Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[sharkai]

Mira saying her and Erza together is weaker than Jura is completely different from Sting ignorantly saying he could beat Acnologia when he hadn't even seen him. Get a new counter argument instead of saying HYPE HUUR HYPE DOESN'T MATTER. Stamentts=/=Hype.

Erza in the GMG doesn't have better feats than Jura lol.

Unsuspecting? Orga edged him on and was fully prepared to fight Jura, while Orga is weaker than Kagura and Minerva that doesn't mean Jura one shotting Orga isn't more impressive. Erza herself struggled greatly in both fights.


Erza has never been a 'top tier' even BoS she was nowhere near Makarov. Don't use the battle of Fairy Tail arc as fact, Makarov thought himself Gray stood a chance against Laxus. As for Mystogun he never said Erza was on Laxus' level he just said she wasn't weak, that's it. Gray himself implies the top two that arc was Mystogun or Laxus, while Erza near the start of the series said Natsu himself was equal or a bit stronger than her and he was no match for Laxus on his own.


Laxus hasn't done anything Erza could have? LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Erza wouldn't stomp Natsu and Gajeel at the same time during the Fighting Festival, but Laxus was. Erza stood no chance against Base Hades on her own, but guess what? Laxus did, heck Laxus done better than Natsu+Gray+Erza+ Lucy and Wendy did by himself. Tenrou Laxus>Tenrou Team Natsu before Natsu got LFD.


Portrayal, common sense and feats puts Laxus>>Erza during the GMG and pretty much throughout the whole series.


In the first skip everyone didn't grow the same either, Jellal being out for 4 years was pulled out of your ass. Nothing IMPLIES EVERYONE GREW THE SAME AMOUNT.

Natsu can't stand every GC and that's baseless.


You say I don't understand Fairy Tail when you have one of the poorest reading comprehensions on this site...

First I would like to thank you for finally bring something from the manga.


You are right?
Sting never saw Aconologia. And we all know Mira was personal secretary of Jura who also has been keeping tab on Ezra powers, right? She was obviously not saying it because of his WS title which we all know is the most reliable scale for power ranking. Afterall no one can defeat 10th WS other 9th or higher WS.

Ezra have durability feat from GMG.
She pretty much one shoted Minerva and kinda kagura (kagura wasn't really injured before that).
She also has endurance feat from GMG.
And of course she has many feats before that arc.
Meanwhile Jura has no endurance feat or durability feat. He is pretty much a glass cannon.
So yeah Jura feats aren't >> Ezra

I believe ogra requested Jura to block his cannon. Instead of blocking it, Jura side stepped it and blitzed him. So yeah unsuspecting ogra was one shoted by Jura.
It depends on what you find more impressive. Kagura Jupiter tier attack was much more impressive than any attack Jura used in that fight. Especially since something like Jupiter should seriously injure if not down right kill pre ts laxus.


BoS Ezra wasn't near markarov, so wasn't laxus. So?
Markarov said don't underestimate gray to laxus that's all. Completely different when he said Ezra could take him out.
The context of mystogan statement?
gray never said Ezra is weaker than laxus. And natsu was nowhere near Ezra before this time skip as shown multiple time in the manga.
With so many fake hypes or statement or whatever, why should I believe that one. Pretty sure laxus thought evergreen could finish off Ezra lol

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How do you know Ezra wont stomp both at the same time. She did one shot full powered aria who was low diffing natsu. And that wasn't even her strongest attack. Unlike laxus who needed to beat the crap out of gajeel, then use his two most strongest pre ts attacks to put him down.
Hell if everything fails Ezra can still go racer on there asses.
I quite remember that in s class exams every s class had to fight two non s class and still hold back. So its not such a huge deal.

Tenru laxus > tenru team natsu.
Damn I forgot about that.
Of course laxus performed better than them combined. It seems I was defending an indefensible position. I am sorry.
Though I do have a question
If whatever happens before a fight doesn't matter
Like Ezra
Toying with juvia and lisana till they gave up
Fighting huge amount of soldiers
Exchanging a blow or two with meredy
Going all out against Azuma who would also use fairy tail power including gildarts against her till she was seriously injured and was having problem taking even a step.

And like laxus
Who exchange three to four blows against mystogan
Exchange a blow or two with Ezra
Fought natsu and gajeel but still not really being injured
Use fairy law.

But since we agree that non of that matters.
Natsu defeated laxus after that.
So that makes
Natsu > laxus
And we also know
Laxus > Ezra + natsu + gray + Lucy + Wendy.
So how does this exactly work.
Natsu is stronger than laxus but laxus is stronger than all of them combined. Just weird you know.

There is no portrayal that puts laxus above Ezra.
His feats are lacking too.
And we already talked about hype.

Then who grew how much in that time skip.
I like how you caught the irrelevant 4 year thing. Yes it could be wrong. But that wont effect my point at all.
And of course main character in a shonen manga will obviously improve less than an irrelevant character like jellal

Please don't talk about common sense and reading comprehension , obviously I cannot ever reach your intellectual level.

 

[Demon Hunter]

while it is impressive that Mirajane's MP alone was drying up the sea, she didn't dried all of it. as Escanors Pride said, it was in the process which means it was far from over. Natsu was starting to evaporate the lake. he didn't evaporate it instantly. he entered BDKM and punched Jacob with Demolition Fist. that was the moment where he truly vaporized the lake. if Mira used some kind of aura, then there would be a high chance that she could dry up a large portion of the sea.

 

[Boomburst]

First I would like to thank you for finally bring something from the manga.


You are right?
Sting never saw Aconologia. And we all know Mira was personal secretary of Jura who also has been keeping tab on Ezra powers, right? She was obviously not saying it because of his WS title which we all know is the most reliable scale for power ranking. Afterall no one can defeat 10th WS other 9th or higher WS.

Ezra have durability feat from GMG.
She pretty much one shoted Minerva and kinda kagura (kagura wasn't really injured before that).
She also has endurance feat from GMG.
And of course she has many feats before that arc.
Meanwhile Jura has no endurance feat or durability feat. He is pretty much a glass cannon.
So yeah Jura feats aren't >> Ezra

I believe ogra requested Jura to block his cannon. Instead of blocking it, Jura side stepped it and blitzed him. So yeah unsuspecting ogra was one shoted by Jura.
It depends on what you find more impressive. Kagura Jupiter tier attack was much more impressive than any attack Jura used in that fight. Especially since something like Jupiter should seriously injure if not down right kill pre ts laxus.


BoS Ezra wasn't near markarov, so wasn't laxus. So?
Markarov said don't underestimate gray to laxus that's all. Completely different when he said Ezra could take him out.
The context of mystogan statement?
gray never said Ezra is weaker than laxus. And natsu was nowhere near Ezra before this time skip as shown multiple time in the manga.
With so many fake hypes or statement or whatever, why should I believe that one. Pretty sure laxus thought evergreen could finish off Ezra lol

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How do you know Ezra wont stomp both at the same time. She did one shot full powered aria who was low diffing natsu. And that wasn't even her strongest attack. Unlike laxus who needed to beat the crap out of gajeel, then use his two most strongest pre ts attacks to put him down.
Hell if everything fails Ezra can still go racer on there asses.
I quite remember that in s class exams every s class had to fight two non s class and still hold back. So its not such a huge deal.

