Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Boomburst]

So you're basically saying August is weaker than Laxus because he showed one spell that "wasn't as big as Laxus his nuke" according to you? Maybe you should wait until he actually gets a fight before you can judge ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Was that a counter argument or...

A statement as ridiculous as that doesn't deserve a counter argument. Any logical person can see the stupidity of that claim just by reading it.

 

[ArthurDayne]

That's just a weak pretext to deny the capabilities of Age Seal. Age Seal stopped time itself which means no one was able to move, including whoever is more powerful than Dimaria. Her magic affects time, not people. Unless you can show me someone who is stronger than Dimaria did move when she casted Age Seal, I'll believe you. Shamefully enough, you can't.

She effects time which effects people..Potato,potahto..And saying it's a weak pretext without offering any evidence seems like a weaker pretext to me. Huh? You do realize that the person who claims "Character A can do this" needs to show the proof,meaning you have to show me an instance where Age Seal worked on somebody stronger than Dimaria,not the other way around..If I say "Mirajane can use Macro on Zeref" I'm the one who has to prove that she can,rather than you proving that she can't. The "She affects time,not people" argument is meaningless.

I don't think Dimaria could kill the entire Spriggan Twelve and Fairy Tail before she runs out of MP. But featwise yeah, she should be able to kill most of them who don't got a way to counter her magic. That's just the logic Mashima has created.

No,it's not..It's the logic you created because Mashima didn't explain her power better. Why is she running out of MP when all she has to do is slash all of the Sprig 12+FT members throats? And does it make sense to you that Dimaria,who wasn't been hyped by anyone to be on a special pedestal,can kill August and Irene together even though every character who had the chance(including Brandish,who is actually her friend) claimed both of them would lolstomp people of Dimaria's caliber..Your interpretation is something I don't care about,Mashima's portrayal is what I consider.

So by your logic Natsu can counter Age Seal because he can? Hmm.

You can make the argument that she can use it on Natsu because Natsu is..
1-Clueless most of the time
2-Never stated to have significant MP comparable to Sprig's..(besides Igneel Power-up)
I wouldn't argue against it...But I wouldn't buy it against someone like Serena(who has x8 MP of Dragon Lacrima's) August,Irene,Jellal/Laxus(who are shown to be above the average spriggan),Larcade and maybe Invel..

God Serena will easily show better AoE and DC once he combines all of his spells.

You like mentioning things that never happened as feats right? He never did such a thing even if he could,that doesn't make the AoE bigger,maybe the DC.

Not to forget, God Serena can just eat Natsu's flames due to his Dragon Slayer advantage. So no, there is no way Natsu > God Serena.

That's an advantage due to element..It will make things harder for Natsu perhaps,but doesn't mean victory. Do you see Serena eating a FDKM Demolition Fist to the face? I don't..And Natsu tried to eat his...doesn't mean Serena can eat Natsu's..

Natsu couldn't attack him because God Serena's spell made him unable to do so. You can't deny that Historia God Serena overpowered Natsu out there. Without Gildarts appearance, God Serena's Storm Dragon spell would've end him

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Overpower? Do we read the same manga? Look at those panels again. Fire,Water and Storm...Fire was gonna be eaten,Water stopped it from being eaten and was a minor inconvenience to Natsu..It didn't damage him or anything..The Storm attack got stopped..You claim that the water attack "overpowered" him and the storm attack would've "end" him..Yeah,that is ridiculous...You are making assumptions that are nowhere grounded on reality and you're favoring one side over the other(whatever your reason may be)..

I'm saying that Natsu can one-shot HistSerena if he was serious...that's it. I'm saying that FDKM Natsu is on the same level,or at the least around the level of Serena when we factor in Serena's hype...With feats,he pales in comparison to Natsu's DC,AoE,and durability and the fact that you are creating hypothetical combol element DS attacks GS could have had ,will not change that.

Natsu was stomped because Natsu wouldn't been able to do a thing against God Serena if Gildarts didn't come in. He was rather useless. So unless you think Natsu can eat water, it's a fact that God Serena > Historia God Serena > Natsu.

