August throws Heat Pillar (Neinhart.Dimaria.Minerva.Midningt. is one-shotted) Gildarts Gray and Bradman barely survives but August summons another killer move the End...
I still don't know how Age Seal work, if it work for all mages except demon (because Age seal is from god power) then i'll choose Dimaria, Bloodman, and August. but if Age Seal only work for wizard with lower MP than Dimaria (same as Brandish power work), then i'll choose August, Gildarts, Dmaria, and Gray.
Hmm... Age seal is really troublesome magic....
Wait, i dont understand what some of you guys are saying. About Dimaria's Age Seal.
August and Gildarts would be able to resist Age Seal, not counter it. What i mean is, Gildarts would walk out of it just like END could, doesn't mean he would cancel it like Ultear. He would be unaffected but the rest of the fighters would still be affected.
The same goes with August. He's the only one countering Age Seal with his magic. Against CS he didnt cancel Cobra's ability to hear his thoughts, or cancel Racer's speed. He just copied their magic so that he could also hear thoughts and be faster than Racer. Against Dimaria he would not cancel Age Seal, he would just walk inside of it just like Dimaria.
So i dont get why people think Gildarts or August would make Age Seal useless against everyone else. That is false.
I agree with you about Gildarts, but my assumption with August is that when DiMaria activates Age Seal, August will just copy it. And because August is so far above everyone here, August's Age Seal should freeze DiMaria herself. Either that or when she activates Age Seal it freezes everyone bar August (and maybe Gildarts), leaving her fighting two opponents superior to her.
I agree with you about Gildarts, but my assumption with August is that when DiMaria activates Age Seal, August will just copy it. And because August is so far above everyone here, August's Age Seal should freeze DiMaria herself. Either that or when she activates Age Seal it freezes everyone bar August (and maybe Gildarts), leaving her fighting two opponents superior to her.
This is my take on it, but I somehow think that Dimaria would know how to counter her own age seal. I mean as a sole time manipulating mage she should know the nuances to her own spells.
Then again, she seemed at a loss when Ultear and END did counter her age seal. All in all, I somehow feel that she comprehends the mechanics behind her age seal wbich will allow her to not be victimized by her own spell. However, she has no means of countering someone that has overcome age seal as she is evidently(as in both END and Ultear situations) unaware of how someone could perform such a feat.
This is my take on it, but I somehow think that Dimaria would know how to counter her own age seal. I mean as a sole time manipulating mage she should know the nuances to her own spells.
Then again, she seemed at a loss when Ultear and END did counter her age seal. All in all, I somehow feel that she comprehends the mechanics behind her age seal wbich will allow her to not be victimized by her own spell. However, she has no means of countering someone that has overcome age seal as she is evidently(as in both END and Ultear situations) unaware of how someone could perform such a feat.
The problem for her is that August's magic lets him perform copied magic better than the original user though, and it seemingly gives him all of the knowledge about said magic, so he should know the nuances of Age Seal at least as well as DiMaria. And tbh it could be worse for her if he just doesn't copy it because that will leave her to face either August or Gildarts, with the former stomping her and the latter beating her.
The problem for her is that August's magic lets him perform copied magic better than the original user though, and it seemingly gives him all of the knowledge about said magic, so he should know the nuances of Age Seal at least as well as DiMaria. And tbh it could be worse for her if he just doesn't copy it because that will leave her to face either August or Gildarts, with the former stomping her and the latter beating her.
Well I always saw August´s copy magic as just that, copy magic. I don´t think it provides him with all the information about a certain kind of magic. Rather, I believe that he has educated himself with regards to numerous magic spells, skills, types, etc. So I do agreee with you, August should know the nuances to the spell all the while having a far more juiced up version of the same spell. But the thought of Dimaria being a time magic utilizer lingers with me. I can´t help but feel she should have a go to plan once someone uses age seal against her. She can´t do the same for someone countering age seal because she doesn´t know how that even is possible. Age seal,on the otherhand is something she is very familiar with and is very skilled in using. This is going with the assumption, however, that mages, especially those of spriggan caliber, have a way of countering their own magic in dire situations due to their splendid mastery over their magic type)similar to how Dragon Slayers counter their own elements or how Gray bends and molds ice from other ice wizards, or even how Gildarts cancels his own spells(however a different mechanic might be needed for theses situations, hahaha)).
