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[SpectrumRay16]

I want zeldris to kick mels ass so hard that he will forget about elizabeth
Or will do the same thing Griffith did to guts from berserk (or something like that)

HAHAHA, yes i would love for that to happen. Kicking his behind in a fight would be cool and all, proving that Mel still needs training and that Zeldris at least is still a threat. But, i will be honest... i quite like the second idea. If that happened to Mel and Elizabeth... Oh God... Nakaba would have strayed from the path a bit
I would absolutely love a good scene like that

 

[Escanorzoldyck]

HAHAHA, yes i would love for that to happen. Kicking his behind in a fight would be cool and all, proving that Mel still needs training and that Zeldris at least is still a threat. But, i will be honest... i quite like the second idea. If that happened to Mel and Elizabeth... Oh God... Nakaba would have strayed from the path a bit
I would absolutely love a good scene like that

Well i dont think nakaba would go that far(a kiss is enough not a normal kiss but a long long kiss ) i wonder if zeldris can create tentacles

 

[oxtopus]

Yet it was not physical strength which shattered Yggdra. lol

Just as i said before,unexplained.

But he got more when he got his power back. The more powerful you are, the more confident you are. What even are you trying to say?

i wasn't referring to meliodas specifically. galan become more powerful with C.O yet he he still shat his pants.

Did you even read my post? How did he "gain" control there? How do you know he didn't have it prior to that battle? You're taking the case with Helbram into account, in which Meliodas didn't willingly use his demonic form. You're assuming.

I won't reply to you on this again. Stop being delusional.It's unhealthy.

Oh please tell me how being tired doesn't make you weaker. Are you aware of what you're saying? Being tired doesn't reduce your physical capabilities in a fight? Dude... Yeah, he didn't get tired fighting two Commandments.
And Meliodas swiftly took it back - your point?
Who's saying Mel is much stronger than Zeldris? I'm saying he's comparable to him. Estarossa is not insanely more powerful.
Err, the Demon King said that Meliodas was rendered impotent because of Esta's decree, so it's a fact that he stopped Meliodas' RC after he was stricken with "Love." - Meliodas could barely stand up.
Not "d-riding" anyone, just being impartial. Estarossa isn't a god.

Lol,how did he get tired?the battle was a walk in the park for him. He took zero damage from them and was not even going all out. Just stop it.
Meliodas had to distract him with several failed kicks to take it back and ran away from him. Zeldris would have owned his ass.
Err,the demon king never said meliodas was affected by the love and piety commandment during his fight with the tc at vaizel.
If you read the manga very well,You'll know meliodas being heavily weak is an aftereffect of using revenge counter.
You need to let go of mel's D and accept his inferiority.

]Oh, I did. It just doesn't make sense considering you're saying that a weaker guy managed to harm a stronger one (implying that lower strength can overwhelm another's durability), but Meliodas blocked Derrierie's attacks, which would imply that durability is greater than strength if he were weaker, a contradiction to your earlier implication.

No you didn't and i don't think any of my statements were contradictory.

 

[SpectrumRay16]

Well i dont think nakaba would go that far(a kiss is enough not a normal kiss but a long long kiss ) i wonder if zeldris can create tentacles

Scylla could + she had the tongue to do it
I'd assume that he could as well, which would be pretty insane on Nakaba's part if he went that far
I'd assume a kiss and maybe drain Elizabeth of her love or something... that would be interesting

 

[Escanorzoldyck]

Lol,how did he get tired

I think fraudrin said what he thought he didnt know about mel's plan (rc) if he did fight back he wouldnt take as much damage

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Scylla could + she had the tongue to do it
I'd assume that he could as well, which would be pretty insane on Nakaba's part if he went that far
I'd assume a kiss and maybe drain Elizabeth of her love or something... that would be interesting

Let's hope he does something similar

 

[Gallon]

Just as i said before,unexplained.




i wasn't referring to meliodas specifically. galan become more powerful with C.O yet he he still shat his pants.


I won't reply to you on this again. Stop being delusional.It's unhealthy.

Lol,how did he get tired?the battle was a walk in the park for him. He took zero damage from them and was not even going all out. Just stop it.
Meliodas had to distract him with several failed kicks to take it back and ran away from him. Zeldris would have owned his ass.
Err,the demon king never said meliodas was affected by the love and piety commandment during his fight with the tc at vaizel.
If you read the manga very well,You'll know meliodas being heavily weak is an aftereffect of using revenge counter.
You need to let go of mel's D and accept his inferiority.






