Group Group D Battle Royale

Which 4 Characters advance to the next round?

  • Gray Fullbuster

    Votes: 47 72.3%
  • Kyôka

    Votes: 14 21.5%
  • Marin Hollow

    Votes: 4 6.2%
  • Natsu Dragneel

    Votes: 59 90.8%
  • Neinhart

    Votes: 30 46.2%
  • Rogue Cheney

    Votes: 8 12.3%
  • Sherria Blendy (Third Origin)

    Votes: 36 55.4%
  • Wahl Icht

    Votes: 49 75.4%

  • Total voters
    65
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I didn't really consider Kyoka because of Gray. Assuming we allow Gray to fight seriously, DeS magic will completely stomp Kyoka. So if she activates a curse on everyone, then I'd say Gray reacts and proceeds to take her out. Though I guess I might be picking on Kyoka here, but if she tried to fight Natsu or Wahl straight up she'd be defeated very quickly.
 

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I think you're downplaying Natsu A LOT here. Natsu, when serious, took Jacob out with one hit and had Jacob incredibly pained from body heat alone. I'd imagine even with Jura's defensive spells that Jura would still be reeling from the heat, and unable to defend against Natsu's attack like the case with God Serena. God Serena low diffing the Gods is somewhat impressive, but considering seeing Natsu has effectively one-shotted Jacob (Jacob was hardly damaged before FDK's Demolishing Strike) ad that Jacob being a Spriggan is argurably >> Jura, then Natsu should be able to do the same. Natsu's shown his attacks have just as much potency when it comes to power, and with larger AoE spells as well, I would argue Natsu > God Serena. There really isn't anyone in this group who could still be standing after a FDK spell.
No, Natsu didn't took Jacob down in one hit. See for yourself:




It may didn't do major damage, but it sure did damage to him. Natsu's FDKM attack didn't oneshot Jacob, which you can't deny.

Jura is one of the best defensive mage from Ishgar. Tbh, he could be the strongest when it comes to defense. Rock Mountain is extremely powerful when it comes to defense, since it could tank Grand Chariot with ease.

Natsu isn't stronger than God Serena. Natsu isn't stronger than the Four Gods of Ishgar, he wouldn't come further than defeating two of them when he uses FDKM mode. God Serena > Natsu (I don't have any doubt about it).

Marin could undo his FDKM spell in a blink of an eye.

Anyway, Natsu will be defeated by Neinhart's corpses spam. Mard Geer, Hades, Zero, Jackal & Zancrow >>> Natsu.

As for Kyouka, her enhancement curse only increases her attack power, not any other attriubute, so in that regard her defence isn't that incredible, and on that note, she could be one-shotted by a strong enough attack.
Her speed and attack increases. You make it sound like she has zero defense. Once she is in Etherious form and her Enhancement is activated, she'll oneshot others.

As for Marin, his magic only affects spacial magic, i.e magic that Neinhart and Wahl don't use, so his "law of space" magic isn't doing diddly squat to them, or anyone in the group now that I think about it.
Neinhart's Historia of Corpses and Wahl's Weakness does affect space.

I didn't really consider Kyoka because of Gray. Assuming we allow Gray to fight seriously, DeS magic will completely stomp Kyoka. So if she activates a curse on everyone, then I'd say Gray reacts and proceeds to take her out. Though I guess I might be picking on Kyoka here, but if she tried to fight Natsu or Wahl straight up she'd be defeated very quickly.
Kyôka is on a whole other level than Tempesta. In the end, Tempesta was fodderized by Laxus and Gray. Kyôka will use her Sensation Curse on Gray and he'll scream. Gray could solo Base Kyôka but won't defeat Kyôka without extreme high diff. I'd rank DeS Gray more or less equal with Etherious Kyôka atm.
 

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No, Natsu didn't took Jacob down in one hit. See for yourself:




It may didn't do major damage, but it sure did damage to him. Natsu's FDKM attack didn't oneshot Jacob, which you can't deny.