Tenru laxus > tenru team natsu.
Damn I forgot about that.
Of course laxus performed better than them combined. It seems I was defending an indefensible position. I am sorry.
Though I do have a question
If whatever happens before a fight doesn't matter
Like Ezra
Toying with juvia and lisana till they gave up
Fighting huge amount of soldiers
Exchanging a blow or two with meredy
Going all out against Azuma who would also use fairy tail power including gildarts against her till she was seriously injured and was having problem taking even a step.

And like laxus
Who exchange three to four blows against mystogan
Exchange a blow or two with Ezra
Fought natsu and gajeel but still not really being injured
Use fairy law.

But since we agree that non of that matters.
Natsu defeated laxus after that.
So that makes
Natsu > laxus
And we also know
Laxus > Ezra + natsu + gray + Lucy + Wendy.
So how does this exactly work.
Natsu is stronger than laxus but laxus is stronger than all of them combined. Just weird you know.

There is no portrayal that puts laxus above Ezra.
His feats are lacking too.
And we already talked about hype.

Then who grew how much in that time skip.
I like how you caught the irrelevant 4 year thing. Yes it could be wrong. But that wont effect my point at all.
And of course main character in a shonen manga will obviously improve less than an irrelevant character like jellal

Please don't talk about common sense and reading comprehension , obviously I cannot ever reach your intellectual level.

Just because Natsu ended up beating Laxus during the FF arc doesn't mean that he's stronger. Laxus only lost because he was fighting two people at once and he wasted a huge amount of magic energy casting a spell that ended up doing nothing.

 

[sharkai]

Just because Natsu ended up beating Laxus during the FF arc doesn't mean that he's stronger. Laxus only lost because he was fighting two people at once and he wasted a huge amount of magic energy casting a spell that ended up doing nothing.

Dude! read, for gad sake man.
I said if past events don't matter. Only then
Natsu > laxus

 

[Boomburst]

Dude! read, for gad sake man.
I said if past events don't matter. Only then
Natsu > laxus

Oh sorry, I didn't catch that, my bad. Although to be fair, the structure of your posts is a bit difficult to follow :/

 

[sharkai]

Oh sorry, I didn't catch that, my bad. Although to be fair, the structure of your posts is a bit difficult to follow :/

Sorry about that. I just tried to follow the other guy. Tried to keep the order same but with so many points this tend to happen.
Do you have some points which you can contribute to our argument.

We basically are arguing whether Jura was Mira + Ezra in GMG arc or just one of those false hype.

 

[Char]

@sharkai

I do agree if either Mira or Erza or both state that GMG Mira + GMG Erza might have or would have problems taking GMG Jura down, it's because they might/would.

I don't know about you but I don't see how it's so hare-brained to think this way. IMO it's true that GMG Mira + GMG Erza might actually = GMG Jura. Or maybe be slightly superior but, I mean, on that league.

GMG Erza, GMG Mira, GMG Minerva, GMG Orga, GMG Kagura... they're all one tier below GMG Jura or GMG Jellal / GMG Laxus for that matter. Now, make any possible combination of 2 from the first group and make them face GMG Jura/Laxus/Jellal, I can see a proper battle.

The thing is, after this timeskip, Jura has stayed the same (or slightly improved) while, from the list of ladies/Orga, they've all probably escalated a couple of tiers or more...

 

[Stormsfury]

First I would like to thank you for finally bring something from the manga.


You are right?
Sting never saw Aconologia. And we all know Mira was personal secretary of Jura who also has been keeping tab on Ezra powers, right? She was obviously not saying it because of his WS title which we all know is the most reliable scale for power ranking. Afterall no one can defeat 10th WS other 9th or higher WS.

Ezra have durability feat from GMG.
She pretty much one shoted Minerva and kinda kagura (kagura wasn't really injured before that).
She also has endurance feat from GMG.
And of course she has many feats before that arc.
Meanwhile Jura has no endurance feat or durability feat. He is pretty much a glass cannon.
So yeah Jura feats aren't >> Ezra

I believe ogra requested Jura to block his cannon. Instead of blocking it, Jura side stepped it and blitzed him. So yeah unsuspecting ogra was one shoted by Jura.
It depends on what you find more impressive. Kagura Jupiter tier attack was much more impressive than any attack Jura used in that fight. Especially since something like Jupiter should seriously injure if not down right kill pre ts laxus.


BoS Ezra wasn't near markarov, so wasn't laxus. So?
Markarov said don't underestimate gray to laxus that's all. Completely different when he said Ezra could take him out.
The context of mystogan statement?
gray never said Ezra is weaker than laxus. And natsu was nowhere near Ezra before this time skip as shown multiple time in the manga.
With so many fake hypes or statement or whatever, why should I believe that one. Pretty sure laxus thought evergreen could finish off Ezra lol

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How do you know Ezra wont stomp both at the same time. She did one shot full powered aria who was low diffing natsu. And that wasn't even her strongest attack. Unlike laxus who needed to beat the crap out of gajeel, then use his two most strongest pre ts attacks to put him down.
Hell if everything fails Ezra can still go racer on there asses.
I quite remember that in s class exams every s class had to fight two non s class and still hold back. So its not such a huge deal.

Tenru laxus > tenru team natsu.
Damn I forgot about that.
Of course laxus performed better than them combined. It seems I was defending an indefensible position. I am sorry.
Though I do have a question
If whatever happens before a fight doesn't matter
Like Ezra
Toying with juvia and lisana till they gave up
Fighting huge amount of soldiers
Exchanging a blow or two with meredy
Going all out against Azuma who would also use fairy tail power including gildarts against her till she was seriously injured and was having problem taking even a step.

And like laxus
Who exchange three to four blows against mystogan
Exchange a blow or two with Ezra
Fought natsu and gajeel but still not really being injured
Use fairy law.

But since we agree that non of that matters.
Natsu defeated laxus after that.
So that makes
Natsu > laxus
And we also know
Laxus > Ezra + natsu + gray + Lucy + Wendy.
So how does this exactly work.
Natsu is stronger than laxus but laxus is stronger than all of them combined. Just weird you know.

There is no portrayal that puts laxus above Ezra.
His feats are lacking too.
And we already talked about hype.

Then who grew how much in that time skip.
I like how you caught the irrelevant 4 year thing. Yes it could be wrong. But that wont effect my point at all.
And of course main character in a shonen manga will obviously improve less than an irrelevant character like jellal

Please don't talk about common sense and reading comprehension , obviously I cannot ever reach your intellectual level.

Of course that all matters..... he used so much MP doing all of that, you're literally talking crap. Even after Laxus used fairy law he was owning Natsu and Natsu needed Gajeel to save him.
FF Laxus >>>> FF Natsu
Tenrou Laxus > Tenrou team Natsu.

 

[Axiomus]

So the crunchyroll scans are out, and with it means clearer scans. Which means I can confirm something that's been on my mind since the last chapter came out. With the cleaner scans you can actually see Mirajane's figure in this image. This means that Juliet and Heine are in front of Mirajane, and the sand clouds are being kicked up behind her.

