which probably gets to him. But other than that, he seems to be good to her.


In any case, Erza and Jellal ftw!

Nope, he is not that dumb he already gifted her a floating tree if this isn't love i don't know what is love lol.. And Natsu is pretty much used for comdic purposes. In serious times Natsu show more maturity than anyone not just gray

 

[Jko]

Natsu has called Lucy fat on a few times in the manga/anime and you never call a women fat let alone be disrespectful towards her feelings and Natsu touching Lucy's breast accident, on purpose, and whenever he wants to and not apologize for it clearly disrespectful and sexual harassment. In my opinion Natsu is the enemy of all women

Happy calls Lucy fat so what it's for comedy. Also callin someone fat isn't sexual harassment.

 

[Aizen]

Lol @Baston. Gray was a straight douchebag to Juvia in the GMG/Sun Village arc and he was a real d#@k when he left for six months with no goodbye. She was sitting in the rain for six months straight and only gets a feeble I'm sorry . At least Natsu never endangered Lucy's health unlike Gray who got Juvia seriously sick. Natsu left a note telling her he's going to train and how long he'll be gone while Gray gives Juvia no notice on his whereabouts and leaves her sitting in the rain for six months. The two aren't even comparable. Gray's gotten a lot better in the Alvarez arc at communicating his feelings without coming off as a douche towards Juvia tho. Also one time Natsu touched Lucy's boobs and you think that means he's inconsiderate towards Lucy's feelings . Natsu has showed multiple times that he takes in Lucy's feelings, the dude lifted an entire tree and put it in front of her house, he consoled after her copped out fight with Flare, he immediately trustes anyone Lucy's trusts (e.g. Flare, Brandish), and he stopped himself from fighting bcs Lucy told him too and you truly think he's inconsiderate???
Natsu doesn't need to apologize bcs it's his decision to make not everyone else. He left to go train and get much stronger which he left a note for Lucy so she doesn't worry where he is. Gray and Erza reason sucked it wasn't good at all and Gray's apology was even worse. It was a very brief sorry and it didn't feel sincere. Also everyone left and they did that without even knowing Natsu left so how did that affect anyone but Lucy? The guy went on a super regimen to become stronger and he used his training as an outlet to grieve. Unlike Gray's demons Natsu's are very much alive and they're going to mess with not only his life but the people in it unless he got stronger so he can do something about it. Also everyone but Happy left Natsu alone and didn't even come by to see how he was doing over the course of the week so it's not like his family even tried to help him anyway. Also ofc he was shocked that the guild was disbanded because he didn't think everyone would just up and leave like that but he shut up when Lucy said something because he knew that was a sensitive subject for her.

I have layed out my opinion, some of your points are fair, but saying Natsu and Lucy's relationship is so much better than Gray and Juvia's is imo absurd. What Natsu did to his friends by leaving right after the battle with Tartarus was ridiculous imo simple as that. Natsu constantly talks about how FT is family and all that stuff yet he does that? Explain to me how that is not complete bs. I don't hate Natsu, but I know what I get from him, and that is a aggressive, and very generic Shonen protagonist. I think some of us just like certain relationships more than others, and that's ok.

 

[M3J]

