Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Ebony Maw]

Well he did end it quickly, no roar or anything like that. I'm not saying he held back on punches. Just that I didn't see him use magic in that mode. You make a good point, but if Bradman could have been hurt without the need of absorbing his particles, he'd be just that from attacks, hurt. Meaning it would still have been a close fight. I'd assume he would be more cautious if he was hittable from the start, but he'd have taken the damage and get worn out too. He might not have been able to hit, but he did trade shots with Gajeel and both also traded roars which neither overpowered the other. Gajeel took damage because he could be damaged, and if you account the times Gajeel hit him, a tangible Bradman would be in a lot of pain too.

Fair points, I agree that tangible Bradman would definitely have had one hell of a fight with Base Gajeel. As for him holding back, I guess it could be seen in that way, I suppose the way I'd put it is that while Gajeel was in a rage and fighting for his life he wasn't really thinking and didn't use any of his heavy hitters beside his fists.

 

[Firepower]

Fair points, I agree that tangible Bradman would definitely have had one hell of a fight with Base Gajeel. As for him holding back, I guess it could be seen in that way, I suppose the way I'd put it is that while Gajeel was in a rage and fighting for his life he wasn't really thinking and didn't use any of his heavy hitters beside his fists.

Gajeel didn't hold back on his strength. I just don't think he showed his strongest magic he got while in df mode. He was in a rage and was going crazy with a barrage of punches that ended it. I believe he was hitting Bradman as hard as he could, but he probably had spells stronger than that. Just that it would take more time to charge up before firing. It didn't look spectacular because he was in a hurry to finish Bradman and did it with only punches and no roar or anything to go out with a flashy bang.

 

[Char]

Hmmm we don't know how Larcade's magic works. Does he automatically affect his target by looking at him + joining the palms? Is there any 'lapse'? Is it automatic? Does it spend a lot of magic power from the user? Does it have any limit (how many people can he kill at the same time / what if they are strong-ish opponents)?

For all we know, we have two mages who can probably instantly kill you upon joining his palms: Larcade and Jacob. Larcade pulls your soul out of your body whereas Jacob transports you to a dimension where he's omnipotent...

AAAh... these haxes......... we need explanations! :P

 

[Hermit]

Hmmm we don't know how Larcade's magic works. Does he automatically affect his target by looking at him + joining the palms? Is there any 'lapse'? Is it automatic? Does it spend a lot of magic power from the user? Does it have any limit (how many people can he kill at the same time / what if they are strong-ish opponents)?

Isn't it obvious? Larcade is a Shinigami, he sends souls to heaven by using his Zanpakuto behind his back, the good souls go to Soul Society while the evil people he exorcises become Hollow and join the Alvarez troops as scrubs for Emperor Aizen Spriggan

 

[Crimson Ice]

Mira also said they might not able to defeat jura
that translated for you into jura > Mira + pre so erza

And? That topped with Jura's potrayal it was more than justifible.

Mp can be activated. Interesting. Erza didn't activate her mp
Nor did ajeel or jura for that matter.

MP is a passive thing that is always activated, the only time MP isn't sensible is when something has happened to the caster.

Reputation is the reason for the treatment erza got and you know for a fact jura hype was based on his mp not his reputation. yeah ok.

It's on his MP and his reputation has 5th in the Wizard Saints what are you talking about?

Mavis never said laxus was our only hope strange.

So? Does Mira have to say everything? Mavis threw their strongest fighter at Jura because she had no actual plan to beat Jura unlike everyone else.

there is grand magical games guide book too. It has some funny stuffs. But I am sure you will come up with some crap reason for that too.

Are you talking about the stats? That's Jason's opinion and the sats are wrong, the stats have Sting and Rouge stronger than Natsu and Gajeel.

Statements are valid when they are shown to be true. Not when you want them to be true. You don't define when they are true or not.

Statements are valid if they're said in the right context by the right source. You can't say if they're proven to be true because sometimes the statements are the only thing we've got.

Irrelevant, they have same mind set. One isn't struggling more than other. Means you are just sh!ting yourself.
I mention mp because you seems to be only who is good one at detecting mp.

They didn't have the 'sam mind set' the whole time.

