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[Nii]

!votekill Emperor Spriggan

I quoted his post and asked, he liked it, but he never said anything. I'm assuming it's a mafia that gave up. I was waiting to see if anyone would try to save him, which these recent votekills may just be...
Wish he gave me a response, but as things stands he's the only suspect I have(other than EmptySoul who also did the same follow-up vote thing but without such a weird give-up post).

In case Spriggan dies today and shows mafia, those who voted on someone else in these last hours are probably mafias who tried saving him.




You know I always love people sharing hints as early as possible. So I'll go ahead and say things about me. I feel like I'm getting memed by the hosts with this role, it isn't gonna be very useful and I will very likely kill myself with it sooner or later. I'm hoping for later, but you never know.

I don't think you can make such a statement, and you better shouldn't, at least not this early in the game. People already pointed out a possible second mafia, but even if there's only one mafia group, voting for Spriggan or against him doesn't prove anything. I mean a mafia member could think both ways, join the easy bandwagon to make themselves look innocent, or to vote for someone else to protect him. Both have risks, but it's not the first time that a mafia joined a bandwagon killing one of their comrades, because it potentially gives them a high amount of trust among the townies. I've seen mafia members surviving for a very long time because people stopped questioning them, simply because they voted for a fellow mafia member. To me neither side would be safe from suspicion, at least not this early on.

I'm mostly saying this for newbies, because those tend to be easily influenced. No one can prove his innocence, no matter if they voted for Spriggan or not. It's just too early to tell, and simply giving people the benefit of the doubt bc of a single vote won't help the townies in the long run. If we go by what's likely, there's at least one mafia member voting for Spriggan, and there's likely another one among the people who voted for someone else. It's a given that at least one pretty inactive person is a mafia member too, going by my experience that has always been the case. I think you're a rather experienced player, so I'm kinda surprised you're jumping the horse that easily. Weren't you the first one to point out that Emperor is suspicious? Now that would basically make you the most trustable, going by your logic.

And that is... potentially a pretty great mafia move. Because you already know he's going to turn out as mafia, and just like that a huge group of people would trust you.

Just some food for thought though, at this stage there's just no way to accurately judge anyone for sure, at least as long as no major fuckups happen.
I agree that Emperor seems quite fishy, so maybe he will get my vote as well.

That or someone really inactive, because that group always annoys me. If you sign up for this game, you have to be able to put in at least SOME time, otherwise you're simply ruining the game for others, or are making things way more difficult. Inactive people who barely keep the minimum activity usually are the most annoying, because there's hardly anything suspicious to point out besides being inactive... and that is an annoyance for both the mafia and the townies, but especially for the townies, because it makes figuring out potential mafia way harder.

Anyway, I think I will give the thread another short look It's been a long day at work but if I sign up I'm going to give this my best shot, so I'm not voting for anyone that easily.

 

[xnut]

Why not vote him yourself then?



You know what you signed up for, I give no mercy to anyone.



I like how you're talking as if you determine if I'll be kept around longer or not despite just being a "townie". Well I'll take your word for it Lambu, "keep me around" for longer, especially during nights



So you have a role you liked at first, then read it's description and didn't like it then? Which role could even bait someone like that with just the name?

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Huh. You see when I wrote that yesterday there was no extra text in the update post. They must've felt the need to include that since the OP was lacking stuff? Not sure what exactly to decipher from it, but it could very well mean there's more than just 1 Note after all?

As for the blind luck part you mentioned, right below that they conclude it with "For clarity sake, let's keep track of our investigation somewhere!". I think this post has hints scattered around. I take it this means any investigative role can find out if the target has a Note, and that we have several investigative roles in the game?

I thought it said investigative roles come up with the same result as a non town would?

 

[gnut]

Exactly because there‘s two mafias they would have even more reason to try saving someone due to their lower numbers. I never said the ones who voted Spriggan are safe, but those who try saving him here can give us targets for who the mafias of his group are.

Ofc that‘s all if he‘s mafia. He may also be baiting us with some lynch-active role.

So you are saying....who ever doesnt vote spriggan is suspect?
Why....
Because you interpret he is giving up....?

He's about to get lynched....why not just ask him to role reveal then...just saying.

Also,emptysoul did the same thing as far as im concerned....and monkey jumped so easily on the spriggan train...
But you dont question them....only those who come later and vote other than spriggan.
When yourself just voted him.....idk gry.

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

Also,emptysoul did the same thing as far as im concerned....and monkey jumped so easily on the spriggan train...

I did give my reasoning for it here :

Votekill Emperor Spriggan
Suspicious behavior, not much of a rebuttal to defend himself, disappointed

I didn't just "jump" on the spriggan train.

