Discussion Earth Land Mages Rate - THE ULTIMATE POWER RANKING [BIG FINALE + STATISTICS]

[BluePegasus]

STATISTICS

Spoiler: Alakitasia ranking

1). Irene Belserion - 12,200
6). Larcade Dragneel - 10,683
7). DiMaria Yesta - 10,667
9). God Serena - 10,017
11). Brandish μ - 9,533
12). Bloodman - 9,300
15). Invel Yura - 9,117
16). Wall Eehto - 9,017
18). Ajeel Ramal - 8,383
19). Jacob Lessio - 8,183
24). Neinhart - 7,450
Average: 9,504545

Spoiler: Ishgar ranking

2). Natsu Dragneel - 11,750
3). Gildarts Clive - 11,583
4). Laxus Dreyar - 11,167
5). Jellal Fernandes - 11,100
8). Erza Scarlet - 10,083
10). Gray Fullbuster - 9,950
13). Gajeel Redfox - 9,267
14). Sting Eucliffe - 9,233
17). TO Sherria Blendy - 8,850
20). Mard Geer - 8,167
21). Mirajane Strauss - 7,983
22). Precht Gaebolg - 7,917
23). Lucy Heartfilia - 7,733
25). Future Rogue Cheney - 7,383
26). Kagura Mikazuchi - 7,333
27). Wendy Marvell - 7,033
28). Silver Fullbuster - 6,750
29). Minerva Orland - 6,683
30). Kyoka - 6,550
31). Ultear Milkovich - 6,283
32). Rogue Cheney - 6,233
33). Erik “Cobra” - 5,983
34). Macbeth “Midnight” - 5,950
35). Arlock - 5,850
36). Lyon Vastia - 5,067
37). Cana Alberona - 4,867
38). Elfman Strauss - 4,483
Average: 7,82337

The winning continent is..

Spoiler

Alakitasia

Spoiler: Guild ranking

Spriggan Twelve
1). Irene Belserion - 12,200
6). Larcade Dragneel - 10,683
7). DiMaria Yesta - 10,667
9). God Serena - 10,017
11). Brandish μ - 9,533
12). Bloodman - 9,300
15). Invel Yura - 9,117
16). Wall Eehto - 9,017
18). Ajeel Ramal - 8,383
19). Jacob Lessio - 8,183
24). Neinhart - 7,450
Average: 9,504545

Fairy Tail
2). Natsu Dragneel - 11,750
3). Gildarts Clive - 11,583
4). Laxus Dreyar - 11,167
8). Erza Scarlet - 10,083
10). Gray Fullbuster - 9,950
13). Gajeel Redfox - 9,267
21). Mirajane Strauss - 7,983
23). Lucy Heartfilia - 7,733
27). Wendy Marvell - 7,033
37). Cana Alberona - 4,867
38). Elfman Strauss - 4.483
Average: 8,718091

Sabertooth
14). Sting Eucliffe - 9,233
25). Future Rogue Cheney - 7,383
29). Minerva Orland - 6,683
32). Rogue Cheney - 6,233
Average: 7,383

Crime Sorciere
5). Jellal Fernandes - 11,100
31). Ultear Milkovich - 6,283
33). Erik “Cobra" - 5,983
34). Macbeth “Midnight” - 5,950
Average: 7,329

Lamia Scale
17). Sherria Blendy - 8,850
36) Lyon Vastia - 5,067
Average: 6,9585

Mermaid Heel
26). Kagura Mikazuchi - 7,333
Average: 7,333

Tartaros
20). Mard Geer - 8,167
28). Silver Fullbuster - 6,750
30). Kyoka - 6,550
Average: 7,155667

Grimoire Heart
22). Precht Gaebolg - 7,917
Average: 7,917

Avatar
35). Arlock - 5,850
Average: 5,850

(Balam Alliance
20). Mard Geer - 8,167
22). Precht Gaebolg - 7,917
28). Silver Fullbuster - 6,750
30). Kyoka - 6,550
Average: 7,346)

Most 13's
1). Natsu x 11
2). Irene x 10
3). Gildarts x 4
4). Larcade x 2
5). Laxus x 1, DiMaria x 1, Lucy x 1

 

[Gryffindor]

Well that was one heck of a ride, wasn't it? Here is the full list with links to the elimination posts in case anyone ever feels like checking them out again.

