Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[sharkai]

It wasn't a sneak attack, controlling the earth is what Hoteye does. And Erza was already on the ground when Racer attacked her, and he tagged her. She never avoided him so the claim that Racer could not tag Pre-TS Erza is false, or at least baseless.



Base Jellal being a fair bit faster then Pre-TS Flight Armour Erza is still impressive and telling of just how fast Jellal is. I was refuting the comparison between the two anyways.



Debatable. Bradman and DiMaria (Takeover) are pretty fast themselves, Wahl's speed ain't half bad either (equal to current base Laxus speed).

It doesn't matter what he does. Erza attacked cobra with full confidence knowing her team will handle the rest. Racer attacked erza from behind That was also a sneak attack. Erza still didn't know her entire team was on floor. Then hot eye also attacked. That was a sneak attack.
No racer couldn't tag erza even base erza unless others help.

Jellal is probably only faster than base os erza. Not souring armor erza.
She blocked racer when she wasn't even looking at him. Jellal dodged racer when he was fully aware of racer.
What souring armor erza faced was complete different situation to what jellal faced. He knew everything about them. And he knew he was the only fighter.
Erza knew nothing.

Don't remember any speed feat from Bradman. Dimeria laser attacked pretty fast. Wahl could barely keep up with laxus. And not lb laxus.
Ajeel meanwhile causally waltzed around erza. And no laxus can't waltz around erza like that. Atleast not without lb.
Thus ajeel movement speed should be fastest among the above mentioned. Especially since erza is pretty fast herself.

 

[Crimson Ice]

When did Wahl struggle to keep up with Laxus when he wasn't using lightning body? Not to mention Laxus' reaction speed should still be good enough to toss Erza around in. The gap between Laxus and Erza is BIG currently. By the way this whole speed thing is

 

[sharkai]

When did Wahl struggle to keep up with Laxus when he wasn't using lightning body? Not to mention Laxus' reaction speed should still be good enough to toss Erza around in. The gap between Laxus and Erza is BIG currently. By this whole speed thing is

No it's not.

Just laxus fanboys
Who like to believe in selective hype to prove their own bs

 

[Summer]

No it's not.

Just laxus fanboys
Who like to believe in selective hype to prove their own bs

Erza is not that fast.... compare to laxus .
Beside that if erza used her fastest armor she's not strong and her defence is low .

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Erza can only use one armor at a time , there's no use if she is fast but weak.

 

[sharkai]

Erza is not that fast.... compare to laxus .
Beside that if erza used her fastest armor she's not strong and her defence is low .

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Erza can only use one armor at a time , there's no use if she is fast but weak.

Erza is pretty fast.
She once blitz jellal who was using thought projection
Os jellal was shocked at how fast she moved
And markarov couldn't even follow gmg moment.

Laxus without lb wouldn't be that faster than base erza.
And erza reacting to racer who blitz natsu gray and three other fodders at the same time, even though she wasn't aware of racer or his magic.
I doubt lb is going to help laxus a lot in a fight against erza.

Yes, erza souring armor is very weak. But movement speed should be fast enough to dodge and dance.
But here we are only talking about speed alone

 

[Woodenstool]

Strawman fallacy again, never said current Glidartz is not fast but could you show me a panel that proves so? Thx !

The panel you show to prove so shows GLidartz and Serena like 10 meters from each other and in a couple of panels they clash. They move 5 meters in a couple of panels, how is this fast? Also, a depowered version of GS moves as fast as Glidartz in that case.

The shockwave is from the clash not from the speed.

How would you know that shockwave wasn't from the speed impact? Do you not know physics?

Gildarts punches divided clouds, it took one of Laxus's attacks to that. Provide evidence for what you're saying bud, no one takes you seriously.

 

[Static]

How would you know that shockwave wasn't from the speed impact? Do you not know physics?

Gildarts punches divided clouds, it took one of Laxus's attacks to that. Provide evidence for what you're saying bud, no one takes you seriously.

1) Applying physics in FT, are we? I believe that never works.

