In the interest of making this match-up more nuanced, I want to ask, if both August and Irene were to fight a protracted battle of attrition, with both parties selectively and judiciously using their magic abilities rather than going all out at once, what scenarios and conditions and assumptions would enable one or the other to gain the upper hand in the long run?
We have seen inferior erza slicing through the dragon's body with inferior wendy's enhancement. Good bye Irene, you stand no chance because you have been defeated by erza who had every bones in her body broken. You cannot survive August.
August wins due to DS advantage
Was implied to have taken God Serena's powers.
Crime Sorciere couldnt so much as scratch the guy despite Cobra being a Dragon Slayer.
Melt was confirmed copied from Natsu in Gildart's flashback.
Even without DS advantage August could still win, dragons arent immune to magic
August wins due to DS advantage
Was implied to have taken God Serena's powers.
Crime Sorciere couldnt so much as scratch the guy despite Cobra being a Dragon Slayer.
Melt was confirmed copied from Natsu in Gildart's flashback.
Even without DS advantage August could still win, dragons arent immune to magic
i)Irene has shown the ability to breathe fire in her Dragon form.So it's natural Irene knows Fire Magic in her Dragon form.So Melt won't probably work on her in her Dragon form.
ii)August haven't showed the ability to copy DS Magic just by standing.Otherwise he would not have exclaimed surprise or amazement only after seeing Hyberion or Gildarts casting their magics.He would have said it as soon as he met them.
iii)Natsu has not used any spell like Melt i.e. Heat Pillar type attack.So it's clear it was not copied from him.
Lol u guys are funny let use ur logic about feats that are shown. August use meteor blitz Irene and the use crash magic to disperse her end game. Irene couldn't dodge a erza and Wendy combo. Meteor august>erza and Wendy so Irene stands no chance
i)Irene has shown the ability to breathe fire in her Dragon form.So it's natural Irene knows Fire Magic in her Dragon form.So Melt won't probably work on her in her Dragon form.
ii)August haven't showed the ability to copy DS Magic just by standing.Otherwise he would not have exclaimed surprise or amazement only after seeing Hyberion or Gildarts casting their magics.He would have said it as soon as he met them.
iii)Natsu has not used any spell like Melt i.e. Heat Pillar type attack.So it's clear it was not copied from him.
Lol u guys are funny let use ur logic about feats that are shown. August use meteor blitz and then Irene use crash magic to disperse her end game. Irene couldn't dodge a erza and Wendy combo. Meteor august>erza and Wendy so Irene stands no chance
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Irene hasn't shown to have dragon like feats (like roar or speed) just a swipe which august easily dodges
Well she did show it.Remember how she destroyed the Draganov Empire 400 years ago by using Fire Roar which is most probably Fire Dragon Slaying Magic and the traditional Fire Dragon's roar.
@Jko i expect you to stay loyal to Irene and vote her.
Well she did show it.Remember how she destroyed the Draganov Empire 400 years ago buly using Fire Roar which is most probably Fire Dragon Slaying Magic.
@Jko i expect you to stay loyal to Irene and vote her.
By the way HF natsu was able to put damage on mothrrglare so unless u think HF natsu is strongest form of natsu. Any1 from Alavez erza tier can put damage on a dragon simple which includes august dragon are not immune to magic just highly resistant
People saying that August wouldn't be able to revert Irene back to human form or use other types of magic completely ignore what August was made out to be. He showed a wide variety, and would've definitely shiwn more had Hiro not written him out so soon.
Ignoring what logically should be(August being able to use an immense pool of magic), is the same as saying Irene isn't a real dragon and we can't assume her to be as strong and durable as other dragons because she hasn't shown much to call her impressive. One D'S imbued attack weakened her severely, she only injured an already exhausted and wounded Erza (Who knows if a physically stronger MAGE would've been able to intercept that, I mean you have no proof of my claim being false).
If you take Irene's dragon form as what its made out to be, power of an average dragon. Then August is the magic king and can use an array of spells we haven't seen in the manga.