Well even if the elemental advantage was too much for Natsu to handle(it wasn't though,that wasn't even a fight) that doesn't make Serena>Natsu overall...It just means that he is advantegous against him. Just like how Gray isn't stronger than Base Mard Geer even though he stomped him..Against someone Gray didn't have advantages over,then Mard Geer would fare better. But that's just my way of showing you that you're wrong..This was not the case with Natsu..

Natsu was hungry,jumped at the chance to eat the flames,Serena interrupted him and used an attack Gildarts crashed. He was not stomped...You clearly went out of your way to see it like that,but that did not happen. Natsu wasn't attacking,he wasn't damaged,there was no exchange..The worst thing Serena did to Natsu was stop him from eating his flames..That ain't stomping friend..

Anyhow,your thinking is way different that mine and you seem to have gotten somewhat hostile without a reason .."Shamefully enough"

Let's agree to disagree,I won't quote you again unless you have a solid argument.

 

[Summer]

Evergreen Stone eyes does work on stronger opponents so it's not entirely impossible for dimaria age seal to work on someone stronger .

Maybe August and Irene is hyped as the strongest becoz of their destructive power than dimaria . Dimaria without age seal is not that strong .

 

[Brandish μ]

Hax has limits. Some don't have that much reach, some do. Mest's memory magic was capable against Brandish, and Marin's space magic worked on Jacob (through Gemini)... they're examples of hax that have proven to be effective against much stronger people.

F.Rogue had dragon subjugation magic... a hax that was extra-effective at controlling dragons. This worked on dragons such as Atlas flame, but then he met a condition that could break it. Acnologia was not affected by this magic at all. So even within the manga there are examples where hax has been broken or shown to be ineffective with respect to circumstances or power of opponent. Mystogan's sleep magic is another such example, it dropped everyone in the guild except Laxus and Makarov, and Erza was close to resisting it (correct me if I'm wrong). There's more, I just can't think of them right now.

Considering that, DiMaria is a Spriggan, and she's someone who a time God has recognised. I've got no problem is someone says she's better than say Invel or Serena because of the sheer utility of Age Seal. Similarly if someone says that magic will have limits against Spriggan tiers I wouldn't disagree much either. But I'll draw the line at Irene and August, and Larcade too.

 

[Kiki]

I agree that August and Irene are two strongest Spriggan among their fellow teammates, albeit hax magic like Age Seal, Transport, Macro, Ice Slave, or Brandish's mass manipulation magic. Maybe why Dimaria and Brandish are still on iceberg and didn't join the fray is because sensei wants to show more of limits on Dimaria and Brandish's hax magic (Maybe when Dimaria activates Age Seal when Natsu and co arrives at the guild (if she still has Age Seal), August and Irene somehow manage to counter it).

Tempted enough to re-rank Spriggan 12, here is my list:
1. August
2. Irene Belserion
3-12. The rest

This "The rest" list, if I am forced to rank them (because I find it difficult to decide), it would be like (I split them into two tiers):
High tier (in no order)
Invel Yura
Dimaria Yesta
Brandish μ
Larcade Dragneel

Average Tier (in no order)
God Serena
Ajeel Raml
Jacob Lessio
Neinhart
Wall Eehto
Bradman

What I consider are hax magic they have, other Spriggan's statement, Zeref's compliments, their position, and benefit of the doubt. A lot of panels showed that August is the strongest Spriggan as well as leader of S12. Though Brandish just said that Irene is the strongest female Spriggan and no evidence that she can best other Spriggan bar August, the hype Brandish has said that only Irene, a witch who can defeat August is enough to place her on number 2.

Now talking about "High Tier", I put Dimaria and Brandish there because of their hax magic. Larcade, though we still haven't seen him in a fight, Zeref's compliment is enough to place him on this tier. I also put Invel in this tier because of his hax magic "Ice Slave" and position in Albareth kingdom.

