Games Mafia Game 58 - Umineko: How to play 13 - END GAME

[Spirit]

Do you know who has the note Zasz?

 

[gnut]

just checked on the rules, they can talk only in night phases.

Im not worried about lovers...cause if a townie lover has it,well i hope they are smart.
If the mafia one gets it....nothing we couldve done of about it....no?
The SK thing scares me...what if they get extra ability...like assasin poisoner,etc
Could really mess up our thinking.

 

[EmptySoul]

I didnt think my action of voting Erinyes after WYIS was suspicious,i ady explained that i was ady voting Erinyes before his post as well
That action only looked suspicious when Emperor Spriggan was revealed to be mafia imo
If i really were mafia would i really make such a dumb move even after seeing how Emperor spriggan was being questioned and accused of being suspicious about it

-Whats wrong with it coming down to a gut feeling?
Its day 1 you gotta choose somebody

You're pretty determined to get rid of me,maybe you should focus on explaining yourself instead to the bunch of people excluding myself who also believe you're suspicious as well
Just saying Your plan of getting rid of me might backfire & u just might be the one getting lynched by the end of the day

 

[Vandred]

Well...didnt i say van and niichan had to be behind demons death.
Van,why in the world would you want to keep obvious mafia around to take a shot at someone they are incriminating lol.

I been watching niichan since early day 1....his post made the hair on my neck stand up....the "work together" thing.

Anyways....votekill niichan

I didn't say we should lynch the one he's incriminating Even though the fact that he's voting her doesn't clear EmptySoul, either.

As for why keeping him alive until tomorrow, there's a good number of reasons why it could be useful. Including providing a reliable investigation target for Dets in a game where you can trust those results even less than usual, as I already said...

 

[syx]

Couldn‘t the bad guest refer to a (mafia) player who was invited by the Barkeeper?

 

[Spirit]

How would keeping him alive benefit detectives though. I'm not saying we should lynch him or not, but really, we don't know what his allegiance is. So your argument doesn't really stand.

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Couldn‘t the bad guest refer to a (mafia) player who was invited by the Barkeeper?

I interpreted it as normal townies becoming killers with the note.

 

[gnut]

I didn't say we should lynch the one he's incriminating Even though the fact that he's voting her doesn't clear EmptySoul, either.

As for why keeping him alive until tomorrow, there's a good number of reasons why it could be useful. Including providing a reliable investigation target for Dets in a game where you can trust those results even less than usual, as I already said...

So that you guys can claim niichan has the note and thats why a det gets guilty on him....yeah,good one van.
But your boy goes down today....yall shouldnt have killed demon....yall are a bunch of mean ass trolls.

 

[Nii]

I didnt think my action of voting Erinyes after WYIS was suspicious,i ady explained that i was ady voting Erinyes before his post as well
That action only looked suspicious when Emperor Spriggan was revealed to be mafia imo
If i really were mafia would i really make such a dumb move even after seeing how Emperor spriggan was being questioned and accused of being suspicious about it

-Whats wrong with it coming down to a gut feeling?
Its day 1 you gotta choose somebody

You're pretty determined to get rid of me,maybe you should focus on explaining yourself instead to the bunch of people excluding myself who also believe you're suspicious as well
Just saying Your plan of getting rid of me might backfire & u just might be the one getting lynched by the end of the day

Well the problem with that is, that there's no one else who's suspicious besides you and xnut atm. It's kinda difficult with activity being THAT low and barely anyone saying anything useful (to get a feeling for whether they are mafia or not). That's exactly the problem I had with what Gry said, now it's all focused on you and me and basically everyone else gets a free pass and doesn't get questioned. Now if you or me ask anyone else, it's just going to look like "oh look he/she is trying to shift the blame". But if you have to thank anyone for that, it's Gry, so if one of us gets killed then the townies are going to be clueless about anyone else during the next dayphase, besides either me or you potentially being the target of Day 3. I really don't think Gry did us townies any favour by jumping so hard on a single person, even if it wasn't me.

Besides that what you said is fine and all, but WHAT is your reason for voting Erin? I still haven't heard anything about that

 

[Gryffindor]

Not sure about the EmptySoul stuff yet, 50/50 for me at the moment. At first I did think it was odd how niichan kept pushing that agenda. I suspect him, so it wouldn't make sense to attack her(assuming she's mafia like he claims) because that would be trying to get rid of another mafia right after Spriggan was lynched the day before and thinning your crew, but apparently you can have more than one mafia group, so it makes sense to try and thin out the other group if it exists. So some doubts there.