Jura is one of the best defensive mage from Ishgar. Tbh, he could be the strongest when it comes to defense. Rock Mountain is extremely powerful when it comes to defense, since it could tank Grand Chariot with ease.

Natsu isn't stronger than God Serena. Natsu isn't stronger than the Four Gods of Ishgar, he wouldn't come further than defeating two of them when he uses FDKM mode. God Serena > Natsu (I don't have any doubt about it).

Marin could undo his FDKM spell in a blink of an eye.

Anyway, Natsu will be defeated by Neinhart's corpses spam. Mard Geer, Hades, Zero, Jackal & Zancrow >>> Natsu.



Her speed and attack increases. You make it sound like she has zero defense. Once she is in Etherious form and her Enhancement is activated, she'll oneshot others.



Neinhart's Historia of Corpses and Wahl's Weakness does affect space.



Kyôka is on a whole other level than Tempesta. In the end, Tempesta was fodderized by Laxus and Gray. Kyôka will use her Sensation Curse on Gray and he'll scream. Gray could solo Base Kyôka but won't defeat Kyôka without extreme high diff. I'd rank DeS Gray more or less equal with Etherious Kyôka atm.
How can Marin do anything to FDKM Natsu when his aura alone can burn a Spriggan.
Neinhart can't bring Mard Geer.It's a truth.He could have brought Mard Geer against Erza which he couldn't do.So he can't bring Mard Geer.
Hades will not be able to do anything to Natsu when a grievously injured laxus can defeat Hades.
So you think Zancrow whom Meldy defeated can do anything to Natsu.Both Zero and Jackal is below Bluenote.
 

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Kyôka is on a whole other level than Tempesta. In the end, Tempesta was fodderized by Laxus and Gray. Kyôka will use her Sensation Curse on Gray and he'll scream. Gray could solo Base Kyôka but won't defeat Kyôka without extreme high diff. I'd rank DeS Gray more or less equal with Etherious Kyôka atm.
If Gray can demonise and nullify Momento Mori, I'm sure he can shrug anything Kyoka can do.

Current Gray is superior to Tartarus Gray, by a good margin. Tartarus Gray could handle base Mard, and base Mard would account for Kyoka. Just one DeS secret art would defeat Kyoka... and that's Tartarus Gray. Current Gray would low diff Kyoka, in my opinion. The slayer advantage and Gray's current power level is far too much for someone like Kyoka, who isn't Mard Geer's level.
 

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Natsu burns them all with DF - except Neinhart perhaps as we don't really know what makes him/her/it tick yet.
 

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No, Natsu didn't took Jacob down in one hit. See for yourself:




It may didn't do major damage, but it sure did damage to him. Natsu's FDKM attack didn't oneshot Jacob, which you can't deny.

Jura is one of the best defensive mage from Ishgar. Tbh, he could be the strongest when it comes to defense. Rock Mountain is extremely powerful when it comes to defense, since it could tank Grand Chariot with ease.

Natsu isn't stronger than God Serena. Natsu isn't stronger than the Four Gods of Ishgar, he wouldn't come further than defeating two of them when he uses FDKM mode. God Serena > Natsu (I don't have any doubt about it).

Marin could undo his FDKM spell in a blink of an eye.

Anyway, Natsu will be defeated by Neinhart's corpses spam. Mard Geer, Hades, Zero, Jackal & Zancrow >>> Natsu.



Her speed and attack increases. You make it sound like she has zero defense. Once she is in Etherious form and her Enhancement is activated, she'll oneshot others.



Neinhart's Historia of Corpses and Wahl's Weakness does affect space.