 

[BluePegasus]

She effects time which effects people..Potato,potahto..And saying it's a weak pretext without offering any evidence seems like a weaker pretext to me. Huh? You do realize that the person who claims "Character A can do this" needs to show the proof,meaning you have to show me an instance where Age Seal worked on somebody stronger than Dimaria,not the other way around..If I say "Mirajane can use Macro on Zeref" I'm the one who has to prove that she can,rather than you proving that she can't. The "She affects time,not people" argument is meaningless.

I could ask the same to you, show me where it's stated that Age Seal doesn't affect mages with a high amount of MP. Good try.

No,it's not..It's the logic you created because Mashima didn't explain her power better. Why is she running out of MP when all she has to do is slash all of the Sprig 12+FT members throats? And does it make sense to you that Dimaria,who wasn't been hyped by anyone to be on a special pedestal,can kill August and Irene together even though every character who had the chance(including Brandish,who is actually her friend) claimed both of them would lolstomp people of Dimaria's caliber..Your interpretation is something I don't care about,Mashima's portrayal is what I consider.

But YOUR logic says that Age Seal doesn't affect everyone while this is never stated/shown. You can downplay my view on this topic all you want, but while you do you're downplaying your own statements as well.

So I guess hype means everything now?

Age Seal affects time, and time affects the world. Or are you trying to tell me Natsu lives in some sort of time paradox?

You can make the argument that she can use it on Natsu because Natsu is..
1-Clueless most of the time
2-Never stated to have significant MP comparable to Sprig's..(besides Igneel Power-up)
I wouldn't argue against it...But I wouldn't buy it against someone like Serena(who has x8 MP of Dragon Lacrima's) August,Irene,Jellal/Laxus(who are shown to be above the average spriggan),Larcade and maybe Invel..

The only argument I have to give to proof that Natsu will be effected by Age Seal is because he ain't a Time Wizard?

You like mentioning things that never happened as feats right? He never did such a thing even if he could,that doesn't make the AoE bigger,maybe the DC.

Did you forget he used three of his spells at the same time?

Ofcourse it does make the AoE better. Three spells > one spell of the same user, that's just logic.

That's an advantage due to element..It will make things harder for Natsu perhaps,but doesn't mean victory. Do you see Serena eating a FDKM Demolition Fist to the face? I don't..And Natsu tried to eat his...doesn't mean Serena can eat Natsu's..

Lol okay so where are you trying to go now? God Serena is a DRAGON SLAYER so he can eat his own ELEMENTS like every Dragon Slayer can. Don't discriminate God Serena now.

Overpower? Do we read the same manga? Look at those panels again. Fire,Water and Storm...Fire was gonna be eaten,Water stopped it from being eaten and was a minor inconvenience to Natsu..It didn't damage him or anything..The Storm attack got stopped..You claim that the water attack "overpowered" him and the storm attack would've "end" him..Yeah,that is ridiculous...You are making assumptions that are nowhere grounded on reality and you're favoring one side over the other(whatever your reason may be)..

Let's be real now. If Gildarts didn't appear, do you think Natsu would've countered God Serena's Sea King spell? If you do, then how? He would've drown if Gildarts didn't came to the rescue. So yes, Historia God Serena overpowered Natsu.

Don't say I'm the one who is biased here since you think Natsu can counter Age Seal just because he can..

I'm saying that Natsu can one-shot HistSerena if he was serious...that's it. I'm saying that FDKM Natsu is on the same level,or at the least around the level of Serena when we factor in Serena's hype...With feats,he pales in comparison to Natsu's DC,AoE,and durability and the fact that you are creating hypothetical combol element DS attacks GS could have had ,will not change that.

Since when was Natsu not serious?

If Natsu can oneshot Historia God Serena then why didn't he? Exactly, he couldn't even attack because God Serena overpowered him with his spells.

Well even if the elemental advantage was too much for Natsu to handle(it wasn't though,that wasn't even a fight) that doesn't make Serena>Natsu overall...It just means that he is advantegous against him. Just like how Gray isn't stronger than Base Mard Geer even though he stomped him..Against someone Gray didn't have advantages over,then Mard Geer would fare better. But that's just my way of showing you that you're wrong..This was not the case with Natsu..

