The paralysis technique he used on Natsu, which forced him to enter Dragon Force, a mode that's superior to FDKM, and which should be superior to anything Laxus has shown to date.
Zeref just sits there and waits all day for Laxus to try and break out of the spell, and once he'd tired he follows it up with another spell, just to be on the winning team.
Then he follows it up with a Death Pillar, how does Laxus counter that move when he's stopped in his tracks?
As I said before, lightning body is a pretty hard counter to that. He'd slip free of being bound by becoming intangible and then hurl nukes at Zeref. Seems pretty effective to me.
As I said before, lightning body is a pretty hard counter to that. He'd slip free of being bound by becoming intangible and then hurl nukes at Zeref. Seems pretty effective to me.
Because Laxus's lightning body has been shown to escape binding techniques before?
Laxus doesn't even use that move as an elusive technique, he mostly uses it to dart around his opponent like he did with Tempesta and Hades, how exactly do you use that to escape paralysis?
This isn't One Piece with Logias and Haki
And frankly, I think Zeref is devoutly stronger, but sadly it's not about who is stronger, it's about who's shown more strength with the restrictions considered, and based on that standard I think Laxus has done more. If Zeref had been written better then this would be a stomp for him.
I'd also argue that the attack that nearly murdered Ajeel is capable of significantly damaging Zeref on top of Red lightning. It wouldn't one-shot Zeref, but there's no need to finish with a named attack when you can just spam good, if nameless, nukes. Many of Laxus's mid tier attacks would eventually overwhelm the offensively unimpressive Zeref.
Red Lightning was aspull nothing else, but this doesent mean Laxus is weak, look the panels man Mavis stated Yuri is Like Laxus.... Precht said you have Yuri Blood in your veins. what this means? Laxus learned Red lightning from his ancestor..
do you wonder why Yuri was not introduce again??? because his Power Level is 2.0 ----->Laxus
Because Laxus's lightning body has been shown to escape binding techniques before?
Laxus doesn't even use that move as an elusive technique, he mostly uses it to dart around his opponent like he did with Tempesta and Hades, how exactly do you use that to escape paralysis?
This isn't One Piece with Logias and Haki
Nope. Directly stated by the author himself, and has been stated numerous times to be top by top tiers. So no, Zeref has actual facts of being top tier not some deluded notion of portrayal from the very beginning of the series.
Laxus isn't top tier. His feats are lackluster and shows he doesn't even have the endurance to hang with high tiers let alone top tiers.
Why Natsu keeps being brought up is because you guys think bcs Natsu can do it Laxus can do it which is plain out wrong since Natsu would rekt Laxus.
Savage Emotion Natsu > Zeref > DF Natsu > FDKM IgNatsu > IgNatsu >>>>>> FDKM Natsu > Laxus. Laxus ain't messing with top tiers as he will get smashed. Immortality only gives Zeref longevity and regeneration it does not give him durability and he has tanked way stronger attacks than Laxus has dished out.
Laxus ain that strong in the verse. Their are several people who can beat him handily.
yo this guy said FDKM natsu>laxus even natsu fans such as @natsulucy@Axiomus@Daniel9dsi and @CaptainTorch doesn't believe it but somehow u believe that lets wait for the tournament to finish so we argue this blasphemy. ''laxus isnt top tier he feats are lack busting''
just because some people are stronger than him doesnt mean he isnt top tier ill just leave it at that.
What's the difference, really? Mavis just used it at a time Fairy Tail wasn't formed, the 'Fairy' at the beginning just shows the spell is exclusive to Fairy Tail.
The spell is the same back then and now, even the workings are the same. It eliminates anything the caster sees as a threat.
I would combine some of these tiers. For instance, I would add Igneel to the top tier, as well as August, since August's ability is stupid and seemingly infinite as long as he's getting hit by caster magic. I'd also drop Larcade because this is Fairy Tail where 90% of characters have broken degrees of willpower to overcome his abilities. I'd add several Spriggans and Ishgar mages to high tier as well, including Laxus. I generally leave dragons out altogether except for Irene because they're more events than actual opponents.
yo this guy said FDKM natsu>laxus even natsu fans such as @natsulucy@Axiomus@Daniel9dsi and @CaptainTorch doesn't believe it but somehow u believe that lets wait for the tournament to finish so we argue this blasphemy. ''laxus isnt top tier he feats are lack busting''
just because some people are stronger than him doesnt mean he isnt top tier ill just leave it at that.
What's the difference, really? Mavis just used it at a time Fairy Tail wasn't formed, the 'Fairy' at the beginning just shows the spell is exclusive to Fairy Tail.