Tera clemare wasn't Azuma power. It was gildarts power, natsu power and pretty much every fairy tail mage power on that island and power of the land too. Yes it is above Hades 25 formula which rendered laxus pretty much useless. Of course erza was hit by it twice and still fought on
afterwards

It's mad of small portions of everyone's MP not the entirety so no it isn't above the Amaterasu 25 that's yet another baseless statement by you.

and erza wasnt effected by her previous fights when they fought Hades? Yep just like laxus wasn't effected by previous events when natsu was beating the crap out of him

When did I say that? Your argument is soo bad you hae to put words in my mouth.

How is fire weak to wind? How fire is not weak to iron. Please show me this advantage aria had by using some actual panels from natsu vs aria.

IT IS LITERALLY STATED WIND IS SUPER EFFECTIVE AGAINST FIRE. THIS WAS NEVER STATED FOR IRON DON'T MAKE THINGS UP TO SUIT YOUR ARGUMENT. WIND IS EFFECTIVE AGAINST FLAME PERIOD.

Sorry blinded aria was stronger than gajeel by alot. you can see it by complete hopelessness from natsu and happy.
erza will probably end up one shoting gajeel with heaven wheel.

NATSU WAS LOSING DUE TO BACT MATCHUP AND JOSE HIMSELF SAYS GAJEEL>ARIA

And you can keep on saying its a bad matchup, it wont make it true.

Too bad it as true and was said in the manga.

And of course you can ignore racer beating up crap out of natsu and gray at the same time and still couldn't do sh!t to erza with cobra. Wait cobra was overwhelming erza, was that the same day gajeel was beating the crap out of laxus.
Dreaming sh!t up now.

OS arc is 100 chapters into the manga, I clearly said Natsu was on par with Erza BoS so all of thsi is damn irrelevant.

Laxus is on same level as base Hades. Hades pretty much one shot him. And ones Hades started fight laxus landed only one hit on him.

Both landed two hits on each other and then Laxus gave up he was never beaten. Laxus is on the sam level as Base Hades when Erza barely beat Azuma.

But they are on same level.

Yes

I suppose by that logic erza is on same level as aconologia.

Nice strawman.

mp gives stats. Ok since erza mp is > laxus mp. Shouldn't her stat be higher.

Laxus has more MP though LOOL.

I can see there is no way anything can be proven to you.
Mira saw jura and she makes a bs statement that maybe Mira with erza help couldn't defeat jura. Nothing mp or activation of mp occurred . Pure reputation was used

MP isn't activated.

But no
Erza getting special attention that's reputation only. Even though she is standing right next natsu and thus by your logic people should have figured out that their mp is around each other. But that obviously is a no no.

That's irrelevant because through Erza's own admission they're equal plus Natsu avoided Erza and only started grouping up once Lucy had joined the guild, way after Erza had gotten her reputation.

You know I wouldn't have that much problem in believing in that hype if it wasn't for you people blowing holes all over your logic.

You blew hole in nothing.

Not one person has proven why aria was a bad matchup for natsu. I mean show some panels, but no.

Go read the Natsu and Eigor fight.

Not one can show how is laxus is stronger than erza without making baseless assumptions. That's far cry from being on different tier

Any arc they have both had a major fight in Laxus has outperformed Erza by a lot topped with his portrayal it's easily shown Laxus is>>> Erza it's not my falut you ignore everything.

No one has compared laxus cqc with erza cqc

So? Do they need to make a comparison in verse just for one to be stronger? LMAO

Laxus lb speed vs erza souring armor speed
No one has compared erza attack strength with laxus attack strength

Same as above.

Instead people just make baseless assumption or compare wrecked erza to full fresh nakamized laxus or say fairy law. a broken spell which would not translate to laxus > erza + mira
But into laxus >> erza + Mira + natsu + ogra + jura + jellal + bluenote + zero

Nothing is baseless about that nor was Laxus 'nakamized' and it's laughable you say FL doesn't add to one's strength.

I think I have had enough.

Good because I'm tired of repeating myself.

