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I'd say you and me being both alive is not surprising at all, actually.

Ah, you think today we should question more than one person at a time? But we learned so much from that 15-people bandwagon yesterday <_>

And you and @gnut are still free to remind me why I'm supposed to be "what we end up going for today". You know, since you still need to make sense of your accusations, which still only amount to "your plan is weird" and "if niichan is Mafia Boss, then Vandred is certainly mafia too". Some intuition you showed there, by the way :heh
Come on van....you went way way overboard trying to keep him alive....you think we are that naive?
Give us a little credit....well gry:gnut
 

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Guys I'm really sleepy right now, writing that post about Vand took longer than I thought. I'll have time tomorrow to do more stuff, but right now I want you all to use this time and not focus solely on Vand, red mafia must have more members if they're 1 big mafia. Question everyone like xnut, beginners like elusia, gryffindor, marmalade etc. I want Erin's previous hint list filled with hints about everyone. A few who are confident could even reveal if they feel like it.

Also, I already said it but we need to finally figure out the Death note and colored-truths system. I will write a big analysis on that one tomorrow, but you are all also free to already start thinking about it and help me tomorrow figure it out. I suck at riddles.



Yes it is, this could be a huge opportunity for us. It's nothing you absolutely need to know right away as Notes are more for next night, so I will just expect they don't have an assassin(else I'd be daykilled long ago) and go to sleep, sharing it all tomorrow.
I told you....i think pom pom is in that group....think spirit is up to something.

Kinda seem bi-partial to what ever happens.
 

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I think so to. But I think Belserion is one of them. That wierd 180 she did on niichan yesterday just seems like she saw that a convenient kill would happen for niichan. But before that she was quite opposed to it.
 

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I think so to. But I think Belserion is one of them. That wierd 180 she did on niichan yesterday just seems like she saw that a convenient kill would happen for niichan. But before that she was quite opposed to it.
Not pressing...just weary xD
 

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I literally voted Erin day 1 because I don't think it's smart to commit yourself to anything major on the first day since mistakes can be made. Turns out that my reasoning was sound there. I addressed Kato's potential to be suspect since he could have easily been covering a killing role. Now that we know he's BG i don't know why he reacted to his role that way.
 

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Sheesh, you guys distrusting me... :nahWell, I'm not telling more hints until people start giving more hints about their roles. I've told a lot already.

@Vandred I'd also like to listen about your role, as well as everyone's else. @Elusia can give a few hints about it too. I feel there are too many people lurking and no one giving more hints at all, but I suppose mafia just like to kill from the shadows. @Belserion too, I'd like to listen more hints about your role. For now, the only ones I'm trusting are Gry, gnut and Wyis.
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Time to hunt "witches" :teehee

@desin24 and @zimbardo any more hints about your roles too?
 

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@WithYouInSpirit If you are 3rd party...ofc your vote against erin is sound xD

Gonna eat and sleep...be up in a few hours.
 

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First of all, those were some serious ninja skills.

Hole number one:
You're totally right about the Spriggan thing, I totally forgot you were among the voters on him. For some reason I could only remember Belserion to have started Spriggan's demise, but you were on him very early too. Maybe you didn't think it would escalate as much as it did, but toying with a strong role like Mafia Detective is a bad idea.
So I wouldn't think it would escalate while I was one of those that was making it escalate? Sure, that makes a lot of sense. Just like throwing a MAFIA DETECTIVE under the bus right off the bat. Which is totally my mafia playstyle, too.

Hole number two:
It kinda is, since there's little reason to keep him alive. We don't know if it's 2 mafias or 1 big mafia, with there being several Death notes 2 mafia groups would maybe even be too many deaths. His death was better for us all, after all we also got you with that :rolleyes:
That's only a way for you to dodge the question. He didn't even hold a Note (since I assume we would have been told of its destruction), which would have been the only sensible reason for me to "protect" him.

Hole number three:
Losing the boss after losing a detective must be pretty bad, especially if it is still very much avoidable. I didn't even expect myself that niichan would end up with 16 votes :lmao (and yes 16 not 15, Lambu wasn't counted in that post). So that's what you gain, ruining det results and having him around for longer. I even considered that niichan may have a powerful role you wanted to use one last time. I thought I treated you unfairly then, but after niichan showed as Boss I think it just has to be you because of the baiting. But I could be making a mistake with you as with Kato last game... I'll take it slow today, after all we should question the others too. But it doesn't bode well for you, as protecting niichan when you're a townie unrelated to him is even worse of an idea.
You still keep acting as if my suggestion was to lynch him based on the Dets' investigations. It was not, and you know it. As does @gnut.

Hole number four:
No, that's not the Daws treatment I was talking about. I was talking about how the orange mafia that game didn't kill him as we expected, but kept him alive while killing more townies and while having their Escort on him to make his results useless.
With niichan now being confirmed as Boss, we know the situation is nothing like that. Any rival mafia would have had no way to block the Dets' investigation other than blocking all the individual Dets themselves. Even if they had killed niichan last night, that would have still happened in Priority 3, and it would have actually done us a big favour.

If our dets are paying even a little bit of attention to the game they should know themselves to target you after niichan showing as Mafia Boss. Even if you're townie, that's the best choice for them there. But as it seems our dets are already dead, probably via Erin's kill? Don't think they'd be comfortable using you for the kill after all that happened. Or their other 4th/5th member?
Because you said so, right? Or because my death wouldn't be so bad if it served to confirm their sanity? :rolleyes: Something you were vehemently opposed to, yesterday.