2) I believe its the opposite. You are way too biased towards Gildarts.

3) How is Gildarts just head-butting with Serena an example of flash speed?! Yet again you prove nothing and continue to thrash / ignore other people's thoughts, ideas, facts etc.

 

[Char]

How would you know that shockwave wasn't from the speed impact?

Uh because the image showcases that the shockwave occurrs AFTER the headbut not after he jumps toward GS.

Do you not know physics?

Not much tbh, but what does it have to do with it anyway?

Gildarts punches divided clouds, it took one of Laxus's attacks to that.

Uhh why u bring Laxus here? XD

Provide evidence for what you're saying bud,

Ayy, what would MH be without you, you make our day!!!!

no one takes you seriously.

 

[Takuan]

@Char you're savage dude xD

But yeah, anyway. I think we should all just stop replying to Woodenstool. Sorry @Woodenstool but you're clearly very biased towards Gildartz and you very often disregard people's counter arguments.
There's no point in arguing any further, otherwise this thread might be locked - again. And overal this is getting annoying.

 

[Jko]

He did connect, and so did Cobra. Against her fastest armour at that. He couldn't land a single hit on base Jellal, and meteor increases his speed exponentially.

After Hoteye jumped into the fray, before he didn't land one hit with the help of Cobra. She dodged Racer who tried to attack her from the back in her basic armor.

Spoiler

Soaring Armor also isn't her fastest armor. Red Pants/Samurai or Nakagami armor is.

More like Kagura was going to get tagged, and he acted as a meatshield for her.

Jellal blitzed Jura back on GMG.

Still couldn't even dodge that small explosion before it went off even if did have to grab Kagura.

Jellal blitzed a casual Jura who was barely taking the fight seriously. Jura didn't know it was Jellal until he did Grand Chariot.

They aren't that fast in combat/on the ground either. Or at least they have never shown to be.

Yeah the Dragons are the fastest. Acnologia and Igneel went into the outer atmosphere mid battle in seconds and the four parent Dragons blitzed across a Super continent within seconds. They are definitely the fastest being in this entire series.

Running through a bunch of fodders, is not impressive as a speed feat (or a feat in general for that matter).

Running through a bunch of road blocks and past the horizon twice in a split second is definitely a speed feat. It literally involves speed to do a feat like that.

Gotta ask why any of these two are here. Ajeel was dodging Erza pretty effortlessly. Mira.......blitzed two weak characters.

Mira blitzed from the Ground to the top of Mercurius Castle before Zirconis got to eat Lucy. And the top of that Castle is a couple KM in the sky.

Spoiler

Mira is definitely a speedster. Erza did tag Ajeel multiple time before he went into Sand World. She was also able to slash so fast you couldn't even tell she moved from her position.

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Both of these girls are fast characters that do can do their attacks as fast as they move. Unlike Jellal who got tagged by Sorano's fodder angels multiple times.

 

[Char]

@Takuan yeah, you're right. I don't want to give the impression I'm insulting @Woodenstool; unlike him, I am not. I just try to reason out with his "uncommon" logic to put it in some way. The gifs are to take it with humor not to disrespect I genuinely have fun in mangahelpers, there are a looooot of amazing people who can make awesome arguments.

I wouldn't want the thread closed- again; so I'd actually ask the mods not to take any of my replies as being bashing or downplaying anyone cause they're not

Besides, it doesn't hurt the eyes to see a gif every few sound and super well structured comments

@Jko agreed, Erza and Mira are fast but they don't have significant feats to put them on Laxus level. I don't think they are Laxus level, but, let's see what they've got to offer in upcoming battles.

 

[Jko]

@Takuan yeah, you're right. I don't want to give the impression I'm insulting @Woodenstool; unlike him, I am not. I just try to reason out with his "uncommon" logic to put it in some way. The gifs are to take it with humor not to disrespect I genuinely have fun in mangahelpers, there are a looooot of amazing people who can make awesome arguments.

