Irene is probably the weakest Dragon even below Zirconis... Motherglare and the other Dragons attack Power----->Erza enchanted Sword Slash...
Who cares if Eileen's the weakest dragon or not, she is still one of the top two spriggans, which puts her a cut above Larcade. Besides, not like Kagura has done anything to any dragons either.Irene is probably the weakest Dragon even below Zirconis... Motherglare and the other Dragons attack Power----->Erza enchanted Sword Slash...
Erza barely defeated Ajeel....
Ummm... First of all, Zeref mentioned that Igneel couldn't kill END. As we later found out, it was because he loved Natsu. So there is no proof that Igneel > END. Even if they did mention that, it would mean that Kid Natsu with an END transformation is weaker than Igneel... Which is obvious.Yo I just realize something I reread the fight between natsu and zeref first round. Zeref isn't on par with BDKM natsu he is on par with IgNatsu base mode BDKM natsu>zeref=ig base mode natsu. Now zeref mention that igneel>END. Now prime ingeel is around ancologia lvl. So It's ancologia>ingeel>=FH zeref>BDKM natsu>zeref>=ig base mode natsu>=DF natsu>END if end is revived and somehow beats anco and FH zeref then hiro is fucking up the power lvls once again but knowing him he could do that so.....
Like my boy @Axiomus said natsu said he would gotten no diff by ingeel so currently END is on par with darkness des gray and was causal stop by erza. DF natsu could have possibly erase zeref (it's speculation zeref said DF natsu isn't enough to beat him) why would u think END be would strong enough to beat FH Zeref??? ohh I almost forgot hiro is author of this manga..
Ok, I think you misinterpreted what I said. I agreed that Igneel would crush END no problem - because END was Kid Natsu (by END I mean his etherious form). So yea, it is obvious that Kid Natsu would get crushed no matter what transformation he pulls out.
Natsu said that if he were END, then Igneel coulda crushed him with one toe. Zeref said that that was true, and that there was no physical reason why Igneel couldn't kill END. This tells us that Igneel was probably a lot stronger than END. This makes sense because 400 years ago, END would have been a kid Natsu. Even if he were demonized, he would be a lot weaker than he was during this arc. This makes END that we saw during the Tartarus arc the strongest version of END that existed historically, and this version of END can't even do any significant damage to Gray or Erza.
As for DF Natsu > END, this just boils down to feats. END had less impressive attacks than FDK Natsu, whereas Dragon Force stacks with FDK and had way more impressive attacks. None of the attacks END used against Gray would have been able to erase Zeref's body like dragon force's demolition fist did. It's highly unlikely Erza can stop demolition fist bare handed like she did with that final punch that between Natsu and Gray.
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Again, that wasn't his full transformation. It was a partial transformation. If he would fully transform, he might be up there with the strongest characters in the manga.
No I'm sorry I find that hard to beleve. If that END was that powerful zeref have use the book to let natsu transform to END and finish him off. FH zeref is said to have infinite magic and have the power to rewind time and space. END logically speaking shouldn't even be close to his lvl the only exception like u said is demon dragon fusion then that wouldn't be as bad. I don't why people believe that was partial END it's all speculation by the fans until I see it then I'll believe it until then END is on par with darkness des gray. Ingeel>END
I more or less agree with you.Zeref himself said in chapter 532 that END cannot kill him.
While I agree that even if Natsu transforms to END, he won't be on the level of either Acnologia or Zeref with Fairy Heart. He won't be above Igneel too. However I do think he'll be above IgNatsu(BDKM). I'm not saying it as a fact - just speculation.
erza casual stop and gray going toe to toe. FT PL are BS so...
Both of them were on the verge of exhaustion though(and as it is Erza didn't emerge unharmed.Her hands were burnt and cracked).
Doesn't matter if erza wasn't there they wouldn't have stop the fact that erza was able to stop them easily mean that END was overhyped hey man we've seen characters that were overhyped in FT no big deal it's hiro fault for doing so.
You do realize that the END stuff is not over yet, right? I mean:
lol u believe that a power of a dragon is weaker than a power from zerefs book like I said until I see it then I'll believe and even then it's bs poor writing and inconsistent PL once again
The Power of a true dragon is gonna be obviously stronger. However DF is not yet complete. I do believe a complete DF Transformation is going to be stronger than END (even though we might get the fusion). And no matter how strong END is, I doubt he's gonna be above FH Zeref or Acnologia.
But that's the problem DF is final form of ds slayer magic. Natsu doesn't need to look exactly like a dragon for it to be a full transformation. DF natsu is the full transformation so end just having demon hands might be his full transformation until proven otherwise
DF may be the final form of DS Magic but that doesn't mean there's no room for improvement. Obviously current DF Natsu is stronger than ToH DF Natsu, right? And he's dragonized more currently as well.
Human Acnologia one-shot Partial/End