Kyôka is on a whole other level than Tempesta. In the end, Tempesta was fodderized by Laxus and Gray. Kyôka will use her Sensation Curse on Gray and he'll scream. Gray could solo Base Kyôka but won't defeat Kyôka without extreme high diff. I'd rank DeS Gray more or less equal with Etherious Kyôka atm.
Jacob wasn't even phased by those attacks, like they did next to nothing to him. Its a bit like the case of Gildarts vs Bluenote where people say Gildarts oneshotted Bluenote with one spell. If thats a one-shot, which most people say it is, then by Natsu only being serious for one attack like Gildarts v Bluenote, then Natsu essentially one-shotted Jacob in the same fashion.
As for Jura, again his best defensive spell has only been shown to stop Grand Chariot, which while a decent spell, is nowhere near the attacking potency of Natsu's FDK spells, meaning that a FDKM Natsu using a FDK spell could tear through it as FDK's Demolition Fist is far stronger than Grand Chariot, rendering Jura defenseless.
As for Natsu, God Serena and the other four gods, Natsu's durability feats are just as good, and his actual attacking feats are far greater than the gods. For example, Natsu had a hand in defeating a Spriggan. That trumps anything the Gods have done. Without feats for them, its absurd to say they're greater than arguably one of the strongest mages in Fiore right now. As Warrod said, its just a title, and there really isn't that much to say its anything more than that.

I don't think you understand what is meant by spacial magic. Spacial magic is only things like teleporting, requipping and summoning (e.g Celestial Spirits). No magic used by the others in the group falls under that category, so Marin can't do anything about it other than what he's shown in the manga, which is teleporting and restricting spacial magic. Therefore, he has nothing to "undo" Natsu's or anyone elses spells.

Read what Kyouka says. Her curse only increases her power, nothing more. Her etherious form would give her increased speed, but not her actual curse. And still, even then she is nowhere near where she needs to be to be able to oneshot others. She'd struggle to even oneshot Rogue.
 

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How can Marin do anything to FDKM Natsu when his aura alone can burn a Spriggan.
Neinhart can't bring Mard Geer.It's a truth.He could have brought Mard Geer against Erza which he couldn't do.So he can't bring Mard Geer.
Hades will not be able to do anything to Natsu when a grievously injured laxus can defeat Hades.
So you think Zancrow whom Meldy defeated can do anything to Natsu.Both Zero and Jackal is below Bluenote.
Do you seriously think Neinhart can't summon Mard Geer because he didn't appear before Erza? That's just baseless. Ofcourse he can summon Mard Geer.

Hades didn't go all out against Laxus.

Zero is far above Bluenote lol.

If Gray can demonise and nullify Momento Mori, I'm sure he can shrug anything Kyoka can do.

Current Gray is superior to Tartarus Gray, by a good margin. Tartarus Gray could handle base Mard, and base Mard would account for Kyoka. Just one DeS secret art would defeat Kyoka... and that's Tartarus Gray. Current Gray would low diff Kyoka, in my opinion. The slayer advantage and Gray's current power level is far too much for someone like Kyoka, who isn't Mard Geer's level.
Etherious Kyôka is (a lot) stronger than Base Mard, especially when it's in a long battle like a battle royale.

Because Gray is a Devil Slayer doesn't say he can easily defeat demons. Dragon Slayers can't defeat dragons as well. Once Kyôka uses Sensation Curse on Gray, he doesn't even have a chance to attack.

Jacob wasn't even phased by those attacks, like they did next to nothing to him. Its a bit like the case of Gildarts vs Bluenote where people say Gildarts oneshotted Bluenote with one spell. If thats a one-shot, which most people say it is, then by Natsu only being serious for one attack like Gildarts v Bluenote, then Natsu essentially one-shotted Jacob in the same fashion.
As for Jura, again his best defensive spell has only been shown to stop Grand Chariot, which while a decent spell, is nowhere near the attacking potency of Natsu's FDK spells, meaning that a FDKM Natsu using a FDK spell could tear through it as FDK's Demolition Fist is far stronger than Grand Chariot, rendering Jura defenseless.
As for Natsu, God Serena and the other four gods, Natsu's durability feats are just as good, and his actual attacking feats are far greater than the gods. For example, Natsu had a hand in defeating a Spriggan. That trumps anything the Gods have done. Without feats for them, its absurd to say they're greater than arguably one of the strongest mages in Fiore right now. As Warrod said, its just a title, and there really isn't that much to say its anything more than that.
It did do damage to him, which is a fact. He was hit by three spells before the final blow, which surely did damage to him. You can't deny that Natsu didn't oneshot Jacob. He isn't a Spriggan tier, yet.

