Discussion Earth Land Mages Rate - THE ULTIMATE POWER RANKING [BIG FINALE + STATISTICS]

[BluePegasus]

STATISTICS

Spoiler: Alakitasia ranking

1). Irene Belserion - 12,200
6). Larcade Dragneel - 10,683
7). DiMaria Yesta - 10,667
9). God Serena - 10,017
11). Brandish μ - 9,533
12). Bloodman - 9,300
15). Invel Yura - 9,117
16). Wall Eehto - 9,017
18). Ajeel Ramal - 8,383
19). Jacob Lessio - 8,183
24). Neinhart - 7,450
Average: 9,504545

Spoiler: Ishgar ranking

2). Natsu Dragneel - 11,750
3). Gildarts Clive - 11,583
4). Laxus Dreyar - 11,167
5). Jellal Fernandes - 11,100
8). Erza Scarlet - 10,083
10). Gray Fullbuster - 9,950
13). Gajeel Redfox - 9,267
14). Sting Eucliffe - 9,233
17). TO Sherria Blendy - 8,850
20). Mard Geer - 8,167
21). Mirajane Strauss - 7,983
22). Precht Gaebolg - 7,917
23). Lucy Heartfilia - 7,733
25). Future Rogue Cheney - 7,383
26). Kagura Mikazuchi - 7,333
27). Wendy Marvell - 7,033
28). Silver Fullbuster - 6,750
29). Minerva Orland - 6,683
30). Kyoka - 6,550
31). Ultear Milkovich - 6,283
32). Rogue Cheney - 6,233
33). Erik “Cobra” - 5,983
34). Macbeth “Midnight” - 5,950
35). Arlock - 5,850
36). Lyon Vastia - 5,067
37). Cana Alberona - 4,867
38). Elfman Strauss - 4,483
Average: 7,82337

The winning continent is..

Spoiler

Alakitasia

Spoiler: Guild ranking

Spriggan Twelve
1). Irene Belserion - 12,200
6). Larcade Dragneel - 10,683
7). DiMaria Yesta - 10,667
9). God Serena - 10,017
11). Brandish μ - 9,533
12). Bloodman - 9,300
15). Invel Yura - 9,117
16). Wall Eehto - 9,017
18). Ajeel Ramal - 8,383
19). Jacob Lessio - 8,183
24). Neinhart - 7,450
Average: 9,504545

Fairy Tail
2). Natsu Dragneel - 11,750
3). Gildarts Clive - 11,583
4). Laxus Dreyar - 11,167
8). Erza Scarlet - 10,083
10). Gray Fullbuster - 9,950
13). Gajeel Redfox - 9,267
21). Mirajane Strauss - 7,983
23). Lucy Heartfilia - 7,733
27). Wendy Marvell - 7,033
37). Cana Alberona - 4,867
38). Elfman Strauss - 4.483
Average: 8,718091

Sabertooth
14). Sting Eucliffe - 9,233
25). Future Rogue Cheney - 7,383
29). Minerva Orland - 6,683
32). Rogue Cheney - 6,233
Average: 7,383

Crime Sorciere
5). Jellal Fernandes - 11,100
31). Ultear Milkovich - 6,283
33). Erik “Cobra" - 5,983
34). Macbeth “Midnight” - 5,950
Average: 7,329

Lamia Scale
17). Sherria Blendy - 8,850
36) Lyon Vastia - 5,067
Average: 6,9585

Mermaid Heel
26). Kagura Mikazuchi - 7,333
Average: 7,333

Tartaros
20). Mard Geer - 8,167
28). Silver Fullbuster - 6,750
30). Kyoka - 6,550
Average: 7,155667

Grimoire Heart
22). Precht Gaebolg - 7,917
Average: 7,917

Avatar
35). Arlock - 5,850
Average: 5,850

(Balam Alliance
20). Mard Geer - 8,167
22). Precht Gaebolg - 7,917
28). Silver Fullbuster - 6,750
30). Kyoka - 6,550
Average: 7,346)

Most 13's
1). Natsu x 11
2). Irene x 10
3). Gildarts x 4
4). Larcade x 2
5). Laxus x 1, DiMaria x 1, Lucy x 1

 

[Gryffindor]

Well that was one heck of a ride, wasn't it? Here is the full list with links to the elimination posts in case anyone ever feels like checking them out again.