Spoiler: Click on image to zoom in

This image also changes the interpretation I had for the amount of water Mirajane evaporated. Previously it was from the trees in the background to the new shore, because I thought those trees were closer to the view than the smoke, but now I see that's probably not the case. Now I believe it's from Mirajane's figure (or more specifically Juliet and Heine's location) to the new shore.

 

[reesestl]

Just because Natsu ended up beating Laxus during the FF arc doesn't mean that he's stronger. Laxus only lost because he was fighting two people at once and he wasted a huge amount of magic energy casting a spell that ended up doing nothing.

I think the reason Laxus lost in the BoFT arc was because he was fighting half-heartedly. When he cast Fairy Law, it failed due to that. But this must have affected his whole fight altogether. He should have won even if he was fighting Natsu and Gajeel duo. At least that's what I think Hiro tried to show there.

while it is impressive that Mirajane's MP alone was drying up the sea, she didn't dried all of it. as Escanors Pride said, it was in the process which means it was far from over. Natsu was starting to evaporate the lake. he didn't evaporate it instantly. he entered BDKM and punched Jacob with Demolition Fist. that was the moment where he truly vaporized the lake. if Mira used some kind of aura, then there would be a high chance that she could dry up a large portion of the sea.

As someone pointed out, wouldn't u need heat to evaporate the sea water. Her magic was pushing the water back exposing dryland where once there was water. Plus, there was no evaporation in the panel. Natsu evaporated a lake, she pushed back sea water; both are amazing feats, but they are two different things. Pushing back sea water just by your presence is no small feat.

 

[Boomburst]

I think the reason Laxus lost in the BoFT arc was because he was fighting half-heartedly. When he cast Fairy Law, it failed due to that. But this must have affected his whole fight altogether. He should have won even if he was fighting Natsu and Gajeel duo. At least that's what I think Hiro tried to show there.


As someone pointed out, wouldn't u need heat to evaporate the sea water. Her magic was pushing the water back exposing dryland where once there was water. Plus, there was no evaporation in the panel. Natsu evaporated a lake, she pushed back sea water; both are amazing feats, but they are two different things. Pushing back sea water just by your presence is no small feat.

Juliet (or Heine, I don't remember which) explicitly stated that the water was being evaporated, not pushed back. So I think it should be the same thing as Natsu evaporating the lake.

 

[sharkai]

@sharkai

I do agree if either Mira or Erza or both state that GMG Mira + GMG Erza might have or would have problems taking GMG Jura down, it's because they might/would.

I don't know about you but I don't see how it's so hare-brained to think this way. IMO it's true that GMG Mira + GMG Erza might actually = GMG Jura. Or maybe be slightly superior but, I mean, on that league.

GMG Erza, GMG Mira, GMG Minerva, GMG Orga, GMG Kagura... they're all one tier below GMG Jura or GMG Jellal / GMG Laxus for that matter. Now, make any possible combination of 2 from the first group and make them face GMG Jura/Laxus/Jellal, I can see a proper battle.

The thing is, after this timeskip, Jura has stayed the same (or slightly improved) while, from the list of ladies/Orga, they've all probably escalated a couple of tiers or more...

Unfortunately it has no proof. Just like laxus statement that evergreen can take out Ezra in fighting festival arc.
The tier list was of course made by fans. So also not good proof
the problem is that fans will refuse to believe that Jura might be barely stronger than erza no matter what they are shown. No hype is more accepted than this hype.

Add tartaros jellal needing to go all out against 4 member of OS doesn't help this case either (and midnight wasn't even doing anything till the end). Remember pre ts Ezra was taken out by a sneak attack from three members of OS. So for someone who can take Mira and Ezra at the same time, that power up from time skip is barely there.

So tell me are you willing to believe that you may be wrong .
What has laxus shown, that would allow him to go from > natsu + gajeel. to > erza + Mira. Both by portrayal or feats are above the previous two. With erza being far above.

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I think the reason Laxus lost in the BoFT arc was because he was fighting half-heartedly. When he cast Fairy Law, it failed due to that. But this must have affected his whole fight altogether. He should have won even if he was fighting Natsu and Gajeel duo. At least that's what I think Hiro tried to show there.


As someone pointed out, wouldn't u need heat to evaporate the sea water. Her magic was pushing the water back exposing dryland where once there was water. Plus, there was no evaporation in the panel. Natsu evaporated a lake, she pushed back sea water; both are amazing feats, but they are two different things. Pushing back sea water just by your presence is no small feat.

No he actually went all out. But the magic which had dependence on the heart didn't work fairy law.
Because he actually didn't want to kill them.
All other attacks worked just fine

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Of course that all matters..... he used so much MP doing all of that, you're literally talking crap. Even after Laxus used fairy law he was owning Natsu and Natsu needed Gajeel to save him.
FF Laxus >>>> FF Natsu
Tenrou Laxus > Tenrou team Natsu.

Of course I am talking crap.
When one person is literally ignoring that erza, gray were in much worse condition than laxus was.
I don't pretend to know how much mp laxus used in fairy law and before.
But erza used alot of mp too. I think she even said she didn't have enough power to put down Azuma. before Azuma blew the powers of fairy tail guild on her twice. after that she was having problem taking a step.
So erza was lacking mp and seriously injured when she went to fight Hades. Others weren't great either. With gray almost losing conscious like two pages before they started the fight. hell even Wendy used so much magic and she was pretty banged up too.

Comparing this to fresh laxus is complete bs.
And lets not pretend that laxus did anything in that fight. I think he landed like one hit on Hades after Hades started to fight. And I think the strongest hitter was erza there not including lfd natsu. Being the only one to break the chain which threw around titan markarov like a doll.

No, its
laxus > natsu + gajeel
With him having to use his two most strongest attack to put down gajeel.

And wrecked erza >> aria (because she one shot him).
Aria > natsu
So its more like
laxus > natsu + gajeel
Erza >>> natsu (don't forget racer)

So I am going to believe that over your imaginations

 

[Char]

Unfortunately it has no proof. Just like laxus statement that evergreen can take out Ezra in fighting festival arc.

As a matter of fact, that wasn't so inaccurate since she could've taken her out had she had her two eyes. Her stone eyes are haxy.

The tier list was of course made by fans. So also not good proof

If a character is stated to be the strongest human in Fiore (only below the 4 GoI), I have to believe the one who says such a thing has knowledge to back it up. Ooba is a knowledgeable person, she wouldn't say such a thing so boldly. Of course she was a little bit wrong since there was one person who could rival and extreme diff him: Laxus. But she wasn't so biased since, apart from Laxus and maybe Jellal, there literally was no-one stronger than him in Fiore at that moment. Maybe Glidartz but again, another exception.

It's clear by feats and hype Jura was superior to anything Mira/Erza could offer. Even more so if one of them says it'd take the two of them to MAYBE beat him. So, yeah, that's the truth. If you don't want to understand that it's on you.

the problem is that fans will refuse to believe that Jura might be barely stronger than erza no matter what they are shown. No hype is more accepted than this hype.

What has GMG Erza shown to you that could actually make you think she can even push Jura to high difficulty? Because IMO, Jura should handily mid diff her at most.

