Fantasy God Serena VS Queens of Ishgar

[sharkai]

Why wouldn't she? Erza reputation or power-ups sindiff hen and the beginning of the series. There's been no major training arcs, and chronologically it's only been 6 months since Lucy joined. Erza's strongest armors are all known to Mirajane. I mean, I suppose the alternative is that Mirajane knew absolutely nothing about Erza's abilities. Well, you're correct Mira wouldn't have known about Jura's growth. But that means she's making the assessment before she knew that Jura rose to rank 5 of the Wizard Saint. Either way, it doesn't spell confidence for Mira.

Erza got hit by 1 Tera Clamare which did do quite a bit of damage, but the second one did not damage because she turned its power back on Azuma. You make a decent point on Laxus being fresh, but I would argue the reason that Laxus purposely gave his power to Natsu. He probably could have tanked it and kept going if he didn't. Also, Natsu was also beaten up throughout the Tenrou Arc (Zancrow, Bluenote, Hades). The fact that Laxus magical power was enough to bring him back up to shape to do what he did with LFD is again, a testament to Laxus' power.

I think second tera clemare was the one she was planning on giving up. Or was that only in anime? If I am correct then both effected her.
I don't agree whether laxus could fight longer because he fell on his knees and was talking about monsters.
He could have done the same by standing up.
Mira shouldn't know much about erza because she hasn't seen erza in action in.a long time. Markarov seems to really believe kagura was stronger than.erza too. So I think Mira shouldn't know much about pre So erza either.
And she didn't know about jura. Post and pre time skip. Other than his reputation
Mira might not have been able to take out jura. But she do give him q good fight. Maybe even high diff

Laxus has yet to called strongest in guild. Or. Second strongest. It's all fan made actually
In fact laxus has yet defeat someone who defeated mira yet. So I think he still has to prove that he is the top dog. Not just one of the top dogs

 

[Axiomus]

I think second tera clemare was the one she was planning on giving up. Or was that only in anime? If I am correct then both effected her.
I don't agree whether laxus could fight longer because he fell on his knees and was talking about monsters.
He could have done the same by standing up.
Mira shouldn't know much about erza because she hasn't seen erza in action in.a long time. Markarov seems to really believe kagura was stronger than.erza too. So I think Mira shouldn't know much about pre So erza either.
And she didn't know about jura. Post and pre time skip. Other than his reputation
Mira might not have been able to take out jura. But she do give him q good fight. Maybe even high diff

I'm not what you mean by that.

Spoiler: The magic of Tenrou Island that I should be controlling is protecting Erza

Laxus stood back up afterwards to punch Hades when he was gaining on Natsu.
That was with no magic left in his tank (and the Tenrou Tree wouldn't have protected him as he was excommunicated).
He would be in even better shape with his magical power.
Again, Laxus' magical power rejuvenated Natsu from being beaten to a pulp to running around with LFD. If Laxus had kepted that power to himself, he probably could have done something similar before going down.

GMG Mirajane would do worse against Jura than she did against Azuma imo. Also, keep in mind that Orga has the largest MP reserve out of Sabertooth. Jura can smack-drop him. Minerva vs Erza, although Erza was dominant, wasn't anywhere near that level of overkill.

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Laxus has yet to called strongest in guild. Or. Second strongest. It's all fan made actually
In fact laxus has yet defeat someone who defeated mira yet. So I think he still has to prove that he is the top dog. Not just one of the top dogs

Mirajane has yet to defeat anyone on the same level as the opponents that Laxus has defeated. Laxus might not be the strongest, but he's beaten a Spriggan. He was about to oneshot Ajeel (or close to it) as well had August not interfered. That's more than what can be said for Mirajane.

 

[Laxus chan-yo]

Serena stomps both scenarios imo. I don't care what anyone says the Gods of Ishgar are stronger than any of the females involved in this fight.

What Mashima did to Serena gets me so triggered.

 

[sharkai]

I'm not what you mean by that.