Why else would I die though? Who would want me dead? Any Death Note holders should definitely not kill me after I got niichan. All that's left is niichan's vengeful mafia. Or a 3rd party/2nd mafia, but they would probably want to keep me alive for longer to do more work for them. If they even exist that is... With 1 mafia, more than 1 Death Note that's enough killing to eat through all our players very fast. A Santa would round it up perfectly too, which makes me uncomfortable where the game is heading.
That would have been your insurance, of course. Just like you basically saying "I don't like to ask for Doctors to protect me, but that's totally what you all should do tonight <_> ".

Were those all the holes in my logic? Because I didn't see any contradictions. If anything I can accept that about Spriggan and low reasons to stick out for niichan, but those have possible explanations too which I wrote.
Yeah, and all those explanations are rickety at best. I wonder if that announcement of yours will be about having a Note or actually pulling a Daws :lmao
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Vand seemed to know more about niichan than he should have. Just like niichan did with spriggan.
Oh yeah? Like what? What is it that I seemed to know more about him?

Or should I remind you that it was Gry who perfectly divined niichan's role while he was still alive...?
 

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Gonna sleep soon either, hope we can get more information later. Those three deaths are really worrying me now.
 

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If you want to blame someone then blame Ahmad himself.He received such an important role of body guard still he didn't post even once.
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Oh shit just noticed Ahmad is I'll.Such an unfortunate thing.
 

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Oh, I'll give you my thoughts on this before the day is over, don't you worry.

Good point about the mafia possibly being in disarray after Spriggan's death. But that's exactly why I see EmptySoul or xnut as better targets to pressure than niichan at the moment. The latter just gives me the same impression of a veteran player like Demon; you could spend the whole day pressuring him and you wouldn't get anything useful out of him. The others are much more likely to slip up, if you ask me.

What's more, if there are two mafias and niichan really is from the same one as Spriggan, we need to be careful about thinning their numbers too much and leaving the other mafia too powerful. In these cases, leading one mafia group into killing those they think are their dangerous rivals would be the ideal situation, and we've already seen there's at least one pretty powerful mafia role in the game (Mafia Detective). Clearing the field for one side is most likely going to mean game over for the town, so it's a tricky situation in any case.


I... don't see how it would benefit the town if a townie came out saying they have the Death Note. Asking for protection? If a mafia gave them the Note, that just means they'll be able to kill anyone else they want and maybe even block the holder with an Escort. If there are two mafias, that would also make them a target in case they wanted to take possession of it.

It just makes more sense for us to discuss a few potential targets and hoping the player who has the Note is a townie who follows through.
This post is what makes me wonder. You seemed to come to a conclusion that niichan might be in Spriggans mafia. Also conveniently trying to turn attention to empty who is now a confirmed townie. Possibly jesus.

At least this is what I would give as my reasonings if you were mafia. I'd like to follow gry's path here but I just don't see why you would so closely associate yourself with the sinking ship HMS Niichan if you were his ally. Unless you were trying to pull some cheap reverse psychology.
 

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Sheesh, you guys distrusting me... :nahWell, I'm not telling more hints until people start giving more hints about their roles. I've told a lot already.

@Vandred I'd also like to listen about your role, as well as everyone's else. @Elusia can give a few hints about it too. I feel there are too many people lurking and no one giving more hints at all, but I suppose mafia just like to kill from the shadows. @Belserion too, I'd like to listen more hints about your role. For now, the only ones I'm trusting are Gry, gnut and Wyis.
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Time to hunt "witches" :teehee

@desin24 and @zimbardo any more hints about your roles too?
Alright then :). I'm really neutral about my role. I don't hate it but I don't like it either. So I'll just roll with it.
 

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I found this odd when I read it after waking up. Why'd you never think you'd say I'm trustable? I know I lost every game I played so far but I think I do a lot every time :/
Ah, now here is your problem.

I don't know you from the other games, I only know you from the rest of MH - and from what I learned there, I wouldn't trust you to move my fridge.
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zimbardo any more hints about your roles too?
Sure
It'd be silly to say I've never had it before, as I have never played this game with you guys before, but I have never played a Mafia game with this class before (though that could be said for 90% of the classes here).

Also, this role is designed for someone who has great experience in this game, I feel.
I really need to be able to predict what classes people have, to be useful. <- so any hints on how to read different classes would be nice [am looking at you GrySun; as you are one of the few people I may have a mild clue to], I mean outside of the hints people give...