Lol @Baston. Gray was a straight douchebag to Juvia in the GMG/Sun Village arc and he was a real d#@k when he left for six months with no goodbye. She was sitting in the rain for six months straight and only gets a feeble I'm sorry . At least Natsu never endangered Lucy's health unlike Gray who got Juvia seriously sick. Natsu left a note telling her he's going to train and how long he'll be gone while Gray gives Juvia no notice on his whereabouts and leaves her sitting in the rain for six months. The two aren't even comparable. Gray's gotten a lot better in the Alvarez arc at communicating his feelings without coming off as a douche towards Juvia tho. Also one time Natsu touched Lucy's boobs and you think that means he's inconsiderate towards Lucy's feelings . Natsu has showed multiple times that he takes in Lucy's feelings, the dude lifted an entire tree and put it in front of her house, he consoled after her copped out fight with Flare, he immediately trustes anyone Lucy's trusts (e.g. Flare, Brandish), and he stopped himself from fighting bcs Lucy told him too and you truly think he's inconsiderate???
Natsu doesn't need to apologize bcs it's his decision to make not everyone else. He left to go train and get much stronger which he left a note for Lucy so she doesn't worry where he is. Gray and Erza reason sucked it wasn't good at all and Gray's apology was even worse. It was a very brief sorry and it didn't feel sincere. Also everyone left and they did that without even knowing Natsu left so how did that affect anyone but Lucy? The guy went on a super regimen to become stronger and he used his training as an outlet to grieve. Unlike Gray's demons Natsu's are very much alive and they're going to mess with not only his life but the people in it unless he got stronger so he can do something about it. Also everyone but Happy left Natsu alone and didn't even come by to see how he was doing over the course of the week so it's not like his family even tried to help him anyway. Also ofc he was shocked that the guild was disbanded because he didn't think everyone would just up and leave like that but he shut up when Lucy said something because he knew that was a sensitive subject for her.

Hasn't Natsu taken in others' feelings as well, especially girls'? Just so happens that Lucy tends to be a vocal crybaby, and Natsu is about inspiring and motivating people to never give up and keep trying. Isn't that one reason why Erza is fond of Natsu? If I recall correctly (which I probably don't), Natsu gave Erze hope and brought her willpower back, and he led by example when he refused to give up no matter how hard the fights got.

Indeed, he's too much of an idiot to understand romance or a woman's feelings, and tries to downplay it when someone questions him (in this case, it was Lucy his own partner).

Jerza is a good pairing, well developed. IThe Jerza OVA was great and hilarious during the pool slide moment probably my favourite part when Jellal started to nosebleed dressed as Mystogan when she was on top of him lol.

I think Natsu can grow, but at this point he just seems too reckless and immature to really care. Not that I support the pairing anyway, even though they have good chemistry and are good to see together.

Yeah, seems to be most mature. But I guess I like it more because it seems tragic than anything else.

 

[Baston.]

Lol @Baston. Gray was a straight douchebag to Juvia in the GMG/Sun Village arc and he was a real d#@k when he left for six months with no goodbye. She was sitting in the rain for six months straight and only gets a feeble I'm sorry . At least Natsu never endangered Lucy's health unlike Gray who got Juvia seriously sick. Natsu left a note telling her he's going to train and how long he'll be gone while Gray gives Juvia no notice on his whereabouts and leaves her sitting in the rain for six months. The two aren't even comparable. Gray's gotten a lot better in the Alvarez arc at communicating his feelings without coming off as a douche towards Juvia tho. Also one time Natsu touched Lucy's boobs and you think that means he's inconsiderate towards Lucy's feelings . Natsu has showed multiple times that he takes in Lucy's feelings, the dude lifted an entire tree and put it in front of her house, he consoled after her copped out fight with Flare, he immediately trustes anyone Lucy's trusts (e.g. Flare, Brandish), and he stopped himself from fighting bcs Lucy told him too and you truly think he's inconsiderate???
Natsu doesn't need to apologize bcs it's his decision to make not everyone else. He left to go train and get much stronger which he left a note for Lucy so she doesn't worry where he is. Gray and Erza reason sucked it wasn't good at all and Gray's apology was even worse. It was a very brief sorry and it didn't feel sincere. Also everyone left and they did that without even knowing Natsu left so how did that affect anyone but Lucy? The guy went on a super regimen to become stronger and he used his training as an outlet to grieve. Unlike Gray's demons Natsu's are very much alive and they're going to mess with not only his life but the people in it unless he got stronger so he can do something about it. Also everyone but Happy left Natsu alone and didn't even come by to see how he was doing over the course of the week so it's not like his family even tried to help him anyway. Also ofc he was shocked that the guild was disbanded because he didn't think everyone would just up and leave like that but he shut up when Lucy said something because he knew that was a sensitive subject for her.