Spoiler: The magic of Tenrou Island that I should be controlling is protecting Erza

Laxus stood back up afterwards to punch Hades when he was gaining on Natsu.
That was with no magic left in his tank (and the Tenrou Tree wouldn't have protected him as he was excommunicated).
He would be in even better shape with his magical power.
Again, Laxus' magical power rejuvenated Natsu from being beaten to a pulp to running around with LFD. If Laxus had kepted that power to himself, he probably could have done something similar before going down.

GMG Mirajane would do worse against Jura than she did against Azuma imo. Also, keep in mind that Orga has the largest MP reserve out of Sabertooth. Jura can smack-drop him. Minerva vs Erza, although Erza was dominant, wasn't anywhere near that level of overkill.

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Mirajane has yet to defeat anyone on the same level as the opponents that Laxus has defeated. Laxus might not be the strongest, but he's beaten a Spriggan. He was about to oneshot Ajeel (or close to it) as well had August not interfered. That's more than what can be said for Mirajane.

Before that when natsu was asking if erza was giving up, during the second tera clemare. Why would erza being giving up, if it wasnt effecting her?

Mirajane did fine against azuma. She wasnt shown inferior to him. So yeah maybe

No, ogra is far below Minerva. He was the strongest before minerva was introduced
And ogra treats minerva like bisclow treats laxus
And he was told to stay clear of kagura, lest sabertooths lose members

I am getting the vibe you think laxus = tenrou lfd natsu
I suppose it makes sense since natsu team should be running near empty and then natsu was so much more stronger. Unfortunately its not what is shown.
By performance, from worst to the best
1) wrecked wendy and lucy
2) wrecked gray and erza
3) wrecked natsu
Tier difference
4) full fresh laxus
managed to land hit from close range, right at the start of the fight. Managed to land more hits before hades touches the ground. But the moment hades started moving, he falls. Surprising people by enduring formula 25 for couple of seconds, because he couldnt avoid it
Tier difference
5) marakarov
requires jupiter hit, and shock to knock him out of titan form. Blocks 25 and 100 formula. Needs heart attack to be put down
6) tenrou lfd natsu
beats hades to pulp. Gives no time for hades big hits, others gets straight out overpowered by natsu. Would have mid diffed hades if not for the heart.

By power
Tenrou Lfd natsu > hades >> laxus
You can also think of it like this, tenrou lfd natsu > = ToH df natsu
And both are >> laxus and jellal

I dont pretend to know why, buts that is what is shown
Laxus is only tier above natsu. That is he can mid diff him. Or he needs big moves like roar or halbert to be able to put natsu down. Those are his strongest move
Mira should also be in the same category, judging by portrayal and what she did to freed

Laxus standing up after so long is not really impressive. Even wendy kept on getting up. Its a fairy tail thing
As for no magic thing, thats plot. If you run out of magic you die. Ask aria or Azuma

I am not saying mira is stronger than laxus
But difference is increasing, because mira is non battle character, while laxus relevancy depends on his few battles. But in the start it wasnt huge. The only person who thought laxus was the strongest or far above others was laxus himself, no one else
By gmg, he has only taken one opponent above mira standard, that is jura. Which doesnt put him in a class of his own, just stronger. But still in the same level.
gmg laxus should mid diff gmg natsu, not including lfd. Which might push everything to natsu favor
Gmg laxus should mid high, or high diff gmg mira.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Before that when natsu was asking if erza was giving up, during the second tera clemare. Why would erza being giving up, if it wasnt effecting her?

Mirajane did fine against azuma. She wasnt shown inferior to him. So yeah maybe

No, ogra is far below Minerva. He was the strongest before minerva was introduced
And ogra treats minerva like bisclow treats laxus
And he was told to stay clear of kagura, lest sabertooths lose members

I am getting the vibe you think laxus = tenrou lfd natsu
I suppose it makes sense since natsu team should be running near empty and then natsu was so much more stronger. Unfortunately its not what is shown.
By performance, from worst to the best
1) wrecked wendy and lucy
2) wrecked gray and erza
3) wrecked natsu
Tier difference
4) full fresh laxus
managed to land hit from close range, right at the start of the fight. Managed to land more hits before hades touches the ground. But the moment hades started moving, he falls. Surprising people by enduring formula 25 for couple of seconds, because he couldnt avoid it
Tier difference
5) marakarov
requires jupiter hit, and shock to knock him out of titan form. Blocks 25 and 100 formula. Needs heart attack to be put down
6) tenrou lfd natsu
beats hades to pulp. Gives no time for hades big hits, others gets straight out overpowered by natsu. Would have mid diffed hades if not for the heart.

