Discussion Alvarez Mages Power Rate - [FINISHED]

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Jacob proved that he could trap a Spriggan level character (Brandish) inside his Transport and it is said that he can just kill everything inside it. Jacob would beat Ajeel 1 on 1 unless Ajeel can somehow prevent him from clapping, which i don't think.
Overall i don't rate Jacob very high because he's lame as fuck. But seriously what did Ajeel do? He didn't pose a threat at all compared to Jacob.
 

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I DO think that if Jacob manages to use Transport on Ajeel, its game over but will Ajeel let him do that? First of all, the area of Transport is shown to only been Guildhall level and in speed, Ajeel is pretty fast among the 12 so I don't see how he won't be able to dodge an AoE the size of the Guildhall, especially in Sand World.
 

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Jacob proved that he could trap a Spriggan level character (Brandish) inside his Transport and it is said that he can just kill everything inside it.
Girl had the magic sealing cuffs on :blush:handgun But Transport is probably quite dangerous. Horologium seems to intervene during such times.
 

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I do acknowledge that "Transport" has a lot of hax and power...

But since he has virgin eyes, and the population between males and females is roughly 50:50... then you gotta divide that total "Transport Power/Hax" by 2.

That's because his overall capability only applies to half of the entire population... At least, that's how I see it.

#JacobFor11 - Results were rigged
 

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Hell naw, Ajeel in second last? So is non-dragonized Irene also the second weakest spriggan cause there really isn't much of a difference as far as performance goes between the two. Ajeel is easily a mid-tier spriggan. Next thing you know, Wahl is goes below Jacob :yodawg

Edit: #Transportisnotfuckinghaxxed
 
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#10



Jacob Lessio
Score: 4,91666667

Highest score: 8,5 x 1 (@BluePegasus)
Lowest score: 1 x 3 (@Brandish, @Nemispelled, @~Charging Lightning~)

No, no, NO! I completely disagree here. I know that Jacob is like the most trolled Spriggan out of the whole bunch, but his feats are outright insane. Just imagine everything he could cause by using Stealth; him as an opponent could be your worst nightmare. And the fact that Stealth is not the only thing he has in his possession, but also Transport, makes him worthy of the score I handed out. And I'm disgusted at the fact that no one else gave him this high!

Anyway, before his disappointing defeat he actually had some amazing hype. Remember when he dared to challenge Acnologia? This man has some nerve, and I actually wonder what would've happen if he did. Assassination is his specialty, and that makes him one of Zeref's precious. Let's be real, he was the perfect mage to steal Fairy Heart, but unfortunately.. Well, you know. Our beloved creator made him the dumbest Spriggan; which ended up playing a huge factor in his fight against Natsu and Lucy. The truth is, Jacob's low intelligence worked as a plot armour for these two. Just like with his current fight against Mirajane, he has always been held back in using Transport due to some lame excuses. Let's be honest, if we exclude all the huge amount of character induced stupidity this man received, Jacob could honestly conquer whole Ishgar's side by spamming Transport while being under the effects of Stealth himself. Do you guys really think this man deserves such a low average? What a mess. Jacob is the most underrated Spriggan, if you ask me.

Overview
Magic: Stealth, Transport
Spriggan Team: East
Highlights: Chapter 477, 478 & 479​
 

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Jacob is worthy of the solid score of 1. Stealth is a poor mans Sand World as its basically the same effect more or less only Jacob cannot literally assimilate into surroundings to avoid attacks like SW does for Ajeel and SW has the addition of actually physically bothering the opponent.

As for transport, hardly a battle efficient technique when its AoE is comparatively tiny and the time it takes to activate is relatively long. Aside from that he literally has nothing else worth noting. His durability is low by spriggan standards and his physical strength is average. His speed is nothing special and he doesn't have any real hard hitting attacks nor any real defence for when Stealth is a non-factor (such as omnidirectional attacks). Sand Pit can literally solo him.
 
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Jacob should've been #11, apart from stealth his feats aren't that great when you consider Natsu was holding back a fair bit in the guild and one serious attack was enough to do him in. I would've put Ajeel in here at #10 and I think as like I said yesterday, he's simply better than Jacob imo in almost everything I consider for power rankings.
 

