It is published in Seinen magazine actually.It should be. And might as well be.
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It is published in Seinen magazine actually.It should be. And might as well be.
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Somebody forgot to check a box would be my guess.It is published in Seinen magazine actually.
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VS also has an inherent disadvantage being a gritty drama. It has no sexiness. One Punch-man..@Jammin I see where you're coming from with the Berserk bias, but I didn't really see it like that. Their character arcs have similarities, the overall experience from the 2 is different. OPM/Saitama have originality in their favour, and this is a campaign so don't mind me keep hacking away (and Fubuki almost wins it for me).
Yukimura followed the epic prologue of VS with what is called Farmland Saga by some people lol. It was quite a bold move from the author to sacrifice the war setting and it's best character; then have Thorfinn trade his weapons for a shovel - all to develop Thorfinn.. The Farm arc was great imo. The only arc I think that is dragging a bit is the current one, well it's more that it's lacking a little direction.
OPM will probably never do something so drastic, and it shouldn't need to. OPM needs to keep it's charm though. I wouldn't completely disagree with someone if they said the satire has become stagnant and requires fresh ideas. I personally don't see it that way, since I was quite entertained by the Suiryu fight, was hyped to read the chapters (and felt teased a lot throughout it).
One slight advantage for VS is the hardcover volumes, I really like those.
Please dominate me.
I'll add some Fubuki picsVS also has an inherent disadvantage being a gritty drama. It has no sexiness. One Punch-man..
Sure they were "raised" on the battlefield but their circumstances were completely different. Thorfinn was never betrayed by any friend, he didn't have friends till Farmland. He tries to kill Askeladd not because he was ever a friend or he betrayed him, but because he killed his father and he tries NUMEROUS times to the point that you could call it sport, not some big battle that holds both character arcs in the balance and has had massive lead-up to it.Really? A kid raised on the battle field. Betrayed by someone he thought a friend. He tries to kill him and then is defeated but survives. Which only serves as a long prologue to what comes from there. The real story begins.
Yeah and I realized it right off the second sentence.Does that sound familiar? Because I'm describing Berserk.
Religion was very loose for Vikings. They ditched some customs and accepted others without much thought. It was all folk tales and jargon to make the time pass by.My ancestry is Scandinavian and German and my grandparents were extremely into their Swedish roots. As I result I've probably read up on it more than the average person. But some stuff I think everybody should be able to notice easily enough. Like Vikings were deeply superstitious. All the time. Religion wasn't just a hype tool for war it was a world view. It bled into everything they did. You see bird circling? It means something. You see a dear somewhere you usually don't? That means something too. Vinland Saga barely touches that.
There are small doses of superhuman acts but for the most part its extremely accurate to how fighting actually takes place. As for group tactics, we saw plenty of it. Almost everything Askeladd did was some kind of raiding tactic. It is extremely accurate in that regard.With the combat it's mostly absurd superhuman manga stuff. With minimal use of organized small group tactics. Which is how Vikings actually fought. In the context of fictional work that doesn't matter but in a historical series it ruins the very thing your trying to do. Vinland Saga treats it like dynasty warriors.
You cant go into something expecting a 100% accurate adaption because that is quite literally impossible. Especially when tackling history that occurred over a millennium ago. Of course the author is going to take artistic liberties to fill in the gaps and drive some kind of narrative, I don't see how you can possibly use this as any sort of argument against a series.You don't go up and down in Viking social class very often either. The real Thorfinn was born a noble and died a noble. None of this thrall stuff. Probably wasn't a jedi-ninja viking either.
Wow, dude. Just.. wow. Way to dismiss an entire culture you don't understand. Though I guess I can't blame you if your getting your info from Vinland Saga. They would sacrifice their own children to this stuff and willingly to be burned alive. That's how seriously they took it.Religion was very loose for Vikings. They ditched some customs and accepted others without much thought. It was all folk tales and jargon to make the time pass by.
Only as a backdrop to some character or other dueling it out with some other major character in a samurai showdown. With extra's getting slaughtered in between. Which, again, I have no problem with unless it's in the context of a historical series. Because that suggest realism and fighting like that is about as realistic as if everybody pulled out ray guns.There are small doses of superhuman acts but for the most part its extremely accurate to how fighting actually takes place. As for group tactics, we saw plenty of it. Almost everything Askeladd did was some kind of raiding tactic. It is extremely accurate in that regard.
"Artistic liberties" Everything is made up. At that point you might as well just make it fantasy.You cant go into something expecting a 100% accurate adaption because that is quite literally impossible. Especially when tackling history that occurred over a millennium ago. Of course the author is going to take artistic liberties to fill in the gaps and drive some kind of narrative, I don't see how you can possibly use this as any sort of argument against a series.
Can you explain to me then why they adopted a new religion like christianity at the drop of a hat then? I know a few religious fanatics, I couldnt make them break one simple rule from their religion let alone adopt an entirely different one.Wow, dude. Just.. wow. Way to dismiss an entire culture you don't understand. Though I guess I can't blame you if your getting your info from Vinland Saga. They would sacrifice their own children to this stuff and willingly to be burned alive. That's how seriously they took it.
