Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2015-2016] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Varus]

. When AssClass was heating up there was no question that it's success was largely due to readers actually liking it so its promotions makes sense and it wasn't nearly as excessive but how much of Black Clover's appeal is just business versus people generally liking it?

Promoting and pushing something is always a business decision and as I said Jump won't support something unless it showed promise. Only Jump accurately knows how big Clover's audience is, you can speculate all you want but you will be surprised by the number of people who actually enjoy the series. It recently made the NY best seller list with volume 3 and It supposedly did well in Germany and France. I doubt the manga has a huge insane amount of supporters but it probably has a respectable amount if they decided to push it. It is all a business decision but that decision is made based on the reception the manga gets and the potential it has and the state of the magazine. I would say it sold decently for what it's worth at the start and Jump saw it as a potential prospect and ran with it. Jump gave it two color pages prior to every volume release and they probably pushed it up the rankings based on how it performed. Bleach and Naruto ended and Toriko is at the door, leaving One Piece and MHA the only two long term battle manga. They need it to succeed and they wouldn't push if it didn't have anything backing it. Now back to the 2 cover pages it will apparently receive, It makes sense if you look at how much Clover has been selling, the numbers are stagnating and as a potential prospect a big push is the best decision right now, specially with the OVA and potential anime on the way. There isn't as much to lose if it bombs this early then it would get canned as soon as possible and Jump will replace it with the plethora of possible projects from promising authors like Yusaku Shibata, Takamasa or someone that people here like to hype like Kei Monri and Tabata's own assistant Asahi Sakano.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

So it needs two covers to promote an OVA/anime when its already been announced with a date and everything and you people still deny that this isn't an editorial push. Where were you guys when Toriko was being pushed?

"Needs", so if somebody give you a Ferrari is because you NEED it right. I

"to promote an OVA/anime", this is your pure speculation.

"when its already been announced with a date", Now you're showing how your own speculation makes everything wrong.

So you use the wrong verb, add a speculation of your own, and than show how the verb with the speculation makes everything seem wrong. And you think you made a point.

When "Toriko was being pushed", in its 3rd year anime promotion campaign, I was thinking how stupid Bleach fans were and starting getting into the series, the manga. The anime I only started watching way later.

Which series has had multiple covers in a row as means for promotion? Strike One


The One Piece multiple cover were for promotion for a high profile movie while the Black Clover covers are for promotion for an anime, therefore are you saying that Black Clover's priority is on the same level of both One Piece movies? Strike Two


How much promotion has Hinomaru gotten this year? Strike Three

Yep, and the gift you give your girlfriend/boyfriend shows the level of your love for her in direct relation with the gifts you gave yours ex-girlfriend/boyfriend.
Giving something you gave to only one of you ex-girlfriends/boyfriends, the one you most liked, means that or you like this one as much or your pushing the relation.

Strike Four!

 

[101nemesis]

Nothing? There is whole universe full of food lol. There were always hints about space trip in Toriko.

But that wouldn't be anything related to the current story. It would be the beginning of something new.
And seeing the ranks and the dip in sales, it would be hard for it to survive another year let alone start another story that will need another 6 years.

 

[ChocoBar9]

Promoting and pushing something is always a business decision and as I said Jump won't support something unless it showed promise. Only Jump accurately knows how big Clover's audience is, you can speculate all you want but you will be surprised by the number of people who actually enjoy the series.

Like Toriko right? I know I'm sounding like a broken record but that was a series that proved that Jump's push didn't align with the audience reception and that was a series that wasn't making the numbers to be in the same league as One Piece and Naruto and there's been no proof that shows Black Clover is as well liked as the ToC has displayed. Does that mean the series doesn't have a fanbase? Nope it definitely does but is it big enough for two cover pages in a row? Hardly.

It recently made the NY best seller list with volume 3 and It supposedly did well in Germany and France.

Funnily enough volumes 1 and 2 didn't even crack the list, must of been a slow week for releases.

I doubt the manga has a huge insane amount of supporters but it probably has a respectable amount if they decided to push it. It is all a business decision but that decision is made based on the reception the manga gets and the potential it has and the state of the magazine. I would say it sold decently for what it's worth at the start and Jump saw it as a potential prospect and ran with it. Jump gave it two color pages prior to every volume release and they probably pushed it up the rankings based on how it performed. Bleach and Naruto ended and Toriko is at the door, leaving One Piece and MHA the only two long term battle manga.

So its been all editorial push up to this point. Nothing wrong with that, hasn't reach Toriko levels of obnoxiousness (thankfully no crossovers this time), but its just amusing that they're going all out with this one.

They need it to succeed and they wouldn't push if it didn't have anything backing it. Now back to the 2 cover pages it will apparently receive, It makes sense if you look at how much Clover has been selling, the numbers are stagnating and as a potential prospect a big push is the best decision right now, specially with the OVA and potential anime on the way.

I'm in the assumption that the back to back cover pages are for major projects not for the prospects for future ones. At this point a Jump manga getting an anime adaptation is common as it is and doesn't require cover pages to that extend which will more or less is just going to be the OVA and then the announcement of the anime.

There isn't as much to lose if it bombs this early then it would get canned as soon as possible and Jump will replace it with the plethora of possible projects from promising authors like Yusaku Shibata, Takamasa or someone that people here like to hype like Kei Monri and Tabata's own assistant Asahi Sakano.

Jump won't cancel it immediately but it'll definitely lose the editor's blessing that essentially has been saving it through all this and of course there's the whole aftermath of it all that'll be worth a chuckle. As you said this is all business so whether it succeeds or not won't hurt Jump at all.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

Funny how Toriko only got one
crossover and that was during the time it was annouced that it was made by the same studio, air in the same channel and be in the same block as Onde Piece. But it looks like is really obnoxious of them to promoter that arranjement, they should just do nothing.