No you didn't and i don't think any of my statements were contradictory.

Because Galan's power increases strength alone.

And I asked you to show me proof that he's not been able to control it to that extent before, if you can even call it "control." The point is, you can't. Simple.

Yeah, Fraudrin said he was tired - nice try.
Distract? He got it back, and that was the purpose. If he'd have "owned his ass," the other Commandments wouldn't have jumped in - stop being delusional.
Err, but he was? Meliodas' only option was death, and in order to be freed by them, he died. Your proof it wasn't this time? If you have the slightest understanding of the context, you can easily tell it was referring to that time.
Aftereffect? I don't remember the aftereffect being bland eyes, no power at all, and inability to stand up. He even used a fancy move to get up last time. Just stop it.

Yes I did, and you clearly don't know what you're even saying.

So uncouth for so bland points which you can't even support, but only speculate on.
Oh, and for the record, I'm a Zeldris fan.

 

[oxtopus]

I think fraudrin said what he thought he didnt know about mel's plan (rc) if he did fight back he wouldnt take as much damage

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Let's hope he does something similar

Possibly. fraudrin said that not knowing mel only depowered down and was taking the commandments attacks because he wanted to use rc.

 

[Escanorzoldyck]

Izraf
Height: 313cm
Weight: 420kg
Race: Vampire
Birthday: 13th January
Age: 1319 (before the seal)
Blood Type: B
Handedness: Right-handed
Power Level: 4890
Magic: 2080 Strength: 2010 Spirit: 800

Orlondi
Height: 153cm
Weight: 48kg
Race: Vampire
Birthday: 1st January
Age: 250 (before the seal)
Blood Type: AB
Handedness: Right-handed
Power Level: 3100
Magic: 1750 Strength: 530 Spirit: 820

Ren
Height: 159cm
Weight: 50kg
Race: Vampire
Birthday: 11th March
Age: 322 (before the seal)
Blood Type: B
Handedness: Can use both
Power Level: 3070
Magic: 590 Strength: 1770 Spirit: 710

Gelda
Height: 169cm
Weight: 56kg
Race: Vampire
Birthday: 19th April
Age: 345 (before the seal)
Blood Type: 0
Handedness: Left-handed
Power Level: 4080
Magic: 2450 Strength: 430 Spirit: 1200

Mod
Height: 141cm
Weight: 52kg
Race: Vampire
Birthday: 15th May
Age: 512 (before the seal)
Blood Type: A
Handedness: Right-handed
Power Level: 1700
Magic: 1100 Strength: 100 Spirit: 500

Ganne
Height: 730cm
Weight: 1020kg
Race: Vampire
Birthday: 15th May
Age: 512 (before the seal)
Blood Type: 0
Handedness: Right-handed
Power Level: 1720
Magic: 0 Strength: 1300 Spirit: 420

 

[SpectrumRay16]

Izraf
Height: 313cm
Weight: 420kg
Race: Vampire
Birthday: 13th January
Age: 1319 (before the seal)
Blood Type: B
Handedness: Right-handed
Power Level: 4890
Magic: 2080 Strength: 2010 Spirit: 800

Orlondi
Height: 153cm
Weight: 48kg
Race: Vampire
Birthday: 1st January
Age: 250 (before the seal)
Blood Type: AB
Handedness: Right-handed
Power Level: 3100
Magic: 1750 Strength: 530 Spirit: 820

Ren
Height: 159cm
Weight: 50kg
Race: Vampire
Birthday: 11th March
Age: 322 (before the seal)
Blood Type: B
Handedness: Can use both
Power Level: 3070
Magic: 590 Strength: 1770 Spirit: 710

Gelda
Height: 169cm
Weight: 56kg
Race: Vampire
Birthday: 19th April
Age: 345 (before the seal)
Blood Type: 0
Handedness: Left-handed
Power Level: 4080
Magic: 2450 Strength: 430 Spirit: 1200

Mod
Height: 141cm
Weight: 52kg
Race: Vampire
Birthday: 15th May
Age: 512 (before the seal)
Blood Type: A
Handedness: Right-handed
Power Level: 1700
Magic: 1100 Strength: 100 Spirit: 500

Ganne
Height: 730cm
Weight: 1020kg
Race: Vampire
Birthday: 15th May
Age: 512 (before the seal)
Blood Type: 0
Handedness: Right-handed
Power Level: 1720
Magic: 0 Strength: 1300 Spirit: 420

Lol, the twins were so weak XD
No wonder they weren't able to beat a weakened Diane and King.
Though, i am a little surprised that Gelda is that weak, i thought being Zeldris's love interest she might have been stronger than the Vampire king, but, unwilling to take the throne. Though, the King is quite well rounded in terms of abilities it would seem.
Oh and before i forget... RIP to all 6 of them (Unless Gelda was spared???)