We have had like what, 2-3 1 vs 1s so far? And lets not pretend like they never happened. You are acting like the whole series centers around 1 vs 1s, lets not exaggerate here. We have seen countless times Askeladd employ deceptive pillaging tactics, we have seen countless times various fort defence mechanisms enacted and people fighting people with damn near no "samurai showdowns" aside from the select few challenges.Only as a backdrop to some character or other dueling it out with some other major character in a samurai showdown. With extra's getting slaughtered in between. Which, again, I have no problem with unless it's in the context of a historical series. Because that suggest realism and fighting like that is about as realistic as if everybody pulled out ray guns.
"Artistic liberties" Everything is made up. At that point you might as well just make it fantasy.
Prepare for a boring explanation. But remember you asked for it.Can you explain to me then why they adopted a new religion like christianity at the drop of a hat then? I know a few religious fanatics, I couldnt make them break one simple rule from their religion let alone adopt an entirely different one.
I'm not offended. I just don't think the historical aspect is worth even a shred of praise. Other parts of it are. Like the artwork. Which I've said.We have had like what, 2-3 1 vs 1s so far? And lets not pretend like they never happened. You are acting like the whole series centers around 1 vs 1s, lets not exaggerate here. We have seen countless times Askeladd employ deceptive pillaging tactics, we have seen countless times various fort defence mechanisms enacted and people fighting people with damn near no "samurai showdowns" aside from the select few challenges.
And I pity you feeling that way, because you are truly missing out on some great series. I dont see why you feel so offended at the prospect of a manga drawing material from historical events also taking creative liberties to propel the story forward. I dont think there is any "based on true story" manga that doesn't.
The names aren't made up but just about everything else is. Thorfinn wasn't even known for being a warrior. He was an explorer.The setting is not made up. Many of the characters arent made up. The journey (locations visited, thus far) haven't been made up. The way Vikings fight and pillage is not made up. The historical tension between different groups and countries is not made up. Lets be honest here, the majority of it is not made up. The things that are are you being nit picky.
Is it really fair to say that anyone could do what ONE and Murata have done? I mean not only is Murata one of the best in the business art wise (tbf so is Yukimura), but there really are not any other mainstream parody manga out there of OPM's level, minus Gintama that I know of. So if anybody could do it, then why are there not more extremely popular ones out there?The Characters of Vinland - Part 1
Some say that Vinland could never bring itself back up to what it started off with. Some just don't understand. Vinland has that special quality that One Punch Man simply does not possess. Anybody could come up with a gag manga that pokes fun at Shounen troupes and teases its own demographic. OPM doesn't have characters with as much lasting appeal as those of Vinland. Instead there are a few recognisable ones among countless others that just get forgotten. It doesn't actually teach you anything, which is something only a truly special story can.
Yes yes this is the mandatory pick apart the oppositions arguments period of the round.Is it really fair to say that anyone could do what ONE and Murata have done? I mean not only is Murata one of the best in the business art wise (tbf so is Yukimura), but there really are not any other mainstream parody manga out there of OPM's level, minus Gintama that I know of. So if anybody could do it, then why are there not more extremely popular ones out there?
Again I disagree with these comparisons that assume teaching you something = better. If we comparing similar manga in tone (as in serious vs serious) I can see it, but this is completely different. You don't read OPM to learn stuff, you read it to have a great laugh (assuming this is your style of humor) and marvel at the great action sequences that take place on a frequent basis. It is something that not only former/current shonen fans can enjoy, but superhero comic fans can enjoy as well since it arguably makes fun of them equally. I don't have any issue with some preferring Vinlands style, in fact in most cases I do too, but inferring it should be a clear choice when they are so different, is in my opinion, not entirely fair.
As for the characters, I agree OPM does not have an Askeladd (who I regard as one of the best characters in manga period), but it does have a very colorful cast of characters that do have far more depth than they would ever need to have for this type of series. Saitama alone is unique in that he is an MC that is arguably the author in written form, the way he tears down the hype and nonsense we see in common shonen/superhero series.
Overall, you could say Vinland changed its tone to some degree and that is a turn-off in some ways, or you could say OPM's satire and parody antics get old, but either way for the people that connect with these different types of series, you cannot do way better than these two in my eyes.
You know, I agreed so much with the first part. Previous posts and WYIS analysis did a great job at convincing me and, as I considered your opinion quite valid given the seriousness you are showing while explaining your choice, it almost got my vote.The point I was trying to make is that Vinland Saga has a variety of themes which the author handles at a very high level. That's something which counts a lot from my point of view. Does OPM need complexity or depth? Not really, as you said. But if I have to choose between a manga which only never fails to make my eyes sparkle and a manga which does the same, plus gives me a ride of feels, makes me think about the story, question the decisions of characters and so on, then this becomes - as much as I like OPM - an easy choice for me.
I started to watch S&W, but dropped it right after Lambu's betrayal got revealed in the Mafia Game.
#Not.my.fault.
I just realized that you nominated OPM. u.u"
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