[post=4599653] 1) Irene Belserion-12.200[/post]
[post=4599652] 2) Natsu Dragneel-11.750[/post]
[post=4599651] 3) Gildarts Clive-11.583[/post]
[post=4598583] 4) Laxus Dreyar-11.167[/post]
[post=4597382] 5) Jellal Fernandes-11.100[/post]
[post=4597225] 6) Larcade Dragneel-10.683[/post]
[post=4596413] 7) DiMaria Yesta-10.667[/post]
[post=4595925] 8) Erza Scarlet-10.083[/post]
[post=4595453] 9) God Serena-10.017[/post]
[post=4595191] 10) Gray Fullbuster-9.950[/post]
[post=4594738] 11) Brandish µ-9.533[/post]
[post=4593900] 12) Bradman-9.300[/post]
[post=4593439] 13) Gajeel Redfox-9.267[/post]
[post=4593248] 14) Sting Eucliffe-9.233[/post]
[post=4592900] 15) Invel Yura-9.117[/post]
[post=4592813] 16) Wall Eehto-9.017[/post]
[post=4592320] 17) Sherria Blendy-8.850[/post]
[post=4591927] 18) Ajeel Ramal-8.383[/post]
[post=4591726] 19) Jacob Lessio-8.183[/post]
[post=4591475] 20) Mard Geer-8.167[/post]
[post=4591231] 21) Mirajane Strauss-7.983[/post]
[post=4591204] 22) Precht Gaebolg-7.917[/post]
[post=4591058] 23) Lucy Heartfilia-7.733[/post]
[post=4590919] 24) Neinhart-7.450[/post]
[post=4590697] 25) Future Rogue Cheney-7.383[/post]
[post=4590248] 26) Kagura Mikazuchi-7.333[/post]
[post=4590163] 27) Wendy Marvell-7.033[/post]
[post=4589984] 28) Silver Fullbuster-6.750[/post]
[post=4589777] 29) Minerva Orland-6.683[/post]
[post=4589556] 30) Kyoka-6.550[/post]
[post=4589279] 31) Ultear Milkovich-6.283[/post]
[post=4589053] 32) Rogue Cheney-6.233[/post]
[post=4589013] 33) Erik "Cobra"-5.983[/post]
[post=4588937] 34) Macbeth "Midnight"-5.950[/post]
[post=4588113] 35) Arlock-5.850[/post]
[post=4587925] 36) Lyon Vastia-5.067[/post]
[post=4587728] 37) Cana Alberona-4.867[/post]
[post=4587607] 38) Elfman Strauss-4.483[/post]​

 

[Ebony Maw]

Before I end this rate officially, I just want to thank everyone who took part in it.

Thank you to everyone who voted, and even to those who didn't, the discussion in this thread has been incredibly interesting and outright entertaining.

Big thanks to my fellow hosts @BluePegasus, @Emperor Spriggan and @Gryffindor, you guys really upped your game in this rating and it wouldn't have been possible without you. The same goes to @Brandish @DiMaria Yesta @Crescent_jinxgrace @Takuan @~Charging Lightning~ and @Belserion, you all did fantastic posts!

And in general I want to thank the mods for making this run so smoothly, I know for a fact that this thread easily could have turned to chaos without their intervention. In particular I want to thank @Brandish for sticky-ing the thread, this thread wouldn't have been anywhere near as active if it wasn't for you.

I hope everyone enjoyed that the rate, as now....

This poster was made by @Valhalla777, big thanks to him!

THE EARTH LAND MAGES RATE IS OFFICIALLY OVER!​

 

[Raven]

It is certainly an assumption on my part, never denied that, but its one that im sticking with. And no, END isnt the only one who can walk through Age Seal, the criteria is clear, if you are more powerful than Chronos you can walk through Age Seal. Or are you saying people like Acnologia cant walk through it?

I didnt say Gray matched current Natsu, so there is nothing for me to move on from.
Gray's offense is scrub? Gray's offense was matching END's equally, the same guy who massacred Dimaria lol.

All i said was that in Dimaria's flashback, END didnt have those claws, so by your logic he shouldve been weaker. You're argument doesnt even make sense, according to you Natsu was becoming more and more demon-like, but at the same time you're saying the Natsu that fought Dimaria was stronger than the one that fought Gray afterwards? Does he become weaker the more he transforms? Get your story straight.
Igneel only said that he had to choose a seed or he would die, he didnt say his transformation would be greater than his previous one upon choosing it.
Bottom line? Your "Complete END" doesnt exist, you think there could have been if he fought longer is immaterial, because in the end it never appeared and we will never know. There is no point discussing it further.

Acnologia can eat magic plus he is a dragon. She needs to be a dragon slayer to defeat him if her magic does work which i highly doubt.

Good.

His magic is more stronger against demons that's why it's called "Demon slaying magic" made to deal with demons, Matching END is good feat but that because he is buffed with an advantage magic, He won't be as strong against Dimaria.

The seeds are the reason for demonzing or dragonzing, He told him to choose to be a demon or a dragon not a human by picking one seed. Natsu choosed to be human tho and he woke up as a human.

