Discussion Alvarez Mages Power Rate - [FINISHED]

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Wall is a mid tier Spriggan.

Red Lightning is arguably Laxus's strongest attack bar Fairy Law and Wall was most likely vulnerable to it. its up to debate in that regard.

plus, his Historia took on Minerva and pushed her to extreme diff. Minerva is a solid mid to high tier mage in my books.
 

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Wahl is really underrated Wahl attack power is no joke Laxus was needed to defeat him, and lets be real here Red Lightining most likely can one-shot all the spriggans expect the big ones...

God Serena is overrated he defeated 3 featless characters and lets face it Goi and Jura is not High Tier Mages anymore...

Warrod is over 100 years old and not in his prime hes probably 50% weaker than his prime..
Wolfheim has Beast Transformation cool he can use his fists... Mirajane and Elfman is stronger
Hyperion has Vampyre magic this has a lot potential but even(Gmc mages can resist the pain and break free with High amount Willpower)
Jura was one of the strongest opponents but the Power-jump was so enourmous that Jura is currently average Mage level...

this is really sad
I agree with Wahl part.

But regarding God Serena i disagree.

No.1
GOI may have lost the race but still they strong.Together combined they may be equal to Ajeel a weak tier Spriggan and God Serena crushed them with just 4 DS Lacrimas without breaking a sweat.He didn't even use his other 4 DS Lacrimas.

No. 2

Gildarts believed God Serena to be on his level.If you believe Gildarts to be stronger than Laxus then God Serena is also stronger than Laxus-a mid tier Spriggan.

No. 3

Hyberion believed Base Serena to be on the level of most Spriggans.So naturally DS Serena>most of the Spriggans.


No. 4

If he was not strong and dangerous why would Sensei need Acnologia to eliminate him?His Historia was the strongest one and overwhelmed entire non serious Team Natsu and injured Gildarts in his heavily nerfed state.
 

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Let's be real: Top 3 will August, Irene, Larcade. Bottom (should of been) Jacob, Neinhart. Yeah Jacob is a master at CQC and Transport is the most hax spatial magic we've seen in the series (Territory would come right after to me) but there's just no way you can convince me Jacob is an OVERALL more powerful mage than Ajeel. Having a hax doesn't make you like a god or something. Shit, in a way Marin's Rules of the Area was hax like crazy if we go by that logic. It basically covered all of Magnolia so its range is wide. Anyone who uses spatial magic around him gets it canceled and then gets sent to an alternate dimension. But Marin is a fucking scrub. He beat up Natsu and Gray moreso he caught them off guard with his teleportation magic than actually being a viable strong character.
 

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As long as Dimaria is not top 3 I'm fine. Though I'm surpised Jacob got a 8.5, I have him a generous 7.
But she is 3...I literally don't see how Larcade or anyone else can counter Age Seal.
 

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But she is 3...I literally don't see how Larcade or anyone else can counter Age Seal.
Using that logic she beats Acno. It was made apparent who was at the top of the Spriggan food chain and Dimaria isn't in that top 3 spot.
 

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Using that logic she beats Acno. It was made apparent who was at the top of the Spriggan food chain and Dimaria isn't in that top 3 spot.
That's not how it works at all bro. Imo, those who are more powerful than Chronos/ the gods are able to resist or are immune to Age Seal. And characters like Acnologia, August, Irene and Zeref can easily do it as they're more powerful than Partial END.
 

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That's not how it works at all bro. Imo, those who are more powerful than Chronos/ the gods are able to resist or are immune to Age Seal. And characters like Acnologia, August, Irene and Zeref can easily do it as they're more powerful than Partial END.
Larcade too probably has immense M.P.Maybe he can resist it too.

He has been singled out along with August and Irene by Sensei.
 

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Soooo, the run of #12 to #10 was pretty predictable (except Jacob ending higher than Ajeel kii), wasn't it? I can guarantee you guys that some of the upcoming eliminations are shocking, so stay tuned. #9 tonight, who will it be?
 