 

[xnut]

Votekill GrySun for now Spriggan slipped up but idk

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Not slip up, excuse me that sounds wrong

 

[Nii]

Well I think for now I will vote for Emptysoul. Reasons for that are:

1. Almost as suspicious as Emperor Spriggan, he sounds and feels like a potential newbie mafia.

2. Voting for an inactive person at this point is useless, and it's a favourite argument of mafia members trying to frame a townie as mafia ("Look here, that guy only voted for some inactive person, suspicious!")

3. Way less danger. This round ends soon, and I don't want to be the last one voting for Emperor Spriggan. If he turns out to be a bomb I'm gone, not going to risk that.

4. He is Eva-obasan (though I guess only syx and Magi can understand this point )

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I almost forgot...

votekill EmptySoul

 

[gnut]

I did give my reasoning for it here :

I didn't just "jump" on the spriggan train.

Im not questioning your vote....yet.
But you did add to a bandwagon none the less....
So not for nothing....i wonder why gry isnt going at you or emptysoul for the same reason?

 

[GrySun]

I thought it said investigative roles come up with the same result as a non town would?

Where does it say that?

So you are saying....who ever doesnt vote spriggan is suspect?
Why....
Because you interpret he is giving up....?

He's about to get lynched....why not just ask him to role reveal then...just saying.

Also,emptysoul did the same thing as far as im concerned....and monkey jumped so easily on the spriggan train...
But you dont question them....only those who come later and vote other than spriggan.
When yourself just voted him.....idk gry.

Come on uncle are you even reading my posts? I told you why, they have low numbers so one life is huge to try and save indirectly.

I also made a post to Spriggan. I asked him to respond, I hoped for him to tell me something, anything. He hasn‘t. I never have any problems with switching my vote if there‘s reason to, which he didn‘t provide.

I also questioned EmptySoul and talked about why I pick Spriggan over him.

Seriously why you skipping my posts?

I don't think you can make such a statement, and you better shouldn't, at least not this early in the game. People already pointed out a possible second mafia, but even if there's only one mafia group, voting for Spriggan or against him doesn't prove anything. I mean a mafia member could think both ways, join the easy bandwagon to make themselves look innocent, or to vote for someone else to protect him. Both have risks, but it's not the first time that a mafia joined a bandwagon killing one of their comrades, because it potentially gives them a high amount of trust among the townies. I've seen mafia members surviving for a very long time because people stopped questioning them, simply because they voted for a fellow mafia member. To me neither side would be safe from suspicion, at least not this early on.

I'm mostly saying this for newbies, because those tend to be easily influenced. No one can prove his innocence, no matter if they voted for Spriggan or not. It's just too early to tell, and simply giving people the benefit of the doubt bc of a single vote won't help the townies in the long run. If we go by what's likely, there's at least one mafia member voting for Spriggan, and there's likely another one among the people who voted for someone else. It's a given that at least one pretty inactive person is a mafia member too, going by my experience that has always been the case. I think you're a rather experienced player, so I'm kinda surprised you're jumping the horse that easily. Weren't you the first one to point out that Emperor is suspicious? Now that would basically make you the most trustable, going by your logic.

And that is... potentially a pretty great mafia move. Because you already know he's going to turn out as mafia, and just like that a huge group of people would trust you.

Just some food for thought though, at this stage there's just no way to accurately judge anyone for sure, at least as long as no major fuckups happen.
I agree that Emperor seems quite fishy, so maybe he will get my vote as well.

That or someone really inactive, because that group always annoys me. If you sign up for this game, you have to be able to put in at least SOME time, otherwise you're simply ruining the game for others, or are making things way more difficult. Inactive people who barely keep the minimum activity usually are the most annoying, because there's hardly anything suspicious to point out besides being inactive... and that is an annoyance for both the mafia and the townies, but especially for the townies, because it makes figuring out potential mafia way harder.

Anyway, I think I will give the thread another short look It's been a long day at work but if I sign up I'm going to give this my best shot, so I'm not voting for anyone that easily.

I can make that statement and I did. Nothing is ever proven so early, but it can be a useful thing to consider in the next day, especially if I don‘t survive to day 2 and you all conveniently skip talking about it. I said several times it‘s nothing 100%, there can both be mafias there and not, but I don‘t want to see such things get ignored like in the last few games after I died.

How come both you and gnut are so jumpy when we haven‘t even seen Spriggan‘s role? Do you already know he‘s mafia which is why you‘re saying this? After all, all I‘m saying loses significance if Spriggan shows as Townie.

I appreciate you thinking of the beginners, but I‘m not deceiving people, those are my thoughts on things if Spriggan turns mafia and if I’m not alive tomorrow to talk about it.

 

[gnut]

Seeing as you seem to be relatively safe from harm at this very moment, you’ll have time to convince me I guess. Guess you have Spriggan to thank for that.

I’m gonna watch Stranger Things with my wife and then go to bed. Will check in on the result but probably (!) not post more tonight (ie this Phase). Bai.