By power
Tenrou Lfd natsu > hades >> laxus
You can also think of it like this, tenrou lfd natsu > = ToH df natsu
And both are >> laxus and jellal

I dont pretend to know why, buts that is what is shown
Laxus is only tier above natsu. That is he can mid diff him. Or he needs big moves like roar or halbert to be able to put natsu down. Those are his strongest move
Mira should also be in the same category, judging by portrayal and what she did to freed

Laxus standing up after so long is not really impressive. Even wendy kept on getting up. Its a fairy tail thing
As for no magic thing, thats plot. If you run out of magic you die. Ask aria or Azuma

I am not saying mira is stronger than laxus
But difference is increasing, because mira is non battle character, while laxus relevancy depends on his few battles. But in the start it wasnt huge. The only person who thought laxus was the strongest or far above others was laxus himself, no one else
By gmg, he has only taken one opponent above mira standard, that is jura. Which doesnt put him in a class of his own, just stronger. But still in the same level.
gmg laxus should mid diff gmg natsu, not including lfd. Which might push everything to natsu favor
Gmg laxus should mid high, or high diff gmg mira.

Oh lord....LMAO.

Oh and for people saying Serena didn't show all elements so that hurts him? He can stomp with the elements shown.

 

[Seven777]

Before that when natsu was asking if erza was giving up, during the second tera clemare. Why would erza being giving up, if it wasnt effecting her?

Mirajane did fine against azuma. She wasnt shown inferior to him. So yeah maybe

No, ogra is far below Minerva. He was the strongest before minerva was introduced
And ogra treats minerva like bisclow treats laxus
And he was told to stay clear of kagura, lest sabertooths lose members

I am getting the vibe you think laxus = tenrou lfd natsu
I suppose it makes sense since natsu team should be running near empty and then natsu was so much more stronger. Unfortunately its not what is shown.
By performance, from worst to the best
1) wrecked wendy and lucy
2) wrecked gray and erza
3) wrecked natsu
Tier difference
4) full fresh laxus
managed to land hit from close range, right at the start of the fight. Managed to land more hits before hades touches the ground. But the moment hades started moving, he falls. Surprising people by enduring formula 25 for couple of seconds, because he couldnt avoid it
Tier difference
5) marakarov
requires jupiter hit, and shock to knock him out of titan form. Blocks 25 and 100 formula. Needs heart attack to be put down
6) tenrou lfd natsu
beats hades to pulp. Gives no time for hades big hits, others gets straight out overpowered by natsu. Would have mid diffed hades if not for the heart.

By power
Tenrou Lfd natsu > hades >> laxus
You can also think of it like this, tenrou lfd natsu > = ToH df natsu
And both are >> laxus and jellal

I dont pretend to know why, buts that is what is shown
Laxus is only tier above natsu. That is he can mid diff him. Or he needs big moves like roar or halbert to be able to put natsu down. Those are his strongest move
Mira should also be in the same category, judging by portrayal and what she did to freed

Laxus standing up after so long is not really impressive. Even wendy kept on getting up. Its a fairy tail thing
As for no magic thing, thats plot. If you run out of magic you die. Ask aria or Azuma

I am not saying mira is stronger than laxus
But difference is increasing, because mira is non battle character, while laxus relevancy depends on his few battles. But in the start it wasnt huge. The only person who thought laxus was the strongest or far above others was laxus himself, no one else
By gmg, he has only taken one opponent above mira standard, that is jura. Which doesnt put him in a class of his own, just stronger. But still in the same level.
gmg laxus should mid diff gmg natsu, not including lfd. Which might push everything to natsu favor
Gmg laxus should mid high, or high diff gmg mira.

