You bastards
You dare give Jiemma all those high scores
That means you agree Sting and Rogue can solo all the Nine Demon Gates
This is legit the only result that triggered me out of all this rating How did he even get this high?!
Also how is Zero in the top 10? That loser can't even beat GMG Sting.
Top 8
Mard Geer
Kyouka
Silver
Seilah
Hades
Bluenote
Ultear
Zero
Honestly feel like Silver (Flash Freeze), Seilah (Macro), and Kyouka (Enhance Curse and Sense Curse) have the hax to beat out Hades. Mard Geer just outclasses everyone.
Also how is Zero in the top 10? That loser can't even beat GMG Sting.
Top 8
Mard Geer
Kyouka
Silver
Seilah
Hades
Bluenote
Ultear
Zero
Honestly feel like Silver (Flash Freeze), Seilah (Macro), and Kyouka (Enhance Curse and Sense Curse) have the hax to beat out Hades. Mard Geer just outclasses everyone.
Kyouka, Silver and Seilah(wth) over Hades. Now I've seen everything. These are all Tartaros Erza level characters. I wouldn't put any of them above Tenrou Laxus. None of them have high speed feats, a single amaterasu spell will beat them.
I put Hades with his heart at number 1 because with it he hasnt been defeated, even the combined power of Natsu, Gray, Erza, Lucy, Wendy and Laxus couldnt even come close to beating him. Plus for me, mid diffing Makarov>>>everyone elses feats. Amaterasu 100 and Grimoire Law are both easily the strongest attacks here too imo.
Great event guys! The rankings are looking pretty decent. Nothing too disastrous.
Anyways, contrary to what some people think, I do believe Zero should be in the Top 10 (easily). He blocked a secret art from Base Natsu using Genesis Zero and was only defeated by DF Natsu's strongest attack. Keep in mind that this was a couple of months before the Tenrou Arc. Meaning, of all the mages on this list, there are only a few that would rank above him.
As for Tempesta vs Torafusa, I think they're pretty much equal. The character cards doesn't really indicate who is stronger. If you look at manga feats, Tempesta has better spell diversity and magic damage while Torafusa has better physicals and piercing attacks. In terms of defense, both are quite similar. Torafusa tanked ISDM Gajeel's roar and Tempesta tanked LFD Natsu's secret art. Basically, it's too close to call.
I put Hades with his heart at number 1 because with it he hasnt been defeated, even the combined power of Natsu, Gray, Erza, Lucy, Wendy and Laxus couldnt even come close to beating him. Plus for me, mid diffing Makarov>>>everyone elses feats. Amaterasu 100 and Grimoire Law are both easily the strongest attacks here too imo.
I'd say fighting the CSK,Sting,Rogue,Natsu and Gray should be much more than what Hades took on.Especially since the CSK should at least be superior to Tartaros Laxus,Natsu and Gray should be stronger than their Tenrou selves and Sting and Rogue combined should be stronger than a team up of Lucy and Wendy.
Memento Mori>>>>>>Anything Hades showed.
I'd say fighting the CSK,Sting,Rogue,Natsu and Gray should be much more than what Hades took on.Especially since the CSK should at least be superior to Tartaros Laxus,Natsu and Gray should be stronger than their Tenrou selves and Sting and Rogue combined should be stronger than a team up of Lucy and Wendy.
Memento Mori>>>>>>Anything Hades showed.
Mard Geer didnt defeat any of those opponents, he left Jiemma to take care of Sting and Rogue, and had Jackal draining all of Lucy's energy, which resulted in the CSK weakening and ultimately disappearing. While he took Natsu and Gray on himself.
Hades on the other hand defeated all his opponents, laughing off all the damage he received doing so, until Team Happy destroyed his heart.and Ultear recharged FT's MP.
So in the end, Mard Geer+Jiemma+Jackal lost to the CSK+Sting+Rogue+Natsu+Gray' and his Devil Slaying advantage.
While Hades alone lost to Makarov+Laxus+Natsu+Erza+Lucy+Gray+Wendy+Ultear and even then Hades with his heart didnt lose, because the Exceeds destroyed it
Forgot about Memento Mori, but its as featless as Grimoire Law.
Ameterasu 100 is stronger. Beating Makarov with it>not beating Gray with Memento Mori.
DeS Gray + DF Natsu >>>>>>>>> Tenrou Team Natsu + Tenrou Laxus. Mard Geer is definitely superior to Hades. Hades lost to a way weaker version of Team Natsu. Mard was unphased by Tartarus LFD Natsu, and was only pressured by CSK, DF Natsu, and DeS Gray. Momento Mori oneshots but he won't need it as his vines would suffice.
SO boosted Team Natsu by a huge amount. Tenrou versions would be curbed by their Tartarus versions
Mard Geer didnt defeat any of those opponents, he left Jiemma to take care of Sting and Rogue, and had Jackal draining all of Lucy's energy, which resulted in the CSK weakening and ultimately disappearing. While he took Natsu and Gray on himself.
Hades on the other hand defeated all his opponents, laughing off all the damage he received doing so, until Team Happy destroyed his heart.and Ultear recharged FT's MP.
So in the end, Mard Geer+Jiemma+Jackal lost to the CSK+Sting+Rogue+Natsu+Gray' and his Devil Slaying advantage.