He reverts her, meteor, crash any of her countermeasures, listens to her thoughts to plan his next moves, slows her down with racers magic, and just pierces her heart.
Well she did show it.Remember how she destroyed the Draganov Empire 400 years ago by using Fire Roar which is most probably Fire Dragon Slaying Magic and the traditional Fire Dragon's roar.
@Jko i expect you to stay loyal to Irene and vote her.
Irene wins mid diff. August has no way to get past her Dragon Scales. She has absurdly higher physicals than him and her magic is greater than his in Dragon Form. Brandish thought base Irene could beat him and she didn't even know that Irene was a Dragon lol. Dragon Form boosts her MP by a lot. She can summon a freaking enhanced Meteor planetoids away that would've destroyed a country's worth of land and she didn't even break a sweat (while August had to suicide to use an attack of that scale lol). She reshaped a country that banished Acno from the land way longer than even a Time Lapse, and she did that casually and held that enchantment the entire war. She made 2 million fodder a bunch of Erza class warriors by a mere stave tap. She outperformed August throughout the war with on-panel feats, and has done a fudge ton more spells than he has.
August is biting the dust. All hail Queen Irene, she is numero uno amongst the S12.
Irene wins mid diff. August has no way to get past her Dragon Scales. She has absurdly higher physicals than him and her magic is greater than his in Dragon Form. Brandish thought base Irene could beat him and she didn't even know that Irene was a Dragon lol. Dragon Form boosts her MP by a lot. She can summon a freaking enhanced Meteor planetoids away that would've destroyed a country's worth of land and she didn't even break a sweat (while August had too suicide to use an attack of that scale lol). She reshaped a country that banished Acno from the land way longer than even a Time Lapse, and she did that casually and held that enchantment the entire war. She made a 2 million fodder a bunch of Erza class warriors by a mere stave tap. She outperformed August throughout the war with on-panel feats, and has done a fudge ton more spells than he has.
August is biting the dust. All hail Queen Irene, she is numero uno amongst the S12.
Add to that she can use Dragon's Roar which most probably is Fire.So she will be able to negate Melt and add in her enchantments in her Dragon form,she can probably nullify that attack.
How can so many good posters vote for Irene in this fight? Wut? She has no chance whatsoever. This match should be a given. She herself inadvertently admits inferiority to August guys come on. She said, "I am the strongest woman of Alvarez". And what is August's opinion of the matter, "I, the strongest of the Spriggan 12".
This is a clear indication of how each of them perceives where they stand. August knows he is the strongest Spriggan and Irene knows she is the strongest woman. Neither of them are cocky like Ajeel and are entirely rational in their judgements. Mashima himself confirmed that August is stronger by dedicating a chapter title to him called "The strongest mage".
Come on. It is canon. This isn't even a character statement this is the author himself telling us how things stand. Asides from that, August is the general of the Spriggan twelve. The one who leads even Irene. He even butted heads with Irene within the story after she didn't listen to what he said. What happened at the end of that exchange? Irene submitted to his will. A showdown would have happened if she didn't listen to him and she knew the end result of that.
He was also the last to fall amongst the Spriggan like Kyouka in Tartaros and Jura in GMG.
August can't harm Irene? Even if he can't directly copy DS magic:
A) It was very strongly implied that he took Serena's lacrima with him.
B) We know Dragon Slayer magic can be temporarily transferred to other users as Wendy a novice slayer used it on Erza to ONESHOT Irene from her dragon form. August simply has to use Historia to resurrect Serena so that he can transfer his DS properties on to August's attacks. Problem solved.
Asides from this he has incredible durability feats of brushing off Gildarts's strongest shown attack. He has an insane amount of magics at his disposal and is basically flawless as a combatant. He never got showed up by Wendy either. He is the clear winner here.