God Serena is > Natsu because it's a fact that God Serena is the strongest mage of Ishgar. Keeping manga facts aside, how does Natsu surpass God Serena while God Serena basically uses the same magic as Natsu plus seven different magic types which are just as strong? It doesn't make any sense at all.

Natsu was hungry,jumped at the chance to eat the flames,Serena interrupted him and used an attack Gildarts crashed. He was not stomped...You clearly went out of your way to see it like that,but that did not happen. Natsu wasn't attacking,he wasn't damaged,there was no exchange..The worst thing Serena did to Natsu was stop him from eating his flames..That ain't stomping friend..

He did stomp him because Natsu couldn't do anything to counter him. He was left rather useless and it was clear that Historia God Serena overpowered him.

Anyhow,your thinking is way different that mine and you seem to have gotten somewhat hostile without a reason .."Shamefully enough"

Lol.

Let's agree to disagree,I won't quote you again unless you have a solid argument.

Says the one who hasn't give a real argument instead of opinions..

 

[Hermit]

Huh? You do realize that the person who claims "Character A can do this" needs to show the proof,meaning you have to show me an instance where Age Seal worked on somebody stronger than Dimaria,not the other way around.

It froze the entire south port, which had characters like Laxus and Neinhart, who arguably, are on Dimaria's level or above, so Dimaria's time can work on people who are stronger than her, the question is for how long

That's an advantage due to element..It will make things harder for Natsu perhaps,but doesn't mean victory. Do you see Serena eating a FDKM Demolition Fist to the face? I don't..And Natsu tried to eat his...doesn't mean Serena can eat Natsu's..

Why would it work on him? Natsu has been shown to eat Hell Fire, and God Serena, being a Dragon Slayer on a higher level means that FDKM Demolition Fist wouldn't do anything to him, Laxus powered up by taking a Railgun head on without defending against it, a FDKM fist wouldn't do anything to Serena..

The Storm attack got stopped.

Yes, by Gildarts, who's stronger than Natsu, so that attack if it landed, would have dealt some serious damage to Natsu and co. they were already helpless against his water, if Natsu could have evaporated it he would have, heck they were caught earlier on in the arc by Ajeel's Ant Lion Pit and Natsu burned his way out of it, the fact that he didn't do the same to God Serena's water, means he couldn't....the attacks were stronger than anything he could handle..

Well even if the elemental advantage was too much for Natsu to handle(it wasn't though,that wasn't even a fight) that doesn't make Serena>Natsu overall...It just means that he is advantegous against him.

Serena is stronger than Natsu, I don't know why you are boiling it down to elements only, the fact of the matter is that even Gildarts acknowledged a live Serena would be trouble against him, and Gildarts at this point is STILL STRONGER than Natsu, so that also means that yes indeed, God Serena is stronger than Natsu...

 

[The President]

Dimaria magic is much more like likely to be pause magic lol . To stop time within a radius wouldnt make sense logically since it would affect the earth and human would likely be thrown away at such a high speed .

Something like that. It most certainly does not stop the very concept of time. She releases a certain amount of ethernano within a certain radius which stops/pauses people. If her opponent is strong enough to resist this amount of ethernano they remain unaffected. God Soul > Age Seal by her own admission.

as for MG, he is a tank. he manhandled Sting, Rogue and Natsu with ease in his base form. heck, he was even going toe to toe with CSK although he was mostly dodging him. I would probably say that MG wins against Laxus with high diff unless he pulls of Fairy Law.

I highly doubt he would struggle that much tbh. I'd say its closer to a Mid-Diff win. Laxus would barely phase him.

Evergreen Stone eyes does work on stronger opponents so it's not entirely impossible for dimaria age seal to work on someone stronger .

Hax has limits. Some don't have that much reach, some do. Mest's memory magic was capable against Brandish, and Marin's space magic worked on Jacob (through Gemini)... they're examples of hax that have proven to be effective against much stronger people.

