Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2017] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[savethecat]

What will succeed and what won't is so unclear this round. U19 is though only one I think is a definite axe

 

[TyVip]

meh, this is getting old. Just wait 2 more weeks to give out your opinion on all 6. Beside, not like our opinions matter anyway unless you vote in the reader survey. Japanese 12 years old decide what will survive and what now.

 

[TM2]

In the last 2 years they lost a lot of veteran series? Isn't enough?

I'm trying to get some understanding how well the magazine is selling now that some of its "heavy hitters" have left.

 

[TyVip]

I'm trying to get some understanding how well the magazine is selling now that some of its "heavy hitters" have left.

In 2010~2011, the magazine circulation went back up thanks to Oda, not Golden Age level but it went back up.
When Naruto ended, there was a drop.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/new...ine-circulation-drops-below-1-million/.108408

not what you ask for but it contains circulation from 2014-2016. There is a chart for all 3 biggest magazines.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

Does anyone have the numbers for Jump's total magazine sales for 2005 and on? I'm just curious if there is a financial urgency or incentives to bring back this many veterans at once.

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meh, this is getting old. Just wait 2 more weeks to give out your opinion on all 6. Beside, not like our opinions matter anyway unless you vote in the reader survey. Japanese 12 years old decide what will survive and what now.

why the arbitrary 12 number?

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Is it popular with 12 year olds though?
The only mangaka who managed to make a popular golf manga in Jump was Nakaba Suzuki.
Fujimaki is no Nakaba.

Not true though, Weekly Shonen Jump also has "Hole in One" golf series that was pretty popular in its time. Made by Kagame Jouji in 1978 and got many special printings throughout the years: 1978(1st, Tankobon with 13 volumes), 1990(8 volumes, Kanzenban?),2002(8 volumes, Kanzenban?), 2005(8 volumes, Kanzenban?), 2007(2 volumes, Kanzenban?).

Still people are overestimating the popularity of Golf in Japan. There is also a Mahjong magazine, that doesn't means Mahjong is a popular sport, one more popular than Basketball. It just means it is enough niche that it can work as a demographic A.K.A a magazine targeted to people that like that particular subject.

Also Volleyball is rather popular in Japan, what is(was?) more niche is Male Volleyball.

 

[Silverblade]

Hopefully, by now Tamura has realised that his action is laughably weak, and that his comedy is seriously strong, learned how to properly balance them together and will not repeat the mistakes that brought Beelzebub to its unremarkable end.

 

[TyVip]

why the arbitrary 12 number?

12 is divided by 3, also the number of Olympian Gods/Goddesses, 12 zodiacs, 12 months in a year, 12 Labour of Hercules, 12 inches in a foot, 12 face cards in a deck. Not so arbitrary to me .


~10-14 years old Boys then xD, or whatever the demographic that are buying Jump at the moment.

 

[Halloween]

I think BC's max will sell per volume is like mid 300k's. It'll be less than World Trigger IMO.

Who knows. Pierrot could do crossovers with Boruto/BC.

Wanna bet? I could see it easily selling twice that.

 

[xAsum0x]

Wanna bet? I could see it easily selling twice that.

You can easily see it selling 600k+?

 

[Leoat12]

Can you guys please tell me what quantum machine you use to predict all these numbers out of nowhere? I want to get one.

 

[vampire killer]

Use your brain bra. It's good for ya. BC will sell at least 900k. This is the minimum.

 

[TM2]

Twin Star Exorcist and Black Clover are in similar boat when it comes to production. However unless Studio Pierrot actually pulls off a miracle and make BC's source material worth watching, Twin Star's lackluster effect on manga sales will probably happen to BC as well. Honestly all this speculation is pretty much just yelling at a brick wall at this point because we don't have enough information to go on to make (educated) judgements or guesses whether or not the anime will be successful. Hell we don't even know who is going to work on this thing besides the studio.

 

[jagman1x3]

Can you guys please tell me what quantum machine you use to predict all these numbers out of nowhere? I want to get one.

