Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Woodenstool]

More precisely would be she was about to give it to Wendy ( Unlock it for her ) :

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<< Ultear state that she will unlock TO only to one person cause one person is needed to heal Charlie basically it was suppose to be Sherria

Ultear starts to unlocking third origin for Wendy:

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But Ultear cancels the process and unlock TO for Sherria which she explains why and we get flashback ( even both Ultear in the previous page " I make it in time " and Sherria both comments that Wendy was buying time for them ) :

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So no Wendy doesn't have TO it was given for Sherria only.

You can show me panel which shows that Ultear unlocks it for Wendy as well ? instead of only " she did "..

I remember it saying Wendy didn't activate it yet because it wasn't ready but Chelia had hers ready.

 

[SirSamuel016]

I'll repeat myself one more time, NATSU USED MAGIC TO DEFEAT A SPRIGGAN AND GAJEEL DIDN'T. Just why the hell can't you just seem to understand that defeating a Spriggan with basic punches is a far superiot feat than defeating a zero durability level Spriggan with a magical punch. It doesn't matter a single thing how many times Gajeel "touched" Bloodman out there, the fact still stands that he managed to defeat an untouched high tier Spriggan with just HIS FISTS.

Oh and just so you know, the blast Natsu used to defeat Neinhart isn't even fully shown in that panel.

Bloodman's durability is superior to that of Jacob because he didn't receive any single damage when Gajeel or Levy attacked him. Jacob was pushed back by two basic spells of Natsu and Lucy.

Really your bias is taking you over here.

Gajeel didn't use magic to defeat Bloodman eh? Wrong again, he was in Dragon Force which is the final form of his magic, so technically he was using that to boost his punches. Actually yes, that is definitely using magic. Natsu coated his fist in flames, Gajeel coated his fist in his Dragon Force Iron scales. Its basically the same thing.

The whole blast not being shown when he attacked Neinhart with that nameless punch is irrelevant, what we saw there is enough to determine that it isn't as big an AoE as the Flame Dragon's Iron Fist I showed you.

Now now, in no way does Bloodman using his intangibility show he has better durability. Durability is being able to take attacks and still be able to fight, avoiding them via intangibility =/= better durability.

My god did you read what I said? Do I need to spell it out for you once more?

The AoE of Gajeel's Iron Shadow Dragon's Roar increases exponentially by distance.

What you posted was a panel that showed the AoE that affected the ground. THAT'S NOT THE FULL POTENTIAL OF THE SPELL.

I read exactly what you said. "It increases exponentially by distance" is what you said and I showed you how far the roar goes. That pales in comparison to Ikusatsunagi's size so what is your point? There is no way the Iron Shadow Dragon Roar we've seen stacks up to the War God's size, and you have no proof it'd even come close to covering him. Show me panels where he could cover the war god, prove me wrong. I'm certain from what I've shown you that the ISD roar would not even reach Ikusatsunagi's knee distance wise and width wise its got no hope in hell. And again, if that isn't the full potential of the spell then show me where the roar has been more impressive than that in the manga.

You keep on making me facepalm. What you showed was nothing more than his magic giving him a speed boost.

This is the shadow form that Gajeel uses in his ISDM and it's far different than the way Base Rogue uses it:

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Gajeel can literally become untouchable once he turns ISDM and Natsu doesn't have a single fucking way to counter it.

*Incorrect Buzzer Noise*

Stop twisting my words

His magic giving him a speed boost? Thats not all, he used his shadow's intangibility to avoid Gajeel's attack and get on the other side of him to attack. Gajeel still has to not be intangible for when he attacks, that is something that should be noted and I'm sure you realise that Natsu could land a hit on Gajeel in that time, and not only that but if Natsu was in FDKM then Gajeel would be taking heat damage like what Jacob was, so that is a counter to Gajeel getting close to him at all to attack. I'll also say it again, Natsu could just eat the shadow and boom, he's got the same attribute and can hit him even easier then. It really is that simple.

 

[Woodenstool]

I'm still waiting for the 730 guilds that are in Alvarez. We know the soldiers are part of the military and aren't mages.

 

[Brandish μ]

I'm still waiting for the 730 guilds that are in Alvarez. We know the soldiers are part of the military and aren't mages.

I think the soldiers (like those 1 million fodders) are wizards. They use magic in staves or similar. I don't think Hiro will give them any variation though... nor do I think anyone apart from the remaining shields or Zeref are relevant.

 

[Woodenstool]

I think the soldiers (like those 1 million fodders) are wizards. They use magic in staves or similar. I don't think Hiro will give them any variation though... nor do I think anyone apart from the remaining shields or Zeref are relevant.