'cause, for all I know, those could also be bull
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Oh and one more thing, as I am going to be pretty busy today with work and seeing my dad
GrySun
Pretty sure realise xnut was joking about demon, as super early in game and no reasons given for proposition – 63
Proposes lynching non-active players, but doesn't do this during voting phase – 77
States Spriggan and EmptySoul quick voted on someone with no reason – 123
EmptySoul replies that would have voted even before WYIS's post – 137
Organizized asks why EmptySoul would have voted that way – 138
EmptySoul says it was going with her gut? - 140
Organizized doesn't press issue - 141
Offers Lambu to give hints on role, in return for hints on Lambu's – 149
Lambu refuses to give hints at this stage, due to it being 'a dumb move when nobody has the intention to do so' – 203
Says it's odd that Spriggan appears to be giving up before most members voted - 178
Vandred agrees, says not first time townie killed for trolling, but could be in town's favour – 204
Vote on Emperor Spriggan – assumes Mafia that has given up. States recent votekills may be Mafia trying to save them. Wishes had response, but no other real suspect – 209
Says EmptySoul also did similar bad defence, but didn't appear to give up – 209
niichan says that it isn't wise to make such a statement so early in the game, as may be 2nd Mafia and that voting for or against Spriggan 'doesn't prove anything' as bandwagonning may make them appear innocent (says is offering this advice to 'newbies' and not specifically to GrySun, but is surprised GrySun is saying this 'as an experienced player') – 221
GrySun says it's useful to consider the possibilities the next day, in case he doesn't survive the night. Calls out both niichan and gnut for being 'jumpy' when we haven't even seen Emperor Spriggan's role yet – jokes they may be Mafia and already know Spriggan's role. - 228
niichan says he only wanted to add that saying that everyone who didn't vote for Emperor Spriggan was suspicious (and that most likely the Mafia members were amongst them) was overly simplistic – says he has seen GrySun state the exact opposite thing in previous games – 238
gnut agrees with niichan and says that it's pointless to ask Spriggan to reveal his role when he already knows he is going to be lynched, and so saying people who don't vote for him are suspicious is an odd thing to do – 223
States he is likely being memed by hosts with this role and will likely kill himself with it sooner or later (if true, Timed Bomb?) - 209
Hoped for Mafias to kill each other – to confirm that there are 2 Mafia groups – 267
Says either gnut or niichan is mafia – both were jumping on him for his comments on people voting for Spriggan and that they would only do that if they knew Spriggan would be Mafia – 279
He says it has to be niichan as gnut made a lot of hints, which he rarely does if town – and that he also suspected niichan at the start – 279
Says niichan said next to nothing when trying to defend Spriggan, then voted for EmptySoul to try and 'pull votes to him' – 279
niichan tries to defend himself by stating that if he wanted to protect Spriggan, why would he do it one hour before he was likely to be killed off anyway? And that had he wanted to switch people to EmptySoul he'd have tried to frame him as Mafia more strongly, rather than saying he was worried that Spriggan may be a bomb – 291
GrySun says that nothing pointed towards him being a bomb and that it was a ridiculous reason if he thought Spriggan was Mafia – 300
He wonders why so few people voted for him, when he literally put 2 gifs of laughter and posts about how we should look forward to our defeat – 300
Votes for niichan – reasons given above – calls it such an obvious misplay and calls gnut to do it also - 300
Says that, had Spriggan tried to defend themselves, he may have switched his vote, especially as most people hadn't voted by then. - 304
Believes that niichan's post may have been a way to warn Mafia members to tactially vote and draw votes from Emperor Spriggan, but even with lots of likes on nii's post, thinks Mafia may have ignored/not seen that post - 304
Says he caught niichan because of his defence of Emperor Spriggan – possible other people didn't join as scared to take a stance? - 310
Asks what Belserion thinks about niichan knowing that Emperor Spriggan would show as Mafia - 313
States that he finds xnut and EmptySoul suspicious – 318
States that trusts gnut, as he hinted too much to be in a 'group role' – 318
Disappointed that Vandred didn't notice [how suspicious niichan was?], as previous game had noticed so many 'weird plays' – 318
- Vandred replies that sometimes it's better to wait and see what happens, who says what and when (and who doesn't) – 323
- GrySun says he was referring more to Vandred not discussing niichan's behaviour - 325
Says if Townie has Death Note they could kill xnut/EmptySoul. Killing EmptySoul may remove Mafia from 2nd group - 325
Points out that Gryffindor, Kato, EmptySoul and myself haven't been all that active – 328
Says trusts Belserion and Lambu – 328
Says could go fishing on beginners, but riskier than current suspicious people - 328
Wonders when we should begin to ask who has the Death Note to reveal themselves – could help pick a good target that way. But then says that Mafia would know and that could be dangerous - 338
- Vandred disagrees and says it wouldn't benefit town if a Townie with the note came out. If Mafia gave them the note, could block holder with Escort. If two Mafias then it would make them a target in case they wanted to become in possession of it. Says makes more sense to discuss a few targets and hope player with note is a Townie and follows through with it - 340
States it is a bad idea to randomly target someone like EmptySoul, especially as may lose 1 or 2 townies to hostkill actions – 343
Jokes that it is suspicious for Vandred to defend a Mafia which had only lost 1 member, in favour of trying luck with a random shot in the dark – says it makes Vandred appear Mafia – 343
- Vandred assures him that not saying we should let niichan go, but should keep focussing on other main suspects at the same time - 354
Says if we assume that Mafia had Death Note last night (story suggests so) then likely Townie has it now – revealing themselves could give a confirmed Townie – 343
Certain niichan will show Mafia when lynched and people are trying to save him hard – 353
Says we can kill EmptySoul with Death Note if necessary - 353
Shocked that Vandred would contradict himself saying that we should keep niichan alive as he is talkative, whilst saying that you'd not get much out of him if you kept talking to him - 357
- Vandred said that there is no need to spell it out and that GrySun should read what he had previously written about Spriggan – 358
- GrySun says he is reaching and that the reason for letting niichan stay alive makes little sense.
- Vandred says no better way for Detectives to confirm their sanity at the moment - 362
Calls up Vandred defending keeping niichan alive and says if niichan turns out to be Mafia Boss, then Vandred is 100% confirmed mafia - 391
Says that keeping niichan alive is too risky – especially is boss, due to Detective not working on him (?) - 391
Repeats that Vandred is confirmed Mafia if niichan is Mafia Bos - 394
States that a problem is you can't use Mafia members as a meatshield against other Mafia groups, as they will see him in the spotlight and get the Daws treatment until he is lynched (what is this?!?) - 401
- Vandred suggests this is someone coming out openly as a Mafia to say that niichan would have been one of theirs (thus making him appear innocent), but says this would be pointless as everyone is already set on lynching niichan tomorrow - 439
Due to his protection of niichan, GrySun is even more sure of Vandred being Mafia - 401
Says he trusts Lambu and gnut. Also trusts Belserion as she practically killed Spriggan, Says might trust Zasz, but niichan has him in his pocket – 403
States Asia has been acting as usual, that xnut voted for him wierdly (but day 1), that Elusia, Gryffindor and me are all newbies who could be Mafia. He calls out Spirit, desin and Empty as 'shady'- 403
Tells Zasz that niichan can't be Townie as he already knew Emperor Spriggan was Mafia before he got lynched. That his answers wee usual general-defense stuff and that he would ignore parts of GrySun's posts until called up on them. Says that niichan has Vandred protecting him to try and waste the detective's investigations - 405
Says that user of Death Note should use it on Vandred if niichan turns out to be Mafia Boss – thinks he will be killed during night for waying this, however – 410
Says that, unlike Zasz or Belserion, Vandred's defense of niisama was more constant and obviously a bait - 416
Says won't believe niichan is a regular townie until receive Host message – hopes that DiMaria Yesta and desin24 will show up so that they don't get lynched due to inactivity (tags them so they receive a notification) - 424
votelock on niichan – to die by bomb, if niichan is a bomb – 479
Says we have talked on niichan in depth now and if he is boss then Vandred is likely his Mafia friend – hopes someone with Death Note could kill him. Also asks for protection during the night- 479