Irene wins mid diff. August has no way to get past her Dragon Scales. She has absurdly higher physicals than him and her magic is greater than his in Dragon Form. Brandish thought base Irene could beat him and she didn't even know that Irene was a Dragon lol. Dragon Form boosts her MP by a lot. She can summon a freaking enhanced Meteor planetoids away that would've destroyed a country's worth of land and she didn't even break a sweat (while August had too suicide to use an attack of that scale lol). She reshaped a country that banished Acno from the land way longer than even a Time Lapse, and she did that casually and held that enchantment the entire war. She made a 2 million fodder a bunch of Erza class warriors by a mere stave tap. She outperformed August throughout the war with on-panel feats, and has done a fudge ton more spells than he has.
August is biting the dust. All hail Queen Irene, she is numero uno amongst the S12.
Narrative portrayal and shounen stereotyping of antagonists power levels disagree with that. August was the last spriggan standing for a reason.
He got the least beat up amongst all antagonists so far this arc.
We can agree he performed the best out of all the spriggans. He is general for a reason. Mashima saved him last for a reason. He got injured least for a goof reason.
Who' s to say she even stays in dragon form? He could just as easily paralyse her in human form by means of an elevated form of hyberion's vampire magic. Crash her enchantment or slow her down with race's magic.
He could listen to her thoughts and stay one step ahead. He is faster than her by means of meteor. Doesn't seem like dragon form is the decisive factor here.
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Interesting dynamic I wanted to comment on!
Neinhart and Irene seem to share a deeper bond amongst twelve. Neinhart being obviously frightened of her.
It wouldn't be too farfetched for August to know the magic of his fellow spriggan 12. I mean he even knew about GS magic that the GOI weren't even aware of.
Imagine August using historical of the dead on Irene. To shock her. Immobilization by means of conjuring up memories from her messed up past. Her husband appearing before her suddenly. Or better yet, conjuring up belserion.
August has enough MP to do that. Think about it. This many be the reason why Neinhart is so frightened of Irene. He looked into her past, she noticed, punished him accordingly. A probable weak spot.
How can so many good posters vote for Irene in this fight? Wut? She has no chance whatsoever. This match should be a given. She herself inadvertently admits inferiority to August guys come on. She said, "I am the strongest woman of Alvarez". And what is August's opinion of the matter, "I, the strongest of the Spriggan 12".
This is a clear indication of how each of them perceives where they stand. August knows he is the strongest Spriggan and Irene knows she is the strongest woman. Neither of them are cocky like Ajeel and are entirely rational in their judgements. Mashima himself confirmed that August is stronger by dedicating a chapter title to him called "The strongest mage".
Come on. It is canon. This isn't even a character statement this is the author himself telling us how things stand. Asides from that, August is the general of the Spriggan twelve. The one who leads even Irene. He even butted heads with Irene within the story after she didn't listen to what he said. What happened at the end of that exchange? Irene submitted to his will. A showdown would have happened if she didn't listen to him and she knew the end result of that.
August can't harm Irene? Even if he can't directly copy DS magic.
A) It was very strongly implied that he took Serena's lacrima with him.
B) We know Dragon Slayer magic can be temporarily transferred to other users as Wendy a novice slayer used it on Erza to ONESHOT Irene from her dragon form. August simply has to use Historia to resurrect Serena so that he can transfer his DS properties on to August's attacks. Problem solved.
Asides from this he has incredible durability feats of brushing off Gildarts's strongest shown attack. He has an insane amount of magics at his disposal and is basically flawless as a combatant. He never got showed up by Wendy either. He is the clear winner here.
Well i normally agree with you but i will say some points:-
i)When August forced Irene to submit,she did say that she will do "this time only" to keep August's face.
ii)Most probably August is the General because he is loyal and follows Zeref completely.While Irene goes in her own way.
iii)Both of their MP was thought to be nearly same by Mirajane and Mavis.They didn't even see her Dragon form.Even if August has more M.P. still he has to defeat a Dragon.
iv)And also Irene had probably defeated Sting and Rogue in the northern front because they didn't face Larcade and Bloodman didn't know Shadow Magic or Holy Magic.So she has defeated Dragon Slayers.