Demolition Fist isn't 'far' stronger than Grand Chariot. Jura only used Rock Mountain once.

God Serena is stronger than Jacob and Natsu couldn't solo Jacob. Natsu isn't Spriggan tier, just like the Four Gods of Ishgar aren't.

I don't think you understand what is meant by spacial magic. Spacial magic is only things like teleporting, requipping and summoning (e.g Celestial Spirits). No magic used by the others in the group falls under that category, so Marin can't do anything about it other than what he's shown in the manga, which is teleporting and restricting spacial magic. Therefore, he has nothing to "undo" Natsu's or anyone elses spells.
My fault. I just readed the chapter again and it seems you're right. I've already changed my votes again xD.

Read what Kyouka says. Her curse only increases her power, nothing more. Her etherious form would give her increased speed, but not her actual curse. And still, even then she is nowhere near where she needs to be to be able to oneshot others. She'd struggle to even oneshot Rogue.
Yes, it increases her power. Who says power doesn't include feats like attack, defense and stamina?

She'll activate her Sensation Curse on Rogue. Bye Rogue.
 

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There's no proof that Jura has improved over the timeskip.
Yes, Natsu and Jellal trained indeed. But does this mean Jura didn't do anything in the one year time-skip? Grand Chariot may have been improved, but so has Jura's defense.

No one of the Gods of Ishgar is stronger than Jacob. But Natsu isn't stronger than Jacob as well.

1). He can't deal with Stealth alone.
2). He can't deal with Transport alone.

Natsu just can't solo the four strongest mages of Ishgar.





I have a question for both of you: Do you think Erza would've defeated Kyôka if she didn't receive a PoF power-up?

No, she wouldn't. In this battle royale, there is no mage who uses PoF to win fights (Natsu does sometimes, but it isn't a main factor in his fights). Face it, Kyôka is overpowered as hell.
There's no proof that Jura improved over the timeskip. His feats don't reflect it, and there has been no hype for him. In any case, GMG Jura didn't block an attack as powerful as the one Jellal threw at Neinhart. Natsu has feats of oneshotting someone who can trade blows with Gildarts, shattering a god, and taking out a Spriggan. Jellal at least has the ability to turn the sky to stars, and can more or less oneshot a Spriggan as well. Jura has shown nothing.

Natsu is stronger in Jacob when it comes to actual combat. He might not have a solution for transport, but he has managed to hit Jacob in stealth a few times. Either way, FDK mode's body heat would prevent Jacob from even getting close to him with stealth. If Natsu can take out Jacob with Demolition Fist, and it's pretty obvious he did the vast majority of the damage to Jacob, he can take out any of the 4 Ishgar Saints. From there on, it's only a matter of AoE and managing to hit them.

In a straight up fight, meaning without her senses stolen, Erza would have beaten Kyouka 10/10. She wouldn't have been blind or deaf, and therefore waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay far better off. With PoF, Erza was somehow able to sense Kyouka's location after having her senses stolen. This has nothing to do with Erza's attack power. Erza used PoF against Azuma, Hades, Kagura, Minerva, and Ajeel. Her attacks wasn't any stronger against Kyouka than against any of them, and still isn't any stronger than a casual roar from Natsu, any attack from assault Wahl, Neinhart's blast, or Chelia's mestu-kami ogi.
 

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Etherious Kyôka is (a lot) stronger than Base Mard, especially when it's in a long battle like a battle royale.

Because Gray is a Devil Slayer doesn't say he can easily defeat demons. Dragon Slayers can't defeat dragons as well. Once Kyôka uses Sensation Curse on Gray, he doesn't even have a chance to attack.
I wasn't really comapring Mard and Kyoka for the royale, but about how easy it would be for Gray to beat them. Gray would handle Kyoka easier than he would Mard.