Lol @Jko
Straight up douchebag in the GMG arc? Juvia wasn't even there in the Sun Village arc so try to provide actual reasoning. Just because you think he was, doesn't mean he was. How was it not sincere? Gray looked sad and looking down in regret when he apologized to Juvia. He sure was a "real dick: despite the fact that he originally wanted Juvia to be with him but chose to not to for her own wellbeing, a real dick he is.

It's not his fault that Juvia was sick or straying there for 6 months. You practically putting all the blame on Gray for Juvia's actions lmao what a lame level of bait.

Atleast Gray doesn't go around touching Juvia's boobs and make excuses about it. Natsu left a note despite the fact that he could've simply met her face to face in the situation. I straight up love how you ignore how Natsu doesn't even make an attempt at an sincere apology like Gray did. Natsu was a straight up douchebag to Lucy in the GMG and Avatar arc.

Yeah Natsu is inconsiderate about Lucy's feelings when he touches her breasts despite playing it off casual. Gray's demons are still very much alive when he'll find out who END is.

Gray and Erza reason sucked? Are you kidding me? The fact that they were inflitrating dangerous enemies to avoid danger to a comrade is a shitty reason now? Wow........ Keep drinking the Natsu koolaid.

 

[Doughboy]

Mane it's hard to compartmentalize this... it's just.... Natsu and Lucy aren't there on the romance level as Gray and Juvia... they're literally like best friends who hang out daily. Best friends call each other names, make fun of each, get mad each other... so stuff like him touching her boobs, or calling her fat shouldn't even be factored in this equation at all. Juvia throws her body at Gray on the regular and what you see with Gray is he doesn't know what to do, so he ducks out on her... comic relief? Not sure in this case, just more like he doesn't know/understand what to do. Which is cool cause if anybody wants you hard and you're not sure how to say no you're gonna act dumb

I'm more comparing Natsu and Gray instead of Nalu and Gruvia as a whole... we can't compare Nalu to Gruvia just cause Gruvia is more romantic than Nalu is at this stage... cause one side is knowingly in love with the other. Natsu, as much as an idiot he is, knows the lines he can and can't cross, knows how to cheer up her, knows what action to take to resolve it better. But yeah he hasn't said sorry to Lucy, but he knows he fucked up. While Gray swerved on Juvia to help Erza lurk on Avatar, but Erza even mentioned she didn't want her to get involved. I can't shake that but we're all bias in these factors

 

[Baston.]

Happy calls Lucy fat so what it's for comedy. Also callin someone fat isn't sexual harassment.

Doesn't change the fact that Natsu casually sexually harrasses Lucy despite not giving a damn about what she thinks.

 

[Cat Sidhe26]

Happy calls Lucy fat so what it's for comedy. Also callin someone fat isn't sexual harassment.

You misunderstand I didn't say calling Lucy fat is sexual harassment. I said touching Lucy's breast is sexual harassment and you don't call a woman fat it's very rude and disrespectful.

 

[Raven]

I disagree, I provided a clear and I think fair perspective at why I think that. Am I somewhat bias? Sure I am, we all are, but that does not mean I am saying it only because I like Gray. A letter is not enough for any person that is your friend simple as that imo. What friend does that really? Like I said to, I am not even just saying it was bad to Lucy, it was bad to everyone who cared for Natsu. Part of being a good friend is not only caring for your friends, but also respecting their care for you. Something Natsu does not do, simple as that. He rushes into everything, and rarely think about the consequences, that's not mature imo. What Gray did was for Juvia's safety I imagine, was it great? No, but it had a purpose, and he apologized, something again Natsu never did. I agree it is all about how you look at it, everyone looks at things differently, but Natsu to me is really not a mature character overall.

A letter is better than nothing at least Lucy didn't went through the hardship moments like Juvia.. Natsu treat Lucy better than Gruvia treatment over all.
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Doesn't change the fact Gray rejected Juvia.