See...i dont like this
Why xnut,emptysoul and monkey like this post?

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Where does it say that?



Come on uncle are you even reading my posts? I told you why, they have low numbers so one life is huge to try and save indirectly.

I also made a post to Spriggan. I asked him to respond, I hoped for him to tell me something, anything. He hasn‘t. I never have any problems with switching my vote if there‘s reason to, which he didn‘t provide.

I also questioned EmptySoul and talked about why I pick Spriggan over him.

Seriously why you skipping my posts?



I can make that statement and I did. Nothing is ever proven so early, but it can be a useful thing to consider in the next day, especially if I don‘t survive to day 2 and you all conveniently skip talking about it. I said several times it‘s nothing 100%, there can both be mafias there and not, but I don‘t want to see such things get ignored like in the last few games after I died.

How come both you and gnut are so jumpy when we haven‘t even seen Spriggan‘s role? Do you already know he‘s mafia which is why you‘re saying this? After all, all I‘m saying loses significance if Spriggan shows as Townie.

I appreciate you thinking of the beginners, but I‘m not deceiving people, those are my thoughts on things if Spriggan turns mafia and if I’m not alive tomorrow to talk about it.

Ok...post below you.
We got the whole team

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

Why xnut,emptysoul and monkey like this post?

Because him going to watch a show with his wife is romantic. I liked.

And I'm not kidding

 

[gnut]

Because him going to watch a show with his wife is romantic. I liked.

And I'm not kidding

 

[xnut]

I literally liked his comment about stranger things and that he has a wife and I have no girlfriend to watch season 2 with

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

Im not questioning your vote....yet.
But you did add to a bandwagon none the less....
So not for nothing....i wonder why gry isnt going at you or emptysoul for the same reason?

Also for this, I did give my reasoning, which at day 1 not many can question that kind of reasoning (not like anybody did). Even you aren't questioning my vote, and the phase is gone end in 40 minutes or so, really having no defense besides "I'm innocent" when somebody is accused of being mafia and acting suspiciously isn't really the best thing to do.

Unless you have a more suspicious person to vote for.

 

[Hermit]

Lmao Emperor sprig getting ganged up on
Dont know why though thats just his usual shady personality
I could be wrong though

This insolence

How come both you and gnut are so jumpy when we haven‘t even seen Spriggan‘s role? Do you already know he‘s mafia which is why you‘re saying this? After all, all I‘m saying loses significance if Spriggan shows as Townie.

 

[gnut]

I leave up to the town....they liked his post because of Stranger Things or the fact he smiled emoji that spriggan is gettibg lynched.....haha
Just for being a try hard monkey....im voting you....lolololol
Im the magi this game....xDDDDDDD

 

[xnut]

Where does it say that?

Rule 8 in purple text

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

I leave up to the town....they liked his post because of Stranger Things or the fact he smiled emoji that spriggan is gettibg lynched.....haha
Just for being a try hard monkey....im voting you....lolololol
Im the magi this game....xDDDDDDD

lmao, actually I'll say you nailed it. Keep it up, I look forward to the Magi-ness

 

[Nii]

I can make that statement and I did. Nothing is ever proven so early, but it can be a useful thing to consider in the next day, especially if I don‘t survive to day 2 and you all conveniently skip talking about it. I said several times it‘s nothing 100%, there can both be mafias there and not, but I don‘t want to see such things get ignored like in the last few games after I died.

How come both you and gnut are so jumpy when we haven‘t even seen Spriggan‘s role? Do you already know he‘s mafia which is why you‘re saying this? After all, all I‘m saying loses significance if Spriggan shows as Townie.

I appreciate you thinking of the beginners, but I‘m not deceiving people, those are my thoughts on things if Spriggan turns mafia and if I’m not alive tomorrow to talk about it.

All I'm saying is that your post did sound like "oh if Emperor is mafia then everyone who didn't vote for him is very suspicious and most likely the mafia members are among them", and I wanted to add that it's not as simple as that. Dunno if I potentially misunderstood but that's the impression I got, so just like you I felt like I had to say that things certainly aren't that easy. I've seen the exact opposite as you, where people start jumping on the ones who didn't vote for a lynched mafia member and then it ended in disaster because that was just the perfect scenario for the mafia members. I agree that people not voting for him are potentially more suspicious, somewhat, but it's no reason to instavote someone like that on the next day, and then a silly bandwagon starts.That's what I was trying to say, because who knows, I might end up dead this night, it has happened before. Just like I pointed out, it was a food for thought, something to keep in mind, so I guess we're almost on the same page in the end

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

On another note, are the names @xnut and @gnut somehow planned ? I'm always wondering about this

 

[Demonspeed]

On another note, are the names @xnut and @gnut somehow planned ? I'm always wondering about this

They are father and son.