I'm not sure about the sensation curse working. Gray can defend against curses by demonising, like he did to Momento Mori. So I doubt Kyoka can do anything to Gray that involves curses.
 

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Do you seriously think Neinhart can't summon Mard Geer because he didn't appear before Erza? That's just baseless. Ofcourse he can summon Mard Geer.

Hades didn't go all out against Laxus.

Zero is far above Bluenote lol.



Etherious Kyôka is (a lot) stronger than Base Mard, especially when it's in a long battle like a battle royale.

Because Gray is a Devil Slayer doesn't say he can easily defeat demons. Dragon Slayers can't defeat dragons as well. Once Kyôka uses Sensation Curse on Gray, he doesn't even have a chance to attack.



It did do damage to him, which is a fact. He was hit by three spells before the final blow, which surely did damage to him. You can't deny that Natsu didn't oneshot Jacob. He isn't a Spriggan tier, yet.

Demolition Fist isn't 'far' stronger than Grand Chariot. Jura only used Rock Mountain once.

God Serena is stronger than Jacob and Natsu couldn't solo Jacob. Natsu isn't Spriggan tier, just like the Four Gods of Ishgar aren't.



My fault. I just readed the chapter again and it seems you're right. I've already changed my votes again xD.



Yes, it increases her power. Who says power doesn't include feats like attack, defense and stamina?

She'll activate her Sensation Curse on Rogue. Bye Rogue.
1)Speculating is not right here.What if i say Neinhart can bring 7 Dragons from GMG.You can say Neinhart may bring Igneel to battle Natsu.We should deal with what we have seen not speculating.He can't bring Mard Geer what ever the reasons might be.Either it is beyond his MP or as Mard Geer's Book was completely destroyed.
2)There is no reason to believe Hades was holding back against laxus.There is no evidence in the manga.Neinhart brought Hades without heart not the version which had heart.So he is that much strong.
3)You can't say Natsu who had to hold back his power inside the guild to claim that he is not Spriggan level.He used only a single attack to take down Jacob a Spriggan.compare this with God Serena who used 3 Spells+No. of unnamed Spell/Spells offscreen.If you count the attacks of Natsulucy and Makarov inside the guild gets equalled.Especially Jacob had no visible damages on his body while Jura and GOI were lying on the ground with visible damages on their bodies.God Serena was no obligation to do the same.Natsu and Lucy both had taken more damage than Jacob did.Natsu had casually shown mountain level feats.Most of the feats of Spriggans are city level like Ajeel's sandstorm.Some Spriggans are mountain level like God Serena.
4)Zero was stronger than Bluenote.Bluenote who came very close to Gildarts in combat weaker than Zero.Yeah that may be right if Zero is on the level of Gildarts.What feat does Zero have to put above Bluenote.Has Zero casually destroyed a hill or closely fought a mage on the level of Gildarts.He got defeated by Natsu who ate a portion of power from Nirvana Arc Jellal.
Let us give you the stats of Bluenote
Attack potency
Casually submerged the "Grimoire Heart" airship under sand leaving a crater with this measurement),casued a 21.5 tonne crater in the ground,far greater than any Dark Capricio which is city block level to small town level and this is large town level feat,likely higher (was a close match up for Gildarts), city level with Black Hole

Speed: At least Hypersonic+ (can keep up with Gildarts)

Lifting Strength: Class G+ with Gravity Magic

Striking Strength: Class PJ (a single collision of fists between Gildarts and Bluenote caused the same energy output as best Spells of Mira.)
So does Zero have any feats to match this?
Now let us take Bluenote's durability by calculating Empyrean
Feat

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/238/15

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/238/16

Calc








Panel height = 600 px.

Panel Width = 512 px

Cloud hole width = 256 px

Now,
work for me. I will just get Leg length.

Here Bluenotes Leg = 100 px = 1.170509 meter.

