Team Gray & Erza vs Natsu & Mirajane

[LaGOAT]

I doubt that the book is affecting Natsu in any way, at least not yet. Natsu wasn't really angered, and the way he said "I'm fired up" most likely means he just got serious. Which is why he most likely activated DF. I mean, both Natsu and Zeref weren't surprised that he achieved it. Zeref looks intrigued, but he doesn't seem surprised at Natsu's power up. So I think it's pretty obvious that Natsu can achieve it at will. I mean, if he managed to do it in Tartaros(granted, it was triggered by emotions back then), I see no problem in him learning to acheive it over the 1 year timeskip. I mean Wendy did it, so why can't Natsu?

Ok I give it the the benefit that can achieve on his own but I doubt it's stronger than BDKM

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Why would the book give Natsu a power-up? Natsu's not using any demon power from the looks of it. Even if the book does give Natsu a power-up, what makes it temporary? Just keep it open.

Cause he can't achieve it on his own?

 

[Axiomus]

Cause he can't achieve it on his own?

Sure he can. He can ask Lucy for his book, and then open it. Find a place in his house, and just leave it there. It's like the easiest restriction to get around. This is assuming the book is even giving him a power-up.

 

[LaGOAT]

Sure he can. He can ask Lucy for his book, and then open it. Find a place in his house, and just leave it there. It's like the easiest restriction to get around. This is assuming the book is even giving him a power-up.

Which bring it back to my point he need something to trigger it he cant achieve on his own man we are going in circles with this nonsense

 

[Axiomus]

Which bring it back to my point he need something to trigger it he can achieve in his own man we are going in circles with this nonsense

Again, this is assuming the book even gives him a power-up. There's no indication that Natsu is using any demon powers, so I'm highly skeptical that there was some hidden END power in that book. Zeref didn't just kill one of his friends or anything either.

 

[LaGOAT]

Again, this is assuming the book even gives him a power-up. There's no indication that Natsu is using any demon powers, so I'm highly skeptical that there was some hidden END power in that book. Zeref didn't just kill his nakama or anything either.

We shall see next chapter I'm not convincethe moment Lucy open the book is the same time natsu enter DF? Plus happy remember when mavis said that they could help natsu and his friend needed them the most?(can't remember the exact lines)

 

[Axiomus]

We shall see next chapter I'm not convincethe moment Lucy open the book is the same time natsu enter DF? Plus happy remember when mavis said that they could help natsu and his friend needed them the most?(can't remember the exact lines)

I'm chalking it up to coincidence. I'm sticking to my theory that the book contains all the spells that is keeping Natsu alive. I don't think the book has anything to do with his demon powers to be honest. Natsu seems to be still in control. He referred to Mavis as the first master, and he's said his signature "I'm all fired up" like normal. Also, Mavis said Natsu's fate was in their hands. Then she said that after Natsu beats Zeref, and Mavis deals with him, they will have to find a way to save him.

But I suppose you're right in that we only need to wait until the next 2 chapters to find out.

 

[Seven777]

I'd say that the Book of END will result in a power up soon, within the next 3 chapters, but i doubt its why Natsu entered Dragon Force. Natsu shouldnt need anything to enter Dragon Force, if Wendy has mastered it, it would be strange for Natsu not to have too. Imo all first/third gen DS now have the ability to freely enter Dragon Force, they just dont spam it like Wendy cause they're still decent in a fight without it.

 

[CaptainTorch]

I'd say that the Book of END will result in a power up soon, within the next 3 chapters, but i doubt its why Natsu entered Dragon Force. Natsu shouldnt need anything to enter Dragon Force, if Wendy has mastered it, it would be strange for Natsu not to have too. Imo all first/third gen DS now have the ability to freely enter Dragon Force, they just dont spam it like Wendy cause they're still decent in a fight without it.

I doubt Gajeel can enter DF freely though... Other than that, you are right.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Natsu is fighting on par with Zeref
Zeref > Grey/Erza

Add mirajane and Natsu/Mira take this easily

 

[LaGOAT]

Team natsu wins DF natsu no diff them

 

[Axiomus]

Spoiler: Taking into account the events of 522 and 533

The latest chapter swings this match to Natsu and Mirajane's favour. As I suspected dragon force with FDK spells, and demolition fist was shown blowing apart Zeref's body. I'm sure most people who aren't immortal wouldn't have survived that. I would even argue it might have been enough to take out Zeref, at least to the point of rendering him unconscious, if it had been used against Zeref without Fairy Heart. It was really Zeref's space-time warping that reversed the damage, and that was done with Fairy Heart's power.

 

[Arjuna]

Spoiler

Seeing how DF Natsu blew up Zeref,even though he regenerated,Natsu along with Mira wins.

 

[**Silver**]

still people doesent accept the fact that Natsi is the strongest character only below Acnologia....

immortality makes Zeref strong or durable...

Natsu soles High-difficulty

 

[Nemispelled]

Spoiler: Chapter 532 & 533 Spoilers

Well, Natsu was ready to collapse after that Demolition Fist. If it were a 1v1, I may consider giving the battle to Natsu. But once he uses Demolition Fist in DF, his magic power is completely drained.

He could barely even stand at that point. Let's say Natsu used that attack on Gray and defeated him, Erza would be able to knock out Natsu with a single hit.

That means it would still ultimately come down to Erza vs. Mirajane. Which would still be a tie for me.

Unless Natsu can hit both Erza and Gray at the same time, I highly doubt his team will win this battle. And Erza and Gray must be pretty 'unintelligent" if they fought that close in proximity.