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Jacob earned his spot here. Has that cheat magic but the way he's been trolled he has to be near the bottom.

Nemi and Charging seem to be doing this right :hip
 
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At least Ajeel's score and Jacob's are not that far. Ajeel's is 4.54 and Jacob's is 4.92.

Don' forget that together with August and Serena, they soloed Bosco. With one move Fairy Heart cracked. He would have been able to behead Natsu/Lucy had he been serious. Stealth cant be detected by Dragon Slayer. He wasn't killed by Demolition Fist, unlike Ikusatsunagi.

But yeah, I agree with the majority here. I can't believe the result is like this

From now on, #9 - #3 will be interesting
 

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I agree with @SirSamuel016 that Ajeel should of been above Jacob. I gave them the same rating but I definitely think Ajeel has the edge. In hindsight I do believe that I underrated Ajeel somewhat here (he's closer to Wall in power than to Jacob).

Anyway, only thing Jacob has going for himself imo is transport. If transport actually works then it can be really effective. However in a one v one battle, transport would be useless unless the opponent decided to just stand there and gawk like the whole FT guild did against Jacob when he transported them. If Happy can stop transport then I can't see it as that effective in a full on frontal battle. Stealth isn't really impressive compared to other Sprigg magic. Anyone Sprigg level character with decent AoE and attack power (which is virtually all of them) can counter Stealth easily. That's why I placed Jacob so low.

Jacob is by no means a weak character, but compared to the rest of the Spriggs I can't place him anywhere above low tier.
 

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I agree with @BluePegasus. Jacob is underrated, he should be higher on this list. Imo he is stronger than Azir(though he should still be higher on this list too), his CQC skills are some of the best in the manga(even though his damage output isnt anything special) and Transport is the most hax after Dimaria.
I can think of several spriggans other than Neinhart and Azir who would lose to this guy
 

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Realistically speaking, every spriggan (aside from big 3) should be at most 2. Larcade a 4 and August and Irene a 10 because those two can damn near solo the rest of the group. Pegging characters even remotely close to August and Irene with scores like 8 doesn't really make sense.

I agree with @BluePegasus. Jacob is underrated, he should be higher on this list. Imo he is stronger than Azir(though he should still be higher on this list too), his CQC skills are some of the best in the manga(even though his damage output isnt anything special) and Transport is the most hax after Dimaria.
CQC skill is good and all, but if your strength and speed aren't proportionally massive that will only get you so far. Transport is only hax if;

1. you stand in one spot and do nothing
2. you are in a building unaware that you are being attacked

Its slow to actually transport people and its aoe isnt anything special. It was a good (at least) five seconds that the guild was just standing and wondering wtf is going on, in a realistic battle you are either going to jump out of range or attack Jacob himself in that time.

I can think of several spriggans other than Neinhart and Azir who would lose to this guy
Who? (Not that I think either of those two would loose to him).

Don' forget that together with August and Serena, they soloed Bosco.
Nuff said.

From now on, #9 - #3 will be interesting
My predictions are -
#9 - Wahl
#8 - Bradman
#7 - Invel
#6 - Brandish
#5 - God Serena
#4 - DiMaria
#3 - Larcade

I heavily disagree with this predictions list, but Im betting its gonna happen (havent been accurate so far).
 
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Well Jacob has speed enough to transport Ajeel but without it he sill lose it.

Waiting to see between Dimaria and God Serena who gets the higher post.
 

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Please tell me how tf Ajeel and Jacob were so low -_-. Say all the crud you want but Jacob has the third strongest hax (not naming the top 2) and Ajeel was ground type doing big stuff in the sky. Seriously no love for these two. Ajeel put Erza down in one choke hold (the same Erza who took a beating from Irene, and got all her bones broken yet she's still ready to fudge up a meteor), and if Lucy wasn't there Jacob would've assassinated the entire guild including Natsu. Who could really fudge with a stealth and transport combo? Or a SW plus Sand Monster army combo? Feel GS is going to be high despite having the worst feats of the S12.

