Discussion Fairy Tail Second Movie "Dragon Cry"

[Doughboy]

It seemed ne could trigger at will at a death state (I'm guessing he was immortal being tied to Zeref) and his deaths triggered END, like a pheonix, while at a highly emotional state (Lucy giving him memories of his nakama). Now that Igneel left his body, he could use that form?

I kinda buy this but it's just topsy-turvy regarding the canon timeline. I mean One Magic = Love which is PoF but just doesn't make clear sense how he accessed END power before the demonic power became active after Zeref pierced his book, letting it become available to him. A good moment is right after Natsu had no idea what it was which followed-up great to when Zeref revealed he was END and not from this timeline.

 

[Reebi]

I kinda buy this but it's just topsy-turvy regarding the canon timeline. I mean One Magic = Love which is PoF but just doesn't make clear sense how he accessed END power before the demonic power became active after Zeref pierced his book, letting it become available to him. A good moment is right after Natsu had no idea what it was which followed-up great to when Zeref revealed he was END and not from this timeline.

That's why it's semi-canon. The way I see it everything but Dragon Cry (and the story involving it) is canon. That means FT being hired to retrieve it or Animus trying to retain his original form, the main plot line etc wasn't in the canon storyline. However, Arcnologia and Zeref is canon as well as Sonya's fake death.

 

[Angiecakes1990]

I was, and the entire theatre, was dying from laughter at that part.

Acnologia back story, Nalu moments, END.

It seemed ne could trigger at will at a death state (I'm guessing he was immortal being tied to Zeref) and his deaths triggered END, like a pheonix, while at a highly emotional state (Lucy giving him memories of his nakama). Now that Igneel left his body, he could use that form?

I didn't laugh sorry I thought it was stupid but thats my opinion
yep nalu moments I loved too but I did laugh when Gray shivered though lol

 

[Doughboy]

The flashback when Natsu was almost killed by Animus and thought of everyone I have to admit Erza was pretty in it, her fights blow me to the point that I almost forgot

 

[Angiecakes1990]

The flashback when Natsu was almost killed by Animus and thought of everyone I have to admit Erza was pretty in it, her fights blow me to the point that I almost forgot

it was pretty good it shows us how powerful they all gotten after that 1 year and I'm guessing Erza learned that spell from Jellal hehe I was kinda disappointed with Gray I mean yea we got to see his new Ice Devil Slayer power but not at its full limit like in Tartaros or Alvarez Arc

yeah Natsu's flashback I was actually surprised Happy wasn't in it lol but his flashback of Lucy was beyond cute looks like they were on a date

 

[Reebi]

it was pretty good it shows us how powerful they all gotten after that 1 year and I'm guessing Erza learned that spell from Jellal hehe I was kinda disappointed with Gray I mean yea we got to see his new Ice Devil Slayer power but not at its full limit like in Tartaros or Alvarez Arc

yeah Natsu's flashback I was actually surprised Happy wasn't in it lol but his flashback of Lucy was beyond cute looks like they were on a date

Erza's fight had to be the low point. She could have easily taken that Mira clone down but plot made it crappy. I'm guessing if Irene could use Jellal's magic, Erza could (he could have taught her like how Evergreen knows runes) but it would have been better if Erza beat her using her own intelligence and skills. Lucy's fight was too short but the sunglasses was a good counter but he had to run away

 

[Doughboy]

Erza vs. Swan for an ERZA fight was great to me, I legit enjoyed it the entire way from start to finish. She set the bar so low so that's probably why I liked it so much. Swan's method of fighting was interesting too.

 

[Angiecakes1990]

Erza's fight had to be the low point. She could have easily taken that Mira clone down but plot made it crappy. I'm guessing if Irene could use Jellal's magic, Erza could (he could have taught her like how Evergreen knows runes) but it would have been better if Erza beat her using her own intelligence and skills. Lucy's fight was too short but the sunglasses was a good counter but he had to run away

yeah but he had it coming at the end

 

[Reebi]

Erza vs. Swan for an ERZA fight was great to me, I legit enjoyed it the entire way from start to finish. She set the bar so low so that's probably why I liked it so much. Swan's method of fighting was interesting too.

