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But do you not see that a strategy to defend Ishgar wouldn't have even been needed had Natsu killed Zeref? It's not like he just decided to fight him for the fun of it, killing Zeref could have prevented the whole war from even taking place and no one in his guild would have gotten hurt. All the bloodshed and violence could have been avoided had Natsu succeeded.
You're right, if Natsu killed Zeref, then nothing else would have mattered.
Did Natsu kill Zeref?
That's where you go wrong. He didn't succeed.
And in this case, Not Succeeding = Blunder.
There is no denying that, what could have happened doesn't matter as far as I'm concerned because what already happened clearly was not success.
Actually it would have turned out fine considering that even Base Natsu broke out of Invel's ice just fine, meaning that with Igneel's power Invel probably would have gotten fodderized.
Natsu can't 1v2 Invel and Zeref at the same time. Even if Natsu does manage to fodderize Invel, Zeref won't be standing idly by watching.
You are also forgetting that Zeref has the book of END in his hand. He can literally pierce 9 holes in that book, and Natsu would not even have the strength to look them in the eye.
What Natsu did was foolish and careless, I really don't see any other alternative to that.
You can keep playing this "oh what a terrible friend he was" game all you want but that's completely irrelevant considering that he was TRYING TO END THE WAR. Again, he didn't go after Zeref just for the hell of it, it should be obvious that killing Zeref would have been far more beneficial to his guild mates than staying behind and helping defend. Telling his guild about his plan would have only hindered him.
Being a bad friend is irrelevant now???
And why is that exactly?
Natsu was trying to end the war, but he was doing it the wrong way.
How would telling his guild about his plan hinder him?? Are you even a part of the guild? What kind of friendship is this?
If I was master and anybody dared say that, I would immediately expel them from the guild.
There should be absolutely no reason why Natsu should hide the fact that he is fighting an opponent of the guild.
They are his allies, I think they deserve to know what he is up to.
If Natsu didn't want to work with his guild mates, he should have erased his guild mark before fighting Zeref.
And what exactly would have turned out differently had Natsu not gone alone? What would have changed?
You clearly don't get it. Natsu should have warned or told his guild mates about his plan. He went MIA and left the guild to figure out where he was. That's irresponsible.
He abandoned his guild and wasn't working as a team. He was operating alone without Mavis and the rest of the guild.
Natsu not going alone would also give him a better chance at killing Zeref. Not to mention, if something went wrong, they would be able to help him. Natsu is not invincible you know. He was not being a team player.
I bet if Gray tried to solo Acnologia next chapter, you wouldn't giving me the same script that you are now.
You do realize that apart from END, Natsu with Igneel's power is the only way for Zeref to die right? He could have soloed a top-tier Spriggan sure, but then he would have given up Fairy Tail's only way of killing Zeref and that would have been a far greater waste than challenging Zeref and losing.
That's why I've been telling you that Natsu should not have wasted it in the first place.
I was always an advocate for Natsu using Igneel's power to kill Zeref.
But I said, in the event that Natsu COULD NOT kill Zeref with Igneel's power...
At least DO NOT waste it and actually kill off somebody (preferably Irene tier)
Natsu completely wasted Igneel's power... he only killed fodders with it... smh.. if he really wanted to kill fodders that badly, he could have just asked Gildartz who could have done that in his sleep.
It wasn't plain common sense considering the fact that Natsu WOULD HAVE SUCCEEDED.
But he wasn't wrong about his potential nor was he wrong about the threat of Zeref. The outcome would have been the same regardless of Zeref's power because like I've repeated countless times, what caused him to lose wasn't Zeref being an almighty immortal dark wizard, it was because they were related in a way that was completely impossible to predict.
When did Gray's and Laxus's opinions start to matter more than Ezra's and Mavis's?
That doesn't make any sense in the slightest. The two scenarios are completely different because Gildarts has no chance whatsoever against Acnologia, while Natsu actually COULD beat Zeref, WAS beating Zeref, and WOULD HAVE beat Zeref had it not been for sheee plot convenience.
Alright, last time dude, I'm not gonna repeat myself again:
COULD HAVE and WOULD HAVE doesn't mean shit to me at this point.
The point is that Natsu DID NOT kill Zeref with it.
He should never have challenged Zeref alone in the first place.
So let me ask you this. Had Natsu actually succeeded, would you still find him immature and incompetent?
Yes. Natsu had the nerve to act of his own accord without the consideration of his allies and guild mates. It was an immature move on Natsu's part and involved a great deal of risk.
Natsu gambled a lot on that move of his.
And clearly I'm not wrong the way it actually unfolded.
Natsu completely wasted his dragon father's leftover magic.
What's funny about all this is that Natsu's actions were pretty much identical to Makarov's actions when he disbanded the guild. Makarov abandoned his family without telling anyone so that he could try and prevent a war with the strongest nation in the world. Is Makarov too immature to be a guild master because he failed as well?
What the f*ck is this?
Makarov GAVE a speech to the guild about disbanding it.
You can't compare him to Natsu because Natsu didn't inform anybody of his plans to solo Zeref.
Quit pulling stuff. Makarov was justified for his actions.
As the guild master, he was justified for disbanding the guild the way he saw fit. And he did it with good intentions and a good heart too.
He explained that his children's lives were in danger if he didn't disband it because there was a possibility that Alvarez was hunting down Fairy Tail members for Fairy Heart.
In other words, Makarov took precautions.
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That's why I said Natsu shouldn't have tried to solo Zeref in the first place.I still think Natsu is one of the worst choices to be a leader of anything but a small team, but this isn't fair. Didn't Happy stop Natsu from using his strongest attack because he didn't want Natsu to die? if Natsu had gone through with it, who knows what would have happened.
It was common sense and Igneel's power being wasted could have been avoided.
Natsu's decision to try to solo Zeref caused a number of problems, not just one.