I´m also starting to rethink my vote. This group is poison for Dimaria. Given her cockiness she just might try to eliminate mages as quickly as possible by activating age seal right off the bat. We´ve never seen her interact with August, so we don´t know how cautious she may be around him(given how cocky ajeel was around him). If indeed she is as cocky as she was first portrayed to be, she does get eliminated first.
I think Age Seal can be used on everyone except August. His magic copies and nullifies, instantly. I'd say he's able to practice any magic near-perfect within that instant... given he was a child born with tremendous knowledge
Gildarts and Gray are better fighters than DiMaria (easily imo) but Age Seal is one of the more broken hax abilities. It puts her in their class.
I think Age Seal can be used on everyone except August. His magic copies and nullifies, instantly. I'd say he's able to practice any magic near-perfect within that instant... given he was a child born with tremendous knowledge
Gildarts and Gray are better fighters than DiMaria (easily imo) but Age Seal is one of the more broken hax abilities. It puts her in their class.
Only one countering Age Seal is August bcs he has counter. Everyone else doesn't. Don't even know why this is being discussed in the first place.
Also DiMaria durability is up there in Chronos form and her Age Scratch would destroy characters like Gildarts (reliving that pain from Acno on top of all his other fights). Plus her lasers are faster than anyone not named August and maybe Gild can perceive. Not why people are downplaying Chronos when Chronos beat her kryptonite at max potential and only lost due to Wendy's intervention. She also took a DF Wendy attack to the face and didn't even flinch. That's some high lvl durability seeing how even Natsu has been pushed back and hat hit markers from fodder.
Yeah, after reading all these comments im changing my vote
August
Gildarts
Gray
Bradman
A terrible situation for Dimaria, even if we go ahead and assume that August cant just outright cancel Age Seal as soon as she casts it, she is still going to be alone in her world of time with August, which is an automatic defeat right there. I highly doubt Dimaria is killing anyone other than maybe Midnight or Minerva before August slaughters her, she'd need to be extremely quick to take even one of them down before August gets to her.
Bradman sticks around just cause he's hard to kill, Gray would probably end up taking him out, however the Ice Resist Bradman has should more or less cancel out the DeS disadvantage, so it'll still take Gray a while to put him down.
Only one countering Age Seal is August bcs he has counter. Everyone else doesn't. Don't even know why this is being discussed in the first place.
Also DiMaria durability is up there in Chronos form and her Age Scratch would destroy characters like Gildarts (reliving that pain from Acno on top of all his other fights). Plus her lasers are faster than anyone not named August and maybe Gild can perceive. Not why people are downplaying Chronos when Chronos beat her kryptonite at max potential and only lost due to Wendy's intervention. She also took a DF Wendy attack to the face and didn't even flinch. That's some high lvl durability seeing how even Natsu has been pushed back and hat hit markers from fodder.
END had the strength to move through Age Seal, anyone with comparable strength should be able to do the same, which possibly includes Gray and those stronger than him.
END has the offense to massacre Dimaria, which means Gray has the offense to do the same. August and Gildarts slaughters her, and only one of Dimaria's attacks is capable of even damaging Bradman. Without Age Seal Dimaria isnt even on Azir's level.
Natsu didn't beat Jellal, it was Etherion power.
Natsu didn't beat Zero, it was Jellal's power.
Natsu didn't beat Gajeel in 1x1 fight, it was with Lucy's help.
Natsu didn't beat Midnight, it wasn't in manga.
Natsu didn't beat Cobra, he was helpless against him while Brain kill him.
And ofcourse, Natsu didn't beat any demon from Tartaros (besides Jackal, who give him realy hard time) while Gray oneshot one of them. And DeS is no sense here, DS didn't scratch any dragons.
1. Etherion is a power up. It is not Natsu's power.
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3. Natsu losed to Gajeel while Lucy bring him fire.
4. And Cobra was still in perfect condition and was going to kill Natsu.
5. Natsu didn't beat Franmalt without Lucy, even didn't scratch him. And Natsu did nothing to Mard who was not beaten after their fight. Zeref killed him.
6. You want demon who is dragon calibre? Deliora himself. And why you talking about that? I never said that demon = dragons. I said being slayer is nothing.