F.Rogue had dragon subjugation magic... a hax that was extra-effective at controlling dragons. This worked on dragons such as Atlas flame, but then he met a condition that could break it. Acnologia was not affected by this magic at all. So even within the manga there are examples where hax has been broken or shown to be ineffective with respect to circumstances or power of opponent. Mystogan's sleep magic is another such example, it dropped everyone in the guild except Laxus and Makarov, and Erza was close to resisting it (correct me if I'm wrong). There's more, I just can't think of them right no.

There is Makarov saying that the effectiveness of Evergreens eye magic is cut in half against Erza, which means that someone who is almost two times stronger then festival arc Erza could resist her hax. There is also Saylajanes macro not working on all of Wahls subordinates. MM not destroying Gray and Natsu.

I could ask the same to you, show me where it's stated that Age Seal doesn't affect mages with a high amount of MP. So good try.

Burden of proof is on you to prove that it does.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

Let's be real now. If Gildarts didn't appear, do you think Natsu would've countered God Serena's Sea King spell? If you do, then how? He would've drown if Gildarts didn't came to the rescue. So yes, Historia God Serena overpowered Natsu.

If Natsu can oneshot Historia God Serena then why didn't he? Exactly, he couldn't even attack because God Serena overpowered him with his spells.

He did stomp him because Natsu couldn't do anything to counter him. He was left rather useless and it was clear that Historia God Serena overpowered him.

Natsus basic roar used on Bluenote would have been MORE then enough to overpower Serenas unison spell. Serenas spell was barely damaging Juvia, Natsus roar was strong enough to one-shot Bluenote who is >>> Juvia in durability therefore the roar would overpower God Serenas sea king spell even with the element disadvantage. Don't even get me started on his FDK spells. Serena was doing nothing more then pushing the crew back lol, to say he stomped him is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[LucifeCollins]

It froze the entire south port, which had characters like Laxus and Neinhart, who arguably, are on Dimaria's level or above, so Dimaria's time can work on people who are stronger than her, the question is for how long

Why would it work on him? Natsu has been shown to eat Hell Fire, and God Serena, being a Dragon Slayer on a higher level means that FDKM Demolition Fist wouldn't do anything to him, Laxus powered up by taking a Railgun head on without defending against it, a FDKM fist wouldn't do anything to Serena..

Yes, by Gildarts, who's stronger than Natsu, so that attack if it landed, would have dealt some serious damage to Natsu and co. they were already helpless against his water, if Natsu could have evaporated it he would have, heck they were caught earlier on in the arc by Ajeel's Ant Lion Pit and Natsu burned his way out of it, the fact that he didn't do the same to God Serena's water, means he couldn't....the attacks were stronger than anything he could handle..

Serena is stronger than Natsu, I don't know why you are boiling it down to elements only, the fact of the matter is that even Gildarts acknowledged a live Serena would be trouble against him, and Gildarts at this point is STILL STRONGER than Natsu, so that also means that yes indeed, God Serena is stronger than Natsu...

Natsu would also give Gildarts trouble in a fight. Your points are amazing I have to say. You just speak as if Serena is >>>> Natsu because...reasons. Historia Serena was barely even 1/3rd of his actual power and got wrecked by Gildarts.

The water thing was obviously just to have Gildarts come in. Or are you saying that Historia Serena is also > Gray?

 

[Vici]

Something like that. It most certainly does not stop the very concept of time. She releases a certain amount of ethernano within a certain radius which stops/pauses people. If her opponent is strong enough to resist this amount of ethernano they remain unaffected. God Soul > Age Seal by her own admission.

I think it does affect the concept of time the clock tower that we have been shown during her fight twice didn't move an inch ( Ultear arrive and you may say the climax of the fight ) ..

Ultear appears clock tower in hargeon :

Dimaria fight with girls, Use TO and shots Charlie , Ultear explains the situation and we got shot on the tower again :

Of course, you may say that clock was never working

 

[BluePegasus]

Burden of proof is on you to prove that it does.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

I'll promise you I'll give the proof once you show me proof that it doesn't

Things don't go that easy mate.