You said his hands is normal in Dimaria's POV. You're assuming that he used his normal hands to beat Dimaria without demonizing. What happened between them is still a mystery. I never said that he was stronger against Dimaria, I said maybe he went full demonzied on her and because ofc a full transform would be more powerful so you can't use an off panel fight to prove anything, whether he full demonized on her or didn't we can't really tell but her face looked like she saw a real monster. .

 

[Jko]

Natsu fought to only move Gray out of his way while Gray was bloodlusted.

Spoiler

Natsu went for the kill on DiMaria (and he attacked her from the back).

Spoiler

There's a huge difference from fighting a friend to fighting to kill. Bloodlusted Natsu would merk Gray.

DiMaria > Gray and Blodlusted Natsu > Both. Gray was not even with END. He was going for the kill while Natsu held back. If he wanted to kill Gray he would've.

And END's ability to negate timestop, and mass manipulation is his ability. We've already seen Natsu be able to burn space-time at his best. Natsu was created as the perfect demon to kill Zeref. It only makes sense END has the ability to negate hax as the strongest hax in the verse was Zeref's immortality curse. Stop trying to scale his feats onto others.

 

[Seven777]

Acnologia can eat magic plus he is a dragon. She needs to be a dragon slayer to defeat him if her magic does work which i highly doubt.

Good.

His magic is more stronger against demons that's why it's called "Demon slaying magic" made to deal with demons, Matching END is good feat but that because he is buffed with an advantage magic, He won't be as strong against Dimaria.

The seeds are the reason for demonzing or dragonzing, He told him to choose to be a demon or a dragon not a human by picking one seed. Natsu choosed to be human tho and he woke up as a human.

You said his hands is normal in Dimaria's POV. You're assuming that he used his normal hands to beat Dimaria without demonizing. What happened between them is still a mystery. I never said that he was stronger against Dimaria, I said maybe he went full demonzied on her and because ofc a full transform would be more powerful so you can't use an off panel fight to prove anything, whether he full demonized on her or didn't we can't really tell but her face looked like she saw a real monster. .

Why is that relevant? You're the one who said "only END was capable of accomplishing it". Its not "only END" if people other than END can do it.

Yes, DeS magic does more damage against Demons, but that doesnt matter cause Gray was still matching ENDs attacks head on, equally. His offense is on par, meaning more than enough to destroy Dimaria.

Of course im assuming he used those hands to beat Dimaria. Why would Dimaria have a flashback of those hands if they werent what actually defeated her?
You didnt? Good, cause that would be silly. The END that faced Gray is the strongest END the manga contained.

 

[Jko]

Christina should've participated in the tournament it would've got 7th or 6th place for how well it did against a bullshitting Acno.

Jellal is way too high on the ranking. Can name several people who could kill him in this tournament. It's whatever. I don't expect anything out this ranking anymore.

 

[Biri Biri]

The original Japanese supports the reasoning behind why END was unaffected by, and able to move freely at will in Age Seal, was due to his power.

Spoiler

The katakana used in this instance is '力'. And the hiragana is 'か'. 力 and か stands for 'chikara', the Japanese word meaning power in the purest sense.

In the event whereby power has been bestowed upon or channelled by the user from a source, be it from within oneself or externally, the term 'の力' is usually used by the author. Such as when Natsu utilized the power Igneel granted unto him to activate Fire Dragon King mode in the fight with Zeref, the term used was 'イグニールの力'. This literally translates to 'Igneel's power'.

Spoiler

In this particular case, Natsu was fighting with assistance from Igneel to fuel his power. While to quote Dimaria directly, 'he could move freely within my time, power that surpasses god, it has to be END'. Now, while Igneel and Natsu are two separate beings, END and Natsu, however, are two of the same entity.

Natsu is the Natsu we already know. And apart from END having an instinctual desire to hunt Zeref down, END and Natsu are essentially the same entity who utilized the same Ethernano within his body. Therefore, there should not be a distinctive difference in power between END and Natsu. What END accomplished should be regarded as a feat which Natsu has the capability to achieve.

The Japanese term for magic is 魔法 (ma-ho), and magical power is 魔力 (mari-yoku). 魔 = magic. 力 = power. During the fight between Lucy and Brandish, this term was used specifically to highlight the difference in magic power between the two.

Spoiler

Brandish has no difficulty in shrinking and sending Lucy's attack back to her because she was superior when it comes to magic power. That is clear. However, there was no mention of '魔' in Dimaria's entire quote when she spoke of END.

Curses are the main form of combat employed by Etherious. And they run accordingly off curse power. The Japanese term for curses is '呪法' (ju-ho), and curse power is '呪力'. '呪' = curse. '力' = power. Again, there was zero mention of curses and/or curse power in Dimaria's quote.