Then they are like the council who use magic staff to release magic. 730 Guilds are mages not people who carry staffs.

 

[Arjuna]

The only thing similar about them is that they share same amount of magic power. For example, Gray and Natsu.

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You have no proof for FDK being stronger, none. The panel was right after he destroyed him, it takes time for water to flow back.

Using a mode is not casual, that is Natsu going all out.

Hiro Mashima is the author not Zeref. No one dies in FT.

FDK is a powerup mode.Here his MP,speed,defense and durability increases.And secondly using a simple Demolition Fist is not going all out.And yes Natsu till now has not killed a single human.He never had killing intent.

 

[Jko]

FDK is a powerup mode.Here his MP,speed,defense and durability increases.And secondly using a simple Demolition Fist is not going all out.And yes Natsu till now has not killed a single human.He never had killing intent.

He killed 973 Alvarez fodder soldiers lol.

Natsu has showcased he's mid-tier Spriggan. It's not surprising either considering his 10 months training was the most hardcore out of everyone in the guild. He did have to train his body to be able to withstand the force of Igneel's power.

 

[Arjuna]

He killed 973 Alvarez fodder soldiers lol.

Natsu has showcased he's mid-tier Spriggan. It's not surprising either considering his 10 months training was the most hardcore out of everyone in the guild. He did have to train his body to be able to withstand the force of Igneel's power.

At first i also thought that.But if you see in chap 494 you will see probably Irene mentions that they have 1 million soldiers guarding the guild hall.So if he killed 927 soldiers then 1 million would not have remained.And Fairytail's weakness is they don't kill any humans.

 

[Jko]

At first i also thought that.But if you see in chap 494 you will see probably Irene mentions that they have 1 million soldiers guarding the guild hall.So if he killed 927 soldiers then 1 million would not have remained.And Fairytail's weakness is they don't kill any humans.

That's because it's all of Alvarez. There were still the 300,000 Soldiers in the North and 300,000 in the South (though they might be out of condition).

 

[The President]

Algeria put him in a stasis so no he barely got rest time after the Franmelth fight.

Unless Alegria suspended time I don't see why his body wouldn't cool down.

Levy helped Gajeel as much as Makarov helped Natsu. Zancrow was only dominating bcs he had fire that a Slayer couldn'the even eat while he could constantly eat Natsu's.

Hardly. Zancrow was dominating because he was superior to Natsu. He did not have to eat Natsus flames to overwhelm him.

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The first one shows Zancrow easily winning a clash of magic and the second one is after Zancrow wins in an exchange of CQC. Zancrow was superior to Natsu in every way, there is no argument to be made for Natsu being on the same level. The fact that Zancrow can give CURRENT Meredy a good fight solidifies that fact.

Kain was stronger than that pathetic chicken and Goat. Hade isn't stupid either considering he was a brilliant mage that created Infinite Magic a.k.a. Fairy Heart.

No he wasn't. The goat alone was more impressive then Kain, add the chicken combo and the duo take it. You're argument was that Hades must be stupid if he would have a kin weaker then TWO Non-Kin, my retort is that Hades is stupid by you're logic since he has someone like Kain. I'm not saying Hades is actually stupid silly.

Gajeel displayed nothing to say he can 1 on 2 the twins in the GMG. Clearly your statement is baseless. DF Sting and DF Rogue together >> Rogue alone.

How can it be baseless when he was man handling his opponent (Rogue) just as easily as Natsu was manhandling Sting and then later effortlessly defeated Rogue in a 1 Vs 1 in the final round? Gajeel is also >> Rogue alone, so it evens out. I'd consider base GMG Gajeel roughly equal to the twins together. Shadow Rogue was >>> Base GMG Gajeel.

Lol that statement is pure BS. He had no idea Natsu true power when he got smashed literally two days ago by Natsu with back up. Natsu didn't even go LFD on their butts bcs he knew that'd be overkill. Like said that statement was pure BS plain and simple.

Yes he did, he saw Natsus base power and was clearly fully aware that he had LFD (since he says Natsu didn't use it against them). And I hope you know that Shadow Rogue and regular Rogue (the Rogue we know) aren't the same person, cause you are giving me the vibe that you aren't aware of that. Shadow Rogue is a different persona with a massive boost in power from the Rogue that Natsu and Gajeel beat the shit out of.

@Daniel9dsi He used shadow body against Torafusa. Though this is an actual ability that comes with the mode, not just a raw power boost so even if he hadn't its still not really the same thing.

 

[Arjuna]

I hardly doubt Gajeel has shadow mode now.Natsu probably doesn't have LFD now.Sad i really liked LFD.These second elements are not unlimited.They got it from other mages which is bound to run out and which probably did by now.