Yeah, after reading all these comments im changing my vote
August
Gildarts
Gray
Bradman
A terrible situation for Dimaria, even if we go ahead and assume that August cant just outright cancel Age Seal as soon as she casts it, she is still going to be alone in her world of time with August, which is an automatic defeat right there. I highly doubt Dimaria is killing anyone other than maybe Midnight or Minerva before August slaughters her, she'd need to be extremely quick to take even one of them down before August gets to her.
Bradman sticks around just cause he's hard to kill, Gray would probably end up taking him out, however the Ice Resist Bradman has should more or less cancel out the DeS disadvantage, so it'll still take Gray a while to put him down.
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END had the strength to move through Age Seal, anyone with comparable strength should be able to do the same, which possibly includes Gray and those stronger than him.
END has the offense to massacre Dimaria, which means Gray has the offense to do the same. August and Gildarts slaughters her, and only one of Dimaria's attacks is capable of even damaging Bradman. Without Age Seal Dimaria isnt even on Azir's level.
It was not strength that let him move through it. Gray isn't END he has never had hype of END so why are you using END feats for Gray? Gray has already been shown to be affected as did everyone in Hargeon. Gray's offense is not on partial END's lvl. Natsu actively held back the entire fight, and second a bloodlusted Natsu beat a base DiMaria with a back stab and she was still conscious. She was beat mostly from the fear of who END really was. Wendy's buff countered Irene's meteor, and DiMaria destroyed it so her offensive skills is higher than Bradman. MCBs couldn't even kill Levy and his strongest attack was swam out of by base Gajeel. If strength could break Age Seal then Hiro wouldn't of went through the trouble of having Ultear or END appear. A bloodlusted Gray and partial END didn't even beat Erza (they attacked at the same time at that) lol, and you think their strength was off the charts or something? It wasn't. Really hax-y magic (like ts, transmutation, mental attacks/manipulation, spatial manipulation, reality manipulation, ect.) can only be countered by hax not brute strength and END is gonna be anti-hax, which is how he's going to kill an immortal, and break a hax af curse. Even Acno (which I've said from the get go) has counters to hax magic (it's not bcs of MP or brute power like most try to make it out to be). This is the same for many other action type fiction as well. END doing it means END can do it you can't scale that to others bcs it has nothing to do with power levels. Hiro has even said this in afterword on hax magic. END has not even one notable mention of MP either.
Why would August go for her first when there are opponents for easy pickings? He'd kill everyone in ts first then beat DiMaria. It would make no sense to take out a person who's more useful alive then dead lol.
Yeah, after reading all these comments im changing my vote
August
Gildarts
Gray
Bradman
A terrible situation for Dimaria, even if we go ahead and assume that August cant just outright cancel Age Seal as soon as she casts it, she is still going to be alone in her world of time with August, which is an automatic defeat right there. I highly doubt Dimaria is killing anyone other than maybe Midnight or Minerva before August slaughters her, she'd need to be extremely quick to take even one of them down before August gets to her.
Bradman sticks around just cause he's hard to kill, Gray would probably end up taking him out, however the Ice Resist Bradman has should more or less cancel out the DeS disadvantage, so it'll still take Gray a while to put him down.
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END had the strength to move through Age Seal, anyone with comparable strength should be able to do the same, which possibly includes Gray and those stronger than him.
END has the offense to massacre Dimaria, which means Gray has the offense to do the same. August and Gildarts slaughters her, and only one of Dimaria's attacks is capable of even damaging Bradman. Without Age Seal Dimaria isnt even on Azir's level.
It was not strength that let him move through it. Gray isn't END he has never had hype of END so why are you using END feats for Gray? Gray has already been shown to be affected as did everyone in Hargeon. Gray's offense is not on partial END's lvl. Natsu actively held back the entire fight, and second a bloodlusted Natsu beat base DiMaria with a back stab and she was still conscious. She was beat from fear bcs she knew who END really was. Wendy's buff countered Irene's meteor, and DiMaria destroyed it so her offensive skills is a higher than Bradman. MCBs couldn't even kill Levy and his strongest attack was swam out of by base Gajeel. If strength could break Age Seal then Hiro wouldn't of went through the trouble of having Ultear or END appear. A bloodlusted Gray and partial END didn't even beat Erza lol, and you think their strength was off the charts or something? Really hax-y magic (like ts, transmutation, mental attacks/manipulation, spatial manipulation, reality manipulation, ect.) can only be countered by hax not brute strength and END is gonna be anti-hax, which is how he's going to kill an immortal, and break a hax af curse. Even Acno (which I've said from the get go) has counters to hax magic (it's not bcs of MP or brute power like most try to make it out to be). This is the same for many other fiction as well. END doing it means END can do it you can't scale that to others bcs it has nothing to do with power levels. Hiro has even said this in afterword on hax magic. END has not even one notable mention of MP either.