Add tartaros jellal needing to go all out against 4 member of OS doesn't help this case either (and midnight wasn't even doing anything till the end). Remember pre ts Ezra was taken out by a sneak attack from three members of OS. So for someone who can take Mira and Ezra at the same time, that power up from time skip is barely there.

While Erza made up for the 7 years gap by means of a second origin, let's remember Jellal was in jail for most of that time. So he didn't have time to train that much. And still, whereas pre-ts Cobra managed to own Erza, GMG Jellal managed to own the current O6 with moderate difficulty so

GMG Jellal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> O6 Erza

So tell me are you willing to believe that you may be wrong .

Don't be so cocky. You're the one who's been proven to be wrong by many other members apart from me. If any you're the one who should reconsider their standards.

What has laxus shown, that would allow him to go from > natsu + gajeel. to > erza + Mira. Both by portrayal or feats are above the previous two. With erza being far above.

BoFT Laxus >> Erza or Mira
BoFT Laxus >= Erza + Mira

The only reason Laxus lost to Natsu+Gajeel, who're below Erza+Mira, is because he had spent a lot of MP on Fairy Law and he was tired after these things to destroy Magnolia, fighting Erza and Mystgun etc.

Tenrou Laxus >>>> Mira or Erza (while Erza struggled against Azuma, Laxus was beating Hades up)
Tenrou Laxus > Erza + Mira

GMG Laxus >>> GMG Mira or Erza
GMG Laxus > GMG Mira + Erza (feat wise, Laxus no diffed a Tartaros demon, Erza extreme diffed one. Yeah Kyoka was stronger but still. Also, Mira lost to one)

 

[Crimson Ice]

First I would like to thank you for finally bring something from the manga.


You are right?
Sting never saw Aconologia. And we all know Mira was personal secretary of Jura who also has been keeping tab on Ezra powers, right? She was obviously not saying it because of his WS title which we all know is the most reliable scale for power ranking. Afterall no one can defeat 10th WS other 9th or higher WS.

Ezra have durability feat from GMG.
She pretty much one shoted Minerva and kinda kagura (kagura wasn't really injured before that).
She also has endurance feat from GMG.
And of course she has many feats before that arc.
Meanwhile Jura has no endurance feat or durability feat. He is pretty much a glass cannon.
So yeah Jura feats aren't >> Ezra

I believe ogra requested Jura to block his cannon. Instead of blocking it, Jura side stepped it and blitzed him. So yeah unsuspecting ogra was one shoted by Jura.
It depends on what you find more impressive. Kagura Jupiter tier attack was much more impressive than any attack Jura used in that fight. Especially since something like Jupiter should seriously injure if not down right kill pre ts laxus.


BoS Ezra wasn't near markarov, so wasn't laxus. So?
Markarov said don't underestimate gray to laxus that's all. Completely different when he said Ezra could take him out.
The context of mystogan statement?
gray never said Ezra is weaker than laxus. And natsu was nowhere near Ezra before this time skip as shown multiple time in the manga.
With so many fake hypes or statement or whatever, why should I believe that one. Pretty sure laxus thought evergreen could finish off Ezra lol

O
How do you know Ezra wont stomp both at the same time. She did one shot full powered aria who was low diffing natsu. And that wasn't even her strongest attack. Unlike laxus who needed to beat the crap out of gajeel, then use his two most strongest pre ts attacks to put him down.
Hell if everything fails Ezra can still go racer on there asses.
I quite remember that in s class exams every s class had to fight two non s class and still hold back. So its not such a huge deal.

Tenru laxus > tenru team natsu.
Damn I forgot about that.
Of course laxus performed better than them combined. It seems I was defending an indefensible position. I am sorry.
Though I do have a question
If whatever happens before a fight doesn't matter
Like Ezra
Toying with juvia and lisana till they gave up
Fighting huge amount of soldiers
Exchanging a blow or two with meredy
Going all out against Azuma who would also use fairy tail power including gildarts against her till she was seriously injured and was having problem taking even a step.

And like laxus
Who exchange three to four blows against mystogan
Exchange a blow or two with Ezra
Fought natsu and gajeel but still not really being injured
Use fairy law.

But since we agree that non of that matters.
Natsu defeated laxus after that.
So that makes
Natsu > laxus
And we also know
Laxus > Ezra + natsu + gray + Lucy + Wendy.
So how does this exactly work.
Natsu is stronger than laxus but laxus is stronger than all of them combined. Just weird you know.

There is no portrayal that puts laxus above Ezra.
His feats are lacking too.
And we already talked about hype.

Then who grew how much in that time skip.
I like how you caught the irrelevant 4 year thing. Yes it could be wrong. But that wont effect my point at all.
And of course main character in a shonen manga will obviously improve less than an irrelevant character like jellal

Please don't talk about common sense and reading comprehension , obviously I cannot ever reach your intellectual level.

Sting never saw Acnologia, while Mira herself has felt Jura's own magic power and has observed him in battle. Keep trying, though.


What durability is this? And no she didn't one shot anything, everyone in that 3 way battle took multiple blows prior.

Orga was prepared for Jura, he was aware and wasn't caught off guard, Orga flat out got blizted and one shotted, to further the point there was no ! or ? when it happened which is normally there when people are caught off guard. Jura was said to be on the same level as Gildarts and took multiple blows from Zeref, he's not glass canon another baseless statement.



Yeah, GMG Jura's feats are above GMG Erza's, along with superior portrayal.


Jupiter wouldn't kill Laxus, that's another thing you pulled out of your ass, Erza at BoS could withstand and Laxus is wayy stronger than her, heck BoS Erza was Natsu level who was all round inferior to Laxus.


Yes, BoS Laxus was, the most impressive thing Makarov could do BoS was Fairy Law and so could Laxus while Laxus was flat out more impressive outside FL.

It shows Makarov betting on Gray to beat Laxus.......


Erza flat out says to Jose Natsu is just as strong if not stronger than her. Please tell me about these statements in the under the right context and circumstances are incorrect because all you're saying is, HERP DERP STATEMENTS AREN'T VALID while ignoring the circumstances.

She wouldn't, by her own admission Natsu is on her level while Gajeel should be close to Natsu also. Erza wouldn't even win against both of them let alone stomp them. As for Aria, the fight between Natsu and Aria was because Aria uses wind magic which is a poor matchup for a fire mage like Natsu. Laxus DIDN'T NEED to use his strongest attacks to put Gajeel down, both Natsu and Gajeel were incapacitated after one roar from Laxus

The S-Class exam is irrelevant because Natsu, Gray and Gajeel are the only strong ones and they'd never be on the same team together.


Natsu WASN'T STRONGER THAN LAXUS. Laxus started to lose once he failed Fairy Law and it consumed A LOT of Laxus' magic power. Laxus himself was stomping both Gajeel and Natsu before that and Natsu would have lost twice if he wasn't saved by Gajeel and they both even say the win against Laxus wasn't legit.

Portrayal has Laxus as top 2 in the guild current and along Mystogun were the two strongest while Gildarts was away. Laxus' portrayal>>Erza's
Laxus' feats>>Erza's
Laxus' hype>>Erza's

Don't even know why you put that emote when you know it's damn true.

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Look one more time.