I wouldn't want the thread closed- again; so I'd actually ask the mods not to take any of my replies as being bashing or downplaying anyone cause they're not

Besides, it doesn't hurt the eyes to see a gif every few sound and super well structured comments

@Jko agreed, Erza and Mira are fast but they don't have significant feats to put them on Laxus level. I don't think they are Laxus level, but, let's see what they've got to offer in upcoming battles.

I never said they were Laxus' lvl in speed lol. I put them a notch below him in my speed ranking. They still have the speed to tag him tho.

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

Yeah, we should stop responding to Woodenstool's post with the intention of being serious. It's a big waste of time tbh. Instead we should either sit back and laugh at her posts or troll her (without being mean) like @Char.

I never said they were Laxus' lvl in speed lol. I put them a notch below him in my speed ranking. They still have the speed to tag him tho.

Possibly. If we're going by the feats they currently have then they should have no way of touching him, but by portrayal and hype I'd say that they can probably tag him.

 

[Woodenstool]

@Takuan yeah, you're right. I don't want to give the impression I'm insulting @Woodenstool; unlike him, I am not. I just try to reason out with his "uncommon" logic to put it in some way. The gifs are to take it with humor not to disrespect I genuinely have fun in mangahelpers, there are a looooot of amazing people who can make awesome arguments.

I wouldn't want the thread closed- again; so I'd actually ask the mods not to take any of my replies as being bashing or downplaying anyone cause they're not

Besides, it doesn't hurt the eyes to see a gif every few sound and super well structured comments

@Jko agreed, Erza and Mira are fast but they don't have significant feats to put them on Laxus level. I don't think they are Laxus level, but, let's see what they've got to offer in upcoming battles.

Erza has a sword that hits her targets without them noticing, and she has 9 of them. Laxus is fast but there no way in hell HES dodging 9 swords that hit you without them noticing.

@Char you're savage dude xD

But yeah, anyway. I think we should all just stop replying to Woodenstool. Sorry @Woodenstool but you're clearly very biased towards Gildartz and you very often disregard people's counter arguments.
There's no point in arguing any further, otherwise this thread might be locked - again. And overal this is getting annoying.

im not biased, I provided evidence.
People say August's attacks can't be negated by Gildarts because it's too large. When Gildarts casually leveled a mountain which is far larger than the attack that August used.

Gildarts was able to destroy an attack from God Serena which was drowning the main cast. (Water neck level) and fire then his storm roar with just his body.

People bring up the part where Irene dodged Acnologias attack. Yeah she did but she didn't move from point A to point B instantly. She flipped over it and that attack was so obvious. And Irene didn't fight Acnologia, she pushed him back with a fire ball and teleported him away. Clearly Acnologia could've killed her when performing the attack because everyone else in the spell was able to move. He could move aswell and should've sliced her in half.

Gildarts has magic to negate spells that are bigger than mountains with ease. He was speed feats which no other character can replicate but Acnologia. People are clearly biased on Natsu, how'd he even get past Serena in the tournament?

Natsu may have demolition fist but Gildarts has crashed infused punches that can destroy mountain level attacks. Meaning if those two were to connect, Natsu's spell would be broken instantly.

Don't even bring up that BS that we was off guard. August is an OP Mage and should've been able to counter the attack. Ajeel was probably right, August has aged.

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

^Anyone else find it funny how the guy who said "I don't read essays" wrote all this simply because of the fair criticism they got from another user. No, just me? Ok then

Don't even bring up that BS that we was off guard. August is an OP Mage and should've been able to counter the attack. Ajeel was probably right, August has aged.

Really? I thought that he was the weakest member of the Spriggan 12.

 

[Vici]

Soaring Armor also isn't her fastest armor. Red Pants/Samurai or Nakagami armor is.

Nakagami is the strongest so far ( Most hacked ) but i don't see it be the fastest same goes to Red Pants ( Just my opinion )

Spoiler

This was the only time Erza speed was higher than Azuma and it was in Soaring Armor...I will go by by what we know that Red Pants decrease her Defense to let her summon Benizakura ( Increase Attack yeah speed at some degree as well ) while Soaring sacrifice Defense and Attack for Speed...