Now, Blunotes Leg = 20 px

22.13 seconds

Timeframe when Bluenote reached 25 meter = (22.13/2400)*25.075 = 0.2312123 seconds

Cloud Parting speed =3101.04480 m/s

KE = .5*3239806800.73679437*3101.04480^2

K.E = 15577766887123905.296866 Joules

K.E = 3.723175642 Megatons


Final Tally

Gildarts Punch = 3.723175642 Megatons
Bluenote took this and still survived.The same attack that destroyed a mountain.Zero has not shown any durabilty like this.And Natsu one shotted this Bluenote with ease with an attack stronger than Empyrean.So Natsu can easily one shot Zero.
 
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There's no proof that Jura improved over the timeskip. His feats don't reflect it, and there has been no hype for him. In any case, GMG Jura didn't block an attack as powerful as the one Jellal threw at Neinhart. Natsu has feats of oneshotting someone who can trade blows with Gildarts, shattering a god, and taking out a Spriggan. Jellal at least has the ability to turn the sky to stars, and can more or less oneshot a Spriggan as well. Jura has shown nothing.
True, but what are you trying to say now? It's still no proof that Jura can't block Natsu FDKM spells with Rock Mountain.

Natsu is stronger in Jacob when it comes to actual combat. He might not have a solution for transport, but he has managed to hit Jacob in stealth a few times. Either way, FDK mode's body heat would prevent Jacob from even getting close to him with stealth. If Natsu can take out Jacob with Demolition Fist, and it's pretty obvious he did the vast majority of the damage to Jacob, he can take out any of the 4 Ishgar Saints. From there on, it's only a matter of AoE and managing to hit them.
When did Natsu hit Jacob while he was in Stealth without help?

Transport is part of Jacob's magic. In a solo fight, Natsu will lose directly to Jacob. You can't deny this. So no, Natsu isn't Spriggan tier.

In a straight up fight, meaning without her senses stolen, Erza would have beaten Kyouka 10/10. She wouldn't have been blind or deaf, and therefore waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay far better off. With PoF, Erza was somehow able to sense Kyouka's location after having her senses stolen. This has nothing to do with Erza's attack power. Erza used PoF against Azuma, Hades, Kagura, Minerva, and Ajeel. Her attacks wasn't any stronger against Kyouka than against any of them, and still isn't any stronger than a casual roar from Natsu, any attack from assault Wahl, Neinhart's blast, or Chelia's mestu-kami ogi.
Exactly, if PoF wasn't included, Erza would've lost. Kyôka >>> Base Erza.

I wasn't really comapring Mard and Kyoka for the royale, but about how easy it would be for Gray to beat them. Gray would handle Kyoka easier than he would Mard.
When did Gray handle Mard with ease?

I'm not sure about the sensation curse working. Gray can defend against curses by demonising, like he did to Momento Mori. So I doubt Kyoka can do anything to Gray that involves curses.
Gray could disable Momento Mori because it didn't work on demons, not because it was a curse. In fact, curses does work on demons. Both Kyôka and Seilah could use their curse against Demon Minerva.
 

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Why are there still debates on whether or not Natsu is Spriggan tier?? What more proof does the guy need to show that he is???

1. Natsu- FDK mode makes him the top dog here
2. Wahl- CQC feats are on par with Laxus's
3. Gray (hyp atm since he doesn't have much feats)
4. TO Chelia- While her attacks on Dimaria were boosted due to the slayer advantage, her CQC is still on par with Dimaria's
 

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True, but what are you trying to say now? It's still no proof that Jura can't block Natsu FDKM spells with Rock Mountain.



When did Natsu hit Jacob while he was in Stealth without help?

Transport is part of Jacob's magic. In a solo fight, Natsu will lose directly to Jacob. You can't deny this. So no, Natsu isn't Spriggan tier.



Exactly, if PoF wasn't included, Erza would've lost. Kyôka >>> Base Erza.
You need proof to say that it does, not that it doesn't. Jura's feats don't match up to par with Natsu's.

Jacob is not always in stealth, and during the times he is not Natsu can hit him.