Natsus basic roar used on Bluenote would have been MORE then enough to overpower Serenas unison spell. Serenas spell was barely damaging Juvia, Natsus roar was strong enough to one-shot Bluenote who is >>> Juvia in durability therefore the roar would overpower God Serenas sea king spell even with the element disadvantage. Don't even get me started on his FDK spells. Serena was doing nothing more then pushing the crew back lol, to say he stomped him is absolutely ridiculous.

If it was, then why didn't he use it? Exactly, because he didn't had a chance to strike back because God Serena stomped overpowered him with his attack spam. But I believe I've already said that in another post of mine. Or you could just read the chapter again.

 

[LucifeCollins]

I think it does affect the concept of time the clock tower that we have been shown during her fight twice didn't move an inch ( Ultear arrive and you may say the climax of the fight ) ..



Of course, you may say that that clock was never working

A black hole was opened back in Tenrou and Gildarts' molecules didn't get ripped apart and neither did Bluenote's. Gildarts disassembled an infinite gravity well, which would take infinite energy. But this is the universe of Magic. Time was not stopped universe-wide because it'd mean DiMaria has enough Ethernano to enchant the universe.

Prove that she affects anyone on her level or above. If she did, she'd be called the Strongest Woman and be easily capable of killing Acnologia.

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I'll promise you I'll give the proof once you show me proof that it doesn't

Things don't go that easy mate.



If it was, then why didn't he use it? Exactly, because he didn't had a chance to strike back because God Serena stomped overpowered him with his attack spam. But I believe I've already said that in another post of mine. Or you could just read the chapter again.

Overpowered? That was obvious comic relief. Or are you admitting that a silly Historia Serena > Gray? If so then I might take it more seriously considering your constant downplay of Natsu's abilities.

 

[Hermit]

Okay, I seriously dislike when people use the term 'plot' in an argument, all it means is that you lacked points to bring forward so you resort to blaming the progression of the story, I'll draw an example from here:
-In the GMG, when Natsu attacked Sabertooth, he used an LFD Hammer that was blocked by Minerva. Minerva blocked it because she was stronger than Natsu at that point in time, so the plot's explanation for why it was blocked was to introduce Minerva, and that doesn't work, at all.
-When Laxus showed up to save Natsu and co. from the Sands of Death, he dispersed that attack with a single bolt of lightning, no one on Team Natsu has shown feats that can allow them to deal with Sands of Death. Someone who argues by saying plot demanded Laxus to show up then is ignoring the individual strengths of the Team Members.
It's similar to the God Serena situation, no one there could deal with any of Serena's attacks after the Purgatory attack he used on Natsu, so saying that they were dumbed down for Gildarts to show up doesn't work in this scenario, if Natsu could deal with those attacks he could, the fact that he didn't even try to resist, even after Gray told him to 'chuck it all down', means that the attacks were too much for him to handle

 

[Vici]

If she did, she'd be called the Strongest Woman and be easily capable of killing Acnologia.

Zeref is an immortal bastard with magic that makes everything dying and yet he is stated that can't take Acnologia one on one and guess what Zeref being show to have also time magic

Spoiler

and yet he is stated that he can't take Acnologia so i don't see why Dimaria could if Zeref can also stops time and have bigger offensive power ( come to think of it it's somehow ridiculous )

Prove that she affects anyone on her level or above.

Let's wait and see if she will use her magic in upcoming battle ( if she still has access to it ) and maybe we will get our answer with panels of characters still being active or not so far her magic works on everyone in Hargeon ( don't tell me that Jellal or Gray for example wasn't affected by it and didn't spot that people are not moving around them )

 

[LucifeCollins]

Zeref is an immortal bastard with magic that makes everything dying and yet he is stated that can't take Acnologia one on one and guess what Zeref being show to have also time magic

Spoiler

and yet he is stated that he can't take Acnologia so i don't see why Dimaria could if Zeref can also stops time and have bigger offensive power ( come to think of it it's somehow ridiculous )


Let's wait and see if she will use her magic in upcoming battle ( if she still has access to it ) and maybe we will get our answer with panels of characters still being active or not so far her magic works on everyone in Hargeon ( don't tell me that Jellal or Gray for example wasn't affected by it and didn't spot that people are not moving around them )

Jellal was very far away. Nowhere does it say her Magic affected all of south port including where Neinhart was. Zeref can't kill Acnologia with Time-Freeze because time-freeze doesn't work on Acnologia since he's above him in strength. Simple anime logic. Once again, Gravity Magic. Mira's Macro not affecting everyone. Memento Mori not killing anyone.