 

[The President]

I don't really think Mashima specifying certain spriggans as being more powerful loses the credibility of his previous statement(Brandishes,Hyberion's comments). I agree with the magic power statement, but as i have already said almost all of them have some form of hax, so it really comes down to when each one decides to use it. I personally don't like judging it that way, which is why i say they are roughly on par with each other. It is subjective though, for the most part we are saying similar things.

I do. What he is doing when he says they are all on the same level is set the standard, he tries to let us know approximately what to expect from them. After that he creates their abilities and hypes them up even more (depending on character to character) as he pleases. When Brandish and Hyberion said what they said, Hiro wasn't even set on the character designs (only about 5-6 actually match-up), let alone their powers. Furthermore, Hyberion is not really a credible source cause he can't possibly know any of their powers except for Serenas. Brandish is a far more credible source but the fact that there have been so many contradictions including from herself means that we take the authors updated hype over his old hype.

I don't think Erza can outrun Transport seeing as how it's pretty much instant when he claps his hands.

Its actually far from instant after he claps his hands.

Spoiler

Its hard to judge time based on panels, but if I were to take a guess thats gotta be at least 3-5 seconds. The attack initiates and then Makarov has enough time to say what is this and everyone stands there for a little while more before they disappear.

As far as Dimaria i agree i would place her with them if i had a ranking( i will work on that haha), but seeing as how i believe Bradman and Jacob are also on that level, i think we can agree to disagree here. Overall i don't think what we are saying is that far apart, i just think you have more distinct "tiers" than i do. Which is fine, all this stuff is super subjective anyway, and as i have said before FT has one of the more inconsistent power scales imo, mostly due to power inflation.

I think Bradman is the third strongest Spriggan actually (I don't know if you think I thought otherwise), besides Invel and Larcade of course (who are featless but both have a high probability of being stronger). I agree as a whole though, this stuff is all subjective.

 

[Indira]

But wouldn't you put evaporating a lake on the same level on melting the stadium? The AOE is most likely the same, and Natsu melting everyone's clothes in the stadium is akin to him burning off Lessio's clothes? The two feats honestly don't seem all that different, so I can argue that base Natsu can't melt a stadium, but FDKM Natsu can

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The feats could speak for themselves, plus it would be similar to Gray using Devil Slaying Magic with the tattoo (against Azir and Goumon) and without the tattoo (against Ur)

Actually Gray doesn't use any tattoo anymore since he most likely relearned his Des magic after Silver's power ran out.

Whenever he's in DeS mode, his hair spiked up (which looks similar to Cobra's), and has shown to have cursing marks spreading over half of his face with red eyes looking more demonic. In the battle against Ur, Gray used a devil slaying spell in his base mode (since he didn't have any spike hair/curse markings)

So we know that both base Gray and Des Gray can use Des spells.

 

[Xzilerate]

I don't see how Brandish or Hyberion's statements aren't still credible at this point. Hyberion said the Sprggan 12 could match the power of Ishgar's strongest wizard. That statement doesn't suggest there couldn't be some among them who exceed that power. It just means they can at the very least match Serena's magical power. It's the same with Brandish's statement. She says there's 11 more wizards of this power in Alvarez. That doesn't mean there couldn't be some who exceed that power.

 

[Indira]

Question: Can Dimaria with Age seal defeat dragons?
My thought is no because of Dragon's immense durability and how only DS magic effects them. Not sure tho.

 

[The President]

I don't see how Brandish or Hyberion's statements aren't still credible at this point. Hyberion said the Sprggan 12 could match the power of Ishgar's strongest wizard. That statement doesn't suggest there couldn't be some among them who exceed that power. It just means they can at the very least match Serena's magical power. It's the same with Brandish's statement. She says there's 11 more wizards of this power in Alvarez. That doesn't mean there couldn't be some who exceed that power.

If you are trying to use those statements to suggest they are all of equal strength then that doesn't work, it has been contradicted. Especially with Brandish, who is being overly specific in saying that there are 11 more (2 of which are Irene and August) of her level of power, whereas Hyberion is making a general statement.

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Question: Can Dimaria with Age seal defeat dragons?
My thought is no because of Dragon's immense durability and how only DS magic effects them. Not sure tho.