[post=4599653] 1) Irene Belserion-12.200[/post]
[post=4599652] 2) Natsu Dragneel-11.750[/post]
[post=4599651] 3) Gildarts Clive-11.583[/post]
[post=4598583] 4) Laxus Dreyar-11.167[/post]
[post=4597382] 5) Jellal Fernandes-11.100[/post]
[post=4597225] 6) Larcade Dragneel-10.683[/post]
[post=4596413] 7) DiMaria Yesta-10.667[/post]
[post=4595925] 8) Erza Scarlet-10.083[/post]
[post=4595453] 9) God Serena-10.017[/post]
[post=4595191] 10) Gray Fullbuster-9.950[/post]
[post=4594738] 11) Brandish µ-9.533[/post]
[post=4593900] 12) Bradman-9.300[/post]
[post=4593439] 13) Gajeel Redfox-9.267[/post]
[post=4593248] 14) Sting Eucliffe-9.233[/post]
[post=4592900] 15) Invel Yura-9.117[/post]
[post=4592813] 16) Wall Eehto-9.017[/post]
[post=4592320] 17) Sherria Blendy-8.850[/post]
[post=4591927] 18) Ajeel Ramal-8.383[/post]
[post=4591726] 19) Jacob Lessio-8.183[/post]
[post=4591475] 20) Mard Geer-8.167[/post]
[post=4591231] 21) Mirajane Strauss-7.983[/post]
[post=4591204] 22) Precht Gaebolg-7.917[/post]
[post=4591058] 23) Lucy Heartfilia-7.733[/post]
[post=4590919] 24) Neinhart-7.450[/post]
[post=4590697] 25) Future Rogue Cheney-7.383[/post]
[post=4590248] 26) Kagura Mikazuchi-7.333[/post]
[post=4590163] 27) Wendy Marvell-7.033[/post]
[post=4589984] 28) Silver Fullbuster-6.750[/post]
[post=4589777] 29) Minerva Orland-6.683[/post]
[post=4589556] 30) Kyoka-6.550[/post]
[post=4589279] 31) Ultear Milkovich-6.283[/post]
[post=4589053] 32) Rogue Cheney-6.233[/post]
[post=4589013] 33) Erik "Cobra"-5.983[/post]
[post=4588937] 34) Macbeth "Midnight"-5.950[/post]
[post=4588113] 35) Arlock-5.850[/post]
[post=4587925] 36) Lyon Vastia-5.067[/post]
[post=4587728] 37) Cana Alberona-4.867[/post]
[post=4587607] 38) Elfman Strauss-4.483[/post]​

 

[Ebony Maw]

Before I end this rate officially, I just want to thank everyone who took part in it.

Thank you to everyone who voted, and even to those who didn't, the discussion in this thread has been incredibly interesting and outright entertaining.

Big thanks to my fellow hosts @BluePegasus, @Emperor Spriggan and @Gryffindor, you guys really upped your game in this rating and it wouldn't have been possible without you. The same goes to @Brandish @DiMaria Yesta @Crescent_jinxgrace @Takuan @~Charging Lightning~ and @Belserion, you all did fantastic posts!

And in general I want to thank the mods for making this run so smoothly, I know for a fact that this thread easily could have turned to chaos without their intervention. In particular I want to thank @Brandish for sticky-ing the thread, this thread wouldn't have been anywhere near as active if it wasn't for you.

I hope everyone enjoyed that the rate, as now....

This poster was made by @Valhalla777, big thanks to him!

THE EARTH LAND MAGES RATE IS OFFICIALLY OVER!​

 

[Nemispelled]

She cancelled two or three of Irene's enchantments she didn't cancel out any of her strong enchantments. So yea it was her baby magic.

I don't need a feat of her doing it on them bcs she has already shown to manipulate matter which means they would've been chairs.

Nope. Irene was surprised at Wendy's aptitude for enchantments.

And there's a canon statement of Wendy admitting Irene's enchantments are way too much for her.

Wendy beat Irene bcs she was inside a top tier S12 that was a fudging Dragon while Irene was inside a child. Big difference in MP is how Wendy beat out Wendy Belserion.

Wendy's body was inferior to Irene's. So no, Irene was just all around superior and was held back by plot so she wouldn't kill two main protagonists.

What strong enchantments does Irene even have? Wendy canceled out all the blasts and upgrade effects that were necessary.

She's shown to manipulate Hisui. Not Erza and Wendy.