In conclusion, the evidence are pointing towards the notion that END, or rather, just Natsu, was able to bypass Dimaria's Age Seal was because the sheer volume of strength, force and power he possess was simply greater than anything Dimaria could even muster.

The mistaken belief that Natsu could only do so due to the nature and origins of END is fallacious. A character who can match Natsu with regards to raw, physical attributes, in all honesty, should be capable of dealing the same damage to Dimaria. If not, as least be able to bypass her Age Seal.

 

[Jko]

No she doesn't. If she did Jacob wouldn't have arrived at the Guild so quickly.

Besides, if she stopped everyone then she'd be considered the strongest Spriggan. And yet Brandish, a character you could argue would actually have bias in favour of DiMaria, stated with certainty that the strongest Spriggans are August and Irene.

Um how would time being stopped affect Jacob's ability to get to the guild slower? If time was stopped then it wouldn't matter because when time resumed he would have gotten there the same amount of time.

August has the ability to copy and negate caster magic. Age Seal is a caster magic which is the reason he can get out of it. Irene is a safe Dragon that can use a plethora of magic via Enchantment. Dragon's Resistance or Enchantment would be the key for getting out. Her enchantment negated Brandish's mass manipulation.

Everybody above DiMaria besides Irene has shown the ability to counter DiMaria's timestop. None of it was about magical power but actual counters to the magic. Acno's immune to it and can eat it, Natsu can burn through it, Zeref already has timestop and plethora of time magic, and August has the ability to copy and negate it.

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People still forgetting the part where she says on END could just walk through it. Her emporer is Zeref and she know who August and Irene. If it was just power she wouldn't have said only END could do this. When she met three mages that far surpass her in magical power. END was made to surpass the God of Life and Death, Ankhseram, it makes sense his powers would exist somewhere beyond that of a god. Again this is not scale-able to anyone but him.

 

[Ebony Maw]

The original Japanese supports the reasoning behind why END was unaffected by, and able to move freely at will in Age Seal, was due to his power.

Spoiler

The katakana used in this instance is '力'. And the hiragana is 'か'. 力 and か stands for 'chikara', the Japanese word meaning power in the purest sense.

In the event whereby power has been bestowed upon or channelled by the user from a source, be it from within oneself or externally, the term 'の力' is usually used by the author. Such as when Natsu utilized the power Igneel granted unto him to activate Fire Dragon King mode in the fight with Zeref, the term used was 'イグニールの力'. This literally translates to 'Igneel's power'.

Spoiler

In this particular case, Natsu was fighting with assistance from Igneel to fuel his power. While to quote Dimaria directly, 'he could move freely within my time, power that surpasses god, it has to be END'. Now, while Igneel and Natsu are two separate beings, END and Natsu, however, are two of the same entity.

Natsu is the Natsu we already know. And apart from END having an instinctual desire to hunt Zeref down, END and Natsu are essentially the same entity who utilized the same Ethernano within his body. Therefore, there should not be a distinctive difference in power between END and Natsu. What END accomplished should be regarded as a feat which Natsu has the capability to achieve.

The Japanese term for magic is 魔法 (ma-ho), and magical power is 魔力 (mari-yoku). 魔 = magic. 力 = power. During the fight between Lucy and Brandish, this term was used specifically to highlight the difference in magic power between the two.

Spoiler

Brandish has no difficulty in shrinking and sending Lucy's attack back to her because she was superior when it comes to magic power. That is clear. However, there was no mention of '魔' in Dimaria's entire quote when she spoke of END.

Curses are the main form of combat employed by Etherious. And they run accordingly off curse power. The Japanese term for curses is '呪法' (ju-ho), and curse power is '呪力'. '呪' = curse. '力' = power. Again, there was zero mention of curses and/or curse power in Dimaria's quote.

In conclusion, the evidence are pointing towards the notion that END, or rather, just Natsu, was able to bypass Dimaria's Age Seal was because the sheer volume of strength, force and power he possess was simply greater than anything Dimaria could even muster.

The mistaken belief that Natsu could only do so due to the nature and origins of END is fallacious. A character who can match Natsu with regards to raw, physical attributes, in all honesty, should be capable of dealing the same damage to Dimaria. If not, as least be able to bypass her Age Seal.

THANK YOU!!!!



Finally this debate can end, Age Seal has a limit.

Um how would time being stopped affect Jacob's ability to get to the guild slower? If time was stopped then it wouldn't matter because when time resumed he would have gotten there the same amount of time.

My point was that Age Seal couldn't have trapped Jacob as otherwise August should have arrived at the guild first. This doesn't even matter though as we know that Age Seal isn't a country-wide spell.

August has the ability to copy and negate caster magic. Age Seal is a caster magic which is the reason he can get out of it. Irene is a safe Dragon that can use a plethora of magic via Enchantment. Dragon's Resistance or Enchantment would be the key for getting out. Her enchantment negated Brandish's mass manipulation.

