So would you agree that with FDKM/BDKM (whichever you prefer) Natsu is at least = Laxus/Jellal? Because everyone keeps wanking Laxus to be on Gildarts' current level.
And what has Gray done in this arc to put him above Erza? Before this arc, there has been nothing to show Gray>Erza, therefore, if we are assuming that Erza stagnated (which is foolish), it means at the least it still remains the same, Erza>Gray, at least until Gray shows something himself. And using the logic that Gray has a trump card, so based on that trump card, he's above Erza, is just....no words. Until he shows that trump card and it ends up being impressive, it means squat.
Based on hype, scaling, puts Gray ahead of Erza, so therefore Gray>Erza. I'm basing it on his full demonized form+trump card, that he'll be above Erza, even if he doesn't have the sufficient feats so far. This is a power ranking thread, not a feats thread. Heck I'd put ISD Gajeel ahead of Erza.
Yeah more or less.
What perspective? The first one? Yeah obviously. I am talking about the second one, which shows more then the total width of the island and Acnologia hovering above it. That doesn't make the island look small, thats about as perfect as a perspective for scaling as it gets.
Wow I am baffled. You do realize that Laxus and Gajeel being more durable then Makarov is part of my argument right? I did not agree to anything, this is my post before you even came in to waste my time.
Your inability to understand the arguments being made or having been made and then throwing around these types of statements make your credibility as a debater decrease by the second. I could continue to spoon feed you with quotes, or you could go back and re-read the debate yourself because you clearly don't even have an inkling of an idea of whats going on. Your drive to keep going is based on anger and it shows.
How do you go from me saying I can't read minds to me saying I could read minds? Reading comprehension is something you evidently lack, but this is just something else.
Thats cute. Look at you, instantly getting angry and going straight to insults like a little kid would.
lol the hypocrisy here is absurd. Literally every word that comes out of your mouth accusing me of doing something is something you have done yourself. How are you not embarrassed yet? You've got some will power on you mate. My feelings are fine, I am not the one thats throwing a tantrum because he got insulted. lol you even throw around the word disowning, how are you not banned yet.
Na dude, they were strong enough to survive against Mard to some extent. Sure he wasn't trying, but even then we outright saw them tanking one of his attacks with relative ease. The dragons inhibited their growth with dragon force, they prevented them from getting closer to a dragon, but their basic skills weren't inhibited.
What else is water magic going to do? Naturally its deadliness is going to be from its pressure, breaking rocks isn't that impressive. Not to mention the rocks around them are already broken up because of his cavern dragon move.
Laxus should be closer to BDKM Natsu than he is to Glidartz IMO (not by far though), so Glidartz >> Laxus > Natsu. Of course, I'm talking about the hyped character of last week's chapter, "Fairy Tail's strongest", and following his portrayal of always being superior to Laxus.
How would Laxus be > FDKM? It took all of his power to be able to kill Wahl at the end after feeding off of the energy. Natsu without much effort one-shotted Jacob with a Demolition One-Shot (that's what i'm calling it). I'd say at least they're =
problem with Laxus vs Wahl and Jacob vs Natsu, Lucy and FT is Laxus wasn't at his best when he destroyed Wahl. heck, Wahl was getting stronger for each lightning attack Laxus gave him while Jacob is not really that strong. without Transport, he is shit. Natsu didn't defeat Jacob with no effort. he used his strongest mode(excluding DF) with one of his strongest attacks to finish off Jacob who was defenseless in that position. not to mention that Laxus didn't use DS magic against Wahl. that and Laxus would probably one shot Ajeel if he is serious, not with that casual nuke but a serious one.
There was actually a debate about this a few pages ago but most of us think it's a plot hole because:
You can't really call him weak without Transport. His CQC skills weren't bad and his destructive power has to also be large if he helped in destroying Bosco seeing as to how August got Serena who casually nukes things as well. People just underrate Jacob for his dumb weakness and because he lost to the MC.
Jacob doesn't have big firepower. he has good CQC and he has weapons. he doesn't have firepower like Natsu, Jellal, Laxus and etc. he is an Assassin. firepower is not his forte. he assassinates his opponents via stealth and Transport. I bet August and God Serena are more responsible for destroying Bosco, especially Serena.
Gray hasn't proved to be above Erza yet, that's for sure. She was able to counter Ajeel's sand with wind, whereas Gray wasn't even able to freeze it in his demonic form. That puts to rest any argument of him being superior with his Ice Devil Slayer magic active, when we haven't seen anything that would undoubtedly put him above Erza in terms of power. She has shown more this arc and based off of that, she is clearly superior.
That is correct. If we compare their performance this arc, Erza is also above Mirajane. While Mirajane certainly improved in terms of overall power with her new Take Overs, her proficiency with Seilah's curse is not as great as the demon was, as shown when some Alvarez soldiers were able to resist her Macro. Therefore, assuming that this would work on Erza because Seilah's did is a fallacy, because Erza is far stronger than mere soldiers.
But what leads you to say that Natsu would high-diff him? So if Laxus ends it the same way as Natsu then they're both equals. Natsu doesn't use electricity so he should mid-diff at most. From the extent of his power and feats he's >= Laxus.
There are a few big differences. For starters the quantity of MBP in the air caused by Tempestas suicidal technique was far greater then the passive MBP that Bradman releases, especially since Levy never actually went CQC with him. Secondly, Laxus consumed a huge amount of MBPs, enough to save the village on his own accord. Thirdly, Levy was not inhaling it, she was absorbing it through the skin which would logically be less effective and take more time to take effect then if she had downright inhaled anything.
Wahl has some firepower that hurt Laxus to extreme, not to mention Etherion while Jacob barely did anything to Natsu and Lucy. Natsu hasn't really surpassed Laxus yet nor Gildarts. Laxus nuke would probably defeat Jacob and it might even kill him and that was casual as day. by feats both Laxus and Natsu would be equal because they defeated their opponents(Spriggans). by hype, I say Laxus ranks higher than Natsu.
Yeah I can agree with that. Laxus always gets hyped up a lot.
Eh, I still feel that his MBP's would have killed Levy quickly had she not been wearing the mask. Also her not entering CQC with him doesn't really matter, it's range is pretty big considering Bill was nowhere near Bradman when he died (I know Bill is fodder but still) and the Thunder Tribe went down in moments too. Other than that I agree, my Laxus point isn't really accurate so I'll concede that.
I'm taking into account the size of the attack, he literally covered the GOI with that attack while with Natsu and the others were still afloat when he used an attack with them, it's pretty obvious where he was serious and where he wasn't...
Pretty sure Erza has always been inferior to Gray ever since Tartarus since Gray was manhandling Mard Geer alone while Erza was having problems with Kyouka and even a weaker Sayla, also In Avatar Gray beat Goumon in one hit while Erza was given trouble by Jerome...
Easy, Mirajane Alegria is stronger than Nakagami Erza, her armor won't do anything to Mira so that already puts Mira above Erza