......Mystic Gohan cant go super saiyan
I disagree. Natsu was only physically restrained by Zeref's black magic, mentally he was perfectly as sound as he could be, as he gave his normal Natsu-esque speech. I read that moment as Natsu both concentrating mentally and pushing himself physically as hard as he could to trigger Dragon Force to overpower the black magic's tightening hold.
Natsu was merely sleepy under Larcade's magic, but he could still think pretty clearly. He has enough mental faculties to recognize that Larcade called Zeref his father, and he was aware enough to know that he had to keep himself together to fight Zeref. Besides, it shouldn't take that much concentration for Natsu to decide to use dragon force. Sting and Rogue were both under the effects of Larcade's RIP, and they formulated a strategy of letting Sting fall into the shadows.
I don't believe registering one word and/or a giving/receiving straightforward tactical directives can compare with inducing one of the strongest physical transformations that the human body can undergo with Dragon Slayer magic, one that adopts the strength and anatomical characteristics of a dragon.Natsu was merely sleepy under Larcade's magic, but he could still think pretty clearly. He has enough mental faculties to recognize that Larcade called Zeref his father, and he was aware enough to know that he had to keep himself together to fight Zeref. Besides, it shouldn't take that much concentration for Natsu to decide to use dragon force. Sting and Rogue were both under the effects of Larcade's RIP, and they formulated a strategy of letting Sting fall into the shadows.
You make it sound like Natsu needs to be a genius to fire off dragon force. Sting can maintain his WSD form whilst under the effects of Larcade's magic. You don't need absolute mental concentration to maintain dragon force. We've seen Natsu maintain his dragon force even when he gets hit or overpowered by attacks, which would break his concentration all the same.
Natsu already defeated Dimaria i think this is enough proof that Larcade has zero change win this fight...
It was END!Natsu. Natsu doesnt have END power in this tourney.
Dragon Force is greater than the END powers we've seen so far though.
Add to that Larcade is even below END when Zeref revealed he is just a prototype in reviving END/Natsu.
Nope. All I see is Larcade's magic being great enough of an inhibiter to prevent mental concentration in inducing one of the most strenuous transformations in the series.
Which didn't do him any good, as he was rendered immobile in the fight, until he used the hax-breaker dynamic of his magic to slip momentarily right through Larcade's magic and oneshot him.
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There's getting hit, which at the very worst only startles the mind, and then there's a continuous stream of immobilizing drowsiness.
Since when has dragon force ever been mentally taxing though? It's taxing physically in that it takes up a lot of magic power to sustain. I find it hard to believe that being sleepy is a greater inhibitor than say getting beaten around by Zero. I would find it much harder to concentrate if someone was hitting me than if I was merely sleepy. It wasn't just a one off hit either, Zero landed multiple attacks against him in quick succession.
You lost me here. Dragon Force is what Natsu used against Zeref. What transformation are we talking about?
Natsu's forever been a tank who could withstand punches and kicks on end, and with Dragon Force he's only moreso. Punches and kicks aren't going to do much to his concentration, of all people.
We're not talking about power levels at all here, hax magic is what's being discussed.
Even if Natsu has good durability, getting hit affects your concentration. Especially when you're getting kicked around on the floor like that. If he could concentrate, he would be trying to dodge or blocking. The bottom line is that Natsu was clearly in worse shape fighting Zero, than he was against Larcade. If he can push past the pain of getting kicked around or blasted by magic, he can probably push past whatever sleepiness he's feeling from Larcade.Natsu's forever been a tank who could withstand punches and kicks on end, and with Dragon Force he's only moreso. Punches and kicks aren't going to do much to his concentration, of all people.
Already been said earlier in this thread that Natsu's not one to resist the mind's failings anywhere nearly as well as he can tank bodily hit well, something which I agree with.
We're not talking about power levels at all here, hax magic is what's being discussed.
WSD Sting held on only long enough for Rogue to tell him what to do. An interval stretching at what, 10 seconds at they very, very most and of which WSD Sting was mentally taxed enough to be rendered completely immobile against Larcade.
You're the one who brought up the possibility of Natsu transforming into Dragon Force.
I'm telling you that Larcade's magic won't let that transformation happen at all to begin with, let alone this sudden talk of yours about Natsu being able to maintain it.
Taking hits does indeed break bursts of concentration at infinitesimal moments. Larcade's RIP is a steady stream of constant drowsiness, which inherently taxes the mind at completely different level, forcing a part the mind try to fend off the constant drowsiness that probably only getting worse, and another to continue fighting. This is nothing like pain, which while can have its sustained impact on the mind for extremely grievous injuries, I'd argue Natsu's acclimated enough to pain to mentally withstand it in battle without letting it hamper his concentration, so long as the rest of his body doesn't fail him.
Yet Zeref stated that Larcade's magic was suited to match up against Acno. This is an assertion that relates directly to the character at hand, let alone inferring any sort of speculation as to what you may feel about DF Natsu being arguably strong enough to somehow turn off Larcade's hax.
Human -> Dragon Force is what's being discussed here. One of the most strenuous transformations in the series that alters your body.