Uhm, evaporating a SEA is far more impressive than a lake or some stadium. Not to forget that Mirajane did it with her magic power, while Natsu did it with his body heat.



Hasn't shown a single feat? LOL. I'll show you ONE of his multiple feats which will oneshot Erza.

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Hopefully that was enough to convince you.



Exactly. Hyped. He never showed he can. Actually, it was easily blocked by a barrier.

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"Drying up the sea water", as in "about to evaporate the sea water".



No, Mard Geer tanked DF Natsu's strongest spell and owned him after. In that case, DF Wendy is far more impressive since she blitzed Ezel all the way and destroyed him with ease.



When did Laxus blitz Wahl? Both Juliet and Hynhe aren't featless in speed at all. Juliet becomes fast because she can slow others down with her magic and Hynhe is just fast in general.

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Just compare the size of Christina with the size of Mirajane.. You'll see.

Is Sema weak because the Oración Seis didn't die? Not really.



If that's what you want, I'm fine. But try to deny that Mirajane's Seilah Soul and Alegria Soul >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laxus.



It was ABOUT to get evaporated. Hynhe's words, not mine.



Not a combat oriented magic? How about Dark Écriture: Darkness and Dark Écriture: Absolute Shadow? He broke through Wahl's proxy, which seems far more impressive than breaking through one of Erza's armors. I mean, Kagura destroyed her most defensive one with sealed Archenemy. Yeah..

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Tell me which feat from DF Natsu is more impressive than controlling the space.



Good argument.



He wasn't.



Look at Mirajane first, if you can find her.



Lol.



Good argument, again.



And exactly what would happen if Mirajane will use Macro against God Serena? Or Ajeel? Or Wahl?



Wahl's speed isn't that impressive to be recognized. But alright, I'll give this one to you.



It's never shown Laxus would've do something against Ajeel. I wouldn't underestimate the durability of Juliet and Hynhe, they're actually swords after all.



Hynhe stated that the sea was about to get evaporated. I already showed evidence somewhere else in this post lol.



It was actually stated that Freed's attack was about to kill Elfman.

Saying he can only use it on lower tiers is nothing more than assumptions. No matter, tortuting would be enough to end those three, PoF excluded ofc.

He couldn't use it against Mirajane because he was blitzed all the way.

Erza's only impressive feat is Nakagami Armor.. I'm not impressed by her anymore since she was slayed by Kagura. What makes you actually think Erza would oneshot Freed? Which feat from her is more impressive than his?

Freed lost during the S-Class exams due to plot.



Erza will never blitz Freed. On the contrary, tbh.

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You keep on downplaying Freed. Elfman.. Seriously?



Once Wendy uses DF she becomes pretty hax. She had just bad luck she had to face a god.

She actually is the fastest mage in Fairy Tail. She could blitz everyone in Fairy Tail and defeat most of them with her nuke.

Don't say good argument and trying to be snide while doing so because you have not counter for my point.

He was when he was kicking Wahl about and evaded his assault.

So you say lol because you have no decent retort.


Again trying to be snide when you're wrong

 

[BluePegasus]

Before I have to reply to dozens of people at the same time, I'll just post the back-up for my claims right here.

1). The reason why I think Mirajane > Laxus.

After last chapter I thought this would be more or less obvious because it's proven that Mirajane's magic power is far above any other Fairy Tail mage. Guess some of you are still not convinced by her. Well, no matter.

Firstly I'd like to point out that Mirajane's nuke isn't less powerful than Laxus' nuke only because "it is". The only argument I've seen to back this up is because Laxus' nuke was hyped to kill a Spriggan tier. Exactly, hyped as in never shown. As for the size, there is nothing that shows that Laxus' nuke was higher in AoE. I also like to point out that it's absolutely stupid to downplay Mirajane just because Juliet and Hynhe could tank Mirajane's blast. Why? Because they're swords, not humans.

Secondly, saying that Laxus' attack power is far above Mirajane is nothing more than assumptions. We haven't seen Mirajane going full out in her Alegria Soul at all, but we know that she has more to show. As for now, I think we can all agree that Mirajane has a far higher hand-to-handcombat in Alegria Soul than Laxus ever will posses.

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Spoiler: Just look at the effect.

Thirdly, which is the most important reason why I rate Mirajane above Laxus, is Seilah Soul. Excluding the magic of the Spriggans, it's probably the most hax power that's ever shown. And no, stop coming up with that pathetic argument that it's NLF. The capabilities of Macro are stated, so it's nothing more than a canon fact.

2). The reason why I think DF Wendy > DF Natsu.

Simple, because DF Natsu's feats are pretty useless compared to DF Wendy's feats. Most of you find it impressive that he outclassed Mard Geer in speed. Like seriously? DF Wendy controls the space which means she can move freely through the area. Let's be real, SHE'LL BLITZ MARD GEER ALL THE WAY.

Speaking of DF Natsu strongest spell, it's less powerful than DF Wendy's nuke lol.

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3). The reason why I think Freed > Erza.

And then we go to Freed, by far the most underrated character from Fairy Tail. He got even compared to Elfman and Juvia, LOL.

Anyway, Freed will just kill Erza with Dark Écriture. And no stop beginning about NLF. I'm just going with canon manga feats here.

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And if this didn't convince you, fine. There are a lot other options for Freed to end Erza like Dark Écriture: Darkness, Dark Écriture: Absolute Shadow, Dark Écriture: Pain or Dark Écriture: Destruction. He could just pick one of the above and slay Erza. Her defensive is pretty pathetic after all. I mean, her most defensive armor was broken by a sealed sword. Dark Écriture: Destruction would be enough to deal with all of her armors.

This is for the people who say Erza will blitz Freed:

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In the end, Freed's speed looks even more impressive. Not to forget that Freed can fly as well. He'll just spam some Dark Écriture: Pain from above.

At last, DARK ÉCRITURE: ABSOLUTE SHADOW IS NOT FEATLESS.

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It actually has more feats than Nakagami Armor.

Don't say good argument and trying to be snide while doing so because you have not counter for my point.

He was when he was kicking Wahl about and evaded his assault.

So you say lol because you have no decent retort.


Again trying to be snide when you're wrong

Why would I need to counter your claims? You don't have any back-up, all your argument are based on your opinions. If you want a decent reply than give me something I can actually reply to.

 

[Char]

Before I have to reply to dozens of people at the same time, I'll just post the back-up for my claims right here.

1). The reason why I think Mirajane > Laxus.

After last chapter I thought this would be more or less obvious because it's proven that Mirajane's magic power is far above any other Fairy Tail mage. Guess some of you are still not convinced by her. Well, no matter.

I'm a big fan of Mirajane, don't get me wrong. I like her a cut above Laxus. But facts are facts, hype is hype, portrayal is portrayal. In everything, Laxus simply and plainly beats Mirajane.

Firstly I'd like to point out that Mirajane's nuke isn't less powerful than Laxus' nuke only because "it is". The only argument I've seen to back this up is because Laxus' nuke was hyped to kill a Spriggan tier.

No that wasn't the only one. You might've missed my escalations. They took some time to make and upload so I'd readress you to them. Take a close look at them. The scales clearly show that Laxus' nuke is massively bigger than Base Satan Soul's. Makes sense since Mira was only using base satan soul while Laxus was possibly using his strongest nuke.