 

[Crimson Ice]

That's just not true. Natsu used all of Laxus' magic back on Tenrou yet kept it afterwards.

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Red Lightning was super effective against Wall which is why he was killed. he did tanked all of Laxus attacks with little to no damage. he may be immune to lightning but he isn't immune to physical attacks and Laxus blows are Top Tier. Wall couldn't analyze Red Lightning which is why he couldn't absorb it. without that immunity his super vulnerability against lightning remains. Laxus still powered up Red Lightning even further to break him, which means that even with vulnerability he managed to resist Red lightning until Laxus powered it up even more. keep in mind that his Historia is taking blows from Minerva who is far from being weak.


if I had to place Spriggan's in durability then it would be like this
1. Goddess Dimaria
2. God Serena, Ajeel, Wall
3. Bloodman
4. Jacob, Brandish
5. Invel
6. Neinhart

Stop this, stop it now. This is not Pokemon, the red lightning move was not super effective it was just the only move that Wahl wasn't immune to.

 

[Arata]

That's just not true. Natsu used all of Laxus' magic back on Tenrou yet kept it afterwards.

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Stop this, stop it now. This is not Pokemon, the red lightning move was not super effective it was just the only move that Wahl wasn't immune to.

Walh literally said so previously.

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[Crimson Ice]

Walh literally said so previously.

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You can't read the scan you posted properly. IT LITERALLY SAYS HE MASTERED HIS WEAKNESS SO IT'S NOT A WEAKNESS ANYMORE. On top of the fact Wahl flat out says he's immune to lightning. Red lightning wasn't some super effective move.

 

[Arata]

You can't read the scan you posted properly. IT LITERALLY SAYS HE MASTERED HIS WEAKNESS SO IT'S NOT A WEAKNESS ANYMORE. On top of the fact Wahl flat out says he's immune to lightning. Red lightning wasn't some super effective move.

I posted the first picture for a reason.
Machines being weak to electricity is common knowledge in that world.
Walh is a machine, so he's weak to electricity. That's why he develops a technique to absorb electricity.
It's not a weakness anymore only because he can absorb it. He mastering the techniques and all don't change the fact that he's a machine. He didn't say anything about resistance to electricity neither, only the ability to absorb it.
But he cannot absorb red lightning for a random reason. And red lightning is electricity and it's effective to machines.

 

[Woodenstool]

I posted the first picture for a reason.
Machines being weak to electricity is common knowledge in that world.
Walh is a machine, so he's weak to electricity. That's why he develops a technique to absorb electricity.
It's not a weakness anymore only because he can absorb it. He mastering the techniques and all don't change the fact that he's a machine. He didn't say anything about resistance to electricity neither, only the ability to absorb it.
But he cannot absorb red lightning for a random reason. And red lightning is electricity and it's effective to machines.

Walh said he conquered his weakness AND found a way to turn it into power.

He's immune to electricity.

 

[Crimson Ice]

I posted the first picture for a reason.
Machines being weak to electricity is common knowledge in that world.
Walh is a machine, so he's weak to electricity. That's why he develops a technique to absorb electricity.
It's not a weakness anymore only because he can absorb it. He mastering the techniques and all don't change the fact that he's a machine. He didn't say anything about resistance to electricity neither, only the ability to absorb it.
But he cannot absorb red lightning for a random reason. And red lightning is electricity and it's effective to machines.

Wahl is a machine who could absorb electricity but the reason he couldn't absorb red lightning because it no longer had the properties of lightning and instead it had the properties of Mercury Fulminate. It being super effective is null and void because at this point red lightning doesn't even carry the normal regular properties of lightning anymore.

 

[Boomburst]

Wahl is a machine who could absorb electricity but the reason he couldn't absorb red lightning because it no longer had the properties of lightning and instead it had the properties of Mercury Fulminate. It being super effective is null and void because at this point red lightning doesn't even carry the normal regular properties of lightning anymore.

Red Lightning may not have the same properties as normal lightning, but it's still lightning regardless. Unless you mean to tell me that Laxus pulled the ability to use a whole different element out of his ass, Wahl's electricity weakness applies to Red Lightning as well.

 

[The President]

Yeah saying that Red Lightning isn't lightning is ridiculous (its in the damn name). The reason Wahl couldn't do anything about it was because it was a new type of lightning that he did not know about and therefore did not have an immunity too. Its a different kind of lightning, but its still lightning at the end of the day. It was super effective against Wahl.

 

[Static]

@Dr. Monty @Daniel9dsi Completely agreed.

Wahl had stated it himself that lightning was his weakness until he developed an immunity to it. Red Lightning is just lightning with different properties and because Wahl had never encountered it before, he couldn't develop an immunity to it immediately and it was super-effective to him.