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That's not how it works at all bro. Imo, those who are more powerful than Chronos/ the gods are able to resist or are immune to Age Seal. And characters like Acnologia, August, Irene and Zeref can easily do it as they're more powerful than Partial END.
Time stop doesn't work like that and even if it did all that means is Lacarde is stronger than Chronos. So either way your point is moot.
 

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I think Brandish will be 9. Personally i think she's underrated but it's hard to place her very high due to her lack of feats.
If she's not 9 then it is Invel.
 

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So funny because all of those guys can be strong (hax hax hax) but they act dumb. The reason Jacob is so low is because he is dumb. You can make a case "his magic does this, his magi does that" but in that mashima world where the girls like to fight almost naked, he has no chance
 

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I'd have to disagree on this one, Elfman is in base right now, and Lisanna has no counter to justify her current survival.
Elfman wasn't in his base nor was Lisanna when the fight started, you saw a mere glimpse of what was happening, you have no way of knowing for how long and whether they continue to fight in base, its highly unlikely.

Bradmans attacks are abstract sure, but they were still tanked.
Mards curse was not tanked. His second gate was also doing some good damage to Gajeel.

Sting tanked all Larcade's physical attacks, plus hunger. which he has no immunity to.
Can you show me Sting tanking physical attacks please? He did not tank hunger, in fact he was very much affected, to the point that he was beating the shit out of Lector (his favourite thing in the whole world). The hunger was subsided when Rogue (outside source) "fed" him his power.

Jacob's offensive power is on par with Bradman & Azir's(aside from that choke he used on Erza), but Transport>Sand World/Third Seal.
No its not. Offensively Jacobs strongest stuff are his punches, which aren't Wahl level or anything, just fairly average punches. I'd argue that Bradman actually has more physical strength himself (he was casually stopping Gajeels punches in base) and Ajeel around the same level as Jacob with punches (if we don't factor in dehydration on contact, at which point it becomes less about physical strength). Sand World >>> Transport > Third Seal. TS, based on feats, isn't Bradmans strongest technique though.

Jacob makes everything about himself invisible right down to his smell and the sound of his footsteps, so i doubt that anything you mentioned would work. Especially something as obvious as snow prints which he could easily make invisible. As for the armor, shooting it with those zap attacks he's got should eventually wear it down, doesnt seem particularly tough, if that doesnt work then Transport
He makes his body invisible, but he doesn't cease to exist. Its not like Obito where he goes to some other dimension (proved when Loke revealed him with light), he literally just masks his body, but his presence in reality is still there (i.e. his body is still occupying space in the real world). He cannot make footprints invisible. I agree that the armour is not particularly tough, but those zap things have no feats either beyond injuring a loli ghost.

Transport, Transport & Stealth.
Transport what, land? He couldn't transport the literal guild or the objects (i.e. tables, chairs) so I we don't know if he can go beyond people. Sand Tsunami is WAY too big to transport. Ajeel feels via sand as he explained in his introduction, he will know when there is a human shaped space devoid of sand. Jacob has maximum camouflage, he doesn't literally cease to exist.
 

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I vote Wahl to be next.
 

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Until I see August, Irene or anyone stronger than partial END pass through Age Seal with my own eyes I can't buy that theory that people stronger than Dimaria can pass through. Command T not working on an enhanced Neinhart has more credibility towards people with more and/or different magic power levels compared to Brandish's than Age Seal does for Dimaria.
 

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My bet is on Invel going next.

If not him, I could see Brandish going next though, she's pretty tough to place given she has no real all-out feats...
 

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I'd probably say Brandish is going next or maybe Invel
Elfman wasn't in his base nor was Lisanna when the fight started, you saw a mere glimpse of what was happening, you have no way of knowing for how long and whether they continue to fight in base, its highly unlikely.



Mards curse was not tanked. His second gate was also doing some good damage to Gajeel.
Fair enough, on these points. However none of them disproves the fact that good guys, even foddery ones are tanks. Lisanna, with absolutely no counter to Azir, was still able to fight Azir for an extended period of time, the same for Levy. Both are leagues below Lucy's level, to the point where she could probably solo both of them. Jacob not instantly killing her doesnt prove he's weak.
Can you show me Sting tanking physical attacks please? He did not tank hunger, in fact he was very much affected, to the point that he was beating the shit out of Lector (his favourite thing in the whole world). The hunger was subsided when Rogue (outside source) "fed" him his power.