Everybody above DiMaria besides Irene has shown the ability to counter DiMaria's timestop. None of it was about magical power but actual counters to the magic. Acno's immune to it and can eat it, Natsu can burn through it, Zeref already has timestop and plethora of time magic, and August has the ability to copy and negate it.

As @Alpharez just showed, the reason E.N.D walked through Age Seal is due to raw power. He isn't some special anti-hax monster, he was just too powerful for DiMaria to freeze. Jellal and Laxus both have more impressive feats than E.N.D, and both should have more Magic Power than your average Spriggan, therefore they should NLF Age Seal as the strongest person it has trapped is Brandish, an average Spriggan.

 

[Jko]

THANK YOU!!!!



Finally this debate can end, Age Seal has a limit.

My point was that Age Seal couldn't have trapped Jacob as otherwise August should have arrived at the guild first. This doesn't even matter though as we know that Age Seal isn't a country-wide spell.

As @Alpharez just showed, the reason E.N.D walked through Age Seal is due to raw power. He isn't some special anti-hax monster, he was just too powerful for DiMaria to freeze. Jellal and Laxus both have more impressive feats than E.N.D, and both should have more Magic Power than your average Spriggan, therefore they should NLF Age Seal as the strongest person it has trapped is Brandish, an average Spriggan.

Pretty sure August stopped walking. He was like hecka far from the guild to the point happy flew them a considerable distance. No way Jacob would get there faster unless August let him.

Last time we saw Ultear was by Crocus. Crocus is over a 1000 km away from Hargeon. That is a country's distance.

What? Jellal and Laxus have more impressive feats than E.N.D. Lol no. E.N.D. was feared by Gods, Demons, and Dragons. Just talk of his presence even made Acno come out of his hole and was stated by Igneel that Acno feared E.N.D.'s power. Jellal and Laxus aren't even a blip on Acno's radar. E.N.D. got out of Age Seal on his own. Jellal and Laxus have no such feat. The feat is E.N.D.'s alone and it's not a scale-able feat.

Neither have S12 magical power. Show me where it was once stated that. The S12s where compared to Makarovs MP for a reason and that's because none of them as surpassed the old man in MP, but Mira, and we know that because we were directly told that. Neither of the two are getting out of Age Seal. They're getting beat easily. Even Bradish's Island shifting feat is a lot more impressive than any of their feats.

E.N.D. doesn't even use MP either so the whole his MP is greater than hers doesn't work. And Natsu has shown the ability to burn space-time.... You going to try to scale Jellal and Laxus to that as well?

 

[Reebi]

Thank you Reebi this needed to be said. Even I think the Laxus fanboys/fangirls overhype Laxus which one of the reason I hate Laxus now.

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In other words you think Makarov is stronger then Laxus.

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Which is true since there's always a bigger fish in the sea.

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So what if Reebi hates Laxus everyone has a character they don't like and a character they like.

I don't hate Laxus. He has some good lines and grew through the series. Now, Makarov could get beaten by Asuka but pre-FH I would say he is stronger than Laxus.

Meet is the only character I hate.

 

[Jko]

1. Irene
2. Natsu
3. Gild
4. Laxus

Irene at least needs to be top!

 

[Raven]

Natsu is the Natsu we already know. And apart from END having an instinctual desire to hunt Zeref down, END and Natsu are essentially the same entity who utilized the same Ethernano within his body. Therefore, there should not be a distinctive difference in power between END and Natsu. What END accomplished should be regarded as a feat which Natsu has the capability to achieve.

END powers is equal to normal current Natsu's power, Is that what you're trying to say?

Why is that relevant? You're the one who said "only END was capable of accomplishing it". Its not "only END" if people other than END can do it.

Yes, DeS magic does more damage against Demons, but that doesnt matter cause Gray was still matching ENDs attacks head on, equally. His offense is on par, meaning more than enough to destroy Dimaria.

Of course im assuming he used those hands to beat Dimaria. Why would Dimaria have a flashback of those hands if they werent what actually defeated her?

For every rule there are exceptions, It relevant because you mentioned it. Acting like you don't know Acnologia's power.

So what if he keep with END? He should perform better because he has a counter magic, but it's a good thing you know that he is strong against demons, Even with this advantage he couldn't scratch END. And you think he can still make damage against a high tier spriggan. Good joke regardless.

Did you see those hands beating her down in the flash back? nope but it's okay since it's just assumption. You still didn't prove your point.