There's a clear difference there. Proof would be required to legitimize that claim.


Irene beat Wendy because she switched bodies and inflicted self-harm.

In her own body, Irene could barely deal any damage to Wendy. She was better off with the body switch.


If Wendy's body was inferior to Irene's, then it must be embarrassing for Irene to have her enchantments be reversed by an inferior opponent.

 

[Takuan]

Okay I really don't like the Laxus one-shot argument because so many people disagree but let's say he would've. Ajeel's defence really wasn't anything spectacular and since I consider Laxus to be mid Spriggan tier he should be capable of such a feat. However, he still doesn't have a chance against Irene. She can nullify his attacks by enchanting herself as she did to Neinhart, she can create multiple atmospheric enchantments ( that pushed back Acnologia & was casted with ease ) and spam Laxus with those. Hell, she could enchant multiple rocks with magic like she did with Juliet and Hyne ( nothing said she couldn't ). Truth is, Laxus is an elemental Mage so his magic can be countered by her.

She has never shown to be able to enchant herself, only others. But let's say she could, doesn't change anything. It would only give her an MP boost (which she doesn't need), just like it did with Neinhart who in the end still got oneshot.
The atmospheric enchantments, you mean those which Erza casually dodged? I'm pretty sure Laxus can dodge them if Erza in Red Pants was able to.
Creating Juliet and Hyne might not even be instantaneous, what makes you think sh could use that kind of technique in the middle of a battle against someone as powerful and fast as Laxus. Now THAT'S what i call speculating.

Let's leave it at that. Apparently you didn't manage to convince me, and i'm most likely not going to convince you either. At the end of the day, Laxus is placed lower than Irene in this ranking, which i'm not even disappointed about: Human Irene is an amazing mage, especially when it comes to Universe One or enchanting stuff, like Berserker or Juliet/Hyne. I'm still not convinced about her strength in actual battle though: i believe she could have won the battle singlehandedly by enchanting stuff and people in the back, not by going into battle.

 

[Jko]

Universe One isn't an attack.
Universe One is by far Irene's most impressive spell, but this isn't an offensive spell that can be used in battle. Better worded, U1 can't be used to say Irene would beat an opponent. She didn't beat Acno, she just cancelled the fight. That doesn't make her stronger than anyone in battle, though it proves how much MP she has. This was pretty impressive i'll admit.
Her feats in actual battle are lackluster though, from her attacks (that were either dodged, tanked or straight up destroyed) to her defense.

Irene was able to imbue her magic into a country. That means she can can change the properties of the country into anything she wanted. UO isn't an offensive spell sure, but it shows the range of how much Human Irene can affix with her enchantments.

 

[Nemispelled]

Holding a compressed country the size of a continent while battling or extracting infinite magic isn't impressive? Lol.

Keep in mind that plot stopped Dragon Acno from wrecking that stupid ship witch held two protagonist, and a popular side character. Mashima couldn't even kill off fudging Anna or Ichiya. What actually made you think he was gonna allow Jellal, Erza, and Wendy to die?

He praised Irene and that's huge as Acno only thinks of people as insect. Also there's the fact Irene doesn't get plot armor that makes it highly more impressive.

Yeah, plot is a great excuse. Seems like it only works on Acnologia and Irene?

Mashima isn't out there to target those 2. The fact is, plot affects every villain:

It's just that some handle it better than others.


Praise doesn't mean anything.

Christina and Jellal kept Dragon Acnologia at bay better than Irene kept Human Acnologia at bay by talking.

 

[Berty]

The atmospheric enchantments, you mean those which Erza casually dodged? I'm pretty sure Laxus can dodge them if Erza in Red Pants was able to.

Okay we'll leave the Irene portion of this argument because it's pointless arguing. But what makes you think that Laxus can replicate Erza's feats that easily ? I'm pretty sure Erza is faster than Laxus, and her offence is better than his too.
Meteor slashing >>> Red Lighting

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Christina and Jellal kept Dragon Acnologia at bay better than Irene kept Human Acnologia at bay by talking.

And Erza knocked Acnologia clean out of the sky but yet she's below characters that have no good feats this arc. I really don't think people take feats like this into consideration anymore, unfortunately.

 

[Nemispelled]

And Erza knocked Acnologia clean out of the sky but yet she's below characters that have no good feats this arc. I really don't think people take feats like this into consideration anymore, unfortunately.