No, but not because only DS affects them as thats already been proven wrong. Simply because she lacks the firepower to injure a dragon. Her strongest attack got blocked by Wendy's barrier and dragons are resistant (not immune) to magic.

 

[Xzilerate]

If you are trying to use those statements to suggest they are all of equal strength then that doesn't work, it has been contradicted. Especially with Brandish, who is being overly specific in saying that there are 11 more (2 of which are Irene and August) of her level of power, whereas Hyberion is making a general statement.

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No, but not because only DS affects them as thats already been proven wrong. Simply because she lacks the firepower to injure a dragon. Her strongest attack got blocked by Wendy's barrier.

No, that wasn't what I was saying and it's likely not meant to be interpreted that way. Hyberion's statement is likely meant to be interpreted that all 12 can at the very least match Serena's magical power. Some might exceed it (August, Irene, etc.). Brandish's statement is likely meant to be interpreted as the other 11 are at least as strong as Brandish. Some may be stronger (August, Irene, etc.). There's no contradictions in either statement if they're interpreted that way. Neither statement was meant to suggest all 12 are straight up equals. They were meant to give us a baseline for their strength (Serena and Brandish). Never did those two statements suggest there couldn't be Spriggan stronger than that baseline.

 

[The President]

No, that wasn't what I was saying and it's likely not meant to be interpreted that way. Hyberion's statement is likely meant to be interpreted that all 12 can at the very least match Serena's magical power. Some might exceed it (August, Irene, etc.). Brandish's statement is likely meant to be interpreted as the other 11 are at least as strong as Brandish. Some may be stronger (August, Irene, etc.). There's no contradictions in either statement if they're interpreted that way. Neither statement was meant to suggest all 12 are straight up equals. They were meant to give us a baseline for their strength (Serena and Brandish). Never did those two statements suggest there couldn't be Spriggan stronger than that baseline.

Nor was it ever stated that there couldn't be Spriggan weaker then that set standard. Which is more or less what I'm saying. The statement(s) was simply to set a standard (so Hiro did not write himself into a corner), as the story progressed Hiro built upon their power levels and established more refine Spriggan levels (although apart from August/Irene, they are still mostly subjective). In my personal opinion there are around four levels to the Spriggan rankings, much like it was with the demons of Tartarus and the Kin.

 

[Xzilerate]

Nor was it ever stated that there couldn't be Spriggan weaker then that set standard. Which is more or less what I'm saying. The statement(s) was simply to set a standard (so Hiro did not write himself into a corner), as the story progressed Hiro built upon their power levels and established more refine Spriggan levels (although apart from August/Irene, they are still mostly subjective). In my personal opinion there are around four levels to the Spriggan rankings, much like it was with the demons of Tartarus and the Kin.

Two statements making it very clear that Serena/Brandish are the baseline for all the Spriggan pretty much says that. It was never said only a few of them met that criteria. Both statements made it apparent that all 12 met that criteria. I'm not going to assume there's a Spriggan weaker than that standard when nothing other than fan interpretation (which I completely ignore seeing as we don't write the manga, Mashima does) so far has pointed to it. I can assume there will be Spriggan stronger than that standard because nothing has suggested there couldn't be.

You're free to believe what you will, but don't insinuate Hyberion and Brandish's statements can't be used because they've been contradicted. They're only contradicted if you want to believe the statements were meant to suggest all 12 were straight up equal with nothing suggesting a few of them could be above the set baseline of Serena/Brandish, which IMO, is quite a faulty interpretation of those two statements.

 

[Char]

Question: Can Dimaria with Age seal defeat dragons?
My thought is no because of Dragon's immense durability and how only DS magic effects them. Not sure tho.

You said "defeat" but I'm going to guess you meant "affect".
This is again the NLF. Some will say Dimaria's age seal affects any creature (dragons included), some will say dragons are exempt; some will say it only affects those less powerful than her, some will say it affects everyone; some will say it only affects an area of "x" meters/km, some will say it stops the absolute time (hyperverse, whatever); etc.

IMO if you ask me, time is time. Ultear could go to the past by one minute and that affected the whole world (the whole universe?). If Dimaria stops time, then she does stop time, and time is hyperversal I guess. So can she stop time for dragons? Hmm... I don't know, can she stop time even if a stronger entity than herself prevents her from doing so? Who knows!!