Demonspeed
Vote on syx – joke vote – 64

Emperor Spriggan
Vote on syx – not bolded (but still counted), no reasons given – 75
syx calls Emperor Spriggan up on this and asks for reasons – 158

gnut
Jokes about killing niichan – 80
vote on Spirit – states jumping on bandwagon (after just saying how disliked people jumping on Emperor Spriggan train), but also didn't trust either who voted on erin – 206
Calls out 'uncomfortable post' of niichan – 206
Says he has 'old role which he hadn't had before', but not Mafia – 208
Says GrySun can 'take my vote however you want' and that even if Spriggan Mafia, it doesn't clear those who voted for them – 215
Reminds GrySun that he said there may be 2 Mafias – 215
GrySun replies that because of 2 Mafias, even more reason to want to try and save one of their own – 217
States EmptySoul also didn't defend themselves when suspected, but calls GrySun out for not questioning them, like he did for Emperor Spriggan – 223
MonkeyD-Dragon jumps in to tell gnut that he justified his vote on Emperor Spriggan earlier and didn't just 'jump' on the Spriggan train [even though it appeared gnut was replying to GrySun and not MonkeyD-Dragon – 224
gnut calls MonkeyD-Dragon up on this, stating wasn't questioning his vote, that he did also jump on a bandwagon, and again asks why GrySun isn't going after MonkeyD-Dragon or EmptySoul for a similar reason – 227
MonkeyD-Dragon replies that he did give his reasoning already and that the 'i'm innocent' defence is a really bad one when called up for acting suspiciously - 233
GrySun says that the reason he isn't is because they both have such low numbers that it wouldn't make sense to try and save them indirectly. That he questioned EmptySoul already and stated why he picked Spriggan over him. - 228
Wonders why xnut, EmptySoul and MonkeyD-Dragon all like Organizized's post about EmptySoul being relatively safe due to Spriggan being so heavily suspected – 229
MonkeyD-Dragon replies it was nothing due to that, but purely due to romance (Organizized watching a film with his wife) – 230
xnut gives a similar reason, unrelated to game – 232
Vote for MonkeyD-Dragon – no reason's given – 243
Calls out me for 'hiding behind my ignorance of the game' – 243
I remind him that I am not ignorance to the game as a whole, just some of the specific roles – 253
Gives out a hint that his character is a real estate agent – 'part of their job is his role' – 249
Asks if Emperor Spriggan has any last words before they are killed – 251
States he thinks niichan and Vandred may possibly be behind Demonspeed's death – 283
Vandred asks, as a joke, if gnut thinks he trollkilled Demonspeed – 298
vote on niichan – says obvious Mafia – 363
Asks why Vandred would want to keep an obvious Mafia around and take a shot at someone they are incriminating [EmptySoul] – 363
Says possible not to have 2 Mafias, but 1 Mafia and some 3rd party members - 363
Says lovers can't target anyone without the Death Note – 373
Worried about a SK (Serial Killer?) and the possibility of one of them obtaining the note – 373
worried if they get an extra ability [though doesn't the note overwrite this?!?] - 381
Agrees that there is a 3rd party in this game – 373
Hopes DiMariaYesta isn't a recruiter - 375
Asks GrySun what he thinks about a 3rd party – 397
GrySun asks if he meant about lovers and says if 1 Mafia group, then there are lovers for sure, but if 2 groups then one group would need to have a much stronger role (or more members) for balance issues – 398
- GrySun says if other roles, like SK, then he isn't sure, but it could become a mess with multiple notes and 3rd party members - 398
Says doesn't trust Asia as she only wants to know his role, but he has given the most hints already - 399
Says there is only one true note (whatever that means) – 402
- GrySun says there may be false Death Notes, so more powerful 3rd parties may be a thing - 405
Says has eyes on Vandred - 404
Asks why EmptySoul liked Oragnizized's posts where he said that EmptySoul was only safe due to Spriggan being such an obvious target - 411
Says not trying to save Spriggan, but point out that people who voted for him weren't obviously Town – 425
Said his vote for WYIS was as a bait to see how other people would vote – and that WYIS was in no real danger - 425
Calls out Vandred's plan as bullshit – also nichan's defence - 450
Doesn't think likely that niichan is a Bomb/Mafia Bomb, but agrees with GrySun that niichan is probably a Mafia Boss – telling Lady Pompom to work together was suspicious – 462
Not surprised by Lady Pompom's vote - 462

