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[SpectrumRay16]

I believe everyone's wondered why Escanor was, umm, stupid (crap, here comes the flame) enough to attack Estarossa physically the second time when he could've imbued Rhitta with his magic or something. But still, that doesn't have to do with what was implied - Estarossa supposedly had the upper hand in terms of magic, and Full Counter made it possible to reflect physical attacks, so the battle was going pretty well for him. After that, we see the Sun, we get an idea of what time it is, we see Escanor's muscles swelling, and we see Estarossa claiming that his power levels are surging, so I believe it's very safe to assume he received a pretty good boost.

I understand your assumption, but he was probably confident because he knew he was going to get stronger.

If you get flame for what you just said about Escanor being stupid, then send em to me! Because as a bit of a fanboy, even i can admit that was stupid of him. It was likely down to instinct that he tried to block it, but, he just didn't think about an ability he had only seen used once before. But, overall... yeah, he was fairly stupid for doing that the second time round. implication wise, yeah... the situation was terrible for him and the power he got did seem to leave Estarossa bewildered with how much stronger he'd become. I mean, he even managed to attack him without him noticing (Unless he got that wound during the exchange of blows before hand where Escanor got full countered? though i doubt it). It did seem that Escanor's power up was quite large, but, i believe there was likely more to it than simply a massive buff.
Actually... judging by how much larger the sun he made became... could it be assumed that Escanor's massive boost all came in the form of magic (or mostly?)
I mean... if Escanor powers up physically first, then his magic is controllable and then his magic starts up and Rhitta becomes unable to stop the output of Sunshine and his magic greatly increases???
That could be a possibility!
I don't think Escanor, as a character, would feel confident knowing he was going to win because he was going to power up... i get the feeling he might have thought "i still stand a chance" or "This guy is a worthy opponent" and then estarossa started running his jaw and he responded to that by going 'Playtime is over". Just my opinion though, everyone's entitled to one after all

 

[Gallon]

If you get flame for what you just said about Escanor being stupid, then send em to me! Because as a bit of a fanboy, even i can admit that was stupid of him. It was likely down to instinct that he tried to block it, but, he just didn't think about an ability he had only seen used once before. But, overall... yeah, he was fairly stupid for doing that the second time round. implication wise, yeah... the situation was terrible for him and the power he got did seem to leave Estarossa bewildered with how much stronger he'd become. I mean, he even managed to attack him without him noticing (Unless he got that wound during the exchange of blows before hand where Escanor got full countered? though i doubt it). It did seem that Escanor's power up was quite large, but, i believe there was likely more to it than simply a massive buff.
Actually... judging by how much larger the sun he made became... could it be assumed that Escanor's massive boost all came in the form of magic (or mostly?)
I mean... if Escanor powers up physically first, then his magic is controllable and then his magic starts up and Rhitta becomes unable to stop the output of Sunshine and his magic greatly increases???
That could be a possibility!
I don't think Escanor, as a character, would feel confident knowing he was going to win because he was going to power up... i get the feeling he might have thought "i still stand a chance" or "This guy is a worthy opponent" and then estarossa started running his jaw and he responded to that by going 'Playtime is over". Just my opinion though, everyone's entitled to one after all

I'm just implying that some people cease to be sensible when it comes to Escanor.
Yeah, it may very well be that what he mostly receives towards noon is a magical boost. He already seemed to be able to physically overpower Estarossa even earlier, so it's entirely possible.

As for his confidence, yeah. I doubt he ever believed he was going to lose, and he seemed to like this fight quite a bit (in the sense of letting loose).

 

[Dante00]

I like how people aren't showing Galan respect just because he's the weakest commandment. Remember he's 991 yrs old which means he's one of the oldest demons and he probably loses power as he ages. Now imagine what he would do in his prime. And you never know, his power level could've been higher in his prime

 

[Gallon]

I like how people aren't showing Galan respect just because he's the weakest commandment. Remember he's 991 yrs old which means he's one of the oldest demons and he probably loses power as he ages. Now imagine what he would do in his prime. And you never know, his power level could've been higher in his prime

At that age, your average person should barely be able to move, and this guy's fighting with all his might, at a base power level of 24,000 in strength.
He was definitely stronger back then.

