When you say plot, you mean this? Be more specific, please. XDIt's a ****** with plot. The plot is terrible. I honestly don't know why it sold better than yuragi
The 2nd sentence emphasizes on the first one. The story is terrible -.-When you say plot, you mean this? Be more specific, please. XD
Well, there are bad ecchi out there so I might be talking about that. Now I understood. XD
Just to clarity your misunderstanding, I was not bashing Maoyuu with the image, I just googled an image that represented what I was trying to say and this one was the best I found. I did drop Maoyuu when it came out, but this is another matter entirely.
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Oda is right and although he thinks that the mentality changed, the level continues kind of the same with the inconsistencies that we see a lot from Jump mangas. This commentary from Oda just made clear to me that One Piece is all about consistency, it is the most consistent series I've ever read, you can study One Piece and draw a graph with all the correlations, it is like a network! It only shows how amazing Oda is, keeping up with all this.Here's something interesting Oda said in an article recently put up on 2ch:
He says that when he was a kid reading Shonen Jump, most of the stories tended to be inconsistent. He liked Kinnikuman around that time. During that period of Jump, they'd introduce a new character(s) in a big fashion one week and the next week, those characters would quietly be phased out. Mangaka prioritized writing a fun and interesting story above all else and thus consistency took a backseat. Kids also didn't really care about just issues and would read it regardless so when Oda decided to become a mangaka, he decided he would make everything consistent. The past and future and all characters would be connected and wouldn't be phased out like in the past. One Piece represents this objective.
However, currently he says that people have become rather nagging about manga. They will look through the various inconsistencies or contradictions with a more fine tooth comb. He said that in the past Shonen Jump was read almost exclusively by kids but now adult also read jump so that may be one of the reasons for this "new" nagging. Now, Mangaka, in order to satisfy these older readers, have to make sure everything is correct and doesn't become inconsistent. Oda himself feels slightly responsible for this. However, when creating a story, making sure everything is connected or all the events have been properly foreshadowed of hinted; "rules" like these do not exist. He says that, as a challenge, he created a story where everything is consistent but normally you can freely create stories without having to do all of these. Stories like "the nutcracker and the mouse king", which were created to entertain people are born through this "free" writing.
I think he certainly has a point regarding this as series like Heroaca are constantly bashed recently because some things, like Nighteye's power, seemingly don't connect together and any effort to later connect them seems like a response to the initial bashing.
I think he undersells the importance of scaling up the story. One Piece's early chapters weren't complicated and the progression was seemingly random: just some kid on a boat bumping into strange things. Sure there was already some big end goals but it took almost a year of publication to meet Sanji and to really talk about the Grand Line. The storytelling right up to Robin's joining the crew was actually fairly straightforward and free.
It's different to "not like the manga" and be "inconsistent".Oda is correct. Best example is Black Clover. I think this thread would receive it much better if we were all 12-13 and not in our early-mid 20s. Most of us love Dragon Ball but Toriyama got away with a lot of bullshit but he made it in a cool way so to speak.
One Piece was not complicated and it is not today either, the connections are very well made so you absorb it every fast and don't forget anymore. Well, Luffy was a aimless pirate with a crew in the beginning, what would you expect? It is not consistent?
I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make so bear with me. One Piece is consistent because the story stayed simple enough to manage and scaled up in a gradual way.
I agree wholeheartedly with Oda and yes One Piece's consistency is a big reason why it has remained at the top of Jump going on 20 years which would explain why the majority of its fanbase are adults that being said I don't believe inconsistency can be detrimental to appealing to adults nowadays as he claims; case in point AssClass was a huge success but there's a lot of aspects to it that don't add up and it feels like Matsui was just making shit up as he went along hence why the story twists in the last half of the manga had no weight to them but the reason why that this doesn't get called to attention much is that the core of the series was about the relationship between Koro-sensei and his students everything else was supplementary to that and it was a huge draw to readers especially those still in school or nostalgic for it. One Piece is all about its world and story structure if Oda slips up it can seemingly all fall apart whereas Toriyama can continue to introduce more and more bullshit in every new arc in Dragonball and it doesn't really matter since the story is presented that anything can happen and even the concept of death has no consequence. I don't really think its much of generation gap and more so that new series tend to have a habit of overexplaining themselves and giving away too much within the first chapter than letting the series breathe to let the readers be engrossed by its setting for themselves, the brilliance of One Piece isn't made apparent until you've read through Mihawk's first introduction and you've made aware of how engrossing it is despite it being mostly set up and through Mihawk's introduction you're made witness into Oda's first of many payoffs.Here's something interesting Oda said in an article recently put up on 2ch:
He says that when he was a kid reading Shonen Jump, most of the stories tended to be inconsistent. He liked Kinnikuman around that time. During that period of Jump, they'd introduce a new character(s) in a big fashion one week and the next week, those characters would quietly be phased out. Mangaka prioritized writing a fun and interesting story above all else and thus consistency took a backseat. Kids also didn't really care about just issues and would read it regardless so when Oda decided to become a mangaka, he decided he would make everything consistent. The past and future and all characters would be connected and wouldn't be phased out like in the past. One Piece represents this objective.
However, currently he says that people have become rather nagging about manga. They will look through the various inconsistencies or contradictions with a more fine tooth comb. He said that in the past Shonen Jump was read almost exclusively by kids but now adult also read jump so that may be one of the reasons for this "new" nagging. Now, Mangaka, in order to satisfy these older readers, have to make sure everything is correct and doesn't become inconsistent. Oda himself feels slightly responsible for this. However, when creating a story, making sure everything is connected or all the events have been properly foreshadowed of hinted; "rules" like these do not exist. He says that, as a challenge, he created a story where everything is consistent but normally you can freely create stories without having to do all of these. Stories like "the nutcracker and the mouse king", which were created to entertain people are born through this "free" writing.
I think he certainly has a point regarding this as series like Heroaca are constantly bashed recently because some things, like Nighteye's power, seemingly don't connect together and any effort to later connect them seems like a response to the initial bashing.
New color page with Takemoto means new avatar. Gonna wait for ESJ tomorrow to make a screenshot.
Because visible nips gets the hits and borderline porn makes you think with your horn.It's a ****** with plot. The plot is terrible. I honestly don't know why it sold better than yuragi
We're saying the exact opposite.