Transport has nothing to do with Jacob's actual abilities as a fighter, so saying that Natsu would lose to Jacob because he has no defense for transportation is completely missing the point.

PoF is always included when the protagonists are involved. Erza would beat Kyouka in a 1v1. Kyouka's attacks are not sufficient in keeping Erza down, and Erza's attacks can take Kyouka down. This was pre-timeskip, and Erza's current attacks are inferior to Natsu's or Wahl's.
 

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This one was a bit tough, but again going with (IMO) sheer magical power and combat proficiency, I'd take:
  1. Natsu Dragneel : Because Duh... ^^. Someone who would take out Bluenote with a single "roar" of fire (and that's just one example) is simply unbelievably strong. After one year of training, Natsu has certainly proven himself to be one of the top tier mages currently alive, and he still didn't show his full power, not to mention E.N.D.
  2. Wahl icht : If being a spriggan was not enough, he's also one of the strongests among the group.
  3. Gray Fullbuster : He still didn't show the real fruits of his training, that's why I'm putting him third. But with devil slaying magic and one year of training, this puts him on a high level, and certainly able to handle the likes of my fourth choice here, which is:
  4. Kyoka : Was one of the strongest demons of Zeref, if not the second strongest.
Honorable mention : Sheria. With third origin and god slaying magic she will ceratinly give even the best a run for their money.
I would also like to add as a side note that Neinhart IMO is not that strong, for example if he faced someone who never killed an enemy (like Lucy), then he would be quite useless. So he would finish last in this list.
 
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Hmm, I think Natsu is obviously a no brainer in this scenario, he's already shown that he's on Spriggan 12 level (although this is only if he enters Blaze Dragon King Mode), his base form is pretty much below Spriggan 12 level...
Kyouka is number 2, her Strengthening Curse can pretty much turn anyone into a puppet like what she did to the entirety of Succubus Eye, the only reason Erza didn't outrightly turn into one despite being under Kyoka's curse several times was because she was strong enough to withstand it, none of the other characters in this list has durability feats like Erza..
Sherria Blendy (Third Origin), she's on the same level as the Spriggan 12, so I'm definitely putting her in the top 4..
Wahl Icht, his Weakness Magic can pretty much enable him to find weaknesses in any of the contestants...plus his Assault Form has some seriously OP attacks, he can fire freaking Etherion! I honestly don't think anyone on this list can tank Etherion and live
 

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You need proof to say that it does, not that it doesn't. Jura's feats don't match up to par with Natsu's.

Jacob is not always in stealth, and during the times he is not Natsu can hit him.

Transport has nothing to do with Jacob's actual abilities as a fighter, so saying that Natsu would lose to Jacob because he has no defense for transportation is completely missing the point.

PoF is always included when the protagonists are involved. Erza would beat Kyouka in a 1v1. Kyouka's attacks are not sufficient in keeping Erza down, and Erza's attacks can take Kyouka down. This was pre-timeskip, and Erza's current attacks are inferior to Natsu's or Wahl's.
Exactly, Natsu can only attack him once he doesn't use Stealth. Jacob would oneshot Natsu thanks to Transport, a spell that is part of his magic. I don't know what you're trying to say, but Natsu won't solo Jacob.

Kyôka's attack is far better than Erza's once her Enhancement Curse is activated. Kyôka will grow stronger every second that passes, she could even become far above Spriggan tier. Kyôka will grow stronger than anyone in this fight at some time, which is a fact.
 