The only reason why she knocked Acnologia out of the sky is because Acnologia did not have any control over his own body.

It was a just a flying dragon with no soul, floating in the sky.

 

[Takuan]

Okay we'll leave the Irene portion of this argument because it's pointless arguing. But what makes you think that Laxus can replicate Erza's feats that easily ? I'm pretty sure Erza is faster than Laxus, and her offence is better than his too.
Meteor slashing >>> Red Lighting

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And Erza knocked Acnologia clean out of the sky but yet she's below characters that have no good feats this arc. I really don't think people take feats like this into consideration anymore, unfortunately.

I'm pretty sure Laxus is faster than Erza. Speed is always omnipresent in Laxus fights, just look at how fast he was moving against Wahl, the scene of dodging bullets, or just generally when he goes lightning mode.

The feat of destroying Irene's meteor is a way better feat than Red Lightning i'll agree with that LOL
In fact Red Lightning isn't Laxus' best attack imo. It was the only attack that could work versus Wahl, due to its properties, but it didn't appear that powerful.

 

[Jko]

What strong enchantments does Irene even have? Wendy canceled out all the blasts and upgrade effects that were necessary.

She's shown to manipulate Hisui. Not Erza and Wendy.

There's a clear difference there. Proof would be required to legitimize that claim.


Irene beat Wendy because she switched bodies and inflicted self-harm.

In her own body, Irene could barely deal any damage to Wendy. She was better off with the body switch.


If Wendy's body was inferior to Irene's, then it must be embarrassing for Irene to have her enchantments be reversed by an inferior opponent.

Are you serious? Wendy only cancelled out a fireball that Irene made and Irene trying to negate her enchantment which surprised Irene bcs she didn't think Wendy was that good at enchantments.

Irene only needs to transmute organic material to say she could transmute Erza or Wendy. Irene has turned swords into humans which is hard af. That's highest level of transmutation. Erza and Wendy has no feats to resist hax like matter manipulation. She also transmuted Erza's swords.

Irene would've beat Wendy either way but okay.

That's a bold face lie. Irene wasn't even trying to hit Wendy and was mostly using CQC against an Enhanced Erza. She was gonna beat Erza by exploding her armor if Wendy didn't amp her resistance using Irene's MP.

She cancelled out baby magic. So again Wendy did nothing on Irene's level. Do you see Wendy cancel out U1 or Irene taking out Erza Circe Sword with her enchantment? No. Why? Because Wendy is not at Irene's level.

 

[Berty]

I'm pretty sure Laxus is faster than Erza. Speed is always omnipresent in Laxus fights, just look at how fast he was moving against Wahl, the scene of dodging bullets, or just generally when he goes lightning mode.

The feat of destroying Irene's meteor is a way better feat than Red Lightning i'll agree with that LOL
In fact Red Lightning isn't Laxus' best attack imo. It was the only attack that could work versus Wahl, due to its properties, but it didn't appear that powerful.

Erza has also deflected bullets before and that was before all the TS. I guess it's also pretty hard to scale speed.
It probably isn't his strongest attack but it's probably up there with his best, I mean it did one shot Wahl. Or I guess Wahl had really bad defence.

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The only reason why she knocked Acnologia out of the sky is because Acnologia did not have any control over his own body.

It was a just a flying dragon with no soul, floating in the sky.

Wait how does that affect his defence again? Her brute force took him out.

 

[Takuan]

Erza has also deflected bullets before and that was before all the TS. I guess it's also pretty hard to scale speed.
It probably isn't his strongest attack but it's probably up there with his best, I mean it did one shot Wahl. Or I guess Wahl had really bad defence.

I don't know. Personally i think his nuke spell against Ajeel was way more powerful and deadly, but in terms of feats RL has stronger achievement. I guess we'll never know

 

[Nemispelled]

Are you serious? Wendy only cancelled out a fireball that Irene made and Irene trying to negate

Irene only needs to transmute organic material to say she could transmute Erza or Wendy. Irene has turned swords into humans which is hard af. That's highest level of transmutation. Erza and Wendy has no feats to resist hax like matter manipulation. She also transmuted Erza's swords.

Irene would've beat Wendy either way but okay.

That's a bold face lie. Irene wasn't even trying to hit Wendy and was mostly using CQC against an Enhanced Erza. She was gonna beat Erza by exploding her armor if Wendy didn't amp her resistance using Irene's MP.