I did liked her fighting style. She has thunder calves to go with thunder thighs

 

[CaptainTorch]

Bro trust me you're wrong lol, you should just watch the movie to see what everyone else is seeing. Promotions don't mean anything, him using END power is very dragon-like. Shit, even Mard Geer in his Etherious Form doesn't look too much different than Natsu doesn't he? How can you explain the antibodies in his body? They suddenly just stopped working when Igneel said none of the 5 will turn into a dragon? Not just that, if he really dragonized why would he just go partial transformation when we saw Irene completely transform? It's plot holes regarding the canon timeline of how he accessed END power but it's END, no question about it.

I actually did watch the movie(granted on youtube with shitty quality)
And I really don't see any indication of why that form would be END, except Animus himself calling Natsu's identity END.
Everything in the promotions, movie itself and even Natsu's Dragon Force in the manga showcases that it's actually his Dragon Force power. And no, Mard Geer's transformation doesn't look anything like a dragon.
And since Natsu didn't really transform into a dragon, the antibodies reasoning is null. Plus, this power being END actually creates more plotholes in the story.
First of all, the designs of the movie form and the manga's "END" form are completely different. In the movie Natsu has a dragonic looking form that has dragon claws, dragon wings, etc. Also it's half of his body just like his Dragon Force. And his END form gives him black demon claws, and a black aura. Or do you think Hiro just decided to suddenly switch designs out of nowhere?
Plus, when Natsu transformed into his form in the movie, he was shouting about his friends and how he will protect them. But as we know his END form makes him super agressive, to the point that he even attacked Gray with the intent to kill.
Everything contradicts this form being END except one point, and even then, this point can be explained(END being his identity not "form").

 

[Doughboy]

And I really don't see any indication of why that form would be END, except Animus himself calling Natsu's identity END.

Animus said after Natsu transformed: "you're also a dragon!?" then after Natsu was beating his ass up a bit he then said "I have recognized you, your true form. You're the one who destroys everything. END." How can you explain that he recognized his true form after he claimed he was a dragon? Why would he even say that if he was a dragon in the first place?

Everything in the promotions, movie itself and even Natsu's Dragon Force in the manga showcases that it's actually his Dragon Force power.

What is "Dragon Force power"? Is that even canon? Natsu's Dragon Force was on both sides of his face, it just looked like it was on one side.

And since Natsu didn't really transform into a dragon, the antibodies reasoning is null. Plus, this power being END actually creates more plotholes in the story.

That makes no sense. Why would he half-transform into a dragon when the antibodies prevent him from turning into a dragon at all? Zeref even said "I wish you had the power to turn into a dragon END". Meaning he can't transform into a dragon. If you claim this thought then why didn't the other 4 dragon slayers half-transform too? There's never been any half-transformation in-series.

First of all, the designs of the movie form and the manga's "END" form are completely different. In the movie Natsu has a dragonic looking form that has dragon claws, dragon wings, etc. Also it's half of his body just like his Dragon Force. And his END form gives him black demon claws, and a black aura. Or do you think Hiro just decided to suddenly switch designs out of nowhere?

Where did you get it was black flames? It's never been in color what kind of flames it is so we can't say it was black until we see it. The only canon coloring we got was on the Vol 59 cover and those flames surrounding him are red. This pic kinda adds up that OharaLibrian made:

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Plus Hiro has switched shit around before so that's not uncommon.

Plus, when Natsu transformed into his form in the movie, he was shouting about his friends and how he will protect them. But as we know his END form makes him super agressive, to the point that he even attacked Gray with the intent to kill.

He wasn't aggressive when he killed Animus? Plus he retained his sanity when he fought Gray and listened to Erza when she stopped him. His Etherious instinct just came into play, all it was. Fam trust me, I was skeptical as hell like you and it's plot holes regarding the canonical timeline but it was END, it would of made no sense if he dragonized with antibodies in him.

