Discussion The Official Relationship/Pairing/Shipping Thread

[Baston.]

The letter argument in favour against Gray has been already debunked.
Re-read past pages, if you don't understand.

Gray treats Juvia a lot better than Natsu treated Lucy especially currently in the timeskip, it's a really no brainer
Saying NaLU has better development than Gruvia is absurd.

People keep saying Gray rejects Juvia daily when he did it just once, and that too for a comedy relief moment based on how Juvia's confession and reactions to Gray's word were protrayed to as. It's really humorous people take that scene serious as if they don't understand the context of the situation and exaggerate in their bias against Gruvia to create red herrings

Mane it's hard to compartmentalize this... it's just.... Natsu and Lucy aren't there on the romance level as Gray and Juvia... they're literally like best friends who hang out daily. Best friends call each other names, make fun of each, get mad each other... so stuff like him touching her boobs, or calling her fat shouldn't even be factored in this equation at all. Juvia throws her body at Gray on the regular and what you see with Gray is he doesn't know what to do, so he ducks out on her... comic relief? Not sure in this case, just more like he doesn't know/understand what to do. Which is cool cause if anybody wants you hard and you're not sure how to say no you're gonna act dumb

I'm more comparing Natsu and Gray instead of Nalu and Gruvia as a whole... we can't compare Nalu to Gruvia just cause Gruvia is more romantic than Nalu is at this stage... cause one side is knowingly in love with the other. Natsu, as much as an idiot he is, knows the lines he can and can't cross, knows how to cheer up her, knows what action to take to resolve it better. But yeah he hasn't said sorry to Lucy, but he knows he fucked up. While Gray swerved on Juvia to help Erza lurk on Avatar, but Erza even mentioned she didn't want her to get involved. I can't shake that but we're all bias in these factors

Exactly, he doesn't know what to do because it's from lack of experience, but it's also comedic relief moment stemming from Juvia.

 

[M3J]

Nope, he is not that dumb he already gifted her a floating tree if this isn't love i don't know what is love lol.. And Natsu is pretty much used for comdic purposes. In serious times Natsu show more maturity than anyone not just gray

He's dumb enough that he breaks into Lucy's home despite her not liking it and not respecting her privacy, and he always goes out of his way to cheer people up and inspire them. That's nothing impressive or romance-worthy, he doesn't show her any romantic preference or affection, nothing like Gajeel and Levy or Juvia and Gray or even Erza and Jellal.

And didn't he risk his life to beat evil Jellal for Erza? Didn't he save her from being absorbed by the Etherion or something? Does that mean we should pair them too? But no, Natsu doesn't show more maturity than anyone, but he does show maturity.

 

[Aizen]

A letter is better than nothing at least Lucy didn't went through the hardship moments like Juvia.. Natsu treat Lucy better than Gruvia treatment over all.
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Doesn't change the fact Gray rejected Juvia.

An apology is better too. Not to mention at least Gray and Erza had a reason. What reason did Natsu have? He could have waited, I think if we are being fair we all know he could have. I wil say i respect your opinion though, and like I said we all see things differently.

 

[Doughboy]

Right or wrong, I just feel like Natsu wouldn't keep turning down a Juvia-type of girl. He'll let her what's real from the moment she tells him of her true feelings. Really my bottom line

 

[Baston.]

He's dumb enough that he breaks into Lucy's home despite her not liking it and not respecting her privacy, and he always goes out of his way to cheer people up and inspire them. That's nothing impressive or romance-worthy, he doesn't show her any romantic preference or affection, nothing like Gajeel and Levy or Juvia and Gray or even Erza and Jellal.

And didn't he risk his life to beat evil Jellal for Erza? Didn't he save her from being absorbed by the Etherion or something? Does that mean we should pair them too? But no, Natsu doesn't show more maturity than anyone, but he does show maturity.

Agreed,
He doesn't even show actual maturity, in Erza's case, he just shows that he doesn't want her to be dead or defeated.

 

[M3J]

A letter is better than nothing at least Lucy didn't went through the hardship moments like Juvia.. Natsu treat Lucy better than Gruvia treatment over all.
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Doesn't change the fact Gray rejected Juvia.

Didn't Gray "abandon" Juvia because he was pretending to join the bad guys in order to get the book or something? Probably didn't want anyone knowing that, especially Juvia.

They don't seem to treat each other that much differently, except Gray and Juvia are more romantic than Natsu and Lucy.

Where did he reject Juvia?

 

[Baston.]

