Quarterfinal Laxus vs Zeref

[LaGOAT]

What? When did I say this? I constantly stated Laxus is far from top tier in the verse.

I meant isn't but ur funny if u think he isn't

 

[Jko]

Don't know why PAST portrayal is being brought up like it's relevant. Current Laxus would get his ass handed to him by Current Natsu. Stop living in the past and look at the present facts. Natsu is by far the strongest person in the guild. No one rivals him in power. That's like saying bcs Natsu fears Erza or Lucy they are stronger than him. No, they aren't.

No point in bringing up things from the beginning of the manga, and using them like they are relevant. Current Laxus is not portrayed to be on Natsu's level. He hasn't even been portrayed to be on Gildarts level.

Laxus has never been portrayed closes to the top tiers. He would get humiliated fighting any of them.

Honestly this is actually sad that people are blinded by their hate for Natsu that can't actually see he has surpassed Laxus by a huge margin. Stop letting your bias cloud your objectivity.

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I meant isn't but ur funny if u think he isn't

Because he isn't. Do you even know what top tier means?

 

[coolerthanzerok]

I think the idea of where he lands tier-wise is kinda irrelevant. He's not fighting Natsu, he's fighting handicapped Zeref. Laxus is very high tier having nearly one-shot a Spriggan that would've beaten Erza straight up while riddled with tumors. He's got speed, AoE, single target nukes, impressive CQC, and crazy durability. Laxus hasn't lost a fight since Tenrou island and fighting a healthy Hades. He's not going to win this tournament because Natsu and August are both simply stronger. That doesn't mean that he doesn't share a tier with Gildartz and the stronger Spriggans.

 

[Biri Biri]

Don't know why PAST portrayal is being brought up like it's relevant. Current Laxus would get his ass handed to him by Current Natsu. Stop living in the past and look at the present facts. Natsu is by far the strongest person in the guild. No one rivals him in power. That's like saying bcs Natsu fears Erza or Lucy they are stronger than him. No, they aren't.

No point in bringing up things from the beginning of the manga, and using them like they are relevant. Current Laxus is not portrayed to be on Natsu's level. He hasn't even been portrayed to be on Gildarts level.

Laxus has never been portrayed closes to the top tiers. He would get humiliated fighting any of them.

Honestly this is actually sad that people are blinded by their hate for Natsu that can't actually see he has surpassed Laxus by a huge margin. Stop letting your bias cloud your objectivity.

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Because he isn't. Do you even know what top tier means?

If anything, Zeref is the one from a bygone era whose massive hype comes from him riding on the coattails of the myths spread by his legion of fanbois in-verse about how he is the most evil and powerful mage ever. His misfortune originated from how he is unable to accept Natsu's death and tried screwing around with the concept of life to resurrect Natsu. Talk about living in the past.

And what's the deal with some constantly bringing Natsu up in the discussion about Laxus vs Zeref?

Behold the new era. The crown jewel of Ishgar, Laxus Dreyar, will pluck us out of wilderness and put us in to the promised land where the power of positivity await us.

 

[Kay3795]

Zeref puts a curse magic on Laxus, & Laxus is promptly consumed from the inside & dies. No difficulty.

 

[Invel > Zeref]

Zeref puts a curse magic on Laxus, & Laxus is promptly consumed from the inside & dies. No difficulty.

Laxus uses Fairy Law and beats Zeref. No difficulty.

 

[coolerthanzerok]

Zeref puts a curse magic on Laxus, & Laxus is promptly consumed from the inside & dies. No difficulty.

When have we seen Zeref do that? If we're allowed to do that be a BIT more plausible and just have Zeref casting Fairy Law because he theoretically knows it. If Zeref could do that Natsu would've lost. All of Zeref's magic has to connect.

 

[Kay3795]

Laxus uses Fairy Law and beats Zeref. No difficulty.

You cannot device a scenario where Laxus, a straightforward fighter, can oppose Zeref & hope for a victory. It's impossible.

Fairy Law is Laxus only haxx-like move but using it here is like a kitten spitting in the face of a Lion.

 

[Invel > Zeref]

Don't know why PAST portrayal is being brought up like it's relevant. Current Laxus would get his ass handed to him by Current Natsu. Stop living in the past and look at the present facts. Natsu is by far the strongest person in the guild. No one rivals him in power. That's like saying bcs Natsu fears Erza or Lucy they are stronger than him. No, they aren't.

No point in bringing up things from the beginning of the manga, and using them like they are relevant. Current Laxus is not portrayed to be on Natsu's level. He hasn't even been portrayed to be on Gildarts level.

Laxus has never been portrayed closes to the top tiers. He would get humiliated fighting any of them.

Honestly this is actually sad that people are blinded by their hate for Natsu that can't actually see he has surpassed Laxus by a huge margin. Stop letting your bias cloud your objectivity.

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Because he isn't. Do you even know what top tier means?