Exactly, hyped as in never shown.

Many people disagreed with me when I claimed that, as much as August stated that nuke might've killed him, it wouldn't. I do believe it wouldn't have killed him. Heck it may even not have KOed him. But, truth be told, it should've HURT him from mild injuries to quite severe injuries.

So far, the logic you've used to defend your arugments is downplay other users' or not take a proper look at facts (for example, you didn't pay attention to the size of the two nukes) and you've also downplayed August's statement which, as much as I believe it should be downplayed a little, it shouldn't be to such extents of saying it wouldn't even hurt him or something.

As for the size, there is nothing that shows that Laxus' nuke was higher in AoE.

Again, I encourage you to take a proper look at my previous post.

I also like to point out that it's absolutely stupid to downplay Mirajane just because Juliet and Hynhe could tank Mirajane's blast. Why? Because they're swords, not humans.

That's a lame argument honestly. There are humans in this manga who have city level durability, and yet you're going to tell me these two minions are going to have higher durability than the average, escalable to even Spriggans, because they're swords (made of metal?). You seriously don't udnerstand durability, do you? Blast an average metal sword with Mirajane's nuke then tell me how that sword is after the nuke. Probably broken, severely damaged or even melted. Maybe there's no sword any longer...

Secondly, saying that Laxus' attack power is far above Mirajane is nothing more than assumptions. We haven't seen Mirajane going full out in her Alegria Soul at all, but we know that she has more to show. As for now, I think we can all agree that Mirajane has a far higher hand-to-handcombat in Alegria Soul than Laxus ever will posses.

But, my man, you're the first person here making assumptions like H and J having great durability because they're swords. Things don't work like that...

You're right we haven't seen Alegria go all out but it's not like "she's got much time to bright". I mean, apparently, she can only use that soul for up to one minute, and attack once.

If she could maintain that form indefenetly that'd be great, heck she might even be borderline spriggan level, but so far, she hasn't shown anything that puts her on that lvl.

Also, she'd be borderline spriggan level at most but Laxus is mid spriggan level which is a couple of cuts above Mira. That's because Laxus defeated a mid spriggan character even being handicapped and Wahl being immune to his magic. Mira, on the other hand, struggled against two lackeys on her base form and fodderized them in her strongest form which, again, ran out of MP right after that.

Thirdly, which is the most important reason why I rate Mirajane above Laxus, is Seilah Soul. Excluding the magic of the Spriggans, it's probably the most hax power that's ever shown. And no, stop coming up with that pathetic argument that it's NLF. The capabilities of Macro are stated, so it's nothing more than a canon fact.

Fair point, if you abide by the NLF. But then, a question for you: if Sailah soul requires less MP than Alegria, why didn't she go Sailah and macro-ed H and J to kill each other?

Also, why are everyone in FT so worried about Acnologia when she can kill her?

Think at length then provide me with an answer on that.

2). The reason why I think DF Wendy > DF Natsu.

Simple, because DF Natsu's feats are pretty useless compared to DF Wendy's feats.

So is mildly injuring Etherious Mard Geer on one blow a useless feat if compared to DF Wendy's?

Most of you find it impressive that he outclassed Mard Geer in speed.

Because MG was clearly faster than DF Wendy.

Like seriously? DF Wendy controls the space which means she can move freely through the area. Let's be real, SHE'LL BLITZ MARD GEER ALL THE WAY.

Move freely as in what? Speed of light? What's her speed again? Her speed is but a couple of static panels showing she is blitzing Ezel but no more.

OK I'm going to agree, she's one of the fastest characters in the FT guild, but MG is faster.

Speaking of DF Natsu strongest spell, it's less powerful than DF Wendy's nuke lol.

No, it's not.

Mard Geer's durability far outclasses Ezel's. While DF Wendy's strongest spell actually KOed Ezel, Natsu's actually harmed Mard Geer.

Mard Geer's durability >>>>>>>>>> Ezel's durability
Ezel damage >>> Mard Geer's damage
THEREFORE
Natsu's strongest spell >>>>>>> DF Wendy's strongest spell

3). The reason why I think Freed > Erza.

This is ridiculous to even argue but... I'll try...

And then we go to Freed, by far the most underrated character from Fairy Tail. He got even compared to Elfman and Juvia, LOL.

Oh but Juvia should be a cut above him. And Elfman should currently be on his tier or slightly below. By hype. We know Juvia trained this year with Gray, who is VASTLY superior to Freed, so she must have improved quite a lot while Freed... what's his most impressive feat in the current arc? Oh yeah defeating a fodder.

Anyway, Freed will just kill Erza with Dark Écriture. And no stop beginning about NLF. I'm just going with canon manga feats here.

Oh pls... The most ridiculous thing I've read today and probably in the whole week... like seriously I want to respect you but it's being hard.

And if this didn't convince you, fine. There are a lot other options for Freed to end Erza like Dark Écriture: Darkness, Dark Écriture: Absolute Shadow, Dark Écriture: Pain or Dark Écriture: Destruction. He could just pick one of the above and slay Erza. Her defensive is pretty pathetic after all. I mean, her most defensive armor was broken by a sealed sword. Dark Écriture: Destruction would be enough to deal with all of her armors.

Erza's durability far outclasses Freed's so she's just going to tank his attacks and she's just not going to be affected by them, or much affected.

Erza is faster than Freed and can speedblitz him and kill him anytime so if she decides to tank any of his attacks it'll be to give him some advantage/to test him.

This is for the people who say Erza will blitz Freed:

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In the end, Freed's speed looks even more impressive. Not to forget that Freed can fly as well. He'll just spam some Dark Écriture: Pain from above.

You've gotten quite used to using outdated feats. That speed is SLOW for current standards. Mirajane was keeping up with him and Erza should keep up with him too back in that arc, but currently, Erza has evolved so much more than Freed, that yes, she's going to blitz him as she blitzed a Spriggan.

At last, DARK ÉCRITURE: ABSOLUTE SHADOW IS NOT FEATLESS.

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It actually has more feats than Nakagami Armor.

Again, if you want to defend a character's feats, why do you bring outdated feats up? They only downplay your agument, and by quite a lot. I mean it's being hard for me to take credit of your arguments after posting such absurd feats. Absurd, because by current standards, they are utterly fodder.

Also lol... comparing Freed to Nakagami Armor is just... lol...

All in all, you're going to keep believing your three points which are poorly defended, prove nothing, baseless and there's a lot of missguided assumptions in them.

So, please, just quit it because you're not going to convince anyone. I think you're the only person in the world's fandom to believe Freed is above Erza. It's just ridiculous.

What would you say to someone who claims Happy can beat Hades? Well, the same applies here lol

 

[BluePegasus]

No that wasn't the only one. You might've missed my escalations. They took some time to make and upload so I'd readress you to them. Take a close look at them. The scales clearly show that Laxus' nuke is massively bigger than Base Satan Soul's. Makes sense since Mira was only using base satan soul while Laxus was possibly using his strongest nuke.

I don't really get that logic.