 

[The President]

Two statements making it very clear that Serena/Brandish are the baseline for all the Spriggan pretty much says that. It was never said only a few of them met that criteria. Both statements made it apparent that all 12 met that criteria. I'm not going to assume there's a Spriggan weaker than that standard when nothing other than fan interpretation (which I completely ignore seeing as we don't write the manga, Mashima does) so far has pointed to it. I can assume there will be Spriggan stronger than that standard because nothing has suggested there couldn't be.

No, neither Serena nor Brandish are used as the baseline for the Spriggans in the way you are implying they are used. They aren't the minimum (weakest), they are the starting point for comparisons.......because they are the first Spriggan introduced. Furthermore, in neither of the statements is it downright stated that God or Brandish are the absolute weakest, it is simply stated that their power can be matched or that the Spriggan are of the same power (ie at the same level). So yes, the statements are contradicted in most interpretations.

 

[Xzilerate]

No, neither Serena nor Brandish are used as the baseline for the Spriggans in the way you are implying they are used. They aren't the minimum (weakest), they are the starting point for comparisons.......because they are the first Spriggan introduced. Furthermore, in neither of the statements is it downright stated that God or Brandish are the absolute weakest, it is simply stated that their power can be matched or that the Spriggan are of the same power (ie at the same level). So yes, the statements are contradicted in most interpretations.

Yes, they are. All 12 Spriggan were said to be capable of matching Serena in terms of magical power. The same with Brandish. Those two statements suggest that no Spriggan is inferior to them in terms of magical power. That makes them the set standard for the Spriggan 12 as a whole in terms of magical power.

And no, it's only contradicted if you take the statements to mean they're all equal with not a single one with the potential to be stronger than the set standard (Brandish and Serena). And that's not how I believe it should be interpreted at all. It should be interpreted to mean that the Spriggan 12 (as in all of them) can at the very least match Serena and Brandish in power. Never was it suggested in those statements that some of the Spriggan couldn't possess power beyond that standard. And as we've seen, two of them do possess power beyond that standard in August and Irene.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Wendy doesn't have barriers. What she used was her enchantment spell to amp Chelia's defense.

No

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/476/13

 

[Jko]

No

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/476/13

You are wrong.

Spoiler

Like I said Wendy doesn't have barriers she only has enchantments.

 

[Janard]

S++

Acnologia

S+

Zeref
August
Irene

S

Dimaria
Natsu (Igneel Powered)
God Serena
Larcade
Laxus
Jellal
Brandish
Wahl
Invel

A+

Bradman
Neinheart
Jacob
Ajeel
Erza
Mirajane
GOI
Gajeel (DF)
Gray (DS)
Ultear
Sherria (TO)

A

Makarov
Jura
Rufus
Sting
Rogue
Orga
Minerva
Kagura
Erik/Cobra
Macbeth/Midnight
Lyon
Wendy (DF)
Juvia
Ichiya

A-

Richard/Hoteye
Meredy
Sawyer/Racer
Cana (Fairy Glitter)
Freed
Sorano
Juliet & Heine

B+

Elfman
Bickslow
Millianna
Evergreen

B

Levy
Lisanna

 

[Static]

S+

Acnologia
Zeref
August
Irene

S

Dimaria
Natsu (Igneel Powered)
God Serena
Larcade
Laxus
Jellal
Brandish
Wahl
Invel

A+

Bradman
Neinheart
Jacob
Ajeel
Erza
Mirajane
GOI
Gajeel (DF)
Gray (DS)
Ultear
Sherria (TO)

A

Makarov
Jura
Rufus
Sting
Rogue
Orga
Minerva
Kagura
Erik/Cobra
Macbeth/Midnight
Lyon
Wendy (DF)
Juvia
Ichiya

A-

Richard/Hoteye
Meredy
Sawyer/Racer
Cana (Fairy Glitter)
Freed
Sorano
Juliet & Heine

B+

Elfman
Bickslow
Millianna
Evergreen

B

Levy
Lisanna

Acnologia is on a completely different tier.