Arjuna
Vote on Demonspeed – joke vote – 118
Receives 2 penalty votes for breaking rules and editing post (though appears innocent enough mistake) – 160
Demonspeed says can undelete, but GrySun says wait for Panda – 163 + 164
Says we should focus on inactive's who aren't drawing much attention to themselves – like Elusia, who can be focussed – 289
MarmaladeSky says Elusia may be not posting much due to timezone issues – but that the point is solid – 290
Arjuna says that in previous DP (?) she barely drew attention to herself - 292
votes for niichan – as seems suspicious, judging by the trend - 467

WYIS
Vote on Erinyes – no reasons given – 120
Says he would like to look at Kato – that he only said the role he got was bad, but that it was an ok cover story for a Mafia member - 285
Asks if Zasz knows who has the note - 380
- Zasz says he believes so and hopes he is correct, but may be wrong - 390
Not sure who to vote for – niichan has cocky attitude and playstyle, but could be a Bomb, or Mafia Bomb – 437
Said wasn't committed to yesterday's vote on Erinyes, but that EmptySoul immediately following up with a vote was odd – 437
Calls out Vandred for the defence of niichan - 437
Even though he sees pros in Vandred's plan, he says there are many more cons – and that the obsessive nature of his defence is odd - 448
Says that niichan has already confirmed he didn't have the note – so wouldn't do that [pass to another Mafia member?] - 451
- gnut states that of course he would say this and points out that no one would say they had the note – 452
- Vandred says that niichan wouldn't change his version of the story tomorrow, if he didn't die this round – 453
- WYIS says this tells us nothing other than he is lying – 454
- gnut tells Vandred that he wouldn't say if had note, so to stop trying to play us - 456
Says that as niichan has no confirmed role, it isn't possible to trust Detectives with absolute certainty – 451
Says that Lambu and me stand out for our lack of contribution, other than pointing out what people have already done – 451
As niichan may be a bomb, WYIS says he probably won't vote for him – 457
- gnut asks where hints are from - 458
- WYIS says the 'can't touch me' attitude – 459
- gnut points out that niichan has already said he was regular townie - 460
vote for niichan – hopes someone else votes for him too (due to Bomb possibility?) - 465

EmptySoul
Vote on Erinyes – no reasons given – 121
Points out to Belserion that only defended Emperor Spriggan as didn't understand why everyone was ganging up on them, and that Organizized dying after voting for them was pure coincidence/someone trying to frame them – 330
Says that reasons for suspecting them are easily refutable and that many more people were posting 'fake activity' posts than her, so asks if niichan finds them all suspicious also – 330
Says it would have been a stupid move to vote for Erinyes if EmptySoul was Mafia - 330
States not Mafia – 330
Says didn't think voting Erinyes after WYIS was suspicious, as already going to vote Erinyes before WYIS anyway - 382
States that Erinyes has been pretty quiet – possibly due to Mafia telling her to lay low - 407
- GrySun says that perhaps she is busy, or a Mafia on newbie team, but should be questioned - 410
Says gnut is overthinking likes and that there is probably nothing behind them - 426
- WYIS appears to agree, saying that what Panda did last game was clever (using likes to win) - 427

Belserion
Vote on Emperor Spriggan – in response to them saying they just bandwagoned popular opinion – 150
Says we should lynch Emperor Spriggan – and that he is 95% sure he's Mafia - 247
States Mafia had note last night and that it appears they still have it (due to 2nd chapter text) - 274
Calls out EmptySoul for defending a Mafia member (Emperor Spriggan), then backtracking, then calling out Organizized for 'making a mistake' in voting for them - 308
- GrySun agrees that EmptySoul is suspicious, but calls out Belserion on misrepresenting quotes. Says EmptySoul did the same thing previously (maybe niichan?) - 310
- Belserion says that only the first part, where she tries to 'play off her behaviour' and that voting for niichan didn't make her any less suspicious, but could have been covering her tracks – 311
Says still watching EmptySoul and xnut – 311
- GrySun asks if Empty would have been in niichan's group (Mafia?) as niichan was targetting them yesterday – possibly Empty would be in a 2nd Mafia? - 313
votes for niichan – as '100% Mafia trash' – says they hoped that niichan would be useful to them however (some role clue?) - 447