Honestly GS, Wall, or Larcade should be below them. Dude got tossed by Base Sting, Wall was oneshotted after his lightning nullification was bypass, and GS only feat is oneshotting fodder with zero feats, and getting oneshotted. These two are the most underrate S12 despite having some quality feats.
 

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CQC skill is good and all, but if your strength and speed aren't proportionally massive that will only get you so far. Transport is only hax if;

1. you stand in one spot and do nothing
2. you are in a building unaware that you are being attacked

Its slow to actually transport people and its aoe isnt anything special. It was a good (at least) five seconds that the guild was just standing and wondering wtf is going on, in a realistic battle you are either going to jump out of range or attack Jacob himself in that time.
Honestly even though Jacob's strength isnt anything exceptional, it's not as bad as a lot of people make him out to be. Lucy was able to tank Jacob's attacks because she is a tank, like every other good guy including Elfman & Lisanna(tanking Azir's attacks), Levy(tanked Bradman's), Base Sting(tanked Larcade's). When fighting multiple opponents its expected that the damage you deal is spread out among them, when it was just Lucy fighting Jacob she needed Natsu to save her 2 seconds into the fight.
So yeah, in short Jacob's damage isnt anything exceptional, but its not particularly bad among the spriggans either.

Both of the conditions you mentioned for Transports greatness are easily created by Stealth. Even if the opponent knows what Jacob's abilities are, which in a normal situation is incredibly unlikely, there really isnt much you can do about it unless you have the AoE AND the offensive power to oneshot him no matter where he is hiding, and the only spriggans i can see doing that are God Serena and Wahl(Sands of Death might oneshot too, but its even slower than Transport)

Who? (Not that I think either of those two would loose to him).
Bradman via Transport, Brandish via Transport, Invel just with CQC and Stealth alone, but Transport works too.
 

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Honestly even though Jacob's strength isnt anything exceptional, it's not as bad as a lot of people make him out to be. Lucy was able to tank Jacob's attacks because she is a tank, like every other good guy including Elfman & Lisanna(tanking Azir's attacks), Levy(tanked Bradman's), Base Sting(tanked Larcade's). When fighting multiple opponents its expected that the damage you deal is spread out among them, when it was just Lucy fighting Jacob she needed Natsu to save her 2 seconds into the fight.
Elfman and Lisanna are perfect counters to Ajeels sand attacks (in combination). Even still they are getting casually overwhelmed by him. Bradmans attacks are more abstract, so its hard to quantify them (aside from the helix explosion, which is shit). Larcades attacks are also completely abstract, they do not do direct damage, Sting did not tank them so much as simply being literally the perfect counter to them. Larcades magic has shown to be effective against characters at Gildarts and Laxus level (Human Irene as well, though at this point I peg her below those two w/o DF).

Jacob has the absolute worst offensive attacks of all the spriggan. Even Neinharts nukes/wind magic is easily stronger then anything Jacob has to offer offensively and I rate historia much more then I do stealth which is why I have Jacob as the absolute weakest spriggan.

Both of the conditions you mentioned for Transports greatness are easily created by Stealth. Even if the opponent knows what Jacob's abilities are, which in a normal situation is incredibly unlikely, there really isnt much you can do about it unless you have the AoE AND the offensive power to oneshot him no matter where he is hiding, and the only spriggans i can see doing that are God Serena and Wahl(Sands of Death could oneshot too imo, but its even slower than Transport)
Prevents him from being attacked while using Transport, sure, but it doesn't make the AoE any larger or any harder for the opponent to jump out of the big house level AoE. And no, Jacob can makes objects invisible, there is no proof that he can make magic invisible.

Invel just with CQC and Stealth alone.
No. Invel should have a couple of ways of detecting Jacob. The first one is by making the atmosphere cold he might be able to detect where Jacob where there is lack of cold (in comparison to everywhere else). Making it snow should and identifying via foot prints should also be a viable option. Not to mention, Jacob has no way to get through the armour.

What counter does Jacob have to Sand pit, Sand Tsunami or Sand World?
 