So Laxus' nuke is bigger just because some stones we see? Since when are stones always of the same size?

Many people disagreed with me when I claimed that, as much as August stated that nuke might've killed him, it wouldn't. I do believe it wouldn't have killed him. Heck it may even not have KOed him. But, truth be told, it should've HURT him from mild injuries to quite severe injuries.

So far, the logic you've used to defend your arugments is downplay other users' or not take a proper look at facts (for example, you didn't pay attention to the size of the two nukes) and you've also downplayed August's statement which, as much as I believe it should be downplayed a little, it shouldn't be to such extents of saying it wouldn't evenhurt him or something.

Just like Mirajane's nuke did bring damage to Juliet and Hynhe.

That's a lame argument honestly. There are humans in this manga who have city level durability, and yet you're going to tell me these two minions are going to have higher durability than the average, escalable to even Spriggans, because they're swords (made of metal?). You seriously don't udnerstand durability, do you? Blast an average metal sword with Mirajane's nuke then tell me how that sword is after the nuke. Probably broken, severely damaged or even melted. Maybe there's no sword any longer...

I don't know where you're going, but they actually TANKED a high buster attack. So yes, their durability is high. You're seriously downplaying them because they're subordinates?

You didn't get what I said at all. They weren't real humans, so they don't have average human feats. They were enchanted out of a sword. They're NOT humans.

But fine downplay me all you want.

You're right we haven't seen Alegria go all out but it's not like "she's got much time to bright". I mean, apparently, she can only use that soul for up to one minute, and attack once.

Did you forgot she actually gave her everything in Satan Soul before she actived Alegria Soul?

If she could maintain that form indefenetly that'd be great, heck she might even be borderline spriggan level, but so far, she hasn't shown anything that puts her on that lvl.

Macro.

Also, she'd be borderline spriggan level at most but Laxus is mid spriggan level which is a couple of cuts above Mira. That's because Laxus defeated a mid spriggan character even being handicapped and Wahl being immune to his magic. Mira, on the other hand, struggled against two lackeys on her base form and fodderized them in her strongest form which, again, ran out of MP right after that.

Sadly enough Mirajane never had the chance to proof herself.

Fair point, if you abide by the NLF. But then, a question for you: if Sailah soul requires less MP than Alegria, why didn't she go Sailah and macro-ed H and J to kill each other?

Also, why are everyone in FT so worried about Acnologia when she can kill her?

Think at length then provide me with an answer on that.

Due to plot.

Acnologia is a dragon.

So is mildly injuring Etherious Mard Geer on one blow a useless feat if compared to DF Wendy's?

Yes.

Because MG was clearly faster than DF Wendy.

Wait what? DF Wendy can teleport. Since when is runnig or flying faster than teleporting?

Move freely as in what? Speed of light? What's her speed again? Her speed is but a couple of static panels showing she is blitzing Ezel but no more.

OK I'm going to agree, she's one of the fastest characters in the FT guild, but MG is faster.

Move freely through the air. It's more like teleporting. There was nothing left to show, it was already impressive enough that she super blitzed an Etherious.

No, it's not.

Mard Geer's durability far outclasses Ezel's. While DF Wendy's strongest spell actually KOed Ezel, Natsu's actually harmed Mard Geer.

Mard Geer's durability >>>>>>>>>> Ezel's durability
Ezel damage >>> Mard Geer's damage
THEREFORE
Natsu's strongest spell >>>>>>> DF Wendy's strongest spell

Natsu did slighty damage Mard Geer with his strongest attack in DF. As for DF Wendy, she destroyed Face and defeated Ezel with one simple nuke.

This is ridiculous to even argue but... I'll try...

Why? Because she's Erza?

Oh but Juvia should be a cut above him. And Elfman should currently be on his tier or slightly below. By hype. We know Juvia trained this year with Gray, who is VASTLY superior to Freed, so she must have improved quite a lot while Freed... what's his most impressive feat in the current arc? Oh yeah defeating a fodder.

Juvia was fodderized by Freed but no matter.

Elfman was fodderized by Rustyrose while Freed defeated him but no matter.

Most impressive feat from Freed during this arc? Covering whole Magnolia in a defense seal for a long time.

Oh pls... The most ridiculous thing I've read today and probably in the whole week... like seriously I want to respect you but it's being hard.

What an argument. You can say this again if you show me solid proof that Dark Écriture: Death wouldn't kill Erza.

Erza's durability far outclasses Freed's so she's just going to tank his attacks and she's just not going to be affected by them, or much affected.

Erza is faster than Freed and can speedblitz him and kill him anytime so if she decides to tank any of his attacks it'll be to give him some advantage/to test him.

You've gotten quite used to using outdated feats. That speed is SLOW for current standards. Mirajane was keeping up with him and Erza should keep up with him too back in that arc, but currently, Erza has evolved so much more than Freed, that yes, she's going to blitz him as she blitzed a Spriggan.

PoF Erza has a high durability. I'm excluding PoF in this.

You actually think Erza can tank death?

Freed will imprison Erza so she can't move at all lmao.

Again, if you want to defend a character's feats, why do you bring outdated feats up? They only downplay your agument, and by quite a lot. I mean it's being hard for me to take credit of your arguments after posting such absurd feats. Absurd, because by current standards, they are utterly fodder.

Because Mirajane has always been faster than Erza. Guess what? Freed is equal in speed with Mirajane.

Also lol... comparing Freed to Nakagami Armor is just... lol...

I said Nakagami Armor barely has feats. Don't know what you're talking about.

All in all, you're going to keep believing your three points which are poorly defended, prove nothing, baseless and there's a lot of missguided assumptions in them.

So, please, just quit it because you're not going to convince anyone. I think you're the only person in the world's fandom to believe Freed is above Erza. It's just ridiculous.

What would you say to someone who claims Happy can beat Hades? Well, the same applies here lol

That's your opinion.

Leaving this thread for a while. Getting too much hate lolz.

 

[Char]

I don't really get that logic.

So Laxus' nuke is bigger just because some stones we see? Since when are stones always of the same size?

The debris and detachments are represented usually in the same way. An explosion will move rocks of all sizes, this is ENTIRELY correct! But if you take the strongest rocks in both images you can make an approximation of the scale of the explosion. Also, Christina is very close to the lens, but the explosion is perspective-wise very far away, and proportionally it's a few times bigger.

Just like Mirajane's nuke did bring damage to Juliet and Hynhe.

Whereas Laxus' would've probably harmed Ajeel considerably, H&J, whose durability is way lower by powerscaling, were only mildly scratched.

I don't know where you're going, but they actually TANKED a high buster attack. So yes, their durability is high. You're seriously downplaying them because they're subordinates?

No I'm not downplaying them because they're subordinates. They're logically below Spriggan level, otherwise they'd be spriggans themselves. Look at Marin. Doesn't he have hax similar to that of Jacob? Why is he not a Spriggan? There must be indicators he's below Jacob. He probably lacks the MP quality&quantity, he probably lacks the durability, he probably lacks the strength.

Think of it this way: I'm downplaying them because they're subordinates, but you're hyping them why, because they're swords?

You didn't get what I said at all. They weren't real humans, so they don't have average human feats. They were enchanted out of a sword. They're NOT humans.