Laxus hasn't been portrayed as top tier? Have we forgotten that Laxus is so overpowered that Hiro had to make a Spriggan with immunity to lightning and give Laxus a sickness just to make it a decent fight? And the dude still won. Put him against any mid-tier spriggan and he casually one shots. Besides Dragon force and Wild Emotion Natsu, Natsu has no feats that Laxus wouldn't able to replicate if not surpass.

 

[Jko]

If anything, Zeref is the one from a bygone era whose massive hype comes from him riding on the coattails of the myths spread by his legion of fanbois in-verse about how he is the most evil and powerful mage ever. His misfortune originated from how he is unable to accept Natsu's death and tried screwing around with the concept of life to resurrect Natsu. Talk about living in the past.

And what's the deal with some constantly bringing Natsu up in the discussion about Laxus vs Zeref?

Behold the new era. The crown jewel of Ishgar, Laxus Dreyar, will pluck us out of wilderness and put us in to the promised land where the power of positivity await us.

Nope. Directly stated by the author himself, and has been stated numerous times to be top by top tiers. So no, Zeref has actual facts of being top tier not some deluded notion of portrayal from the very beginning of the series.

Laxus isn't top tier. His feats are lackluster and shows he doesn't even have the endurance to hang with high tiers let alone top tiers.

Why Natsu keeps being brought up is because you guys think bcs Natsu can do it Laxus can do it which is plain out wrong since Natsu would rekt Laxus.

Savage Emotion Natsu > Zeref > DF Natsu > FDKM IgNatsu > IgNatsu >>>>>> FDKM Natsu > Laxus. Laxus ain't messing with top tiers as he will get smashed. Immortality only gives Zeref longevity and regeneration it does not give him durability and he has tanked way stronger attacks than Laxus has dished out.

Laxus ain that strong in the verse. Their are several people who can beat him handily.

 

[Kay3795]

When have we seen Zeref do that? If we're allowed to do that be a BIT more plausible and just have Zeref casting Fairy Law because he theoretically knows it. If Zeref could do that Natsu would've lost. All of Zeref's magic has to connect.

Curse magic & the variants (that Demons use) exist as a result of the Creator, Zeref. Even the master Enchantress Irene can't be said to have superior Enchanting powers than Zeref, her master.

 

[Invel > Zeref]

Nope. Directly stated by the author himself, and has been stated numerous times to be top by top tiers. So no, Zeref has actual facts of being top tier not some deluded notion of portrayal from the very beginning of the series.

When did he state that? Are you voting for Gildarts in the Natsu vs Gildarts fight since Hiro stated that Gildarts is the strongest in Fairy Tail in chapter 525?

Laxus isn't top tier. His feats are lackluster and shows he doesn't even have the endurance to hang with high tiers let alone top tiers.

How are his feats lackluster? His only big fight was against someone immune to his magic and Laxus still won.

Savage Emotion Natsu > Zeref > DF Natsu > FDKM IgNatsu > IgNatsu >>>>>> FDKM Natsu > Laxus. Laxus ain't messing with top tiers as he will get smashed. Immortality only gives Zeref longevity and regeneration it does not give him durability and he has tanked way stronger attacks than Laxus has dished out.

Zeref is only stronger than dragon force and FDKM Natsu with Fairy Heart which is restricted in this fight

 

[Jko]

Laxus hasn't been portrayed as top tier? Have we forgotten that Laxus is so overpowered that Hiro had to make a Spriggan with immunity to lightning and give Laxus a sickness just to make it a decent fight? And the dude still won. Put him against any mid-tier spriggan and he casually one shots. Besides Dragon force and Wild Emotion Natsu, Natsu has no feats that Laxus wouldn't able to replicate if not surpass.

That S12 went mentally retarded and didn't even use his strongest attacks. He won at a disadvantage cool but Wall didn't even actually use his good arsenal. He amped Laxus mid fight with a rail gun even tho his weakness magic would've told him he was DS and they feed off their element. So beating a mentally retarded Wall is not that impressive. Laxus is not oneshotting mid tier S12s. Serena would beat Laxus in a fight and he's only a mid tier S12. The high tier S12 could oneshot Laxus and the top tier would make him wish he wasn't born. Laxus has no feat to suggest he could do any of the things Natsu can. He can't burn time, he can't burn magic, and he definetely can't vaporize a lake the size of a sea. Laxus cannot replicate what Natsu can do. His strongest attack is RL which only feat is beating Wall.

 

[Labi]

No diff for Zeref bc as we all know

Base Zeref > Base Natsu >>>> FH Zeref >>>>> DF Natsu = Ig Fdkm Natsu >>>> Fdkm Natsu >> Laxus

 

[Jko]

When did he state that? Are you voting for Gildarts in the Natsu vs Gildarts fight since Hiro stated that Gildarts is the strongest in Fairy Tail in chapter 525?