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Logic? Marin lost to Cana and Lucy.
He lost to Cana & Lucy because he was miniaturized, pretty sure anyone in that state is weakened horribly
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Natsu's FDK Spell in his base state completely shattered Ikusa-Tsunagi a mountain sized traget into pieces.Moreover when he came to GMG arena he melted all rocks.So melting Jura's rocks is not much difficult.So one shotting him in his base state is not much difficult like he did to Bluenote.Natsu can solo all GOI and Jura at the same time especially when his FDK Spells alone(i am leaving FDKM now)surpasses God Serena's Spells both in Destructive property and AOE.And how can Kyoka defeat Current Natsu when Tartaros Arc Erza defeated her.You may call that battle PIS but the fact still remains that Erza soloed her.A Base Fire Dragon Roar that one shotted Bluenote will incinerate Kyoka.
Natsu used his strongest attack to destroy Ikusutsanagi, its the same attack he used to defeat Jacob, I honestly don't think defeating Ikusutsanagi should be counted as a feat, pretty much anyone from Team Natsu except maybe Wendy and Lucy could have destroyed the summon..
About melting the Stadium, Natsu melted mere rocks, Jura uses magic in his rocks, I dont think Natsu will melt Jura's rocks so easily..
Natsu can't solo the GOI, what can he do against Hyberion?
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How can Marin do anything to FDKM Natsu when his aura alone can burn a Spriggan.
Neinhart can't bring Mard Geer.It's a truth.He could have brought Mard Geer against Erza which he couldn't do.So he can't bring Mard Geer.
Hades will not be able to do anything to Natsu when a grievously injured laxus can defeat Hades.
So you think Zancrow whom Meldy defeated can do anything to Natsu.Both Zero and Jackal is below Bluenote.
Why would NeinHart have to bring Mard Geer against Erza? She only met him once, I hardly think he would be someone she would remember till date like say, Hades
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Why are there still debates on whether or not Natsu is Spriggan tier?? What more proof does the guy need to show that he is???

1. Natsu- FDK mode makes him the top dog here
2. Wahl- CQC feats are on par with Laxus's
3. Gray (hyp atm since he doesn't have much feats)
4. TO Chelia- While her attacks on Dimaria were boosted due to the slayer advantage, her CQC is still on par with Dimaria's
Because base Natsu isn't on Spriggan 12 level, he has to enter FDKM mode to even stand a chance of fighting on par with them, its not the same case like someone like say Laxus, who casually one shotted Azir with a swipe of his hand
 

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Natsu- Anyone who says he isn't Spriggan Level is just a troll. His FDKM had shown to take out Spriggan, gods, 100000 fodder, as well as dry up a lake and melt pbysical objects just by being around him

Kyoka -because of curse.

Grey- his Devil Slayer Magic makes him a duel threat

Wahl- Because he should have destroyed Laxus if it wasnt for some bs ass pull thats Lightning thats not lightning lol
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Why are there still debates on whether or not Natsu is Spriggan tier?? What more proof does the guy need to show that he is???

1. Natsu- FDK mode makes him the top dog here
2. Wahl- CQC feats are on par with Laxus's
3. Gray (hyp atm since he doesn't have much feats)
4. TO Chelia- While her attacks on Dimaria were boosted due to the slayer advantage, her CQC is still on par with Dimaria's

Just trolls.
Just like in the 4th Great Ninja War of Naruto when he was taking out kage level opponents and people were still saying he wasnt kage level lol. We just gotta ignore the trolls honestly. Their are a few people here that are so idiotic that trying to reason with them will get you no where.

Natsu is obviously spriggan level for the people that read and truly understand the manga.
 

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He lost to Cana & Lucy because he was miniaturized, pretty sure anyone in that state is weakened horribly
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Natsu used his strongest attack to destroy Ikusutsanagi, its the same attack he used to defeat Jacob, I honestly don't think defeating Ikusutsanagi should be counted as a feat, pretty much anyone from Team Natsu except maybe Wendy and Lucy could have destroyed the summon..
About melting the Stadium, Natsu melted mere rocks, Jura uses magic in his rocks, I dont think Natsu will melt Jura's rocks so easily..
Natsu can't solo the GOI, what can he do against Hyberion?
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Why would NeinHart have to bring Mard Geer against Erza? She only met him once, I hardly think he would be someone she would remember till date like say, Hades
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Because base Natsu isn't on Spriggan 12 level, he has to enter FDKM mode to even stand a chance of fighting on par with them, its not the same case like someone like say Laxus, who casually one shotted Azir with a swipe of his hand
Marin wasn't shrunk.
 
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