Laxus was tiers above everyone in Fairy Tail bar Gildarts.

Gray's comment at the start of GMG arc makes it clear.
Beating Jura, the unbeatable guy that everyone was afraid of fighting, pretty much the "August of the GMG arc" makes it clearer.
Mashima himself saying that Laxus was difficult to put into battles because he is so powerful makes it canon.

You can argue the "what ifs" all you like, doesnt change the fact that Laxus is portrayed, implied and stated to be in a league of his own.

 

[sharkai]

Laxus was tiers above everyone in Fairy Tail bar Gildarts.

Gray's comment at the start of GMG arc makes it clear.
Beating Jura, the unbeatable guy that everyone was afraid of fighting, pretty much the "August of the GMG arc" makes it clearer.
Mashima himself saying that Laxus was difficult to put into battles because he is so powerful makes it canon.

You can argue the "what ifs" all you like, doesnt change the fact that Laxus is portrayed, implied and stated to be in a league of his own.

If laxus was tiers above everyone else. He would have one shotted natsu in ff arc. Instead he needed two of his most strongest move to even put gajeel down, someone who was even more weaker than natsu.

Laxus protrayal is not important than everyone else portrayal.
Before time skip Mira and erza was considerably above natsu by portrayal. Erza by feats as well. Their portrayal can't just be ignored for fan's favourite portrayal.

The fact is no one in the fairy tail verse has ever said laxus is second strongest in fairy tail. Even in the latest arc. There is no what ifs about it.

Gray saying that in gmg arc is no difference than gray saying no one can take on erza in toh Arc. So it doesn't make anything clearer.

No one was afraid of Jura. At least not the fairy fighters. Yes, he was indeed the August of the arc. Unfortunately we have Mira old rival take out two lacardes of the arc, one after the other. Thus again making it not so clear.

The mishma comment, which I have yet find source of, makes little sense with laxus progress and even less reliable after looking at how mishma deals with power scaling in the first place.

In gmg arc, where sting and rogue were said to be individually stronger than natsu and yet were easily soloed by him when they were in df, it's gonna be hard to believe any hype of that arc, including juras. At least in comparison to fairy tail members.
This hype is afterall the basis of laxus portray which the fans uses most. With others like full fledge laxus against wrecked erza. Or laxus using lightening body speed against erza using pajamas.

Yes, laxus could be strongest after gildarts. But not by huge extent. There in no evidence for that, at least till Tartarus arc.
I think laxus would mid diff natsu (not accounting for lfd) and mid high diff Mira or high diff Mira.
My mid diff means laxus at least need to use his strongest move. And can get little injured as well

 

[Brandish μ]

Moderator Notice:
Please keep on topic. Comparisons to Laxus can be done to make a point, however it's now straying too far off topic. Should you wish to continue Laxus related power discussion, please take it to the Alvarez Arc Power Ranking Thread~ Brandish

 

[xMage]

There's no point debating here.
There will never be a fair vote, always who wins is who has more fans.
It's a problematic fanbase ...
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[Takuan]

There's no point debating here.
There will never be a fair vote, always who wins is who has more fans.
It's a problematic fanbase ...
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What do you mean?
Do you think God Serena wins the poll because he has more fans than Mirajane, Minerva and Kagura combined?
If so... I don't even know

 

[Static]

Excuse me? Mirajane + Kagura + Minerva combined will have a fanbase way way way bigger than God Serena's...

Even here on MH, way more people like them than Serena.

 

[Nemispelled]

Bottom right corner, you can already see the rockbed beneath. The actual attack carved a path along the rocks.

Spoiler: Leading up to demolition fist

Spoiler: The actual attack

But either way, the attacks are not comparable. There's an AoE difference, plus Juliet and Heine are not Spriggans.

Was busy and couldn't reply for days. My bad.

But I disagree, by the time you even saw the rockbed, Natsu had already activated FDKM. That is precisely my point.