 

[oxtopus]

poor vampires.They stood no chance against the sins

 

[TarXan]

I guess this is why Nakaba's keeping Merlin out of the story because whatever Infintiy is it sound super broken and these stats are insane, the demons are physically strong as hell and Estarossa's the strongest physically + spirit, guess that's why he was able to overpower Escanor so easily in the beginning of their fight

Zeldris' ability sounds insane what ever it is and why's Mel's spirit so low ? It's like it took a huge dive once he got his power back lol

 

[Escanorzoldyck]

I guess this is why Nakaba's keeping Merlin out of the story because whatever Infintiy is it sound super broken and these stats are insane, the demons are physically strong as hell and Estarossa's the strongest physically + spirit, guess that's why he was able to overpower Escanor so easily in the beginning of their fight

Zeldris' ability sounds insane what ever it is and why's Mel's spirit so low ? It's like it took a huge dive once he got his power back lol

What did you expect ?10k spirit?

 

[TarXan]

This pretty much confirms that Escanor is currently the strongest character after 11:30 - 12:00, which is insane

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Why did you expect ?10k spirit?

Hell yeah his spirit was immense in his depowered state so I expected it to be higher but in reality is dropped, maybe his will got weaker trying to keep his demon power in line

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These stats aren't too bad, I'm disappoint how a large majority of their PL' is just physical strength though

Mel/Estarossa have low magic because of FC, so they basically have to rely on physical strength, you guys should keep in mind that these stats change during the heat of battle, Ban's power bumped up 600+ points because he was determined to kill Mel and revive Elaine

I'm guessing Mel's magic bumps up alot of he uses RC, Devine Slayer, The Darkness or Hellblaze, same for the other Demons

 

[Escanorzoldyck]

This pretty much confirms that Escanor is currently the strongest character after 11:30 - 12:00, which is insane

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Hell yeah his spirit was immense in his depowered state so I expected it to be higher but in reality is dropped, maybe his will got weaker trying to keep his demon power in line

It not like it changes anything
In a fight magic and strength are more important than spirit

 

[TarXan]

It not like it changes anything
In a fight magic and strength are more important than spirit

I have to disagree, Nakaba has the PL's fixed so it's not broken like DBZ, strength would matter in a battle against an opponent like Gloxinia who's physically the weakest

Magic would matter to an opponent like Estarossa, because he's physically stronger than 99% of the Taizai universe besides post 11:30am Escanor and he can counter physical attacks, hence why he had to magic against Estarossa

Spirit is basically your willpower and determination, Meliodas was able to take on Liones fodder, Gilthunder, Hendrickson, Vivian, a stab to the chest, Ban, Demon Hendrickson's abilities and tank everybody's attacks in order to use Revenge Counter non stop in the 1st arc

That was all due to his immense willpower/spirit because he wanted to save Elizabeth

These stats, physically strength and magic don't determine the winner of the battles at all, it all comes down to the opponent and what their advantages/disadvantages are

 

[Escanorzoldyck]

I have to disagree, Nakaba has the PL's fixed so it's not broken like DBZ, strength would matter in a battle against an opponent like Gloxinia who's physically the weakest

Magic would matter to an opponent like Estarossa, because he's physically stronger than 99% of the Taizai universe besides post 11:30am Escanor and he can counter physical attacks, hence why he had to magic against Estarossa

Spirit is basically your willpower and determination, Meliodas was able to take on Liones fodder, Gilthunder, Hendrickson, Vivian, a stab to the chest, Ban, Demon Hendrickson's abilities and tank everybody's attacks in order to use Revenge Counter non stop in the 1st arc

That was all due to his immense willpower/spirit because he wanted to save Elizabeth

These stats, physically strength and magic don't determine the winner of the battles at all, it all comes down to the opponent and what their advantages/disadvantages are

But if he dosent have the power needed to accomplish such feat his spirit is usless
Let's say mel has a power level like this one
Magic 25 strength 25 spirit 1000000000 would he beat hendrikson? No
If he had 1000-10000-10000000000 would he beat estarossa? No
Almost all he accomplished is bcz of his own power

 

[MrSchmitty7]

But if he dosent have the power needed to accomplish such feat his spirit is usless
Let's say mel has a power level like this one
Magic 25 strength 25 spirit 1000000000 would he beat hendrikson? No
If he had 1000-10000-10000000000 would he beat estarossa? No
Almost all he accomplished is bcz of his own power

You've got a point. If you don't possess power and spirit you will get nowhere. Meliodas could fight all day, but with those stats he would get killed regardless.