All examples of haxx defeated.

Edit: Gray's MP drastically rises when he enters DeS mode. It's simple; he was in his regular form and fighting fodder. He was obviously not prepared for a time-freeze.

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Okay, I seriously dislike when people use the term 'plot' in an argument, all it means is that you lacked points to bring forward so you resort to blaming the progression of the story, I'll draw an example from here:
-In the GMG, when Natsu attacked Sabertooth, he used an LFD Hammer that was blocked by Minerva. Minerva blocked it because she was stronger than Natsu at that point in time, so the plot's explanation for why it was blocked was to introduce Minerva, and that doesn't work, at all.
-When Laxus showed up to save Natsu and co. from the Sands of Death, he dispersed that attack with a single bolt of lightning, no one on Team Natsu has shown feats that can allow them to deal with Sands of Death. Someone who argues by saying plot demanded Laxus to show up then is ignoring the individual strengths of the Team Members.
It's similar to the God Serena situation, no one there could deal with any of Serena's attacks after the Purgatory attack he used on Natsu, so saying that they were dumbed down for Gildarts to show up doesn't work in this scenario, if Natsu could deal with those attacks he could, the fact that he didn't even try to resist, even after Gray told him to 'chuck it all down', means that the attacks were too much for him to handle

He couldn't chuck it down because Natsu can't eat water. Did you not see the water? Water..Water. Anyways, his LFD wasn't blocked by Minerva, she used her Magic to make it hit elsewhere, i.e.; the back of their building.

Natsu effortlessly got rid of the Lion Pit without even entering FDKM, Sands of Death didn't scare anyone except for Makarov. So you're not proving anything there either.

Hiro has had the mages be dumbed down several times for the small comic relief and to introduce another character so they can get the limelight.

 

[joodaa]

It's similar to the God Serena situation, no one there could deal with any of Serena's attacks after the Purgatory attack he used on Natsu, so saying that they were dumbed down for Gildarts to show up doesn't work in this scenario, if Natsu could deal with those attacks he could, the fact that he didn't even try to resist, even after Gray told him to 'chuck it all down', means that the attacks were too much for him to handle

Lets say Guildarts didn't show up, do you think that Natsu co would have all been beaten then and there? I agree with you that you can't argue plot for anything and everything, but in that very instance were any of them in any immediate danger by that attack? It looked like more of a nuisance to them then anything else. So I don't think it was too much for them, more along the lines of they didn't feel like anything was desperately needed, then Guildarts stepped in and solved the issue for them.

 

[Woodenstool]

She effects time which effects people..Potato,potahto..And saying it's a weak pretext without offering any evidence seems like a weaker pretext to me. Huh? You do realize that the person who claims "Character A can do this" needs to show the proof,meaning you have to show me an instance where Age Seal worked on somebody stronger than Dimaria,not the other way around..If I say "Mirajane can use Macro on Zeref" I'm the one who has to prove that she can,rather than you proving that she can't. The "She affects time,not people" argument is meaningless.

No,it's not..It's the logic you created because Mashima didn't explain her power better. Why is she running out of MP when all she has to do is slash all of the Sprig 12+FT members throats? And does it make sense to you that Dimaria,who wasn't been hyped by anyone to be on a special pedestal,can kill August and Irene together even though every character who had the chance(including Brandish,who is actually her friend) claimed both of them would lolstomp people of Dimaria's caliber..Your interpretation is something I don't care about,Mashima's portrayal is what I consider.