She cancelled out baby magic. So again Wendy did nothing on Irene's level. Do you see Wendy cancel out U1 or Irene taking out Erza Circe Sword with her enchantment? No. Why? Because Wendy is not at Irene's level.

It's easy to manipulate inanimate objects. Organic matter is a lot more difficult to alter compared to inorganic matter. Irene would need to provide evidence of manipulating somebody with high magic power like Erza or Wendy. That claim can't be simply justified from Hisui.

Exactly, Wendy countered Irene's armor exploding technique, which just adds to my point before.

Irene ended up inflicting self-damage on Wendy's body prior to switching back. That's the only reason why Wendy fell unconscious. It wasn't because of any attack.



Wendy didn't bother canceling out U1 and Erza's Circle Sword because it was irrelevant.

Irene wasted her time with U1. There was nothing to gain from changing tectonic plates.

Wendy was smarter than that. She canceled out Irene's combat spells and enhancement abilities.

Besides, undoing U1 would mean killing Gajeel, Natsu, Lucy, Mest, and Happy.

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Wait how does that affect his defence again? Her brute force took him out.

Erza only displaced Acnologia. It has nothing to do with defense.

It's not like she took him out or inflicted any serious damage on him... Acnologia simply collapsed onto the Ice Ship and immediately felt motion sickness, which was why he was lying there helplessly.

 

[**Silver**]

I don't know. Personally i think his nuke spell against Ajeel was way more powerful and deadly, but in terms of feats RL has stronger achievement. I guess we'll never know

Red Lightning is Laxus strongest attack Yuri literally appeared in the panel... Power Of Friendship---->everything else

 

[Jko]

It's easy to manipulate inanimate objects. Organic matter is a lot more difficult to alter compared to inorganic matter. Irene would need to provide evidence of manipulating somebody with high magic power like Erza or Wendy. That claim can't be simply justified from Hisui.

Exactly, Wendy countered Irene's armor exploding technique, which just adds to my point before.

Irene ended up inflicting self-damage on Wendy's body prior to switching back. That's the only reason why Wendy fell unconscious. It wasn't because of any attack.



Wendy didn't bother canceling out U1 and Erza's Circle Sword because it was irrelevant.

Irene wasted her time with U1. There was nothing to gain from changing tectonic plates.

Wendy was smarter than that. She canceled out Irene's combat spells and enhancement abilities.

Besides, undoing U1 would mean killing Gajeel, Natsu, Lucy, Mest, and Happy.

No, she won't need such feats. She already shown to transmute both inorganic and organic matter. Erza is getting transmuted. She has no resistance to matter manipulation. Erza has to show feats of resisting matter manipulation not the other wah around.

She did that in Irene's body and stated Irene's enchantment far surpasses her own.

And again Irene could've killed Wendy any time she wanted to. Plot is the reason why her and Erza are alive.

Irene did more than change tectonic plates, she compressed a country and distorted it. And her emporer landed right on FH, and she pushed Acno back for most of the war. So there was a big gain.

Wendy was not smarter than Irene. Irene lived over 400 years and has vast knowledge in magic. You're just throwing stuff at the wall now and hoping it'll stick.

Wendy couldn't cancel it out. She only cancelled two of Irene's attacks in her own body.

Natsu already stated to negate the heat spell which is why they survived. Gajeel would have survived either way. The way he survived was BS anyway.

 

[Nemispelled]

No, she won't need such feats. She already shown to transmute both inorganic and organic matter. Erza is getting transmuted. She has no resistance to matter manipulation. Erza has to show feats of resisting matter manipulation not the other wah around.

She did that in Irene's body and stated Irene's enchantment far surpasses her own.

And again Irene could've killed Wendy any time she wanted to. Plot is the reason why her and Erza are alive.

Irene did more than change tectonic plates, she compressed a country and distorted it. And her emporer landed right on FH, and she pushed Acno back for most of the war. So there was a big gain.

Wendy was not smarter than Irene. Irene lived over 400 years and has vast knowledge in magic. You're just throwing stuff at the wall now and hoping it'll stick.

Wendy couldn't cancel it out. She only cancelled two of Irene's attacks in her own body.

Natsu already stated to negate the heat spell which is why they survived. Gajeel would have survived either way. The way he survived was BS anyway.

Doubt it. She does need to prove it.

Otherwise, I guess Jacob doesn't need to prove that he can Transport and kill Acnologia. PIS was against him the whole arc.