 

[TarXan]

But if he dosent have the power needed to accomplish such feat his spirit is usless
Let's say mel has a power level like this one
Magic 25 strength 25 spirit 1000000000 would he beat hendrikson? No
If he had 1000-10000-10000000000 would he beat estarossa? No
Almost all he accomplished is bcz of his own power

I think that's common sense lol

I'm not saying or implying that at all, all I'm saying is it helps a lot, yeS he accomplished that with his own power but his overwhelming spirit allowed him to overcome a lot and turn the tides in his favor in the 1st arc

He was able to tank everyone's attacks non stop and didn't get proper treatment until Hendrickson was dead, in some battles you would need only physically or magic but Spirit helps just as much imo and Power Levels do decrease and increase during battles btw

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YOOOOOO WHY THE HELL IS ARTHUR'S MAGIC WAY PAST COMMANDMENT LEVEL ?????????

 

[oxtopus]

I have to disagree, Nakaba has the PL's fixed so it's not broken like DBZ, strength would matter in a battle against an opponent like Gloxinia who's physically the weakest

Magic would matter to an opponent like Estarossa, because he's physically stronger than 99% of the Taizai universe besides post 11:30am Escanor and he can counter physical attacks, hence why he had to magic against Estarossa

Spirit is basically your willpower and determination, Meliodas was able to take on Liones fodder, Gilthunder, Hendrickson, Vivian, a stab to the chest, Ban, Demon Hendrickson's abilities and tank everybody's attacks in order to use Revenge Counter non stop in the 1st arc

That was all due to his immense willpower/spirit because he wanted to save Elizabeth

These stats, physically strength and magic don't determine the winner of the battles at all, it all comes down to the opponent and what their advantages/disadvantages are

I;m pretty sure escanor was stronger than estarossa both in magic and physical strength at the start of their battle.

 

[hunterxyamani]

Galan is confimed to be the weakest commandment at base, get over it.No one is understimating Galan, his PL is only 27K at base, and 40K with Critical over which he can only use for a limited amount of time till his magic runs out, then he's back at 27K(or 26K till he refills his magic). Other commandments like Dolor and Gloxinia are much more powerful than him, even Fraudrin and Gray Lord are more powerful than base Galan. Heck even Mera has a higher PL than him at base.
You should check the fanbook thread, or the wikia to see the values of the commandments PL.FYI Derrierie has 52K in PL, and Monspiet has 53K, each one of them has way more than Mel's base which is 32500, and needless to say way more than Galan.

But it should be obvious by now that power levels aren't everything, and are mostly BS.Not to mention that Mel could have gotten his asspull in purgatory.

it's Nakaba who give thoses Values ? i didnt see any in the last chapters... a link please ! All we know is that Galan with 27K dominated the sins in the first and then Meliodas easily kicked hiss ass with 32K and the same Meliodas kick the ass of Dolor and glox in 2 vs 1 with 32K and he was even holding back because they were friends...

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I disagree with you
Glox vs galan 40k----》 glox wins
Dolor vs galan 40k------》 dolor wins even if he has 36k str
Derriere vs galan 40k------》derriere
Monspiet vs galan 40k------》don't know I have not seen using more than that "firebird"
Merascylla vs galan 40k-----》 Galan
Fraudin vs galan----》 I see galan winning this against the current fraudin
Graylord vs galan-----》I have no idea.. I have not seen graylord fighting
estarossa and zeldris would win as well
Meliodas had to use his demon power which gave him around 20k pl.. this put his pl around 60k like his brothers
If you go and read that battle again, you can find that glox and dolor could stand against meliodas, they only need speed, they react slow in front of meliodas so i guess they need to improve that, their defensive power was poor but their offensive was good especially glox

where it saids in the mangas that the Darkness of Meliodas give him 20K more ? can you prove that ? because Meliodas with 32K crushed both of them, we can know already that a difference of 1K can be big ^^ so Galan with 40K will kill them both easily... i'm talking about the facts and the chapters, no theories... it's not because Galan was the first one to be taking out means it's the weakes, Estarossa was defeated before fraudrin and others, it does mean that he is less stronger ? come on, a little of objectivity.