 

[**Silver**]

The Laxus fanboys mistake him for Super Seiyan Goku, when he clearly isn't. I wouldn't be surprised if he wins Laxus is strong but Jellal was able to go up against Acnologia, not well but better than Serena. The only other person who could do that was Makarov when he went super big. Makarov >> Laxus

yeah sure Jellal is top tier but Jellal feat against Acnologia was retarded,even Erza pushed Acnologia with sword attack so its impressive???... Acnologia speed blized August who stomped jellal.... Base/August----->Jellal/Laxus

Acnologia vs August/Jacob/Serena... this was the event when acnologia was in his strongest Form

Laxus is same tier with Jellal

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1. Irene
2. Natsu
3. Gild
4. Laxus

Irene at least needs to be top!

Sorry but natsu is the Number-one...
with Dragon Slayer advantage Natsu one-shots Irene...
Irene cant even one-shot Wendy while Natsu stomped Dimaria/Jacob and Neinhart....

 

[Seven777]

END powers is equal to normal current Natsu's power, Is that what you're trying to say?



For every rule there is an exception, It relevant because you mentioned it. Acting like you don't know Acnologia's power.

So what if he keep with END? He should perform better because he has a counter magic, but it's a good thing you know that he is strong against demons, Even with this advantage he couldn't scratch END. And you think he can still make damage against a high tier spriggan. Good joke regardless.

Did you see those hands beating her down? nope.

Im aware of his power. im also aware that there are multiple other people who can walk through Age Seal, to the point where "exception" is no longer an apt description. Anyway, my point is that if there are people who can walk through Age Seal, then the "only END" thing is already false. We know the criteria for overcoming Age Seal and its being stronger than Chronos.

Like i said, Gray having a counter has nothing to do with it. Gray's magic without DeS advantage is as powerful as ENDs, he was able to match ENDs raw power, and the damage he dealt to Erza's hand was equal to the damage END dealt. So yes, of course Gray could do damage to Dimaria, END massacred her, and Gray's attacks are as powerful as his. He beats her with the same ease.

Nope, but i saw Dimaria cower in fear as she recalled them, which is more than enough implication.

 

[Ebony Maw]

This is probably going to be my last post on the matter, kinda burnt out on Age Seal tbh. It's been fun though.

Pretty sure August stopped walking. He was like hecka far from the guild to the point happy flew them a considerable distance. No way Jacob would get there faster unless August let him.

Last time we saw Ultear was by Crocus. Crocus is over a 1000 km away from Hargeon. That is a country's distance.

I don't think I phrased this well last time, my bad: this point doesn't matter. Another poster was saying that Age Seal affected the whole country and my counter-point was that if so August should have reached the guild first. As you say, August likely let him get there anyway but unless you're also trying to say that Age Seal affects the whole of Fiore there's no point in continuing this point.

What? Jellal and Laxus have more impressive feats than E.N.D. Lol no. E.N.D. was feared by Gods, Demons, and Dragons.

Being feared by Gods, Demons and Dragons is impressive hype, but Jellal and Laxus still have better feats.

I'm half joking there but E.N.D was massively underwhelming tbh. I can buy certain Gods being scared by E.N.D considering certain Gods are fodder, but one like Anksheram? Unless it doesn't have any offense it should take care of E.N.D relatively easily.

Also, other Etherious being afraid of him isn't surprising in the slightest since he's the strongest of Zeref's creations.

Just talk of his presence even made Acno come out of his hole and was stated by Igneel that Acno feared E.N.D.'s power.

At which point Acnologia said Igneel was BS'ing.

Now I don't expect you to take Acnologia's word here, but consider this: Acnologia wasn't afraid of E.N.D because of his demonic powers, he was afraid of him because he had Dragon Slaying magic. He killed God Serena for the exact same reason and was going to kill the other Dragon Slayers too.

Jellal and Laxus aren't even a blip on Acno's radar.

Can't speak for Jellal here, but Laxus canonically was a blip on his radar.

Also Jellal not being a blip isn't bad considering that August wasn't a blip on his radar.

E.N.D. got out of Age Seal on his own. Jellal and Laxus have no such feat. The feat is E.N.D.'s alone and it's not a scale-able feat.

The feat is scale-able, DiMaria said it was his power that allowed him to move through Age Seal in both the raws and translation, she never specified that it was E.N.D specific.

Neither have S12 magical power. Show me where it was once stated that..

It wasn't stated but it's pretty clearly implied, especially for Laxus.

Laxus made Ajeel shit himself right at the start of the arc and could have killed him:

Spoiler

Then later in Hargeon Wahl went on to say that even with an MBP infestation he was still top-tier in Fairy Tail in terms of Magic Power:

Spoiler

Remember that the top tiers of Fairy Tail include Natsu and Gray who are both capable of stomping/one-shotting Spriggans when needed.

As for Jellal, when he got angry and showed off his Magic Power it altered the whole skyline of Hargeon and made Neinhart crap himself:

Spoiler

He then went on to block an attack from Acnologia that was meant to kill/seriously injure Erza and Wendy:

Spoiler

The S12s where compared to Makarovs MP for a reason and that's because none of them as surpassed the old man in MP, but Mira, and we know that because we were directly told that.