Vandred
Vote on Emperor Spriggan – says hint is that not mafia isn't useful and that they should post something more useful instead. - 154
Says due to the information in Chapter 2, it's more plausible that there is only a single Mafia and that a Mafia member is holding the note (can't use regular night kill but can use note instead). But then says he still thinks it's more likely that there are 2 Mafias than one and a lot of Serial Killers/Mentors/Santas – 277
Says if the note allowed a Mafia group to perform too kills a night, passing it amongst their members, it would be far too strong to have 2 Mafia groups in this game (3 kills per night). He suspects Mafia group low in number – however states more likely that 2 Mafia groups than 1 – 298
He states we should focus our attention on only 1 or 2 people every day and asks niichan who he thinks – 298
Says it's dangerous to focus on 1 single person at a time, especially when have no solid ground (Detective investigations) – says finding a scapegoat and pushing all attention towards them is textbook Mafia play - 323
- GrySun disagrees as might miss being able to find other Mafias from Spriggan chain and that Mafia must be in disarray over what had happened and made mistakes in day 1 due to that. Worried if shift attention, they'd have more time to sort themselves out. Suggests niichan may not have been brought up otherwise - 325
- Vandred agrees with the idea that Mafia are in dissoray after Spriggan's death. States this is exactly why should put pressure on EmptySoul or xnut, rather than niichan – 340
Says if too Mafias, and niichan a member of Spriggan's, need to be careful about making other Mafia too strong by killing off the other Mafia - 340
- GrySun agrees that it is a risk, but that we aren't even sure if there is a 2nd Mafia at this time. If niichan is in the same Mafia group, then there may be 2 or 3 members of the group still around - 343
Says if 2 suspect people, better to kill of less active one than more active, depending on how they defend themselves – 354
Thinks it's interesting if Death Note could be a hindrance to the Mafia – 354
Says if GrySun is so sure that niichan is mafia, better to keep him around as he can be detectived later on (to work out if Sane, Insane, etc?) - 354
Says role feels more like a return to the basics, works like the only other Townie role they have had, but with fewer cool applications – 354
Says only valid reason for a Death Note holder to reveal themselves would be a suicide attempt, for the Detectives to test their sanity on – better to stay anonymous – 354
Says should ask Death Note holder to kill niichan, so Detectives could test their sanity when niichan turns up dead in the following day - 354
Says their role is similar to the insane doctor, but a lot less useful – 358
Says GrySun is kind of jumpy and accuses him of ignoring most of Vandred's post - 358
Says just because niichan is voting EmptySoul, it doesn't clear her of suspicion – 383
Repeats that Detectives need a good target to test on, as a reason for keeping niichan around - 383
- WYIS asks how that benefits the detectives.
Repeats about lynching niichan tomorrow if he wasn't killed by the Townie with the Death Note. Stating that he would votelock niichan immediately the following day if he wasn't killed during the night - 389
Calls out GrySun for his contradictions – pointing out that he was the first to question Emperor Spriggan – 439
Says that he has repeated time and time again, only keep niichan alive for one day before lynching him – for detectives to get reliable result – 439
Says that GrySun should have told detectives to investigate him before he dies tonight – what a Townie would have done – 439
Sarcastically states that if GrySun dies tonight, it was obviously his Mafia buddies and calls it the oldest trick in the book – 439
Makes one last plea for people to not lynch niichan tonight, but use the Death Note on him instead - 439
One more post about trying to save niichan for use with Detectives – 441
- WYIS asks why focus Detectives on such a suspicious target, when they could focus on other players who may blindside them – 442
Another post to save niichan – brings up Dragon Ball game, where WYIS was a confirmed Daytime Vigilante – Detectives used him to check their sanity – says only have 1 or 2 detectives left, so should look after them and find out which is reliable - 445
Says won't bring up checking Detective's sanity again, but wonders why gnut is insisting on his idea being a way to save niichan - 463
votes for xnut – says it's a wasted vote as it won't make a difference – 466
Sarcastically tells Lady Pompom that voting for EmptySoul 'before we see nichan's corpse' was a good idea - 466

MonkeyD-Dragon
Vote on Emperor Spriggan – states suspicious behaviour and no attempt at defence – 157
Says Erinyes's summaries are a good way to review what we already know – 170
Jokes about voting for either Zasz or Elusia (?) - 195
Says no suspects thus far (even through the whole GrySun niichan discussion) – 305
Says their role isn't really 'helpful' and only works against specific roles (like a doctor/bodyguard/defensive role?) - 305
Says he also finds niichan suspicious, but also finds xnut, gnut and EmptySoul also suspicious - 316
States that can follow GrySun's logic about Emperor Spriggan → niichan and will vote soon - 320
vote for niichan – says may not have much time later today but tht niichan was most likely Mafia, due to suspicious defence of Spriggan - 346

Elusia
Vote on DiMaria Yesta – for inactivity – 179
Says doesn't know much about their role, but that it is 'pretty important' - 422
Says that they believe the pink and blue truths are only partial lies – and that the blue speaks more truth than the pink, but thinks it's odd as blue was more frequent than pink - 470
votes for niichan – convinced by GrySan's posts and also by how odd he was during day 1 - 476