Right or wrong, I just feel like Natsu wouldn't keep turning down a Juvia-type of girl. He'll let her what's real from the moment she tells him of her true feelings. Really my bottom line

Except Gray has never kept turning down Juvia type of girl from a serious context. He has only turned her down from reasons I have stated so many times: HINT: COMIC RELIEF
. Either you are purposely ignoring them or just don't want to accept it.

Besides, why ignore Gray's confession moments where he literally said he will tell her how he feels??

Natsu has not been in this situation so you can not be assured that he would do what you feel he would do. Especially when he's not doing a good job with Lucy so far.

 

[M3J]

Agreed,
He doesn't even show actual maturity, in Erza's case, he just shows that he doesn't want her to be dead or defeated.

I think Natsu can show maturity, but there's no indication whatsoever to this Natsu-Lucy pairing, and it really can't be compared to Gray and Juvia as we see Juvia clearly obsessed with Gray, while Gray can be intimidated by her, creeped out by her, or cheering her up.

 

[Raven]

He's dumb enough that he breaks into Lucy's home despite her not liking it and not respecting her privacy, and he always goes out of his way to cheer people up and inspire them. That's nothing impressive or romance-worthy, he doesn't show her any romantic preference or affection, nothing like Gajeel and Levy or Juvia and Gray or even Erza and Jellal.

And didn't he risk his life to beat evil Jellal for Erza? Didn't he save her from being absorbed by the Etherion or something? Does that mean we should pair them too? But no, Natsu doesn't show more maturity than anyone, but he does show maturity.

Erza is like a sister for him, he did what he did in TOH to save her that indeed shows how Mature is Natsu to risk his life for others, Lucy is not against Natsu breaking into her house any more she actually feel safe when he is around. she did the same and break into his house.
Nalu is special and it's for sure different than Gale Gruvia and Jerza.. that's why Nalu shippers outnumber any ship in this series..

 

[Jko]

I have layed out my opinion, some of your points are fair, but saying Natsu and Lucy's relationship is so much better than Gray and Juvia's is imo absurd. What Natsu did to his friends by leaving right after the battle with Tartoros was ridiculous imo simple as that. Natsu constantly talks about FT is family and all that stuff yet he does that? Explain that to me how that is not complete bs. I don't hate Natsu, but I know what I get from him, and that is a aggressive, and very generic Shonen protagonist.

How? Juvia is a stalker with an unhealthy obsession for Gray and Gray was a pretty big douchebag towards her. His entire family left without even knowing he was gone so there more ridiculous than him. They all left Lucy as fast as the wind and gave her nothing on where they were going or if they ever coming back. He talks about family and all that but what he did was so that he can protect that family bcs not only did he see his father brutally murder but just an arc ago he saw F. Lucy get killed before his eyes so those back to back deaths showed he has to get stronger or he'll never be able to protect what's important to him.

 

[M3J]

Erza is like a sister for him, he did what he did in TOH to save her that indeed shows how Mature is Natsu to risk his life for others, Lucy is not against Natsu breaking into her house any more she actually feel safe when he is around. she did the same and break into his house.
Nalu is special and it's for sure different than Gale Gruvia and Jerza.. that's why Nalu shippers outnumber any ship in this series..

How does that show maturity??? That shows loyalty, and you don't have to be mature to be loyal

And yet she ends up getting mad, yelling at him, and hitting him whenever he does it. I don't get how she's not against him breaking into her house.

 

[Baston.]

Erza is like a sister for him, he did what he did in TOH to save her that indeed shows how Mature is Natsu to risk his life for others, Lucy is not against Natsu breaking into her house any more she actually feel safe when he is around. she did the same and break into his house.
Nalu is special and it's for sure different than Gale Gruvia and Jerza.. that's why Nalu shippers outnumber any ship in this series..

NaLu shippers outnumber any ship in the series, because it's the main-strea pairing. It's only logical it would have the most fans much like any other shounen.
Jerza for example is far better written than NaLu despite not having as many fans.

 

[Doughboy]

Except Gray has never kept turning down Juvia type of girl from a serious context. He has only turned her down from reasons I have stated so many times. Either you are purposely ignoring them or just dont' want to accept it.

Besides, why ignore Gray's confession moments where he literally said he will tell ter how he feels??

Natsu has not been in this situation so you can not be assured that he would do what he feels to do. Especially when he's not doing a good job with Lucy so far.

True, but at same time him and Lucy not like that "yet". Can't say that he's not doing a good job with Lucy when there's no "job" they can currently do now. They're still in best friends phase so it's apples and oranges to me. Plus Gray did turn down Juvia during the GMG banquet but it didn't work with her. Doesn't mean it never happened.