So IMO it's Erza fastest Amor and I don't see why it has been used in this discussion while we saw people counter it completely
Wingblade I don't buy that Armor before I will see it again in Action against someone worthy

Yeah I will add that Laxus without using Lighting to speed himself up may be slower than Erza in Soaring Armor but it changes drastically when Laxus covers himself in Lighting
As for Mira I would wait for something else from her during this Arc ( She is also fast I agree with that ) because so far she blitzed these two lieutenants while probably using her strongest form ( she called it her Ace ) and we saw characters do that earlier ( Even if Irene girls are stronger than them it won't be tiers above ) so I waiting for some feats during her vs Jacob and hope Hiro will actually focus on " Fighting "

Just my opinion passing by

3) How is Gildarts just head-butting with Serena an example of flash speed?!

Or maybe we have the wrong definition of speed inside our head because I can't see in that outstanding speed feat

 

[Jko]

Nakagami is the strongest so far ( Most hacked ) but i don't see it be the fastest same goes to Red Pants ( Just my opinion )

Spoiler

This was the only time Erza speed was higher than Azuma and it was in Soaring Armor...I will go by by what we know that Red Pants decrease her Defense to let her summon Benizakura ( Increase Attack yeah speed at some degree as well ) while Soaring sacrifice Defense and Attack for Speed...

So IMO it's Erza fastest Amor and I don't see why it has been used in this discussion while we saw people counter it completely
Wingblade I don't buy that Armor before I will see it again in Action against someone worthy

Yeah I will add that Laxus without using Lighting to speed himself up may be slower than Erza in Soaring Armor but it changes drastically when Laxus covers himself in Lighting
As for Mira I would wait for something else from her during this Arc ( She is also fast I agree with that ) because so far she blitzed these two lieutenants while probably using her strongest form ( she called it her Ace ) and we saw characters do that earlier ( Even if Irene girls are stronger than them it won't be tiers above ) so I waiting for some feats during her vs Jacob and hope Hiro will actually focus on " Fighting "

Just my opinion passing by


Or maybe we have the wrong definition of speed inside our head because I can't see in that outstanding speed feat

Makarov could keep track of soaring with his eyes but couldn't track Red Pants and Red Pants blitzed Kagura while Soaring Armor failed horribly lol.

Spoiler: Erza's Soaring Armor vs Kagura

Spoiler: Erza's Red Pants vs Kagura

So Red Pants is definitely higher and Nakagami is her strongest so it should be pretty higher than Soaring Armor too.

 

[Char]

Erza has a sword that hits her targets without them noticing, and she has 9 of them. Laxus is fast but there no way in hell HES dodging 9 swords that hit you without them noticing.

Technically, according to the version I read, that sword actually hit its target before it actually makes contact so it's an attribute of the sword not a speed feat. In any case, you believe Erza > Laxus in terms of speed?

People say August's attacks can't be negated by Gildarts because it's too large. When Gildarts casually leveled a mountain which is far larger than the attack that August used.

Hmmm nope, August's energy pilar was seen from a distance, for all we know it could very well be multi-mountain buster. As a matter of fact the light from the pillar could be seen from the guild before universe one; they were probably hundreds (thousands?) of km away.

Gildarts was able to destroy an attack from God Serena which was drowning the main cast. (Water neck level) and fire then his storm roar with just his body.

The main cast weren't even trying and God Serena was at 50% or less because he was a historia so it's not all that impressive if you ask me that Glidartz could crash his attack. Impressive for me would be Glidartz crashing August's attacks, which won't happen (or at least it's unlikely).

People bring up the part where Irene dodged Acnologias attack. Yeah she did but she didn't move from point A to point B instantly. She flipped over it and that attack was so obvious.

While you're right, at what speed did she flip over? Maybe it was at an extreme speed. Also, why do you claim that attack could be seen coming? I think it was borderline instantenous: he raised his arm, floor collapsed.

And Irene didn't fight Acnologia, she pushed him back with a fire ball and teleported him away.