How are his feats lackluster? His only big fight was against someone immune to his magic and Laxus still won.



Zeref is only stronger than dragon force and FDKM Natsu with Fairy Heart which is restricted in this fight

Beating a guy who didn't even utilize his strongest moves is not that impressive. Etherion or the fireball would've killed Laxus yet Wall used weaker attack and amped Laxus with a lightning attack.

Nope Zeref is still stronger than DF and FDKM Natsu without FH. FH only let him use the time lapse. His stats don't increase and he doesn't get some whole new moveset. He could've oneshotted Natsu the entire time but was holding back in hopes Natsu would kill him.

 

[coolerthanzerok]

You cannot device a scenario where Laxus, a straightforward fighter, can oppose Zeref & hope for a victory. It's impossible.

Fairy Law is Laxus only haxx-like move but using it here is like a kitten spitting in the face of a Lion.

Feat wise, Zeref IS a straightforward fighter though. And an unimpressive one at that, excepting his high durability.

If Natsu can do it, Lexus can usually do it with a little more difficulty. Laxus is more clever than Natsu is. Also, base Zeref is somewhere below IgNatsu, seeing as he was whipping Zeref with Igneel's power. Those tiers just exist of half of Natsu's random power ups. Fine. Natsu has been shown being plot ruining-ly strong. I guess I don't get which feats are lackluster. The moment he got his tumors removed he killed Wahl immediately. He would casually one shot most characters in-universe because of his feats vs Ajeel. Yes, the very top Spriggans as well as Natsu are stronger, and Zeref wouldn't be low difficulty, but if PiS isn't allowed, then Laxus would dodge every attack he'd be able to, which is most of them.

 

[Hermit]

Laxus uses Fairy Law and beats Zeref. No difficulty.

You do realize Fairy Law is a move that Mavis learned from Zeref, right?
RIGHT?

 

[Kay3795]

That S12 went mentally retarded and didn't even use his strongest attacks. He won at a disadvantage cool but Wall didn't even actually use his good arsenal. He amped Laxus mid fight with a rail gun even tho his weakness magic would've told him he was DS and they feed off their element. So beating a mentally retarded Wall is not that impressive. Laxus is not oneshotting mid tier S12s. Serena would beat Laxus in a fight and he's only a mid tier S12. The high tier S12 could oneshot Laxus and the top tier would make him wish he wasn't born. Laxus has no feat to suggest he could do any of the things Natsu can. He can't burn time, he can't burn magic, and he definetely can't vaporize a lake the size of a sea. Laxus cannot replicate what Natsu can do. His strongest attack is RL which only feat is beating Wall.

I'm not so sure how to separate the S12 tbh because ranking is tricky in FT verse. The only made very clear is that August, Irene & Larcade are above the rest; and that each member have their own unique skill set.

Laxus can oppose a straightforward S12 like Wal but won't do so hot against Bradman; however Wal can oppose Bradman. It's mostly about matchups really.

 

[Jko]

No diff for Zeref bc as we all know

Base Zeref > Base Natsu >>>> FH Zeref >>>>> DF Natsu = Ig Fdkm Natsu >>>> Fdkm Natsu >> Laxus

Funny but that wasn't Base Natsu who beat Zeref. It was Savage Emotion Natsu which is currently his strongest form as he's utilized his strongest flame in it. It has already been stated in the beginning of the manga that Natsu's magic gets stronger depending on his emotions and savage emotion is his pinnacle of PoF and rage.

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I'm not so sure how to separate the S12 tbh because ranking is tricky in FT verse. The only made very clear is that August, Irene & Larcade are above the rest; and that each member have their own unique skill set.

Laxus can oppose a straightforward S12 like Wal but won't do so hot against Bradman; however Wal can oppose Bradman. It's mostly about matchups really.

Which is why he would be a mid tier S12 bcs his power isn't really superior than the pack. Any mid tier S12 can win against a mid tier S12 but high tier or a top tier would have definite win against a mid tier S12. I'm not saying Laxus is weak as I would rank him as mid-tier S12 but there are stronger people than him, and Zeref is one of those people. He is just not up there with the top tiers.

Edit: Forget that strike through part I thought you were someone else.

 

[Invel > Zeref]

Beating a guy who didn't even utilize his strongest moves is not that impressive. Etherion or the fireball would've killed Laxus yet Wall used weaker attack and amped Laxus with a lightning attack.

Nope Zeref is still stronger than DF and FDKM Natsu without FH. FH only let him use the time lapse. His stats don't increase and he doesn't get some whole new moveset. He could've oneshotted Natsu the entire time but was holding back in hopes Natsu would kill him.

Even if Wahl used the moves Laxus would just dodge them. I'd be willing to listen to logic but you are straight up making things up. According to Zeref, Fairy Heart gave him control over space and time which he used to regenerate from DF Natsu attack. Of course it made him stronger