 

[Arjuna]

Spoiler: Chapter 532 & 533 Spoilers

Well, Natsu was ready to collapse after that Demolition Fist. If it were a 1v1, I may consider giving the battle to Natsu. But once he uses Demolition Fist in DF, his magic power is completely drained.

He could barely even stand at that point. Let's say Natsu used that attack on Gray and defeated him, Erza would be able to knock out Natsu with a single hit.

That means it would still ultimately come down to Erza vs. Mirajane. Which would still be a tie for me.

Unless Natsu can hit both Erza and Gray at the same time, I highly doubt his team will win this battle. And Erza and Gray must be pretty 'unintelligent" if they fought that close in proximity.

Spoiler

Nemi what if Natsu uses Dragon's roar instead of Demolition Fist?

Dragon's roar in Base state alone has shown enough AOE to effect 927 soldiers.So in DF it should be even larger.And i doubt even if Gray and Erza keeps a certain distance it will be as large an area needed by 927 soldiers to stand.

 

[Nemispelled]

Spoiler

Nemi what if Natsu uses Dragon's roar instead of Demolition Fist?

Dragon's roar in Base state alone has shown enough AOE to effect 927 soldiers.So in DF it should be even larger.And i doubt even if Gray and Erza keeps a certain distance it will be as large an area needed by 927 soldiers to stand.

Spoiler

Well, Natsu hasn't exactly shown Dragon's roar while in DF. We have no confirmation about its damage output and AoE capacity.

I would argue that Demolition Fist is a lot stronger than a simple roar. Even with Gray, his Destruction Fist was multiple times stronger that his Ice Devil's Rage.

Even so, Natsu should only be able to take out one combatant with the feats he's shown in the recent chapter. Whether that is Gray or Erza, one of them should still be left standing afterwards. And since Natsu will be exhausted due to fatigue, then the remaining person left should be able to defeat Natsu fairly quickly.

Natsu could barely defend himself after exhausting his magical power. So Erza should be able to take him down with a single hit after he incinerates Gray.

Regardless, I still see the match being a tie. It would have been favored towards Natsu and Mirajane if Natsu could keep up after DF Demolition Fist. But that wasn't the case with the recent chapter.

 

[Arjuna]

Spoiler

Well, Natsu hasn't exactly shown Dragon's roar while in DF. We have no confirmation about its damage output and AoE capacity.

I would argue that Demolition Fist is a lot stronger than a simple roar. Even with Gray, his Destruction Fist was multiple times stronger that his Ice Devil's Rage.

Even so, Natsu should only be able to take out one combatant with the feats he's shown in the recent chapter. Whether that is Gray or Erza, one of them should still be left standing afterwards. And since Natsu will be exhausted due to fatigue, then the remaining person left should be able to defeat Natsu fairly quickly.

Natsu could barely defend himself after exhausting his magical power. So Erza should be able to take him down with a single hit after he incinerates Gray.

Regardless, I still see the match being a tie. It would have been favored towards Natsu and Mirajane if Natsu could keep up after DF Demolition Fist. But that wasn't the case with the recent chapter.

Spoiler

If he can use Roar in Base why he can't use it DF?Even if the worst case scenario His AOE will be as large as in Base state.

And if i am not mistaken he already shown Dragon's roar in DF also(I am not sure in this part).


Dragon Slayer's Roar is stronger than his simple fist.Sure this chapter he concentrated all his M.P. in a single Demolition Fist so why he can't he do the same in a Roar.

 

[Nemispelled]

Spoiler

If he can use Roar in Base why he can't use it DF?Even if the worst case scenario His AOE will be as large as in Base state.

And if i am not mistaken he already shown Dragon's roar in DF also(I am not sure in this part).


Dragon Slayer's Roar is stronger than his simple fist.Sure this chapter he concentrated all his M.P. in a single Demolition Fist so why he can't he do the same in a Roar.

Spoiler

He can use roar in DF. But we don't know if it would have the same effect as Demolition Fist. The AoE is probably larger, but since the damage is not concentrated on a single target, it'd be impossible to tell whether the power is equivalent to Demolition Fist.

He might've shown Dragon's roar in DF before, but not in the current arc. This is his first time going DF since Tartaros, that's why it's critical for us to have explicit proof that Roar = Demolition Fist.

And even so, I doubt Gray and Erza would be fighting a few feet apart from each other. Against somebody like Natsu who is known for his AoE, that wouldn't be the smartest idea.

 

[Arjuna]

Spoiler

He can use roar in DF. But we don't know if it would have the same effect as Demolition Fist. The AoE is probably larger, but since the damage is not concentrated on a single target, it'd be impossible to tell whether the power is equivalent to Demolition Fist.

He might've shown Dragon's roar in DF before, but not in the current arc. This is his first time going DF since Tartaros, that's why it's critical for us to have explicit proof that Roar = Demolition Fist.

And even so, I doubt Gray and Erza would be fighting a few feet apart from each other. Against somebody like Natsu who is known for his AoE, that wouldn't be the smartest idea.

Spoiler

And his AOE is not small either.
He blew up an area occupied by 927 soldiers.It's a huge area, probably as large as an island.

 

[Nemispelled]

Spoiler

And his AOE is not small either.
He blew up an area occupied by 927 soldiers.It's a huge area, probably as large as an island.

Spoiler

The AoE is large. But we don't know if it will deal the same amount of damage as Demolition Fist. Natsu concentrated all of his power on Zeref in the recent chapter.

With the roar on the 927 soldiers, Natsu had to spread the damage out across a huge radius. That naturally makes it less effective on a single target.