You can make the argument that she can use it on Natsu because Natsu is..
1-Clueless most of the time
2-Never stated to have significant MP comparable to Sprig's..(besides Igneel Power-up)
I wouldn't argue against it...But I wouldn't buy it against someone like Serena(who has x8 MP of Dragon Lacrima's) August,Irene,Jellal/Laxus(who are shown to be above the average spriggan),Larcade and maybe Invel..


You like mentioning things that never happened as feats right? He never did such a thing even if he could,that doesn't make the AoE bigger,maybe the DC.


That's an advantage due to element..It will make things harder for Natsu perhaps,but doesn't mean victory. Do you see Serena eating a FDKM Demolition Fist to the face? I don't..And Natsu tried to eat his...doesn't mean Serena can eat Natsu's..

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Overpower? Do we read the same manga? Look at those panels again. Fire,Water and Storm...Fire was gonna be eaten,Water stopped it from being eaten and was a minor inconvenience to Natsu..It didn't damage him or anything..The Storm attack got stopped..You claim that the water attack "overpowered" him and the storm attack would've "end" him..Yeah,that is ridiculous...You are making assumptions that are nowhere grounded on reality and you're favoring one side over the other(whatever your reason may be)..

I'm saying that Natsu can one-shot HistSerena if he was serious...that's it. I'm saying that FDKM Natsu is on the same level,or at the least around the level of Serena when we factor in Serena's hype...With feats,he pales in comparison to Natsu's DC,AoE,and durability and the fact that you are creating hypothetical combol element DS attacks GS could have had ,will not change that.


Well even if the elemental advantage was too much for Natsu to handle(it wasn't though,that wasn't even a fight) that doesn't make Serena>Natsu overall...It just means that he is advantegous against him. Just like how Gray isn't stronger than Base Mard Geer even though he stomped him..Against someone Gray didn't have advantages over,then Mard Geer would fare better. But that's just my way of showing you that you're wrong..This was not the case with Natsu..

Natsu was hungry,jumped at the chance to eat the flames,Serena interrupted him and used an attack Gildarts crashed. He was not stomped...You clearly went out of your way to see it like that,but that did not happen. Natsu wasn't attacking,he wasn't damaged,there was no exchange..The worst thing Serena did to Natsu was stop him from eating his flames..That ain't stomping friend..

Anyhow,your thinking is way different that mine and you seem to have gotten somewhat hostile without a reason .."Shamefully enough"

Let's agree to disagree,I won't quote you again unless you have a solid argument.

What don't you get kid? God Serena alive or dead is still immune to fire magic. He would eat all his spells, you literally don't understand the story.

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Lets say Guildarts didn't show up, do you think that Natsu co would have all been beaten then and there? I agree with you that you can't argue plot for anything and everything, but in that very instance were any of them in any immediate danger by that attack? It looked like more of a nuisance to them then anything else. So I don't think it was too much for them, more along the lines of they didn't feel like anything was desperately needed, then Guildarts stepped in and solved the issue for them.

Yeah, they would've gotten demolished from Serena. Serena eats fire, water, ice. What are they going to do?

Get demolished is what they're going to get.

 

[Static]

What don't you get kid? God Serena alive or dead is still immune to fire magic. He would eat all his spells, you literally don't understand the story.

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Yeah, they would've gotten demolished from Serena. Serena eats fire, water, ice. What are they going to do?

Get demolished is what they're going to get.

Slayers are only highly resistant to their element, not immune but I agree that God Serena would win against Natsu.

 

[Woodenstool]

Slayers are only highly resistant to their element, not immune but I agree that God Serena would win against Natsu.

Natsu was swimming in Atlas flames bro, you might as well call that immune.

 

[LucifeCollins]

Natsu was swimming in Atlas flames bro, you might as well call that immune.

Atlas Flames flames were just his body, they aren't really the offensive one. Plus, Natsu got his Magic straight from the Flame Dragon King who could easily defeat Atlas Flames. Natsu's resistance would obviously be much higher than a regular Slayer as well. Flame Dragon King > Purgatory Flames.