No its not. Offensively Jacobs strongest stuff are his punches, which aren't Wahl level or anything, just fairly average punches. I'd argue that Bradman actually has more physical strength himself (he was casually stopping Gajeels punches in base) and Ajeel around the same level as Jacob with punches (if we don't factor in dehydration on contact, at which point it becomes less about physical strength). Sand World >>> Transport > Third Seal. TS, based on feats, isn't Bradmans strongest technique though.
Bradman stopped one punch, a feat that Jacob accomplished against Natsu 2 seconds into their battle. Jacob was overpowering Natsu at almost every turn, a character who even without his fire has top tier physical strength.
Sand World can barely be considered hax, its just a crappier version of Stealth. Transport is a one-hit kill, its in a totally different class that would rival even Age Seal if it was faster.
Third Seal based on Bradman's own word is his strongest technique.
He makes his body invisible, but he doesn't cease to exist. Its not like Obito where he goes to some other dimension (proved when Loke revealed him with light), he literally just masks his body, but his presence in reality is still there (i.e. his body is still occupying space in the real world). He cannot make footprints invisible. I agree that the armour is not particularly tough, but those zap things have no feats either beyond injuring a loli ghost.
The sound he creates by walking isnt part of his body either. His magic is complete camouflage, Invel isnt gonna be able to see through it unless he has an actual counter to undo it like Lucy did.
And Invel's armor has no feats other than getting shattered by Gray.
Transport what, land? He couldn't transport the literal guild or the objects (i.e. tables, chairs) so I we don't know if he can go beyond people. Sand Tsunami is WAY too big to transport. Ajeel feels via sand as he explained in his introduction, he will know when there is a human shaped space devoid of sand. Jacob has maximum camouflage, he doesn't literally cease to exist.
Transport Azir, if Azir's dead i assume his attacks will cease(Sand World did).
Azir's is told things by Sand, we have no idea what the process is, how much sand it takes, how long it takes or how accurate it is. For all we know by the time Azir senses where Jacob is, he'd already be somewhere else entirely.
 

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No, no, NO! I completely disagree here. I know that Jacob is like the most trolled Spriggan out of the whole bunch, but his feats are outright insane. Just imagine everything he could cause by using Stealth; him as an opponent could be your worst nightmare. And the fact that Stealth is not the only thing he has in his possession, but also Transport, makes him worthy of the score I handed out. And I'm disgusted at the fact that no one else gave him this high!

Anyway, before his disappointing defeat he actually had some amazing hype. Remember when he dared to challenge Acnologia? This man has some nerve, and I actually wonder what would've happen if he did. Assassination is his specialty, and that makes him one of Zeref's precious. Let's be real, he was the perfect mage to steal Fairy Heart, but unfortunately.. Well, you know. Our beloved creator made him the dumbest Spriggan; which ended up playing a huge factor in his fight against Natsu and Lucy. The truth is, Jacob's low intelligence worked as a plot armour for these two. Just like with his current fight against Mirajane, he has always been held back in using Transport due to some lame excuses. Let's be honest, if we exclude all the huge amount of character induced stupidity this man received, Jacob could honestly conquer whole Ishgar's side by spamming Transport while being under the effects of Stealth himself. Do you guys really think this man deserves such a low average? What a mess. Jacob is the most underrated Spriggan, if you ask me.​

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It's alright BP. At least Jacob made it past Ajeel.

Honestly, these last few rounds weren't a big deal for me either. I already expected Neinhart to be #12. And if it were my choice, I would rather have Jacob at #11 and Ajeel at #10, but I guess the results proved me wrong since they were switched.

Not that it really matters because I knew both of them would be out in the beginning anyways. Not gonna lie, but for a person who is the definition of Blue Pegasus, I'm surprised that he would accept Virgin Eyes to be #10..

Regardless, I have a general guess on who's gonna be out next, but we'll see if my vote does justice or not.

Still think the results were rigged. :hmph
 
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