 

[SpectrumRay16]

I like how people aren't showing Galan respect just because he's the weakest commandment. Remember he's 991 yrs old which means he's one of the oldest demons and he probably loses power as he ages. Now imagine what he would do in his prime. And you never know, his power level could've been higher in his prime

If Galan was still at his prime he would have made the trip to Camelot in 70 steps and not 72 steps... meaning he would probably have gotten around 30K in Pl... probably around Scylla to be honest. I do think him being the oldest commandment is a little hard to see though, considering how he acts all the time... but, i do find it quite funny how he was fighting everyone and messing around and having a good ol time despite his age.
But, then again... this makes him playing gold all the more hilarious XD

 

[Sylphe]

Yeah, Galan was definitely the funniest commandment ! His interactions with Mera were also priceless ! Highfive YEAAAA !!!

And being a grandpa bring an added-value to that aspect of him !
It really is a shame that he's not around anymore ! Curse you Escanor !

 

[SpectrumRay16]

Yeah, Galan was definitely the funniest commandment ! His interactions with Mera were also priceless ! Highfive YEAAAA !!!

And being a grandpa bring an added-value to that aspect of him !
It really is a shame that he's not around anymore ! Curse you Escanor !

Escanor's ability is a "curse" according to him, so i don't think cursing the guy again would be a good thing to do man

 

[Sylphe]

Escanor's ability is a "curse" according to him, so i don't think cursing the guy again would be a good thing to do man

Only Night Escanor refered to it as a curse, because in his day form i didn't see him complaining about it a lot !
And no, il will still curse him for trashing such a good and "pure" guy ( says Merascylla) like Galan ! xD

 

[SpectrumRay16]

Only Night Escanor refered to it as a curse, because in his day form i didn't see him complaining about it a lot !
And no, il will still curse him for trashing such a good and "pure" guy ( says Merascylla) like Galan ! xD

Lol, then i curse him with the power of not existing for a while in the current events of the manga! That should teach him

 

[Sylphe]

Lol, then i curse him with the power of not existing for a while in the current events of the manga! That should teach him

I agree ! Let's banish him and make his shining sun fade in darkness and let's all pray for the return of the glorious and majestous Galan ! xD

On a more serious note, i was wondering, what did Estarossa use to make Ban explode like a balloon when the later was holding him ?
It obviously wasn't a physical strike, and i don't picture how with just 3000 magic, he could make Ban explode like he was made of nothing but thin air ?

I thought that perhaps it was what he used on that bird ( his demonization ability), but then shoudn't Ban have demon powers by now ? but it surely doesn't look like it's the case !
Was it the same thing that Meliodas presumably used to shatter the Yggdra armor without direct contact ?

Please don't tell me it was Hokuto Shinken !

 

[Escanorzoldyck]

I believe prime galan wouldnt make it to Camelot in 70 steps but less
It just that at the moment the tc were released they were all rusty and they needed rest but galan went directly to mel without resting nor consuming souls
Physically at prime i believe he should be at least as strong as dolor without co

 

[SpectrumRay16]

I believe prime galan wouldnt make it to Camelot in 70 steps but less
It just that at the moment the tc were released they were all rusty and they needed rest but galan went directly to mel without resting nor consuming souls
Physically at prime i believe he should be at least as strong as dolor without co

I kind of want him to come back and fight Arthur... just saying!
Escanor can teach Arthur real kung fu/magical power and have him fight against the commandment who took everything from him
I mean 40K vs 40K sounds fair to me

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I agree ! Let's banish him and make his shining sun fade in darkness and let's all pray for the return of the glorious and majestous Galan ! xD

On a more serious note, i was wondering, what did Estarossa use to make Ban explode like a balloon when the later was holding him ?
It obviously wasn't a physical strike, and i don't picture how with just 3000 magic, he could make Ban explode like he was made of nothing but thin air ?

I thought that perhaps it was what he used on that bird ( his demonization ability), but then shoudn't Ban have demon powers by now ? but it surely doesn't look like it's the case !
Was it the same thing that Meliodas presumably used to shatter the Yggdra armor without direct contact ?

Please don't tell me it was Hokuto Shinken !

What if that was Grey Lord's commandment punishing Ban for killing Merascylla and we just assumed it was Estarossa's doing?
I mean... to be honest, Estarossa can turn people into demons and i don't think you need to be stronger than that person magically to do that. But, it does seem to make sense that Estarossa blocked Ban's attack, blasted his hand and then proceeded to explode him after he was done.

