Dragon Force takes a large amount of ethernano to activate. Bradman said that Gajeel had absorbed the miniscule amount of Iron present in the MBPs so that he could affect his body. He had absorbed the MBPs, not ethernano.
It still strikes me that, in the same mindset, Gajeel and Natsu were portrayed as equals. The thing in their fight is that they weren't sharing the same mindset: Natsu was bloodlusted whereas Gajeel was not. And we all know what bloodlust does to FT characters.
Bradman uses the Curses better than the actual Demon Gates, remember his Thorn Curse affected Gajeel when it shouldn't have, since current Gajeel is X791 Gajeel
Because when you put it on paper (and going by feats), Neinhart is weaker than Bradman. Bradman has all of the 9DG curses, Mard's curse and his own curses, not to mention that they're powered by Spriggan level curse power. He could steal Neinhart's senses, flood him in Tenchi Kamei, Absorb his energy attack via Absorption Curse, restrain and puncture him with Thorns, Bomb him, freeze him via DeS etc. The list goes on. All Neinhart has going for him is his Historias but they won't be able to do anything against Tenchi Kamei and the Third Seal. With all of this being said, Neinhart might not even push Bradman that far, the second he uses his First Seal Neinhart is going to be taking in copious amounts of MBP's in and we've seen how badly they affect people in battle. On top of this it's likely the Historias wouldn't even do Bradman much harm as he can use his MBP body or his Absorption curse to mitigate damage.
Ok I find it quite ironic how you accuse us of ignoring things when we literally have a canon fight between the two that shows us who's stronger and yet you want to keep going back to portrayal. Natsu and Gajeel are in the same tier, sure, which is why their performances against enemies are similar. But as we've clearly seen from their performances against each other, Natsu > Gajeel. I cannot for the life of me understand how you can still argue that they're equal when one has literally already beaten the other in a fight.
Mindset had nothing to do with it. Natsu was matching Gajeel while he already fought against 2 EF. So when Gajeel regain his strength by eating the metal it turned the tide to his favor but when Natsu ate fire and regained his strength it even the plain field and once the plain field was even Natsu rekt him. Gajeel and Happy clearly state this in the text.
Natsu was the heavy hitter in their fight against Laxus. He was the one who was leading the attack and doing most of the work.
Huh? most of the work, where is this from? Dude, Gajeel saved Natsu's sorry ass from getting basted and you say Natsu was leading the attack? Lol wut?
Makarov helped him -_-
Yomazu + Kawazu= A single Kin in power
Gajeel was capable of the same, he was manhandling Rogue on the last day before Shadow kicked in, add Sting and the result doesn't change
Yeah, Shadow Rogue would have also raped Natsu, since according to your words earlier he 'admitted to being more powerful than Natsu', so Shadow Rogue>Natsu and Base Gajeel
He powered up from eating Tempester's flames and Jackal's explosions, try again
Because their equals? I literally stated that in my earlier post..
Thats completely false.
Zancrow was stomping Natsu up until Makarov saved his ass and stalled Zancrow long enough for Natsu to use his brain for the first and last time in the entire series. The gap between Zancrow and Natsu was very evident. Both of Capricorns subordinates are INDIVIDUALLY far weaker then the Kin, and Gajeel would have destroyed them had they fought individually. What made them give Gajeel as tough a time as they did was their teamwork combos.
Tf does it matter? Shadow Rogue is >> GMG Twins and even Natsu for that matter.
He had breaks in-between.
Equal? No, Natsu is stronger, But the gap isn't big. He is stronger on the merit that he can outlast Gajeel due to moderately higher endurance. I'd consider ISD Gajeel more of a threat though overall (Tartarus Arc that is), because ISD is a better power-up then LFD.
Natsu literally fought Laxus alone for most of the battle. Gajeel barely even faced off against him.
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Really because who was the one who got up to finish the fight? Yeah it was Natsu.Thats completely false.
Natsu wasn't leading shit. If anything it was Gajeel who was setting-up the team plays:
Natsu only went on the offensive in the last 3rd of the fight, but Gajeel made-up for his lack of participation by saving Natsus ass, twice. If anything, that fight showed that Natsu and Gajeel were relative equals in everything bar endurance in which Natsu has Gajeel beat (hence why he fought longer).
Zancrow was stomping Natsu up until Makarov saved his ass and stalled Zancrow long enough for Natsu to use his brain for the first and last time in the entire series. The gap between Zancrow and Natsu was very evident. Both of Capricorns subordinates are INDIVIDUALLY far weaker then the Kin, and Gajeel would have destroyed them had they fought individually. What made them give Gajeel as tough a time as they did was their teamwork combos.
Tf does it matter? Shadow Rogue is >> GMG Twins and even Natsu for that matter.
He had breaks in-between.
Equal? No, Natsu is stronger, But the gap isn't big. He is stronger on the merit that he can outlast Gajeel due to moderately higher endurance. I'd consider ISD Gajeel more of a threat though overall (Tartarus Arc that is), because ISD is a better power-up then LFD.
Yes, Lucy did help there be fire for Natsu to eat but you can't ignore that after both of them ate their elements Natsu finished out on top. Regardless of Lucy helping him there, they both ate their element and Natsu proved then and there that he was the stronger of the two. During the recent timeskip, Gajeel spent most of the year with the magic council and levy while Natsu was off training. Its not unreasonable in the slightest to say Natsu is stronger than Gajeel.