Kato756
vote on Zasz – joke vote – 180
says that they have reasons for being less active in this game - 364
vote on niichan – no reason given - 468

syx
says no idea who to vote for, but lack of time – 'gut says votekill Emperor Spriggan', not due to vote on himself with no explanation, but because “his play would fuck up everyone” - 187
Vote on Emperor Spriggan – posts his previous post as a reason - 216
Asks if niichan or Battler would swear that they are townie this game – 314
- niichan says he obviously swears (some kind of in-joke?) - 315
Asks about the inactive people – 326
- MonkeyD-Dragon says better to lynch someone they suspect than a randomer – 327
Says that the fact that niichan didn't immediately say he was a Townie with the Red Truth was a surprise and made him appear even more suspicious – 337
Says that thinks not particularly good at this game – 337
vote on EmptySoul – has reread xnut and EmptySoul's posts and think EmptySoul is more suspicious – 337
Asks if bad guest (story) could refer to Mafia player who was invited by the Barkeeper – 384
- WYIS says they interpreted it as Townie becoming a killer with the Death Note.

Zasz
vote on Elusia – states it's random, but justifies it due to lack of posting – 190
Asks if someone else to suspect at the moment, other than EmptySoul - 335
- niichan says he, himself, but that it is only GrySun who suspects him – 336
- niichan also points out xnut because of the post 'Votekill GrySun for now Spriggan slipped up but idk. Not slip up, excuse me that sounded wrong' - 336
- GrySun says niichan (for reasons above) and xnut (for very random vote), asks Zasz about his views on niichan – 338
Says first time they have had this role and that it's an active one – 342
Not sure what to think of niichan at the moment, but agrees EmptySoul is suspicious – insists that there are others who need attention instead - 342
vote for Elusia – as they didn't say much about themselves - 347
Says debate about EmptySoul is interesting, but could be a way of the Mafia trying to distract us – 351
- GrySun agrees and says that all this talk may be from the Mafia trying to try and save niichan. Says that Zasz should trust his judement as he is rarely wrong and that niichan made too big of a mistake for people to try and give him a pass - 353
- Zasz said that of course EmptySoul could be mafia, however. And agrees that Townie's with the note should write EmptySoul's name in it - 355
Asks GrySun to state more about his role - 351
Thinks that a Townie may have the note – 368
doesn't find niichan suspicious and says he wouldn't want niichan to be lynched like this - 368
Repeats that he thinks a Townie may have the note and questions if we are being manipulated into voting niichan – worried about possibility of losing 3 Town members in one go. Asks GrySun if he can be sure that what Vandred said wasn't a ruse - 400
changes vote to votekill niichan (pretty sure I didn't miss a switch vote before...) - 419
Asks Elusia for a hint - 419
Asks Elusia for her thoughts on the current situation (niichan trial) - 423

Lady pompom
Vote on Vandred – joke vote – 200
Says she doesn't like her role – 211
Says role isn't useless, just that she doesn't like it as 'not sure how to use it properly' – 219
Thinks there are 2 Mafias, one killed off the detective, whilst a townie probably used the Death Note to kill Demonspeed – 280
desin24 asks how a mafia could aim at a specific role on the first night and that the death of Demonspeed was more likely due to trying to take out skilled players, to more easily hide behind inactive ones – 284
Agrees with desin24 that Mafia couldn't aim for the Detective in night 1 – suggests Organizized may have said something which the Mafia didn't like – 306
Thinks EmptySoul may be a suspect since just voting out of nowhere on day 1 – 306
Says has an active role but doesn't know how to use it properly – 306
Asks for more information on niichan and gnut's roles - 306
Reminds that had already told niichan that their role was active and that another PC may play it better – 332
Says other than EmptySoul, no clue who they should suspect and that it is too early to vote - 332
Says draining power quote (story) could relate to Mafia not being able to use powers when have note – 461
Says that Death Note could cause issues for Santa Claus (as stop him giving presents out), but would have no effect on Serial Killer (same ability?) and points out that it could be an issue for Mason's as they may have hidden Mafia members – 461
Says not entirely clear of GrySun, due to him apparantly pulling strings for Vandred's defence of niichan – 461
votes for EmptySoul – their top suspect – 461
Says believes niichan about being a plain Townie, but will be upset if not - 461

Organizized
Vote on EmptySoul due to bad reaction to being voted for – states similar reasons could be given for voting for Emperor Spriggan – 202
EmptySoul calls out Organizized saying he is 'making a mistake' – 210
Says EmptySoul will have to convince him of innocence and states that they are safe due to 'Emperor Spriggan' - 214