Not ignoring Gray's confession but we'll get there when we'll get there, I've been said that was good on Gray's part

 

[M3J]

There's nothing special about Natsu-Lucy, it's just popular because they had the most screen time together, and the manga started out with them both. Plus, most main characters tend to get paired up together, except for Luffy as he's with Boa or someone else.

 

[Baston.]

How? Juvia is a stalker with an unhealthy obsession for Gray and Gray was a pretty big douchebag towards her. His entire family left without even knowing he was gone so there more ridiculous than him. They all left Lucy as fast as the wind and gave her nothing on where they were going or if they ever coming back. He talks about family and all that but what he did was so that he can protect that family bcs not only did he see his father brutally murder but just an arc ago he saw F. Lucy get killed before his eyes so those back to back deaths showed he has to get stronger or he'll never be able to protect what's important to him.

Yeah, and clearly Gray isn't a douchebag toward her anymore, and he was not even a douche in the past, just merely blunt in what he feels while apologizing if things escalate. Meanwhile Natsu the superstar doesn't feel its' necessary to apologize when groping Lucy or abandoning her. No he doesn't give a fuck to even meet her once despite how much they adventured together. He straight up flat out refused her.

 

[Cat Sidhe26]

Erza is like a sister for him, he did what he did in TOH to save her that indeed shows how Mature is Natsu to risk his life for others, Lucy is not against Natsu breaking into her house any more she actually feel safe when he is around. she did the same and break into his house.
Nalu is special and it's for sure different than Gale Gruvia and Jerza.. that's why Nalu shippers outnumber any ship in this series..

Lucy broke into Natsu's house because she trying to back at for always breaking into her house.

 

[Baston.]

True, but at same time him and Lucy not like that "yet". Can't say that he's not doing a good job with Lucy when there's no "job" they can currently do now. They're still in best friends phase so it's apples and oranges to me. Plus Gray did turn down Juvia during the GMG banquet but it didn't work with her. Doesn't mean it never happened.

Not ignoring Gray's confession but we'll get there when we'll get there, I've been said that was good on Gray's part

At the very least he can treat Lucy better than what he's shown in the timeskip.

Gray turned down Juvia because it was for a comedic relief moment. Look at Juvia's reaction and her confession, does that scene or context look any serious to you? Mashima loves to poke and find humor in that. It was not mean to be taken in face value.

 

[Aizen]

How? Juvia is a stalker with an unhealthy obsession for Gray and Gray was a pretty big douchebag towards her. His entire family left without even knowing he was gone so there more ridiculous than him. They all left Lucy as fast as the wind and gave her nothing on where they were going or if they ever coming back. He talks about family and all that but what he did was so that he can protect that family bcs not only did he see his father brutally murder but just an arc ago he saw F. Lucy get killed before his eyes so those back to back deaths showed he has to get stronger or he'll never be able to protect what's important to him.

This will be my last post in this discussion because I think we all know where each of us stand haha. I get your point, but there really was no logical reason as to why he could not have waited, and maybe even took some of his guild members with him. Also they all left Lucy because they had no hub anymore to meet. They all had to scatter to find work, it was not because they just wanted to ditch Lucy. I will say you have a fair point in regards to questioning why they all did not do a better job of staying in touch. I think we could all go in circles on how each of us felt about individual situations, but all in all we see this differently simple as that.

 

[Raven]

How does that show maturity??? That shows loyalty, and you don't have to be mature to be loyal

And yet she ends up getting mad, yelling at him, and hitting him whenever he does it. I don't get how she's not against him breaking into her house.

She was mad at first, but remember when Natsu gone for traing she wanted him to break into her house again and she imagined him in her house which proves that she likes him to be in her house manga has proved that. In the last chapters Lucy was enjoying reading a book and Natsu & Happy was playing cards games in her house before Ajeel's fight
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Lucy broke into Natsu's house because she trying to back at for always breaking into her house.

What she did next ? she cleaned Natsu's house... going to quote Erza and Levy "That is also love"

 

[Doughboy]

At the very least he can treat Lucy better than what he's shown in the timeskip.

Gray turned down Juvia because it was for a comedic relief moment. Look at Juvia's reaction and her confession, does that scene or context look any serious to you? Mashima loves to poke and find humor in that. It was not mean to be taken in face value.

lol again, mentioning Hiro can't be a factor in this. I'm looking at all this from an IN-series perspective, so literally how Gray is going about it himself. Of course everyone knows it's a comic relief moment, but Gray shooting her down was deff real. And Juvia shrugging it off was deff real too. Can't base it on comic relief but it's whatever