That one attack was the strongest or 2nd strongest attack that Laxus used (that landed). Like I said, all that showed was Natsus superior endurance. As far as actual performance goes, they performed dead on equally against Laxus.
Zancrow was easily overpowering Natsu in every exchange they had. Him being able to eat Natsus fire wouldn't have made a difference. Zancrow was vastly superior to Natsu overall. Since when did together equal to I? Cause the goat said the latter whereas Gajeel fought the former. Levy just fed him to make-up for the damage he took earlier. The second half of the fight (w/Levy gone) was the true fight.
Tf? Hades was stupid enough to have Kain as part of the Kin so yes.
LOL yes he is. No basis for that statement? How about stomping Gajeel? Gajeel is vastly superior to one of the twins, DF or not. Adding another one doesn't turn it from a Easy-Diff win for Gajeel to a stomp by the twins. I'd even argue that base GMG Gajeel can defeat the GMG version of the twins. On top of that we have the statement though, someone who most certainly knows the full extent of Rogues power and can generalize to Sting since they are equals. Statements can be dismissed as cocky boasting if they have no weight, Shadow Rogue fodderizing Gajeel supported him being > Natsu.
Natsu had a decent amount of time after Franmalth, including a big break from Alegria. Gajeel pushed himself a lot more then Natsu did in any of those fights, and like I said, Natsu does have more endurance. Him fighting for longer doesn't show any superiority in anything other then endurance.
Those instances don't mean anything because Natsu got MP from Laxus (most of his MP tank at that) whereas Gajeel got MP from Shadow Rogue (only the scraps used to defeat him), someone weaker then Laxus. What matters are the feats from the automatic versions of the two (ie the ones used against the DGs) when they are using THEIR OWN MP. And in that regard ISD is superior, since on top of giving a boost in raw power it also gives shadow body intangibility which entails 1) An even further increase in speed 2) Intangibility to avoid attacks. LFD only boosts raw power.
If we aren't considering the instances where they first got their modes then Gajeel's intangibility shouldn't be taken into account either. I don't think we've seen Gajeel ever turn into shadows after his fight with Rogue.
Yeah shadow rogue AKA future is stronger than GMG. Natsu couldn't jack shit to him even with hellfire flames from Atlas flame.Natsu literally fought Laxus alone for most of the battle. Gajeel barely even faced off against him.
Levy helped Gajeel -_-
No they didn't. They already stated that even together they were no where near 7kin level.
Gajeel rekt base Rogue that isn't a big feat. Shadow statement is baseless.
You think Natsu just goes to a hundred when he eats flames? He still takes a huge toll on his body.
They aren't equals. Natsu fought two other 9D before that battle. Gajeel was fresh as he didn't even fight nor confront a 9D before his battle with Torafuza.
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Really because who was the one who got up to finish the fight? Yeah it was Natsu.
Gajeel only got up a deflected one attack Natsu got from multiple of Laxus attacks and had the magic too take him down. Gajeel did not. Gajeel was only in the second part of the fight while Natsu was up fighting Laxus in all three sections of the fight.
Yeah Natsu beat Zancrow when he found out how to beat him. You act like the fight wasn't in Zancrow's favor in the first place lol. Natsu was at a disadvantage against a top tier 7kin and came out on top albeit he had help. But Gajeel also had helped and he was getting rekt by two scrub subordinates. Those subordinates together couldn't have taken on a 7kin. The Goat admitted he couldn't contend.
Wth did you think adding a chicken who just exploded eggs could do? Seriously did you think Hades is stupid enough to have a 7kin that can be defeated by just two of his subordinates?
Shadow Rogue is not stronger than both the twins in DF. You don't even have basis for that statement and don't use that whack statement from Shadow Rogue.
He had a few hours after Jackal and he literally had what 20 minutes after his fight with Franmelth. That's not a lot time for a break and Gajeel was out of the battle after one fight while like I said Natsu fought 4 in the course of one day.
Lol no, LFD is much stronger than ISD by a lot. LFD starting ignition KOed Hades while ISD starting ignition only beat shadow Rogue.
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Erza was doing most of damage to Laxus until the ending where Laxus used all his dragon attacks.
Doesn't make any sense based on what the manga shows? Natsu has defeated a Spriggan with a few attacks in base, that clearly shows he has quite the impressive attack power. Not only that, but Natsu has clearly shown in this arc that he's the stronger of the two. He's clearly shown to have the greater attack power from his encounters with Spriggans and has also shown he's got the greater AoE etc- He has everything supporting him as the stronger of the two Dragon Slayers. He trained for most of the timeskip which Gajeel didn't, so how can you legitimitely expect Gajeel to be on equal footing with Natsu when he hasn't put in nearly enough work or shown anything to suggest he is an equal?
Tier 4 -Erzaa
Shadow Rogue isn't Future Rogue. Future Rogue is Rogue seven years into the future with shadow power mastered and he also has Sting's Holy Dragon powers.
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Algeria put him in a stasis so no he barely got rest time after the Franmelth fight.
Laxus nuke is more impressive tbh. Erzas speed, Mira's hax, Juvias hax.
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Ok, now I'm heated, how in the hell does Natsu rank above Laxus?
Yes, Natsu defeated a Spriggan with a very low durability WITH a spell. Gajeel defeated a Spriggan with better durability than both Neinhart and Jacob WITHOUT a spell. This isn't that hard to understand right? Gajeel has shown far better attack power in his Spriggan fight, it's not even debatable.
Yes I can.
Yeah right and exactly how can Natsu undo Gajeel's intangibility?