Natsu's body heat alone can't evaporate the whole lake, let alone the majority of it. The only feats he's shown capable of that is FDKM.

I can accept what you're saying. So what if Serena survives that one attack?

Mira isn't alone in this fight, in case anybody forgot that.

She is with Minerva who can surely finish off a Serena who just took a full-powered blitz from Mira.

Her Territory Magic and Yagdo Rigora should be more than enough.

She was after all, one of the strongest mages of Sabertooth, if not, the strongest.

Not by combat.

Juliet and Heine combined can take down GMG Laxus, if we are to believe the hype they can take down Makarov. Serena beat 4 opponents, 3 of which would have been stronger than GMG Laxus. Would Juliet and Heine stalemate 4 GMG Laxus' opponents? If Juliet and Heine can't stalemate 4 GMG Laxus opponents, then Serena's feat of taking down the Ishgar Saints is more impressive.

I'll bite. Show me where Mirajane has shown the magical capacity equal to 4x of GMG Laxus, the AoE radius comparable to that of a Spriggan, and strength and power of one (a Spriggan).

Combat or no combat, Erza still has the feat of staring down and killing 3 weak historias.

Current Mira definitely has more magical capacity than 4x GMG Laxus.

I don't see how you can argue with that.

Any decent strong character in previous arcs has already surpassed 4 GMG Laxus's, in Alvarez Arc.

The timeskip caused power gaps to be completely skewed.


This was (Battle of Fairy Tail Arc) Mira's AoE with an unnamed attack:

Spoiler

Now, which character pre-timeskip has shown power of that magnitude?

She is S-Class for a reason and is definitely on Laxus' level/tier.

Levy was considered as an S-class candidate.
Where in the manga has Makarov forbade Mirajane from using her power?

Levy herself admitted that out of all the S-Class candidates she was by far the weakest and stood no chance of winning. Makarov had to pick 7 strongest members (that are honorable and trustworthy), so naturally Levy would make it.

But Levy was by far the weakest and almost stood no chance with people like Natsu, Gray, Freed, and Cana taking part.


As for Makarov forbidding Mira from using her power, I can't find that in the manga.

I'll admit that and take back my words on that.

It was noted during the Zentopia incident, so I don't have any manga proof for that.

Since it was anime-only, then I'll admit I can't use that as hardcore evidence here.

"Caliber, on par, same level" all mean the same thing.

"On par" means that Mira is a match for Laxus.

I never said that.

All I said was that Mira was in his league, hence the name "tier" or "level".

And I don't see how that's false.

Makarov considered Jura a match for Gildarts. Jura was made out to be a big deal during the Grand Magic Games. Laxus beating him is a testament to Laxus' status as being Fairy Tail's top dog, bar Gildarts. Now you can make the argument that Erza was gaining on Laxus due to second origin and nakagami, and the fact she can go through rounds with Kagura and Minerva. But you can't really make the same argument for Mirajane when her strongest opponent was Jenny, and her "power-up" was something that Erza should have rivalled with the Amadura Fairy armour.

As for Makarov's words about Jura being a match for Gildartz, we all know that was incredibly wrong.

Makarov didn't know either of their powers because he hadn't witnessed it in a very long time.

He was simply hyping up Jura for nothing and purely guessing.

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We clearly disagree on several points here. And since it's not going anywhere, I'll leave it as this...

You can have the last words if you so wish...



But in all honesty, I think the hype for God Serena is really absurd at this point.

The dude has shown almost no feats at all, except taking out 3 nerfed GoI.

There are characters with better feats than that... AoE-wise, CQC-wise, magical capacity and power-wise, and speed-wise.

And God Serena is above all of them because of baseless and nonsensical hype.


That fool was only hyped up to be this strong because he bragged that he is a dragon slayer with 8 stupid elements.

That doesn't mean crap if he doesn't show it.

But whatever, that's my opinion, personally, I disagree and differ with the majority of the opinion here.

 

[Brandish μ]

God Serena is overrated a bit, but he did stomp 4 reasonably strong/hyped opponents. His attacks are equivalent to base Natsu's at most imo.