 

[Escanorzoldyck]

I kind of want him to come back and fight Arthur... just saying!
Escanor can teach Arthur real kung fu/magical power and have him fight against the commandment who took everything from him
I mean 40K vs 40K sounds fair to me

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What if that was Grey Lord's commandment punishing Ban for killing Merascylla and we just assumed it was Estarossa's doing?
I mean... to be honest, Estarossa can turn people into demons and i don't think you need to be stronger than that person magically to do that. But, it does seem to make sense that Estarossa blocked Ban's attack, blasted his hand and then proceeded to explode him after he was done.

Arthur is still a kid ,well if he keeps training his body to atleast 2k and learn some magic then he should be able to take almost anyone

 

[SpectrumRay16]

Arthur is still a kid ,well if he keeps training his physical body to atleast 2k and learn some magic then he should be able to take almost anyone

Well, 16 back in medieval times meant you were an adult and you could step up and do things. I mean, getting married, mastering your craft etc...
I think arthur needs some training and we've seen him take down a grey demon (though he did struggle a bit)
But, overall... he needs to power up just as much as the sins do and the way he does that is my knowing his magic.
Which, i hope is not brought up by the fact he is suddenly wielding Excalibur/Caliburn... i'd like something more fleshed out, like he cannot use the sword until he masters his magic.

 

[Kay3795]

Zeldris' magic is called "God". That's very vague; & though it'd make sense for it to be the haxxiest ability shown shown thus far, I doubt that's the kind of fighter he'd turn out to be.

I think "God" is just a art form for the young Demon like Gilthunder's lightning is for Gil; meaning Zeldris would utilise various techniques or movesets of 'God arts' like Gil's lightning ("lightning hammer".... "Lightning emperor armor"..... "lightning....").

If this turns out to be true, it would mean that Zeldris style is very similar to Meliodas' own as Meliodas is also a practitioner of God arts.

 

[Escanorzoldyck]

Zeldris' magic is called "God". That's very vague; & though it'd make sense for it to be the haxxiest ability shown shown thus far, I doubt that's the kind of fighter he'd turn out to be.

I think "God" is just a art form for the young Demon like Gilthunder's lightning is for Gil; meaning Zeldris would utilise various techniques or movesets of 'God arts' like Gil's lightning ("lightning hammer".... "Lightning emperor armor"..... "lightning....").

If this turns out to be true, it would mean that Zeldris style is very similar to Meliodas' own as Meliodas is also a practitioner of God arts.

Is it wrong for him to be a h2h fighter with a godly hax ability ? We dont need another mel we need him to be as op as possible bcz if he isnt and hes just like you said then :
Mel can beat him while playing in elizabeth's boobs
Escanor can take him out along with all the tc while drinking a cup of tea and writing a poem
And i dont think it like gil,gils ability is named lightning... Something like that it is not god/demon king

 

[Kay3795]

Is it wrong for him to be a h2h fighter with a godly hax ability ? We dont need another mel we need him to be as op as possible bcz if he isnt and hes just like you said then :
Mel can beat him while playing in elizabeth's boobs
Escanor can take him out along with all the tc while drinking a cup of tea and writing a poem
And i dont think it like gil,gils ability is named lightning... Something like that it is not god/demon king

Gil's lightning is like an art form. With it, he's able to utilise various lightning based techniques. I theorise that "God" could be an art form like Gil's lightning because of the kind of demeanour, attitude & moves Zeldris demonstrated while fighting.

This has little to do with him being another Mel, whether it's right or "wrong" -- whatever that means -- & more to do with guessing how he'd fight based on what we already know.

- We know he's a midget -- like Mel, & likely for the same reasons.
- We know he's the King's Avatar -- like Mel was.
- We know he's a powerful swordsmans that likes playing executioner.
- We know his power is called "God" & we know Meliodas has Divine/God techniques like "God shredder".

 

[Xenotosgolgia]

Zel's ability has to be physical cause he was about to killed/heavily injured by Revenge Counter so it's not a hax ability.

 

[Escanorzoldyck]

Zel's ability has to be physical cause he was about to killed/heavily injured by Revenge Counter so it's not a hax ability.

So what does that have to do with his ability?
Gowther is hax but could he do anything if he was in zel's place?

 

[Xenotosgolgia]

So what does that have to do with his ability?
Gowther is hax but could he do anything if he was in zel's place?

What does Gowther have to do with anything? I'm talking about God not being a magical ability that might be that strong or at least magic wise.