I'm surprised no one's tried to monetize this thread, a true random number generator would be worth tons.

 

[G_I_A]

I'll give to the new fellas here an advice... Do no try to bet with those old dogs... You'll lose.

And I'm soooo not entering this BC sells bet...

 

[tirakai]

The Twin Star Exorcist anime's problem was that it focused on the wrong things from the very start, skipping and rearranging stuff constantly to the point where it felt like it was deliberately avoiding all the things the manga done well and portrayed it as a different type of series altogether. As long as Pierrot actually adapts Black Clover's manga it shouldn't do quite as badly.

 

[Tamil]

Crossovers don't increase a series. At least there is a lack of an example where that happened.

Black Clover is doing pre-anime better than World Trigger. You don't believe it will do more after the anime starts?

Toriko? You believe sales would've remained more or less the same had it aired in a different timeslot and wasnt affiliated at all with the dream 9 or any crossovers?

I don't think it'll beat World Trigger but tbf I haven't kept up with BC's sales in a while.

 

[ChocoBar9]

The Twin Star Exorcist anime's problem was that it focused on the wrong things from the very start, skipping and rearranging stuff constantly to the point where it felt like it was deliberately avoiding all the things the manga done well and portrayed it as a different type of series altogether. As long as Pierrot actually adapts Black Clover's manga it shouldn't do quite as badly.

So you want to put people off it from the start?

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You can easily see it selling 600k+?

I know right? The manga can barely sell 200k despite the amount of shilling Jump has put towards it. If any case I agree that we shouldn't count our chickens before their catch, we'll see how audiences take to it.

 

[WyldViolet]

So you want to put people off it from the start?

This.
Prior to the castle invasion I'd say the series was pretty damn unreadable.
Hoping for some non Tabata written filler to ease how abhorrent the first few arcs are.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

Toriko? You believe sales would've remained more or less the same had it aired in a different timeslot and wasnt affiliated at all with the dream 9 or any crossovers?

I don't think it'll beat World Trigger but tbf I haven't kept up with BC's sales in a while.

Toriko had a pretty standard good boost of an adaptation from a Shounen. A ton of Toei animation series all over the years got such boosts and most of them did air in different timeslot not directly related with another big series. For an example you have Gash Bell.

Strange you're using Toriko as an example of a series that got significant boost of popularity due to crossovers, when is almost always talked as an example of a flop doing that.
Still nobody gives an example of a series that did such a crossover and got big boosts. The comparison is always of the most stupid kind where a series of smaller size appearing together with a series of way bigger size means that series has to have, and is expected to have, such a boost that will throw it to almost the size of the bigger one.
That reasoning is so good that we see the ubiquitous proliferation of such economic tactic, ..., not!

Well, given the fact that World Trigger was given minor priority and was shown in 6:30 a.m it had a huge boost of 2 to 3 times its past size, in terms of manga sales. It was in fact a surprise for Toei Animation, they were expecting for it to be an obscure series. Even though the anime series ended in April 2016, the popularity of it made Toei Animation go for a promotion and collaboration with two big merchandise retailers 6 month later(October 2016).

Still all of those things that happened with World Trigger can mean nothing in comparison to Black Clover if the series gets high priority and gets successful. We know that Black Clover has high ratings in Jump and that its volumes sell well(more or around the same as Toriko was doing during the same time) and is anime is part of a big Studio(though World Trigger was in the hands of a bigger one :P), so is very likely that it will get a pretty big support.

I believe that at least double what sells right now is an easily achievable objective, and that means doing better than World Trigger.

 

[SkerllyFC]

This.
Prior to the castle invasion I'd say the series was pretty damn unreadable.
Hoping for some non Tabata written filler to ease how abhorrent the first few arcs are.

Finally one that shares my opinion. It´s all wasted potential, maybe Pierrot has better stories than Yuki Tabata ever had. Or It could´ve gone REALLY WORSE. It could´ve been THE NEXT SAO. That´s a nightmare I don´t wanna see realized.