Spoiler: My reaction

Makarov was compared to the Spriggans yes, and Team Natsu was compared to Makarov yes, but when were Jellal and Laxus compared to Makarov? We have no idea how they compare to Makarov, but given their feats they almost have to have more Magic Power than Spriggans, why would Spriggans crap themselves unless their enemy was exuding more Magic Power than them?

Also, what the hell has Mira done to put her Magic Power above the likes of Laxus and Jellal? Laxus was hyped as casually killing Ajeel and Jellal cleared a whole skyline + blocked a lethal attack from Acnologia. On the other hand, Mira had to go all out to beat Juliet and Heine and only won against Jacob because he was closing his eyes and wasn't using Transport.

Neither of the two are getting out of Age Seal. They're getting beat easily. Even Bradish's Island shifting feat is a lot more impressive than any of their feats.

Manipulating a chunk of rock is better than killing a Spriggan? Manipulating a rock is better than blocking an attack from Acnologia and knocking him back?

E.N.D. doesn't even use MP either so the whole his MP is greater than hers doesn't work.

DiMaria stated he had the "power" to surpass the Gods, she never stated whether that power was Curse Power or Magic Power. We know for a fact that Spriggan level Curse Power exists, so it makes sense that above-average Spriggan level Curse Power would be able to break Age Seal. Likewise, above-average Spriggan level Magic Power should also surpass Age Seal's limit.

And Natsu has shown the ability to burn space-time.... You going to try to scale Jellal and Laxus to that as well?

Well considering Laxus can't use Fire Magic and Jellal's never shown particularly strong Fire Magic, no, I can't say they'd burn their way out of Age Seal. Not sure why it matters though considering Natsu didn't burn his way out of Age Seal, he was just strong enough to walk through it.

1. Irene
2. Natsu
3. Gild
4. Laxus

Irene at least needs to be top!

Agreed here!

 

[Demon Hunter]

Magic Power means shit lol.

1. Plotsu
2. Gildarts
3. Irene
4. Laxus

it will be like this most definitely.

 

[Jko]

This is probably going to be my last post on the matter, kinda burnt out on Age Seal tbh. It's been fun though.

I don't think I phrased this well last time, my bad: this point doesn't matter. Another poster was saying that Age Seal affected the whole country and my counter-point was that if so August should have reached the guild first. As you say, August likely let him get there anyway but unless you're also trying to say that Age Seal affects the whole of Fiore there's no point in continuing this point.

Being feared by Gods, Demons and Dragons is impressive hype, but Jellal and Laxus still have better feats.

I'm half joking there but E.N.D was massively underwhelming tbh. I can buy certain Gods being scared by E.N.D considering certain Gods are fodder, but one like Anksheram? Unless it doesn't have any offense it should take care of E.N.D relatively easily.

Also, other Etherious being afraid of him isn't surprising in the slightest since he's the strongest of Zeref's creations.

At which point Acnologia said Igneel was BS'ing.

Now I don't expect you to take Acnologia's word here, but consider this: Acnologia wasn't afraid of E.N.D because of his demonic powers, he was afraid of him because he had Dragon Slaying magic. He killed God Serena for the exact same reason and was going to kill the other Dragon Slayers too.

Can't speak for Jellal here, but Laxus canonically was a blip on his radar.

Also Jellal not being a blip isn't bad considering that August wasn't a blip on his radar.

The feat is scale-able, DiMaria said it was his power that allowed him to move through Age Seal in both the raws and translation, she never specified that it was E.N.D specific.

It wasn't stated but it's pretty clearly implied, especially for Laxus.

Laxus made Ajeel shit himself right at the start of the arc and could have killed him:

Spoiler

Then later in Hargeon Wahl went on to say that even with an MBP infestation he was still top-tier in Fairy Tail in terms of Magic Power:

Spoiler

Remember that the top tiers of Fairy Tail include Natsu and Gray who are both capable of stomping/one-shotting Spriggans when needed.

As for Jellal, when he got angry and showed off his Magic Power it altered the whole skyline of Hargeon and made Neinhart crap himself:

Spoiler

He then went on to block an attack from Acnologia that was meant to kill/seriously injure Erza and Wendy:

Spoiler

Spoiler: My reaction

Makarov was compared to the Spriggans yes, and Team Natsu was compared to Makarov yes, but when were Jellal and Laxus compared to Makarov? We have no idea how they compare to Makarov, but given their feats they almost have to have more Magic Power than Spriggans, why would Spriggans crap themselves unless their enemy was exuding more Magic Power than them?