With that said, base Natsu's offensive power is better than most Spriggans. It's enough to take out enchanted Neinhart easily. And Serena can spam this level of power. So it comes down to just how much endurance the likes of Mira, Kagura and Minerva have. Even if they're a little more tanky that the GOI, and Serena's attacks are a little weaker than Natsu's; it's still going to be tough for the girls to keep up.

Mira's gonna need Alegria to do anything, coz her base SS gets laughed at. Kagura has very potent attacks with her sword, but her endurance is questionable. Minerva could hold the key by transporting her comrades, like Kagura (put her very close to Serena so she can hit him). Still it's an uphill battle imo.

 

[Axiomus]

@Nemispelled

The lake evaporated before Natsu used demolition fist. You can argue that the body heat came from Fire Dragon King mode, but that doesn't change the fact its still his body heat - and not demolition fist itself.

Minerva would get oneshotted. Orga was the strongest of Sabertooth, and he was oneshotted by Jura. Serena owned Jura, and 3 people stronger than Jura. They got a few attacks in, and then he owned them some more. Also, what exactly can Minerva do to Serena?

Staring down the Historias means that the Historia were afraid of Erza. Not that Erza can out fight them. Besides had Erza not been up against a Historia, but instead the real thing, they wouldn't have simply evaporated.

The nuke Mirajane used against Freed is large building at best. You ask what pre-timeskip character has feats on that scale. Natsu's guren karyuken, Erza's armadura, Gray's rampart are all on the same scale, or larger. Also, if you truly want to talk about scale, then Mirajane needs something on par with Fairy Law to be on Laxus' level.

It really doesn't matter if Levy was the weakest. She was still nominated. Btw, the other nominees being stronger than her doesn't really help your case either, if your point was that all S-Class must be on the same level. Because even the other nominees weren't on the same level as each other, and more importantly - with Laxus.

During the GMG arc, Mirajane said that she wasnt sure if she and Erza combined could take Jura. Makarov said that Jura would be a match for Gildarts (which by the way was a comment he made after seeing Jura's performance against the MPF). Laxus beat Jura. Mirajane didn't do anything noteworthy. In this case, Laxus has better hype and feats than Mirajane.

God Serena is overhyped if you think he's inherently stronger than the other Spriggans. He does, however, have better feats than Mirajane. Or at least, if you want me to weigh which is more impressive between beating the Ishgar Saints + Jura versus beating Juliet and Heine, I'm inclined to believe its the former.

 

[sharkai]

God Serena is overrated a bit, but he did stomp 4 reasonably strong/hyped opponents. His attacks are equivalent to base Natsu's at most imo.

With that said, base Natsu's offensive power is better than most Spriggans. It's enough to take out enchanted Neinhart easily. And Serena can spam this level of power. So it comes down to just how much endurance the likes of Mira, Kagura and Minerva have. Even if they're a little more tanky that the GOI, and Serena's attacks are a little weaker than Natsu's; it's still going to be tough for the girls to keep up.

Mira's gonna need Alegria to do anything, coz her base SS gets laughed at. Kagura has very potent attacks with her sword, but her endurance is questionable. Minerva could hold the key by transporting her comrades, like Kagura (put her very close to Serena so she can hit him). Still it's an uphill battle imo.

You reckon that serena can take out nienhart with every hit
I dont remember serena having that power which natsu displayed when he one shotted nienhart

 

[Brandish μ]

You reckon that serena can take out nienhart with every hit
I dont remember serena having that power which natsu displayed when he one shotted nienhart

Maybe. I think Serena is probably hitting with similar power to base Natsu. And Neinhart's physical feats are not really impressive (does he have any?)

 

[sharkai]

@Nemispelled

The lake evaporated before Natsu used demolition fist. You can argue that the body heat came from Fire Dragon King mode, but that doesn't change the fact its still his body heat - and not demolition fist itself.

Minerva would get oneshotted. Orga was the strongest of Sabertooth, and he was oneshotted by Jura. Serena owned Jura, and 3 people stronger than Jura. They got a few attacks in, and then he owned them some more. Also, what exactly can Minerva do to Serena?