Elusia is also another one, she was quick to address doubts against her, but nothing much after that, so a lot of lurking going on. But the timezones I guess can be an issue.

 

[Vandred]

How would keeping him alive benefit detectives though. I'm not saying we should lynch him or not, but really, we don't know what his allegiance is. So your argument doesn't really stand.

So that you guys can claim niichan has the note and thats why a det gets guilty on him....yeah,good one van.
But your boy goes down today....yall shouldnt have killed demon....yall are a bunch of mean ass trolls.

What's more, if you're so convinced niichan is mafia and a townie is holding the Note, wouldn't it be simpler to tell them to use it to kill niichan tonight, after he'll have been investigated by Dets, so that he'll most likely turn up dead tomorrow and they could have a clear reading of their sanity?

Or lynching him tomorrow in case that doesn't happen. Which should provide some useful info on its own based on how he survives today. I'm saying right now that I'd votelock him right away tomorrow, whether he claims he was holding the Note or not. Who would even believe him, at that point...?

 

[Zasz]

Do you know who has the note Zasz?

Probably, but it's just my gut feeling so I might be wrong. LOL
Hope I'm not though.

 

[GrySun]

Guys this could be huge. Vand keeps saying multiple times that we can use niichan for our dets. I feel like he is baiting our dets while at the same time keeping niichan alive. If we kill niichan and he dies as mafia boss, Vandred is a 100% confirmed mafia in my eyes.

That's actually an interesting thought, the Note being a hindrance for mafia and a chance to kill for townies. That would be pretty cool.

Just as I should know that we'll have to kill both mafias, you should know what a stomp a game where one of the mafia is unilaterally slaughtered can turn into, especially once the more obvious lies are going to crop up. Besides, if you're so sure niichan is mafia, wouldn't it be more useful to keep him alive as a target for Dets for one more night? Unless we get a confirmed townie, the remaining ones (which I seriously hope are at least a couple) are going to be in the dark about their results unless they get really lucky, even more so with the Note there to muddle up results. Still, I'd have to agree that it doesn't necessarily need to be niichan. The day is still not over yet, and a few interesting details are already appearing...

By the way, I'm not sure if you're trolling me about my "usual" train of thought, since I've been mafia more times than I've been townie

On that note, I can tell you my role feels a little like a return to the basics. It works similarly to the only other townie role I've had, but with much less cool applications...

That's what makes most sense balance wise. In day 1 I thought mafia could just keep the note with themselves forever, but if it hinders them so much then they are forced to give it away, ensuring the game is balanced and town has nightkills. A really cool mechanic if that's true.

I only have people's posts to figure out mafias from townies, and niichan is currently the only one I am very certain of being a mafia. As long as 1-2 mafias of Spriggan's mafia remain they can try to kill the other mafia. But then again, what if there's just 1 mafia? You are wanting us to keep alive niichan even though for all we know it could be 1 big mafia. This is not the same case as with Daws in that one game, where we already knew there were 2 mafias and we wanted him as a living shield/info provider. This could potentially all be a huge mistake, and you're willing to risk it for a possibility of there being 2 townies. They may just be laughing at us as we let them live longer while we kill townies.
And relying on niichan for det results could also be a big mistake. What if he's the boss? If we kill him today and he shows as boss you are going to the top of my suspect list Vand, at light speed.

So all I'm saying is, we should try and preserve the other mafia only once we know that there's 2 of them, and once they have less members.

Not trolling you, even as mafia you didn't make such obvious weird plays. You are trying to save a situation so you're forcing the mistakes upon yourself.

 

[Vandred]

Well the problem with that is, that there's no one else who's suspicious besides you and xnut atm. It's kinda difficult with activity being THAT low and barely anyone saying anything useful (to get a feeling for whether they are mafia or not). That's exactly the problem I had with what Gry said, now it's all focused on you and me and basically everyone else gets a free pass and doesn't get questioned. Now if you or me ask anyone else, it's just going to look like "oh look he/she is trying to shift the blame". But if you have to thank anyone for that, it's Gry, so if one of us gets killed then the townies are going to be clueless about anyone else during the next dayphase, besides either me or you potentially being the target of Day 3. I really don't think Gry did us townies any favour by jumping so hard on a single person, even if it wasn't me.

I definitely agree on that one...

 

[Nii]

Or lynching him tomorrow in case that doesn't happen. Which should provide some useful info on its own based on how he survives today. I'm saying right now that I'd votelock him right away tomorrow, whether he claims he was holding the Note or not. Who would even believe him, at that point...?