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Elfman and Lisanna are perfect counters to Ajeels sand attacks (in combination). Even still they are getting casually overwhelmed by him. Bradmans attacks are more abstract, so its hard to quantify them (aside from the helix explosion, which is shit). Larcades attacks are also completely abstract, they do not do direct damage, Sting did not tank them so much as simply being literally the perfect counter to them. Larcades magic has shown to be effective against characters at Gildarts and Laxus level (Human Irene as well, though at this point I peg her below those two w/o DF).

Jacob has the absolute worst offensive attacks of all the spriggan. Even Neinharts nukes/wind magic is easily stronger then anything Jacob has to offer offensively and I rate historia much more then I do stealth which is why I have Jacob as the absolute weakest spriggan.
I'd have to disagree on this one, Elfman is in base right now, and Lisanna has no counter to justify her current survival.
Bradmans attacks are abstract sure, but they were still tanked.
Sting tanked all Larcade's physical attacks, plus hunger. which he has no immunity to.
Jacob's offensive power is on par with Bradman & Azir's(aside from that choke he used on Erza), but Transport>Sand World/Third Seal.

Prevents him from being attacked while using Transport, sure, but it doesn't make the AoE any larger or any harder for the opponent to jump out of the big house level AoE. And no, Jacob can makes objects invisible, there is no proof that he can make magic invisible.
I agree on this point, and i never said Jacob can make his magic invisible.

No. Invel should have a couple of ways of detecting Jacob. The first one is by making the atmosphere cold he might be able to detect where Jacob where there is lack of cold (in comparison to everywhere else). Making it snow should and identifying via foot prints should also be a viable option. Not to mention, Jacob has no way to get through the armour.
Jacob makes everything about himself invisible right down to his smell and the sound of his footsteps, so i doubt that anything you mentioned would work. Especially something as obvious as snow prints which he could easily make invisible. As for the armor, shooting it with those zap attacks he's got should eventually wear it down, doesnt seem particularly tough, if that doesnt work then Transport
What counter does Jacob have to Sand pit, Sand Tsunami or Sand World?
Transport, Transport & Stealth.
 

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Please tell me how tf Ajeel and Jacob were so low -_-. Say all the crud you want but Jacob has the third strongest hax (not naming the top 2) and Ajeel was ground type doing big stuff in the sky. Seriously no love for these two. Ajeel put Erza down in one choke hold (the same Erza who took a beating from Irene, and got all her bones broken yet she's still ready to fudge up a meteor), and if Lucy wasn't there Jacob would've assassinated the entire guild including Natsu. Who could really fudge with a stealth and transport combo? Or a SW plus Sand Monster army combo? Feel GS is going to be high despite having the worst feats of the S12.

Honestly GS, Wall, or Larcade should be below them. Dude got tossed by Base Sting, Wall was oneshotted after his lightning nullification was bypass, and GS only feat is oneshotting fodder with zero feats, and getting oneshotted. These two are the most underrate S12 despite having some quality feats.
You can't blame Wahl for that.Machias race are naturally weak to lightning and without resistance even a comparatively weak lightning will destroy him.

And God Serena with only half of his DS Lacrimas was so dangerous that Sensei needed Acnologia to kill him like he did with END to defeat Dimaria.
 

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You can't blame Wahl for that.Machias race are naturally weak to lightning and without resistance even a comparatively weak lightning will destroy him.

And God Serena with only half of his DS Lacrimas was so dangerous that Sensei needed Acnologia to kill him like he did with END to defeat Dimaria.
Wahl is really underrated Wahl attack power is no joke Laxus was needed to defeat him, and lets be real here Red Lightining most likely can one-shot all the spriggans expect the big ones...

God Serena is overrated he defeated 3 featless characters and lets face it Goi and Jura is not High Tier Mages anymore...

Warrod is over 100 years old and not in his prime hes probably 50% weaker than his prime..
Wolfheim has Beast Transformation cool he can use his fists... Mirajane and Elfman is stronger
Hyperion has Vampyre magic this has a lot potential but even(Gmc mages can resist the pain and break free with High amount Willpower)
Jura was one of the strongest opponents but the Power-jump was so enourmous that Jura is currently average Mage level...

this is really sad
 
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