The point is you are underestimating BKDM Natsu when he never failed to 1 shot anyone based on a false resolution
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if this is bs then all of your assumptions and drama about Jellal > Natsu are just as bad
Yupp, even in your manga panels the tower is still there completely in tact. Yes, Natsu did some good amount of internal damage. But to say he destroyed? That's a bad choice of words.
No, I'm just saying there wasn't much that happened in the Tartarus DF (as it was so short) that didn't happen in the ToH DF. I'm sure there were more power behind his attacks, but we did not gain much new information.
Give me a sound argument as to how Natsu wouldn't fall prey to Jacob's hax. Then question whether I'm reading a different manga, because I could say the same to you!
ToH DF and Tartarus DF are very different, ToH DF used the Etherion charged Lacrima to give Natsu an extreme boost to his Magic Power putting him into DF. Tartarus DF happened because Gray's apparent 'death' emotionally invoked DF which ran off Natsu's own MP instead of being super charged by Etherion. ToH DF definately had more power behind it relative to Natsu's power level at the time.
Correct, Etherion gave Natsu a power boost in MP only, which allowed him to maintain the DF longer, by no means gave him a power boost in 'general' (speed, attack or durability wise) any more than emotion-triggered DF. The only difference being that, while the two types of DF spend the same amount of MP, if it is triggered by pure magic, then it kind of fills your MP gauge.
Well not instantly, but the tower was crumbling and about to be destroyed, and that was from TOH DF Natsu's punch, so wouldn't you say that current Natsu, who dwarfs TOH DF Natsu in power(even in base mode), could destroy the thing with demolition fist?
Jacob couldn't do shit against BDKM Natsu, Tell me How Jacob will defeat BKDM and you didn't see the extent of BDKM not even DF Natsu ?
I will hereby kill your entire argument in one sentence.
I said I don't know. I feel like his roar could, since it's an attack like abyss break, but demolition fist is more of a piercing attack.
No, you're wrong Raven. Jacob could easily have clapped his hands together and defeated Natsu the reason Mashima didn't bother to do it? They were on the last page of the chapter. Simple as that, he cut the fight to end there. The whole fight in itself was a disgrace.
Easy. Jacob joins the palms of his hands, sends him to another dimension. By means of stealth, he goes invisible, cuts his neck.
So what? It's not like you """killing""" my argument gives Natsu any more chance to beat Jacob on a 1 vs 1 lol
So what? As if I'm talking about the relevance it had in the manga... I'm just saying Jacob would beat Natsu on a 1 vs 1.
His clothes were burnt save his underwear and yes, he was KOed (not like I'm questioning FDKM's punch being a spriggan-level attack) but he was still in one piece.
It's like you are suggesting that on a 1 vs 1, Neinhart would defeat Jellal; whereas Jellal can defeat all the historias rather easily, as he did with O6; or he can go directly to the main body, or he can cast a large AoE attack that kills all of them at once...
Not like Bora was portrayed as a very strong mage either lol... Besides, beginning of series Natsu was strong but not a big deal either... Macao had finished 19 Vulcans on his own and I'm not sure to what extent beginning of series Natsu would've been able to achieve such a feat before being taken over in the same fashion as Macao haha
Very well but I was not using plot to defend my argument... It still stands... Jacob is superior to Natsu... not phisically, not in durability, not in attack potence, but in hax.
Simply he will enter BDKM and melt all his weapons, try again
In one of the days in GMG an entire city was hosted in that stadium.This was commented by Gray i think.Infact the concerned person was surprised on seeing a city rising in that stadium.ToH DF and Tartarus DF are very different, ToH DF used the Etherion charged Lacrima to give Natsu an extreme boost to his Magic Power putting him into DF. Tartarus DF happened because Gray's apparent 'death' emotionally invoked DF which ran off Natsu's own MP instead of being super charged by Etherion. ToH DF definately had more power behind it relative to Natsu's power level at the time.
I don't know what you are talking about when you claim that the GMG arena is as big as a city. Does the arena here:look anywhere near as big as this?:
Like, you can even just look at the first image to see how tiny the arena is compared to Crocus (which probably isn't even big enough to be considered a city by real-life standards).
Alright, that when Jacob uses stealth, and provided Natsu activates BDKM even before he throws the knife.
Again with the assumptions and drama ? who told you jacob can overcome Natsu even in his dimenison, he just change places. Natsu can kill Jellal and Jacob in a blink of an eye with a king fire roar. Jellal or Jacob can't endure this.
So Jacob uses Stealth and Natsu is in FDKM. If Jacob used a knife, whats to say it wouldn't just melt like the knife he threw at Lucy at the start of the fight? Even if he did move Natsu to his pocket dimension, its still not certain what goes on there so Natsu's magic could well still work there so he mightn't be able to kill him due to Natsu being able to melt his weapons.
This depends on how you want to look at it.
I'd probably use plot as an argument for power ups (like Igneel's MP), but probably not for this. I mean you can just say Natsu didn't solo Jacob, which is true.
You're the one assuming. It's Hiro who had to use Happy to prevent Jacob from using his spatial magic, proving it would be quite the win for Jacob if used.
That knife still pierced through Natsu's arm.
I'm loving your post!This is my opinion on pre-skip DF Natsu and pre-skip Jellal.... they're both oneshottable by X792 base Natsu.
Other than speed (for meteor and DF), they would stack up quite poorly compared to current Jellal and Natsu.
Think about how strong Jellal is in Tartarus. He wasn't as strong as Gildarts. He'd probably beat Bluenote with high difficulty. Physically, Bluenote would have better feats than Tartarus Jellal. X792 Base Natsu can therefore oneshot Jellal with a roar. Simply put, current Jellal/Natsu would low diff pre-skip Jellal.
So I wouldn't really bother at all with those pre-skip feats. Unless you want to say Jellal and Natsu have their former levels magically and physically... which is obviously not the case.
Jellal and Natsu should have better durability right now. It seems to get better when you train. And we know Natsu trained as much as he could, and it seems Jellal trained a fair bit too.
This depends on how you want to look at it.
Imo, Tartarus DF >= Etherion DF Natsu. For mine it comes down the amount of scales/dragonification Natsu has undergone. Essentially he's more dragon in Tartarus than he was at the ToH. Mard took on more powerful attacks than Jellal did imo. Of course there is more MP in the ToH version, which is why I put it as >= and not >. The extra MP I believe will allow ToH DF to last longer, but not necessarily be a stronger mode.
Wendy also has 2 stages of DF in X792, and the more dragonised form is the stronger one.
I'd probably use plot as an argument for power ups (like Igneel's MP), but probably not for this. I mean you can just say Natsu didn't solo Jacob, which is true.