The spell is the same back then and now, even the workings are the same. It eliminates anything the caster sees as a threat.
actually ur right i thought there were different. except that mavis the improved it. but zeref was said that he thought irene enchantment magic does that mean your gonna give him feats that he hasnt shown??
who are the elder/legendary dragons??? who is the dragon queen (plz dont say irene that will be the joke of the day) who do u consider normal dragons????. who said natsu can beat dragons???? who said zeref has capable feats to take down dragons
I would combine some of these tiers. For instance, I would add Igneel to the top tier, as well as August, since August's ability is stupid and seemingly infinite as long as he's getting hit by caster magic. I'd also drop Larcade because this is Fairy Tail where 90% of characters have broken degrees of willpower to overcome his abilities. I'd add several Spriggans and Ishgar mages to high tier as well, including Laxus. I generally leave dragons out altogether except for Irene because they're more events than actual opponents.
You can create 6 tiers or 14 tiers to classify the FT characters (i.e tier 0 > tier 1 > tier 2, tier 3 & so on) & characters in 4th & 5th can still both be considered as mid-tier or high-tier depending on how you rank em.
actually ur right i thought there were different. except that mavis the improved it. but zeref was said that he thought irene enchantment magic does that mean your gonna give him feats that he hasnt shown??
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who are the elder/legendary dragons??? who is the dragon queen (plz dont say irene that will be the joke of the day) who do u consider normal dragons????. who said natsu can beat dragons???? who said zeref has capable feats to take down dragons
Elder/Legendary Dragons are those that taught DS like Wendy her DS ability. Among these guys exist Igneel who is the Dragon Flame King (& he is at least Top-tier).
The Dragon Queen is Irene (why won't I say it when it's the truth & her title lol).
Examples of Normal Dragons is Atlas flame (& the like).
You can create 6 tiers or 14 tiers to classify the FT characters (i.e tier 0 > tier 1 > tier 2, tier 3 & so on) & characters in 4th & 5th can still both be considered as mid-tier or high-tier depending on how you rank em.
yo this guy said FDKM natsu>laxus even natsu fans such as @natsulucy@Axiomus@Daniel9dsi and @CaptainTorch doesn't believe it but somehow u believe that lets wait for the tournament to finish so we argue this blasphemy. ''laxus isnt top tier he feats are lack busting''
just because some people are stronger than him doesnt mean he isnt top tier ill just leave it at that.
Better feats are better feats. Natsu's FDKM doesn't instantly exhaust and has the power output to KO mid tier S12s lol. DF wouldn't be needed at this point.
You can create 6 tiers or 14 tiers to classify the FT characters (i.e tier 0 > tier 1 > tier 2, tier 3 & so on) & characters in 4th & 5th can still both be considered as mid-tier or high-tier depending on how you rank em.
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Elder/Legendary Dragons are those that taught DS like Wendy her DS ability. Among these guys exist Igneel who is the Dragon Flame King (& he is at least Top-tier).
The Dragon Queen is Irene (why won't I say it when it's the truth & her title lol).
Examples of Normal Dragons is Atlas flame (& the like).
by ur logic 1.future rogue should be god tier since he has dragon manipulation
irene>august and the parent dragons lol since when???? lol her feats were counter by wendy and a bit of DS magic with erza (who busted her strongest attack) to take down her dragon form. ya she is very powerful might as well say that wendy is always god tier
atlas flames=motherglare the same dragon that HF natsu took down. but let me guess non top tier like laxus and gildartz are not on HF natsu level eiher right?
actually ur right i thought there were different. except that mavis the improved it. but zeref was said that he thought irene enchantment magic does that mean your gonna give him feats that he hasnt shown??
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who are the elder/legendary dragons??? who is the dragon queen (plz dont say irene that will be the joke of the day) who do u consider normal dragons????. who said natsu can beat dragons???? who said zeref has capable feats to take down dragons
Better feats are better feats. Natsu's FDKM doesn't instantly exhaust and has the power output to KO mid tier S12s lol. DF wouldn't be needed at this point.
ya cause he didnt get help from lucy and the guild to beat jacob and couldnt oneshot ajeel with his base mode punch like laxus could have done if august didnt save him. go reread laxus vs wahl i think u miss important details of why laxus struggled if u want i can give the chapter number so u can start reading
by ur logic 1.future rogue should be god tier since he has dragon manipulation
irene>august and the parent dragons lol since when???? lol her feats were counter by wendy and a bit of DS magic with erza (who busted her strongest attack) to take down her dragon form. ya she is very powerful might as well say that wendy is always god tier
atlas flames=motherglare the same dragon that HF natsu took down. but let me guess non top tier like laxus and gildartz are not on HF natsu level eiher right?
Only parent Dragon that was above the pack was Igneel. Irene has solid feats that put her above the parent Dragons, and she didn't get beaten by Wendy so your point is dumb. Any parent Dragon can be hurt by Wendy bcs of her DS magic that doesn't mean they can be beat by her. There's a sheer difference between hurt and defeat.
Only parent Dragon that was above the pack was Igneel. Irene has solid feats that put her above the parent Dragons, and she didn't get beaten by Wendy so your point is dumb. Any parent Dragon can be hurt by Wendy bcs of her DS magic that doesn't mean they can be beat by her. There's a sheer difference between hurt and defeat.
go reread my post open ur eyes where did i say that irene was defeated??? parent dragons wouldnt have trouble no diff wendy and erza as much as irene did lol