They were 'humanized'. They have a personality, a manifestation of a human body with flesh and bones, and their magic is to be regarded as a human mage. So their durability is extrapolated to human mages'.

But fine downplay me all you want.

Not downplaying your arguments because I want but because you make it far too easy. And I'm not even Crimson Ice, I'm trying to squeeze some logic out of them, but it's hard.

Did you forgot she actually gave her everything in Satan Soul before she actived Alegria Soul?

Fair point.

Sadly enough Mirajane never had the chance to proof herself.

Not the only one. GoI...

Due to plot.

Not so easy...

Acnologia is a dragon.

So what?

Yes.

How? You say it like DF Wendy would've given MG a better battle than DF Natsu.

Wait what? DF Wendy can teleport. Since when is runnig or flying faster than teleporting?

You can't be serious. Teleport? Are you hyping her speed to Goku levels? Come on... She moves so fast that it's represented in the manga in a way she seemingly disappears but teleport? Teleport = instantaneous movement >>> Speed of light, which is nowhere near any speed feat anyone in this manga has shown (or will ever show for that matter).

Fastest speed feat is Acno blitzing God Serena and that's several match speeds and it's VASTLY superior to anything Wendy's shown.

Move freely through the air. It's more like teleporting. There was nothing left to show, it was already impressive enough that she super blitzed an Etherious.

Wendy cannot teleport, she can move faster in an area she dominates, alright I'll give you that. Also Ezel was SUPER slow.

Natsu did slighty damage Mard Geer with his strongest attack in DF. As for DF Wendy, she destroyed Face and defeated Ezel with one simple nuke.

You mean with her strongest technique. Don't you think DF Natsu's attack wouldn't have had the same effect against Ezel and the Face?

Why? Because she's Erza?

No, because Erza is in a totally different league to Freed. Anyone in this league simply outclasses Freed's mightiest feat. This has been shown, portrayal, Erza being appointed master, Erza fighting a spriggan, Erza being always a superior mage, Erza being S-class from the beginning, etc.

Juvia was fodderized by Freed but no matter.

When? I don't remember. Also, if she was, in Alvarez Juvia should be slightly superior to Freed.

Elfman was fodderized by Rustyrose while Freed defeated him but no matter.

Yeah, when Rustyrose was tired, with help of Bickslow, etc. Also, Tenrou feats don't matter anymore.

Most impressive feat from Freed during this arc? Covering whole Magnolia in a defense seal for a long time.

Fair enough, but he was struggling a lot with that, also a few more seconds/minutes and the barrier would've been broken. Not so impressive.

What an argument. You can say this again if you show me solid proof that Dark Écriture: Death wouldn't kill Erza.

Don't be sarcastic, I've given arguments to all of your points that was just a comment.

PoF Erza has a high durability. I'm excluding PoF in this.

What an argument.

You actually think Erza can tank death?

Uhm... Freed no diffs Acnologia+Igneel+Zeref+August+Irene all attacking at once.

Freed will imprison Erza so she can't move at all lmao.

Ok Freed can immobilize Erza he can't defeat her. Why didn't Freed do that to Mira back in BoFT?

Because Mirajane has always been faster than Erza. Guess what? Freed is equal in speed with Mirajane.

No Erza has a slight edge against Mira in speed but htey should be around equals. Freed on the other hand couldn't catch up with Mira and got blitzed a couple of times.

I said Nakagami Armor barely has feats. Don't know what you're talking about.

You defend to death Freed's hax but yet you're willing not to accept Nakagami is as haxy or haxier, since it can cut through any magic. So, if anything, Nakagami is gonna cut through Freed's spells (Runes, hax, etc.)

That's your opinion.

Leaving this thread for a while. Getting too much hate lolz.

No-one is attacking you or throwing hate at you. It's just that you need to understand if you abide by NLF many people is gonna disagree with you, because hax like Macro or even Runes could beat Acnologia and things shouldn't work like that.

I agree hax has no limits as long as non have been stated but still, understand us, saying Freed is over the likes of Erza, Gray, etc. is a little bit far-fetched.

 

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Nobody is saying that Laxus's attack is larger just because it is. But make no mistake, Laxus's attack is larger. You can see the scale of the two attacks and compare it. Notice the trees surrounding the area when Ajeel casts sands of death, and notice titan Makarov's size in comparison to those trees. Also notice Makarov's size in comparison to Ajeel. Now notice how one of Laxus' casual lightning bolts dwarf Makarov. This casual lightning bolt is on the same scale as the nuke Mirajane showed in Satan Soul. If you have a hard time swallowing this, I'll show another lightning bolt, this time scaling it to several buildings. Then notice the scale of Laxus' nuke, where there are completely no trees in sight. Meaning either the lightning engulfed all of them, or the image is zoomed back far enough that the trees are not visible. In fact, we can see that Laxus' nuke reaches the skies, and above the level the airship was flying at. Finally, we have Mirajane's nuke... In which both Mirajane and several trees can be seen and scaled towards Mirajane.

Spoiler: Sands of Death (notice the trees)

Spoiler: Laxus' bolt

Spoiler: Laxus's bolt v2

Spoiler: Laxus' nuke

Spoiler: Mirajane's nuke

Mirajane's attack in Alegria takeover isn't even that large. In the crunchyroll scans, you can see Mirajane's figure in front of the smoke (click on image to zoom in). That means she is way closer to us than those palm trees in the back ground. The dust she kicks off doesn't scale to the trees off in the back ground, it scales to the size of Mirajane in the foreground. Furthermore, the Alegria takeover wiped out most of Mirajane's magic and causes her to wobble and collapse to her knees. I've been in several arguments over whether or not several characters have gone all out. If ever there was a case of a character having gone all out, this is it. Laxus fought Wahl, and then proceeded to go on to fight a historia of Hades. Wahl is a Spriggan 12, and he's not a human either. He's a robot with the means of casting Etherion. I highly doubt Juliet and Heine combined are close to even Hade's level, let alone a Spriggan's.

Spoiler: Smoke from attack (click to enlarge

Spoiler: Mirajane's condition after Alegria takeover

So all that's left is the same tired argument that Seilah takeover is going to Macro everyone into submission. Which if it didn't put Mirajane ahead of everyone before chapter 492, still shouldn't put Mirajane ahead of everyone now.

 

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So , you guys logic is the bigger the attack is the stronger it is? I don't think so ...lol

Size is one factor that goes into determining what attack is stronger. Damage dealt and durability of opponents are others.

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I agree hax has no limits as long as non have been stated but still, understand us, saying Freed is over the likes of Erza, Gray, etc. is a little bit far-fetched.

Hax should have sensible limits, and they should be limited to what we see they can do. For example, something like Arc of Embodiment should limited by the amount of MP the user can put into what it creates. Rustyrose can't simply imagine a creature that is stronger than Acnologia. Stuff like Midnight's refraction should be limited by how powerful the incoming attack is. If it was really that simple for Mirajane to cast Macro on everybody, she should have used the Seilah takeover, and just be done with it. Instead Mirajane deemed it necessary to use her Alegria takeover, which ended up burning through most of her magical power. Seilah soul doesn't seem to take up nearly as much MP as Alegria.