I can easily answer now, I don't have the Note xD

 

[GrySun]

This is gold So niichan makes a mistake with Spriggan, one that's only possible because he saw his PM that Spriggan is mafia with him. And then we have Vandred here, trying very hard to keep niichan alive. Even saying that our dets should check him. This is so not Vandred, not at all. He usually doesn't think this narrow-mindedly. He has to cope with a sudden bad situation, which is hilarious. 2 mafias right there.

The difference is that I actually argued with you, while EmptySoul has yet to say anything to defend her behaviour. How am I supposed to change my opinion if she only agrees that her behaviour looks suspicious, and besides that she's posting nothing? You sure are turning into a try-hard more and more

I'm always a tryhard I like playing this game. And my favorite thing is after a lynch seeing the lynched guy showing as mafia, feels nice man.

 

[gnut]

Guys this could be huge. Vand keeps saying multiple times that we can use niichan for our dets. I feel like he is baiting our dets while at the same time keeping niichan alive. If we kill niichan and he dies as mafia boss, Vandred is a 100% confirmed mafia in my eyes.



That's what makes most sense balance wise. In day 1 I thought mafia could just keep the note with themselves forever, but if it hinders them so much then they are forced to give it away, ensuring the game is balanced and town has nightkills. A really cool mechanic if that's true.

I only have people's posts to figure out mafias from townies, and niichan is currently the only one I am very certain of being a mafia. As long as 1-2 mafias of Spriggan's mafia remain they can try to kill the other mafia. But then again, what if there's just 1 mafia? You are wanting us to keep alive niichan even though for all we know it could be 1 big mafia. This is not the same case as with Daws in that one game, where we already knew there were 2 mafias and we wanted him as a living shield/info provider. This could potentially all be a huge mistake, and you're willing to risk it for a possibility of there being 2 townies. They may just be laughing at us as we let them live longer while we kill townies.
And relying on niichan for det results could also be a big mistake. What if he's the boss? If we kill him today and he shows as boss you are going to the top of my suspect list Vand, at light speed.

So all I'm saying is, we should try and preserve the other mafia only once we know that there's 2 of them, and once they have less members.

Not trolling you, even as mafia you didn't make such obvious weird plays. You are trying to save a situation so you're forcing the mistakes upon yourself.

Gettem nephew...they killed demon.

You know in your heart....this is for you demon

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#gryeternaltownie

 

[GrySun]

That if might not that big though, if you know what I mean.
Call it gut feeling or however you want, but I'm sure a Townie has the note right now.
Either way, I really wouldn't want you to be votekilled like this nii.
For the time being, you don't seem to be that suspicious to me after all.

Zasz am I smelling a certain hint from you?

And please don't let niichan manipulate you like that, you're better than that. He is so obviously a mafia, just look at whats happening the more he and Vand are pressured Don't feel bad about lynching mafias.

 

[gnut]

@GrySun
What you think about what i said about 3rd party thingy?

 

[GrySun]

So that you guys can claim niichan has the note and thats why a det gets guilty on him....yeah,good one van.
But your boy goes down today....yall shouldnt have killed demon....yall are a bunch of mean ass trolls.

Yeah, either niichan is the boss or he has the note(2nd one is less likely if I understood a certain someone's hint). They are baiting for sure. #JusticeForDemon.

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@GrySun
What you think about what i said about 3rd party thingy?

You mean this? Sry was still backreading.

Im not worried about lovers...cause if a townie lover has it,well i hope they are smart.
If the mafia one gets it....nothing we couldve done of about it....no?
The SK thing scares me...what if they get extra ability...like assasin poisoner,etc
Could really mess up our thinking.

Lovers would be an interesting adition in this game, mostly because of balance. If there's 1 mafia there is a lover for sure, in 2 mafia groups 1 mafia would need to have much stronger roles or more members to be balanced with a Lover in it.

As for other 3rd parties, I really don't know. But having the death note could maybe give them 2 kills at the same time, since SK is special and different from a mafia group and different from a single townie. There's also the question of whether there are multiple Notes, if so(and they are related to the colored text) this could turn into a mess if a 3rd party gets it.

 

[gnut]

Yeah, either niichan is the boss or he has the note(2nd one is less likely if I understood a certain someone's hint). They are baiting for sure. #JusticeForDemon.

I dont trust asia either....its like im the only one she wants to know their role...but im like the one who gave the most hints.xD