 

[ShenGao]

Love Rush Ch.10 is like the final nail in it's coffin.

Spoiler

Angel drowned, MC did CPR to save her, lips touching (kissing) is like a marriage proposal for them.

And Red Sprite doesn't look much better.

Spoiler

MC oneshot a group of supposedly strong enemies

 

[ChocoBar9]

Funny how Toriko only got one
crossover and that was during the time it was annouced that it was made by the same studio, air in the same channel and be in the same block as Onde Piece. But it looks like is really obnoxious of them to promoter that arranjement, they should just do nothing.

It got two actually. So by your logic where's my World Trigger crossover? You're not thinking these responses through it seems.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

It got two actually. So by your logic where's my World Trigger crossover? You're not thinking these responses through it seems.

Two manga crossovers? I only remember the Poop Devil Fruit one.

World Trigger was from the same studio, but it wasn't in the same block nor in the same Channel. If World Trigger was to do a crossover with a series would be Tribe Cool Crew, that was in the same channel and in the same block, though it wasn't from the same studio nor from Weekly Shonen Jump, in fact Tribe Cool Crew is an original anime, so it doesn't have manga.

 

[Mammo]

what's up with bnha? why is the new chapter shorter than normal? was Horikoshi sick or something?

 

[Tanzo]

Black Clover cast announcements:

Asta - CV: Shun Horie
Yuno - CV: Soma Saito (Haikyuu's Tadashi Yamaguchi, Tatsumi from Akame ga Kill!)

Source: YonkouProd

 

[iceemperor]

Heroaca 10 volumes : 6.5 Million

It added another 200k with the reprints of volumes 1~7

 

[savethecat]

If Kimetsu No Yaiba were to get an anime, what studio would you guys want to pick it up?

My choices would be Bones or Madhouse. Not choosing Madhouse just because everyone loves madhouse. I just feel that series has a similar tone as Hunter X Hunter and Madhouse could adapt it well. Madhouse picking it up could also bring more hype to the manga

 

[SharkBait]

Heroaca 10 volumes : 6.5 Million

It added another 200k with the reprints of volumes 1~7

Thats so little.

 

[Ihore]

Nothing extraordinary.
MHA really only has manga sales to show off since its game sold pretty poorly and the tv anime had sub par ratings.

 

[savethecat]

Nothing extraordinary.
MHA really only has manga sales to show off since its game sold pretty poorly and the tv anime had sub par ratings.

You think season 2 will keep the same time slot, or move?

 

[ChocoBar9]

If Kimetsu No Yaiba were to get an anime, what studio would you guys want to pick it up?

My choices would be Bones or Madhouse. Not choosing Madhouse just because everyone loves madhouse. I just feel that series has a similar tone as Hunter X Hunter and Madhouse could adapt it well. Madhouse picking it up could also bring more hype to the manga

The reason why Hunter x Hunter was even animated by Madhouse is because of the network it aired on (NTV) had picked up Hunter x Hunter and not much else. The staff they had for it was also nothing to gawk about either so its less that "they'll fit for it" and more so you're just familiar with how they handled that specific adaptation also Madhouse has done a plethora of forgettable junk so its not like they can make works popular moreso they get popular works.

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You think season 2 will keep the same time slot, or move?

There's really no reason for it to move since its not doing any worse than the shows that came after it though I think Nichigo isn't as hot a timeslot as it was eight years ago.

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Thats so little.

That's hardly low. In comparison the anime adaptation of Twin Star Exorcist thus far has only gotten 35k increase in sales of the source of material despite it having more episodes. D.Grayman Hollow also didn't do much to increase sales of the source of material. The high profile adaptation of Silent Voice that was released a month and a half ago increased sales of the already finished source of material by 100k which is considered good And people here seriously believe that Black Clover's anime would exponentially increase sales by three times its current average? I can't help but think you're giving the manga far too much credit than it deserves or you're naive.

 

[WyldViolet]

Ending blurb from the new Ghost Tits chapter has me thinking the series is also (along with Samon-kun) beginning the transition to battle manga.

 

[savethecat]

How is Samon? Been debating on reading it, but does it even get translated often?

 

[TyVip]

Ending blurb from the new Ghost Tits chapter has me thinking the series is also (along with Samon-kun) beginning the transition to battle manga.

Chapter 35 with the cat or the "newest chapter" ?
Because chapter 36 will prove you wrong.

Beside, this series doesn't need to be a battle manga, we already know what the MC is capable of. He defeated a dragon god.

The way I see it, the author can pull off episodic chapter of how he got possessed by a ghost.
A volleyball chapter, a basketball chapter, throw in plot chapters here and there, more episodic,

then boom 2 years later anime adaption and sell 1 million copies/volume

 

[Ihore]

NNT season 1 had strong ratings and that wasn't 8 year ago.
Arlsan Senki season 1 also had good ratings and that also wasn't 8 years ago.
This is the ratings of all shows ever since its creation in 2008.

*4.47　ガンダム00 2nd
*3.69　七つの大罪
*3.62　ヤマト2199
*3.50　マギ
*3.49　鋼の錬金術師FA
*3.04　アルスラーン戦記
*2.93　青の祓魔師
*2.73　ハイキュー
*2.66　コードギアスR2
*2.66　マギ 2期
*2.56　ガンダムAGE
*2.45　僕のヒーローアカデミア
*2.38　戦国BASARA弐
*2.25　鉄血
*2.20　STAR DRIVER
*2.15　アルスラーン戦記 2期
*2.00　七つの大罪 2期

Brotherhood is from 7 years ago so is Code Geass 2R