Why would August go for her first when there are opponents for easy pickings? He'd kill everyone in ts first then beat DiMaria. It would make no sense to take out a person who's more useful alive then dead lol.
Gray fought on par with END, and in terms of offense he was proven END's equal. Speculating that he could possibly do something that END did is not unreasonable.
Gray was never shown to be affected by Age Seal, he was fighting in town, Dimaria was fighting in an open field.
Nothing suggested Natsu held back in his fight with Gray, i doubt he was even capable at that point.
Natsu didnt beat base Dimaria with a backstab, the fight was off panel. All we know is that Dimaria had the chance to use Age Seal, and Natsu was unaffected.
I didnt say Bradmans offense was superior to Dimaria's.
Ultear was needed to break Age Seal cause Wendy and Cheria are weaklings, strength is all thats needed for anything.
Yeah, bloodlusted Gray and Partial END didnt even beat Erza, but they did beat Dimaria rather easily(at least END did).
END is anti-hax?? Where the hell did you get that from? END walked through Age Seal because he is stronger, not because of this "anti-hax nonsense"
Not talking about MP being the reason END can walk through Age Seal, im talking pure power, his total strength, which is beyond Chronos.
August would kill Dimaria first because she's still moving and because she has a sword, which means she's a threat. Only an idiot would turn his attention to killing a bunch of immobile chumps that cant hurt him even when they are mobile, and risk getting stabbed in the back by someone who can hurt him.
Assuming Gildarts and Gray are still moving, they might go after August or each other or DIms, but neither of them are beating their targets before August beats his.
1. Etherion is a power up. It is not Natsu's power.
2. ...
3. Natsu losed to Gajeel while Lucy bring him fire.
4. And Cobra was still in perfect condition and was going to kill Natsu.
5. Natsu didn't beat Franmalt without Lucy, even didn't scratch him. And Natsu did nothing to Mard who was not beaten after their fight. Zeref killed him.
6. You want demon who is dragon calibre? Deliora himself. And why you talking about that? I never said that demon = dragons. I said being slayer is nothing.
Etherion triggered DF. You can't just eat etherion an power up. Why didn't Jellal or Erza do it. If Natsu ate etherion and he just became powerful in his base form then what you're saying would be true. But he activated DF.
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Lucy just made it fair
If you call that perfect condition then Natsu was in perfect condition too don't you think?
Can you please post the page where Lucy attackes Franmalth, thanks. And yeah Natsu didn't scratch him he killed him. also
Gray fought on par with END, and in terms of offense he was proven END's equal. Speculating that he could possibly do something that END did is not unreasonable.
Gray was never shown to be affected by Age Seal, he was fighting in town, Dimaria was fighting in an open field.
Nothing suggested Natsu held back in his fight with Gray, i doubt he was even capable at that point.
Natsu didnt beat base Dimaria with a backstab, the fight was off panel. All we know is that Dimaria had the chance to use Age Seal, and Natsu was unaffected.
I didnt say Bradmans offense was superior to Dimaria's.
Ultear was needed to break Age Seal cause Wendy and Cheria are weaklings, strength is all thats needed for anything.
Yeah, bloodlusted Gray and Partial END didnt even beat Erza, but they did beat Dimaria rather easily(at least END did).
END is anti-hax?? Where the hell did you get that from? END walked through Age Seal because he is stronger, not because of this "anti-hax nonsense"
Not talking about MP being the reason END can walk through Age Seal, im talking pure power, his total strength, which is beyond Chronos.
August would kill Dimaria first because she's still moving and because she has a sword, which means she's a threat. Only an idiot would turn his attention to killing a bunch of immobile chumps that cant hurt him even when they are mobile, and risk getting stabbed in the back by someone who can hurt him.