Also, what the hell has Mira done to put her Magic Power above the likes of Laxus and Jellal? Laxus was hyped as casually killing Ajeel and Jellal cleared a whole skyline + blocked a lethal attack from Acnologia. On the other hand, Mira had to go all out to beat Juliet and Heine and only won against Jacob because he was closing his eyes and wasn't using Transport.

Manipulating a chunk of rock is better than killing a Spriggan? Manipulating a rock is better than blocking an attack from Acnologia and knocking him back?

DiMaria stated he had the "power" to surpass the Gods, she never stated whether that power was Curse Power or Magic Power. We know for a fact that Spriggan level Curse Power exists, so it makes sense that above-average Spriggan level Curse Power would be able to break Age Seal. Likewise, above-average Spriggan level Magic Power should also surpass Age Seal's limit.

Well considering Laxus can't use Fire Magic and Jellal's never shown particularly strong Fire Magic, no, I can't say they'd burn their way out of Age Seal. Not sure why it matters though considering Natsu didn't burn his way out of Age Seal, he was just strong enough to walk through it.

Agreed here!

I meant you can't scale time resistance such as Natsu burning through spcae-time or resisting the affects. It's not a scale-able power. Only certain people can obtain that power.

Wall stated Laxus was top tier mage in Fairy Tail which isn't a lie but he never said his magic was anything comparable to an S12s.

Laxus has high attack power but that doesn't mean he has magical power. High MP =/= High Attack or Stats as seen with Neinhart.

Mira's MP made Heine and Juliet crap their pants. Those guys dissed Makarov, Larcade, and Bradman despite knowing their MP. So Alegria had pretty darn high MP at least. Her MP was better than Makarov's and maybe less than a S12s. If Jellal or Laxus had higher MP than Makarov we would've at least been notified of it. Higher MP doesn't make you stronger than an opponent with lower MP tho.

Jellal parting the clouds is impressive but at the same time you got to remember that Juvia on Tenrou caused the Island to be engulfed in a rain cloud (a town as well in the current era) and Gild parted those clouds with a punch. Juvia certainly didn't have S12 MP and Gild had comparable MP to Jura.

Ah since it's your last post on the matter no point in continuing. I guess it's an agree to disagree moment. But Jellal, Gild and Laxus are definetely not above the affects of time.

Last but not least... Go Irene go!

 

[Raven]

Like i said, Gray having a counter has nothing to do with it. Gray's magic without DeS advantage is as powerful as ENDs, he was able to match ENDs raw power, and the damage he dealt to Erza's hand was equal to the damage END dealt. So yes, of course Gray could do damage to Dimaria, END massacred her, and Gray's attacks are as powerful as his. He beats her with the same ease.

It has everything to do with it, Gray was clearly using Ice demon magic not normal ice. He was able to match END with his DeS magic because it has advantage against demons, You have Gray with advantage still can't do damage to a high tier incomplete demon how can you think he will able to damage a spriggan who is non demon. Only the visual effects of the attacks are the same.

 

[Berty]

After reading most of these comments I've concluded that Laxus is ridiculously overrated. People keep comparing his MP to Spriggans, and saying that he can walk through Age Seal. The only people stated to nullify that curse are END, Irene and August. Laxus cannot walk cancel such a spell. Anyone saying he can is spouting fan fiction and creating BS "laws" of DiMaria's magic. Secondly, WHERE is Laxus compared to a Spriggan MP wise ? Hell, even Erza and Mira's magic was praised more than Laxus'. He needs to stopped being treated like some kind of wizard diety. He beat a very stupid S12 with POF (which people bash Erza and Natsu for). And yet, he's considered above one of the top 3 Spriggans and a woman who can stop time.

 

[Raven]

After reading most of these comments I've concluded that Laxus is ridiculously overrated. People keep comparing his MP to Spriggans, and saying that he can walk through Age Seal. The only people stated to nullify that curse are END, Irene and August. Laxus cannot walk cancel such a spell. Anyone saying he can is spouting fan fiction and creating BS "laws" of DiMaria's magic. Secondly, WHERE is Laxus compared to a Spriggan MP wise ? Hell, even Erza and Mira's magic was praised more than Laxus'. He needs to stopped being treated like some kind of wizard diety. He beat a very stupid S12 with POF (which people bash Erza and Natsu for). And yet, he's considered above one of the top 3 Spriggans and a woman who can stop time.

I agree that only few ppl can break through Dimaria's age seal Acnologia, END, Zeref and August. I don't think Irene can but Dimaria still can't do anything to her since she ain't a drake slayer however Laxus is overrated but not as much as you think. After all Zeref considered him and Jellal tough opponents, literally everyone beat spriggans with POF.

 

[Berty]

I don't think Irene can

couldn't she just enchant herself to be immune to her magic or use some other method. She was called the strongest along with August after all.