While Hades alone lost to Makarov+Laxus+Natsu+Erza+Lucy+Gray+Wendy+Ultear and even then Hades with his heart didnt lose, because the Exceeds destroyed it
Forgot about Memento Mori, but its as featless as Grimoire Law.
Ameterasu 100 is stronger. Beating Makarov with it>not beating Gray with Memento Mori.
DeS Gray + DF Natsu >>>>>>>>> Tenrou Team Natsu + Tenrou Laxus. Mard Geer is definitely superior to Hades. Hades lost to a way weaker version of Team Natsu. Mard was unphased by Tartarus LFD Natsu, and was only pressured by CSK, DF Natsu, and DeS Gray. Momento Mori oneshots but he won't need it as his vines would suffice.
SO boosted Team Natsu by a huge amount. Tenrou versions would be curbed by their Tartarus versions
Well Jko i agree with all your points but one point i need to make.Tenrou LFD Natsu and Tartaros LFD Natsu is different.LFD decreased in power with every usage.
I believe Mard Geer is stronger than Hades.One of the reasons he faced much stronger version of Fairy Tail.
Well Jko i agree with all your points but one point i need to make.Tenrou LFD Natsu and Tartaros LFD Natsu is different.LFD decreased in power with every usage.
It was only decreased due to Natsu not having enough MP to sustain the form. After Second Origin his MP skyrocketed to the point he can casually use LFD. Even empowered by Laxus' MP Natsu could only sustain LFD for a few moves, and Pre-SO Natsu could only sustain LFD for one attack (which is why it was weaker). SO Natsu is definetely above Tenrou LFD Natsu, and it is proven by the fact that SO Natsu can use LFD casually despite its massive magical consumption while Tenrou LFD Natsu could only use it for a minute or two and be completely wasted.
DeS Gray + DF Natsu >>>>>>>>> Tenrou Team Natsu + Tenrou Laxus. Mard Geer is definitely superior to Hades. Hades lost to a way weaker version of Team Natsu. Mard was unphased by Tartarus LFD Natsu, and was only pressured by CSK, DF Natsu, and DeS Gray. Momento Mori oneshots but he won't need it as his vines would suffice.
SO boosted Team Natsu by a huge amount. Tenrou versions would be curbed by their Tartarus versions
An exaggeration, they are twice as strong as they were on Tenrou, so at best Tartaros Natsu+Gray>>Tenrou Natsu+Gray.
Tenrou Erza+Gray+Natsu+Lucy+Wendy=Tartararos Natsu+Gray, more or less anyway.
Mard didnt fight LFD Natsu, he tanked a single LFD attack, Hades tanked a quadruple Unison Raid from Gray+Natsu+Wendy+Lucy, and that was when he was still holding back his power. Quadruple Unison Raid>>LFD Hammer
Natsu empowered with Laxus magic>=Tartarus DF Natsu
This is Hades with his heart, and Hades with his heart lost to no one, in fact no one even came close to beating him with his heart. The only reason im willing to put Mard Geer on the same tier as him is because he was beaten with DeS advantage, if it wasnt for that fact Hades would mid diff him, like he mid diffed Makarov.
Mard's vines arent even enough for BASE Sting and Rogue dude and you think he can beat Hades with them.... either you vastly overrate those two, or you massively underrate Hades. Base Sting and Rogue together are barely above Tenrou Erza, who Hades no diffed while she was enchanted by the all powerful Wendy.
I put Hades with his heart at number 1 because with it he hasnt been defeated, even the combined power of Natsu, Gray, Erza, Lucy, Wendy and Laxus couldnt even come close to beating him. Plus for me, mid diffing Makarov>>>everyone elses feats. Amaterasu 100 and Grimoire Law are both easily the strongest attacks here too imo.
Well pal from what i saw in that battle hades was facing half dead erza, gray who just had there fights early on and came there unhealed. Besidesonly guys who did major damage to hades was laxus and lfdm natsu before exceeds destroyed the hearts.I think ultear's role is also forgotten she revived the tenrou tree which gave ft members power back.
Now compare that to mard geer who actually three ds in base, fought CSK and took on everything from des gray and df natsu to beat him , I think mard should be no. 1, but yeah hades should be no. 2
Well pal from what i saw in that battle hades was facing half dead erza, gray who just had there fights early on and came there unhealed. Besidesonly guys who did major damage to hades was laxus and lfdm natsu before exceeds destroyed the hearts.I think ultear's role is also forgotten she revived the tenrou tree which gave ft members power back.
Now compare that to mard geer who actually three ds in base, fought CSK and took on everything from des gray and df natsu to beat him , I think mard should be no. 1, but yeah hades should be no. 2
Meh, everyone except Sting and Rogue was half dead when they fought Mard too, Natsu was unconscious from poisoning like 15 minutes earlier... A characters health going into a battle rarely affects anything in this manga, not unless its explicitly mentioned in the fight.
Didnt forget Ultear's role, i mentioned her somewhere in my debate with Jko, read that if youre interested in an in depth explanation for why i think Hades is number 1. If not, i'll just say i do think Hades and Mard are on the same tier, but imo Hades edges him out cause he was never really beaten, not with his heart anyway.
How did he even get this high?! 