While it was not a cqc battle, there was an interchange of attacks: Irene attacked, Acno tanked, Acno attacked, Irene dodged, Irene teleported him away. That could be considered a battle. A battle that Irene would've lost hadn't it been for U1.

Clearly Acnologia could've killed her when performing the attack because everyone else in the spell was able to move. He could move aswell and should've sliced her in half.

He was too surprised and overwhelmed by "an unbeknowst magic to even himself" to attack, but I guess in that second he could've blitzed her had he wanted. PiS?

Gildarts has magic to negate spells that are bigger than mountains with ease.

It may be right but you have no proof, you should try harder.

He was speed feats which no other character can replicate but Acnologia.

I'm not sure if the spin-offs are considered cannon, I'd say they're not, which means Glidartz only has decent speed feats but not good speed feats unlike Laxus. By powerscaling he might/should be around as fast as / maybe even faster than him but we don't have feats to prove so.

People are clearly biased on Natsu, how'd he even get past Serena in the tournament?

Because in the tournament, mods allowed a stupid version of Natsu, an Alvarez DF Natsu, which still hasn't appeared. Ofc DF Natsu could beat God Serena; but current Natsu, probably not.

Natsu may have demolition fist but Gildarts has crashed infused punches that can destroy mountain level attacks. Meaning if those two were to connect, Natsu's spell would be broken instantly.

If Glidartz can crash mountain level attacks then he can crash anything Natsu throws at him yes, but we don't know if he can crash such attacks (crashing a mountain =/= crashing a mountain busting attack)

Don't even bring up that BS that we was off guard. August is an OP Mage and should've been able to counter the attack. Ajeel was probably right, August has aged.

August is clearly the weakest Spriggan12 since he got stabbed by Brandish...

Spoiler

kidding

 

[Vici]

Makarov could keep track of soaring with his eyes but couldn't track Red Pants and Red Pants blitzed Kagura while Soaring Armor failed horribly lol.

Spoiler: Erza's Soaring Armor vs Kagura

Spoiler: Erza's Red Pants vs Kagura

So Red Pants is definitely higher and Nakagami is her strongest so it should be pretty higher than Soaring Armor too.

Valid points very valid +1

But shouldn't it mean that Erza red pants in terms of speed is way of faster than Laxus and Jura where Makarov Couldn't believe that Laxus keeping up with him( Makarov keeping up with these two with his eyes )... < ignore this ( bait )
Also during Erza vs Azuma Soaring Armor give Erza advantage in terms of speed over Azuma while with Red Pants she couldn't come to hit him.

In terms of speed i place Erza Armors like that Soaring/Red pants ( pretty close but wth slight advance to Soaring armor ) and then Wingblade ( need to see this against someone strong ) or Nakagami ( it's strongest but it doesn't mean it's fastest tbh it lacks speed feats of Soaring or Red Pants )

But as i said good point with Kagura and Erza ( even if the end of the fight was meh ...:P ) but i think that the main difference there have done Benizakura and Makarov words are almost like Happy words during Tartarous ( also i take in account the state that Kagura was in she was crying while fighting Erza you can't say she was focused atm )

 

[Char]

Red pants should be the most explosive 'armor' of Erza's, in the sense that it grants similar speed to her fastest armor + similar attack to her strongest armor in detriment of her defense.

Unfortunately for her, that red pants make her very fast don't make her as fast as Laxus. She could probably keep up with him but in a battle of speed he'd eventually beat her.

As for Azuma, I guess by the time she used red pants she was insanely tired and worn out already, but her speed feats are amazing with the red pants, so much so that Azuma was genuinely scared when one attack of hers almost hits him (he protected himself with an array of trees that benizakura cut like butter, except for the last one).

I recall Erza gained the ability to combine weapons from specific armors with other armors (for example, fire armor, water sword) back in the GMG and I recall seeing her having soaring armor + purgatory armor sword which ought to be pretty dope. Sadly we haven't seen her do that anymore except for vs Ajeel when she combined wind armor and water sword.