Assuming Gildarts and Gray are still moving, they might go after August or each other or DIms, but neither of them are beating their targets before August beats his.
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So was August, yet we know he has more MP than Neinhart
August allowed Brandish to cure himself.On the other hand on Gray got effected by Brandish's magic.But she could not use the same magic on END.She even said,"It's power surpasses her's".
Obviously she didn't say the same about Gray.
Many people including @Emperor Spriggan are making the mistake that just because Gray went against END on par doesn't mean they have same powerlevel.We have already seen what happens when a Slayer is strong like with Tempesta.Gray had immense Des advantage against END.
Dimaria had Age Seal'd Brandish who vis a vis used her magic on Gray.So it's natural that Age Seal will also work on Gray.And if Gray had more M.P. than Brandish surely,pretty surely Brandish would have said so like she did with END.
and i have said time many times having slayer advantage doesnt mean that person is oneshotable gray couldnt oneshot base mard geer ds couldnt oneshot a dragon. TO cheila couldnt oneshot dimaria so stop with this if gray=/= END advantage or not gray=END of discussion. again with this time stop wank any1 from END level and up can break thru it. its common sense i dont know why it hard to believe that i could say that stop using END feats to justified irene feats as her own because she hasnt shown it the manga. even if u want say gray has DES advantage erza was able to stop end attack causally with one hands so... GG now people are saying dimaria solo gildartz because of time seal when its common sense that gildartz mp>dimaria mp. gildartz didnt comment of august mp doesnt that mean gildartz mp=august mp?? sometimes the authors doesnt need to spoon feed the reader about certain thing in the manga some of these things are common sense. and brandish magic works on dimaria magic too so
and i have said time many times have slayer advantage doesnt mean that person is oneshotable gray couldnt oneshot base mard geer ds couldnt oneshot a dragon. TO cheila couldnt oneshot dimaria so stop with this if gray=/= END advantage or not gray=END of discussion. again with this time stop wank any1 from END level and up can do its common sense i dont know why it hard to believe that i could say that stop using END feats to justified irene feats as her own because she hasnt shown it the manga. even if u want say gray has DES advantage erza was able to stop end attack caually with one hands so... GG now people are saying dimaria solo gildartz because of time seal when its common sense that gildartz mp>dimaria mp. gildartz didnt comment of august mp doesnt that meanmgildartz mp=august mp?? sometimes the authors doesnt need to spoon feed the reader about certain thing in the manga some of these things are common sense. and brandish magic works on dimaria magic too so
That's pretty wrong.Slayer advantages doesn't mean a weak fighter will be able to do the same thing like Gray did.
Gray is a high Tier Spriggan level mage.
Secondly,are you denying that Gray had Des advantage against END?Then he should have used normal ice make magic against END not that Des Magic.
Thirdly,the author doesn't need to spoon feed everything.And Irene has comparable M.P. like August so it's natural she is immune to it also.But when people say Gray can resist Age Seal when he couldn't even resist Command T of Brandish that's plain going against Manga facts.
And judging by Brandish's words Brandish's MP>Gray's MP because she didn't find any difficulty against Gray in using the magic.
Etherion triggered DF. You can't just eat etherion an power up. Why didn't Jellal or Erza do it. If Natsu ate etherion and he just became powerful in his base form then what you're saying would be true. But he activated DF.
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Lucy just made it fair
If you call that perfect condition then Natsu was in perfect condition too don't you think?
Can you please post the page where Lucy attackes Franmalth, thanks. And yeah Natsu didn't scratch him he killed him. also
1. Yes, can. But for using such power as Etherion you must have ability to consuming this power and spill out. DF is not powerup, is just state which consuming more power than base. Like Mira's souls. Stronger soul consuming more power. Natsu did not have enough power to use DF himself and Etherion (and Jellal's flame) get him this ability. He didn't fight with his power, he fought with Etherion power.
3. And before this moment Natsu did losing to him.
4. Yes, I call this a perfect condition compared with Natsu.
5. Lucy doesn't must pucnh Franmalt and still with that Natsu didn't make anything to Franmalt without Lucy's help. Natsu didn't kill him, he was still alive after all. It was one rocked punch. You realy think nobody can strike a rock into Franmalt face? And so Natsu didn't do that himself.
Any new scratch on him after Natsu's strongest move??