Staring down the Historias means that the Historia were afraid of Erza. Not that Erza can out fight them. Besides had Erza not been up against a Historia, but instead the real thing, they wouldn't have simply evaporated.

The nuke Mirajane used against Freed is large building at best. You ask what pre-timeskip character has feats on that scale. Natsu's guren karyuken, Erza's armadura, Gray's rampart are all on the same scale, or larger. Also, if you truly want to talk about scale, then Mirajane needs something on par with Fairy Law to be on Laxus' level.

It really doesn't matter if Levy was the weakest. She was still nominated. Btw, the other nominees being stronger than her doesn't really help your case either, if your point was that all S-Class must be on the same level. Because even the other nominees weren't on the same level as each other, and more importantly - with Laxus.

During the GMG arc, Mirajane said that she wasnt sure if she and Erza combined could take Jura. Makarov said that Jura would be a match for Gildarts (which by the way was a comment he made after seeing Jura's performance against the MPF). Laxus beat Jura. Mirajane didn't do anything noteworthy. In this case, Laxus has better hype and feats than Mirajane.

God Serena is overhyped if you think he's inherently stronger than the other Spriggans. He does, however, have better feats than Mirajane. Or at least, if you want me to weigh which is more impressive between beating the Ishgar Saints + Jura versus beating Juliet and Heine, I'm inclined to believe its the former.

Technically, laxus fairy law is levels above his next strongest spell.
So i dont think thats a fair demand for mira. Especially since in gmg, cana used another legendary fairy spell which was also probably levels above her strongest move. With legendary spell she was even above jura
Its just seems to be way those spells are legendary work. They are just very powerful

Did markarov know of mira training result, or erza powers with SO or laxus powers. When did he last see gildarts pushed.
I think that what he meant. That markarov knew nothing when he made that comparison

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Maybe. I think Serena is probably hitting with similar power to base Natsu. And Neinhart's physical feats are not really impressive (does he have any?)

I think the poor guy should get some benefit of doubt. He did trick zeref into making him a springgan

 

[Brandish μ]

I think the poor guy should get some benefit of doubt. He did trick zeref into making him a springgan

That's fair enough. Natsu likely hit Neinhart quite hard, and maybe that's something Serena couldn't replicate.

 

[Axiomus]

Technically, laxus fairy law is levels above his next strongest spell.
So i dont think thats a fair demand for mira. Especially since in gmg, cana used another legendary fairy spell which was also probably levels above her strongest move. With legendary spell she was even above jura
Its just seems to be way those spells are legendary work. They are just very powerful

Did markarov know of mira training result, or erza powers with SO or laxus powers. When did he last see gildarts pushed.
I think that what he meant. That markarov knew nothing when he made that comparison

It's still a display of Laxus' magical power. Cana's Fairy Glitter is given to her by Mavis, and she can't normally use it. Jura scored 8000+ on the MPF which actually puts him closer to Cana than it does to the third strongest, which was Orga.

Makarov would have had to known, at the very least, that Gildarts was stronger than everyone else at Fairy Tail. To suggest that Makarov knows nothing is kind of silly imo, given that he's the guildmaster. Makarov might not know about training missions or powerups, but he should have a general idea of where people stand. Gildarts is probably on the same level as Makarov himself, and Jura impressed Makarov. In any case, even if Makarov didn't know how much Mirajane had trained, we the reader do. She recovered usage of Sitri, which was a takeover Erza recognized as Mirajane's strongest before the whole Lisanna thing. This would have only put her on the same level as Erza without her second origin. Do any of her feats during the GMG put her on the same level as Laxus? Not really.

 

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That's fair enough. Natsu likely hit Neinhart quite hard, and maybe that's something Serena couldn't replicate.

Gildarts crash punches---->Natsu..... and God Serena was even able to go against Gildarts.....

Gildarts crash punches---> casually destroys Mountains and villages...

this basically means that God Serena himself is immensely strong physically