I don't see how Irene could have killed Wendy and Erza. Her enchantments don't work because Wendy can cancel them. As for Universe One, it did Alvarez more harm than good. If August and Bloodman killed Natsu and Gajeel respectively, then Ishgar would definitely be on the losing side.

Acnologia had no intention of going after Zeref at the time. His goal was to first eliminate the dragon slayers. And 90% of the dragon slayers were on Ishgar's side, which would significantly help Alvarez win the war.


Age doesn't make you smarter. So Irene living for over 400+ years is irrelevant.

Wendy only tried to cancel out 2 of Irene's attacks. So her success rate is 2/2 or 100%. And she still countered Irene's enchantments several more times after that.


Natsu only negated the fire pillar. If Universe One didn't teleport him somewhere else, August & Brandish would have killed everybody in Natsu's group.

And Gajeel would have definitely died too... there's no way to twist that. BS or not, it's the facts.

 

[Brandish μ]

Judging from the posts I would've thought Irene got knocked out at 4

She's top 3 despite being nerfed for the rate, so that's good enough for her imho.
The title for Laxus though

Definitely one of the worst periods in the manga when Erza's nakagami + Sting giving up happened in the space of a couple chapters. So thx for the memories...

My fave Laxus spell (that wasn't mentioned) - the unnamed nuke >>> Abyss Break

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

I have to agree that Irene is a little overrated here.

Exactly what makes her one of the strongest mages in Earthland? So far, I've only seen arguments in favor of her magic power (which is completely reasonable). But MP is not the only factor when it comes to assessing a character's overall power.

Going through her list of spells, I can't think of anything exceptionally potent. She is practically featless when it comes to attack power. And her defense, while it isn't the worst, it isn't necessarily the best either. Irene mostly rides on hype, to be quite honest (her dragon form is a different story though).

One thing I want to point out is that: suicide ≠ unbeatable. A common misinterpretation among readers is that Hiro Mashima made Irene suicide because she was practically invincible. But in reality, the author wrote this to show Irene's guilt and feelings towards Erza (what we usually label as the effects of PoF). And just because PoF was involved, that doesn't mean the opponent it was used on was powerful (take all of Erza's previous opponents for example).

 

[Tirl]

My fave Laxus spell (that wasn't mentioned) - the unnamed nuke

It was exactly Lightning Bolt which he used against Natsu. The same move

 

[Jko]

Doubt it. She does need to prove it.

Otherwise, I guess Jacob doesn't need to prove that he can Transport and kill Acnologia. PIS was against him the whole arc.


I don't see how Irene could have killed Wendy and Erza. Her enchantments don't work because Wendy can cancel them. As for Universe One, it did Alvarez more harm than good. If August and Bloodman killed Natsu and Gajeel respectively, then Ishgar would definitely be on the losing side.

Acnologia had no intention of going after Zeref at the time. His goal was to first eliminate the dragon slayers. And 90% of the dragon slayers were on Ishgar's side, which would significantly help Alvarez win the war.


Age doesn't make you smarter. So Irene living for over 400+ years is irrelevant.

Wendy only tried to cancel out 2 of Irene's attacks. So her success rate is 2/2 or 100%. And she still countered Irene's enchantments several more times after that.


Natsu only negated the fire pillar. If Universe One didn't teleport him somewhere else, August & Brandish would have killed everybody in Natsu's group.

And Gajeel would have definitely died too... there's no way to twist that. BS or not, it's the facts.

Natsu and co would have gotten away or beat August because they are protected by Plot Armor and it's not like Irene knew August was even fighting Natsu. She got Zeref to FH and kept Acno at bay those gains outweigh the bad. Acno killed an S12 if you think he was on Alvarez side just bcs of some DS mission then you're sorely mistaken. Acno sides with no one and will kill anyone in his way. Also did your forget the fact that Irene is also a DS? Acno would have came after her eventually.

With Age comes more knowledge. Knowledge = Smarts. 400+ year of knowledge > 13 years of knowledge. Irene knew a lot more stuff than Wendy did therefore she is smarter. Like when has Wendy even show above average smarts?

Wendy only canceled out Irene's enchantments twice in her own body. That's it. Stop trying blow this out of proportion. Wendy herself already stated her enchantments are nothing to Irene's.

Makarov who was dead for twenty plus chapter got resurrected. You think Hiro wouldn't have brought back Gajeel one way or another?