 

[Reebi]

Animus said after Natsu transformed: "you're also a dragon!?" then after Natsu was beating his ass up a bit he then said "I have recognized you, your true form. You're the one who destroys everything. END." How can you explain that he recognized his true form after he claimed he was a dragon? Why would he even say that if he was a dragon in the first place?



What is "Dragon Force power"? Is that even canon? Natsu's Dragon Force was on both sides of his face, it just looked like it was on one side.



That makes no sense. Why would he half-transform into a dragon when the antibodies prevent him from turning into a dragon at all? Zeref even said "I wish you had the power to turn into a dragon END". Meaning he can't transform into a dragon. If you claim this thought then why didn't the other 4 dragon slayers half-transform too? There's never been any half-transformation in-series.



Where did you get it was black flames? It's never been in color what kind of flames it is so we can't say it was black until we see it. The only canon coloring we got was on the Vol 59 cover and those flames surrounding him are red. This pic kinda adds up that OharaLibrian made:

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Plus Hiro has switched shit around before so that's not uncommon.



He wasn't aggressive when he killed Animus? Plus he retained his sanity when he fought Gray and listened to Erza when she stopped him. His Etherious instinct just came into play, all it was. Fam trust me, I was skeptical as hell like you and it's plot holes regarding the canonical timeline but it was END, it would of made no sense if he dragonized with antibodies in him.

He did ask Lucy what he looked like so he knew he transformed into a beast.

 

[Angiecakes1990]

He did ask Lucy what he looked like so he knew he transformed into a beast.

yeah at the beginning and end

 

[Reebi]

As for the drahon vs demon thing, his dragon and demon seeds were starting to fuse together so it would make sense END is a half dragon.

yeah at the beginning and end

The beginning because she said Plue looked like a dog and he thought there was something wrong with her eyes. The end because he lost himself and wanted to be sure he was still human. He even said he didn't need his flesh and bones so he knew he was a beast.

 

[Crescent Jinx]

Is it just me or does Zash look like a creepy less blonde version of Jude Heartfilia?

Which makes me very disturbed about what was running through Mashima head when he created certain parts of this movie......

 

[Cat Sidhe26]

Is it just me or does Zash look like a creepy less blonde version of Jude Heartfilia?

Which makes me very disturbed about what was running through Mashima head when he created certain parts of this movie......

I never noticed that Zash looked liked Jude until you brought it up. Maybe Well I don't know maybe incest was going Mashima head at the time.

 

[Crescent Jinx]

I never noticed that Zash looked liked Jude until you brought it up. Maybe Well I don't know maybe incest was going Mashima head at the time.

I dunno but I have seen a lot of comments under videos and chapters of people new to the series when Lucy was back flashing on Jude in PL that he was abusive. Then later it was explained he was merely neglectful.

So I always wondered if Mashima had an intent of wanting to give an impression in those initial memories of Jude when she was with Jose in the dungeon that he was child molester. A lot of fan fictions have Jude portrayed that way because she looked so much like Layla. Which I find creepy af and also why I always say Mashima needs to stay off FFN for his plots.

 

[Reebi]

Is it just me or does Zash look like a creepy less blonde version of Jude Heartfilia?

Which makes me very disturbed about what was running through Mashima head when he created certain parts of this movie......

The entire movie I was wondering who he resembled

 

[Angiecakes1990]

As for the drahon vs demon thing, his dragon and demon seeds were starting to fuse together so it would make sense END is a half dragon.


The beginning because she said Plue looked like a dog and he thought there was something wrong with her eyes. The end because he lost himself and wanted to be sure he was still human. He even said he didn't need his flesh and bones so he knew he was a beast.

well we all knew I mean his destructive power but love how he was more concerned on what he looked like towards Lucy

 

[Arjuna]

END form in the movie was alright but Hiro could have added similar to this personality wise

Spoiler: D Gray Man