Nemi we are going around in circles, if you actually think Wendy and Erza can beat Irene then that's on you. They couldn't even win against her with all their PIS, POF, and BS so I don't see how their surviving without it. Irene would murder them if she was serious. I'm not gonna further discuss this because we just won't see eye to eye.

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Irene sucided because Hiro wrote himself into a wall. Just like how August straight up suicided.

There would be no more FT if Zeref, Irene, and August ganged up on FT.

No one besides Natsu got a top tier power up in the end, and he ain't soloing those three.

 

[Reebi]

Age doesn't make you smarter.

. If someone was forever 35 their years of experience and their brain still sharp would make them very knowledgeable. The learning process, or smarts, are earned as the brain is muscle. That's why in most cultures the old are seen as the wisest.

Doubt it. She does need to prove it.

Otherwise, I guess Jacob doesn't need to prove that he can Transport and kill Acnologia. PIS was against him the whole arc.


I don't see how Irene could have killed Wendy and Erza. Her enchantments don't work because Wendy can cancel them. As for Universe One, it did Alvarez more harm than good. If August and Bloodman killed Natsu and Gajeel respectively, then Ishgar would definitely be on the losing side.

Acnologia had no intention of going after Zeref at the time. His goal was to first eliminate the dragon slayers. And 90% of the dragon slayers were on Ishgar's side, which would significantly help Alvarez win the war......
.....

Wendy only tried to cancel out 2 of Irene's attacks. So her success rate is 2/2 or 100%. And she still countered Irene's enchantments several more times after that.


Natsu only negated the fire pillar. If Universe One didn't teleport him somewhere else, August & Brandish would have killed everybody in Natsu's group.

And Gajeel would have definitely died too... there's no way to twist that. BS or not, it's the facts.

Wendy and Erza only won because Irene lost her marbles and her head wasn't in the game. Just like Manchester United losing to Manchester city. Best feasts =/= winner. Also, Mashima can't let Erza lose, hense destroying an effing metor

 

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Natsu and co would have gotten away or beat August because they are protected by Plot Armor and it's not like Irene knew August was even fighting Natsu. She got Zeref to FH and kept Acno at bay those gains outweigh the bad. Acno killed an S12 if you think he was on Alvarez side just bcs of some DS mission then you're sorely mistaken. Acno sides with no one and will kill anyone in his way. Also did your forget the fact that Irene is also a DS? Acno would have came after her eventually.

With Age comes more knowledge. Knowledge = Smarts. 400+ year of knowledge > 13 years of knowledge. Irene knew a lot more stuff than Wendy did therefore she is smarter. Like when has Wendy even show above average smarts?

Wendy only canceled out Irene's enchantments twice in her own body. That's it. Stop trying blow this out of proportion. Wendy herself already stated her enchantments are nothing to Irene's.

Makarov who was dead for twenty plus chapter got resurrected. You think Hiro wouldn't have brought back Gajeel one way or another?

Nemi we are going around in circles, if you actually think Wendy and Erza can beat Irene then that's on you. They couldn't even win against her with all their PIS, POF, and BS so I don't see how their surviving without it. Irene would murder them if she was serious. I'm not gonna further discuss this because we just won't see eye to eye.

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Irene sucided because Hiro wrote himself into a wall. Just like how August straight up suicided.

There would be no more FT if Zeref, Irene, and August ganged up on FT.

No one besides Natsu got a top tier power up in the end, and he ain't soloing those three.

Ok, really, this "plot armor" excuse is getting old.

According to you, all of Acnologia and Irene's misfortunes can be explained by PIS, PoF, Plot Armor, Mashima writing himself into a wall, etc...

At this rate, we're going to deny every single aspect of the manga and simply justify it as "plot armor"... because that's the easiest way to explain it.

That's a pretty selective judgement. (bias)


By that logic, I rest my case.

But it is worth noting:

Jacob was treated unfairly throughout the whole manga. He was nerfed and heavily affected by plot, PoF, and other nakama power-ups.

He deserves to be ranked #1 in this rate because he can instantly Transport everybody to death.

Jacob could oneshot Irene, Acnologia, Zeref, Natsu, and Gildartz all at the same time, but PiS prevented him from doing so.

He shouldn't have been eliminated so early... he has enough power to oneshot Ishgar.

Makes me wonder why he didn't get a perfect score of 13 from everybody...


#PrejudiceAgainstJacob2017