Lambu
Calls out DiMaria Yesta, Griffindor and desin24 for lack of posts – 203
Votes for niichan – no reason given other than not wanting to be last person to vote for Emperor Spriggan – 254
Says Emperor Spriggan screams 'Bomb' – 254
Says, from the plot, they can deduce that there's one Mafia which made a kill with the note and another with their abilities. Or there are 2 Mafias that killed one townie each and that the note was blocked (or something?). Or that a Mafia killed as normal and a Townie killed with the note, but that this doesn't make sense if we believe OP post about 'bad guys having the note' (so they deem thi unlikely) – 297
States we should start talking about roles, indirectly. They know being secretive is a good tool, but it could be fatal (as in DBZ game?) - 297
Says their role is active and has appeared in one of the games they have played, but isn't useful at the moment - 297
Says that gnut and niichan are absolutely not working together – 309
- GrySun agrees, or says that gnut is doing 'great acting' – one Mafia in that pair? - 310
Says niichan protecting Spriggan was suspicious and that GrySun is definitely a suspect. Especially as post in day 1 sounded like warning his group of an 'escape route' – 309
Asks to hear more form EmptySoul and xnut - 309
vote for niichan – but agrees that all this focus on niichan has made it easier for the Mafia members to hide – 415
Says gnut tried hard to save Spriggan, but that niichan was more suspect – 415
Says EmptySoul is shady, but not moreso than xnut or any of the “yes men” they have been watching – 415
Posts a summary of day 1 votes – 432
- GrySun thanks him for this - 433
States that Vandred defending niichan was weird – even with point of detectives testing niichan (which would be pointless if he wasn't mafia) – 440
Thinks Vandred and niichan aren't buddies due to their clash to do with Emperor Spriggan on Day 1 (Vandred wanted him dead, niichan wanted him alive). Says hard to see logic if niichan is Mafia - 440

Erinyes
Writes summary about what people claimed about their roles (states Emperor Spriggan pleaded 'innocent', kato756 'disappointed', syx 'innocent', WYIS 'passive') – 205
vote on xnut – random vote – 205
Says still thinks there may be more than one Death Note (one not used for some reason?) - 319
Says better not to lynch inactive players as they will most likely be hostkilled - 341
Sure there should be some lovers in the game, considering the theme – 360
vote on xnut – no reasons given (that I can see) - 366
changes vote to niichan – hopes niichan isn't a bomb and trusts GrySun and gnut's hunches - 481

MarmaladeSky
Vote on Elusia – joke vote – 207
vote for niichan – due to number of votes he's getting, how they don't believe niichan is innocent (as why tell others you aren't Mafia?) - 435

EmptySoul
Laughs at Emperor Spriggan being ganged up on and states that not think they are Mafia – though states 'I could be wrong though' – 210
Says role is lame in their eyes, but could be beneficial at some point, maybe - 334
Restates that has already answered all of niichan's questions – 348
- niichan says that only thing EmptySoul has said is a hint about their role and that they looked suspicious. Says EmptySoul's vote on Erinyes was a simple gut feeling. - 361
Says suspicious that niichan voted for them, rather than Spriggan – who was 'much more suspicious'. Says doesn't buy the 'didn't want to be the last one to vote' excuse. - 348
vote for niichan – doesn't buy the 'I'm a townie' post and thinks he is suspicious – 478

Gryffindor
Says can see why people suspect Emperor Spriggan. Suspects Elusia and Niichan also – 220
Vote for niichan – says it is due to a gut feeling – that niichan has a 'confidence vibe' – 255
States other candidates were Elusia, due to newbie status misdirection, and Emperor Spriggan, for low tier gif trolling and not answering inquiries - 255
Says 50/50 on EmptySoul – found it odd how niichan kept pushing that agenda, as niichan is suspect – but that, because she could be a 2nd Mafia, it opens up doubts about her – 388
Says Elusia is another possible target as hasn't said much following her rebuttal of his post against her - 388
vote for niichan – same reason as day 1 ('confidence vibe'), as well as Lady Pompom exchange, and what happened today - 434

niichan
States that GrySun was the first one to point out that Emperor Spriggan was suspicious [due to voting for someone with no reason given?] - calls this potentially a 'great Mafia move' as it would generate trust due to him 'already knowing that Spriggan's going to turn out as Mafia' – 221
States Emperor Spriggan is quite fishy and may get his vote as well – 221
Either that or someone inactive – as that group annoys him due to not putting in any time to something they have already signed up for – 221
Vote for EmptySoul – says as suspicious as Emperor Spriggan and feels like potential newbie Mafia. Is voting for someone inactive, which is a pointless action and what Mafia members commonly do. It isn't a danger to do so, as doesn't want to be last person to vote for Spriggan, in case they are a bomb – 226
EmptySoul calls niichan up on this vote and asks exactly what he has done which makes him as suspicious as Emperor Spriggan – 246
Says he thinks the Mafia may have the note, but that if so they can only do one kill. With this in mind, he says it is more likely that there is a 2nd Mafia out there – or an insane doctor, or mb (Mafia Bomb?) or townie with a note – 296
Says annoyed that blue and pink truths aren't facts also and that his deductions weren't easy because of that – 296
Says found 2 people suspicious, EmptySoul and xnut - 301
- EmptySoul as 'faking activity' (saying lots but actually saying nothing), then voting Erinyes straight after WYIS. Following up with recalling EmptySoul saying was going to vote WYIS anyway – 301
- follows this up by saying EmptySoul suddenly attacked GrySun and Organizized, only because they asked for reasons for voting that way – 301
- xnut for voting GrySun in 1st round. States that both xnut and EmptySoul are jumping on GrySun for random reasons – 301
- GrySun also says that xnut is a suspect for that 'random weird vote', possible 2nd mafia? - 302
Says that he only didn't want to vote for EmptySoul as worried they may have ability which triggers when lynched (bomb?) - 303
Calls out GrySun on his agressiveness and overconfidence, especially as says he can 99% detect Mafia members – 307
- GrySun calls him up at being the most obvious target today, that he was only guessing at first but niichan's replies have made it incredibly obvious - 310
Says his role is pretty 'plain' and asks for Lady pompom's role - 307
Thinks Belserion makes a good point about EmptySoul and xnut – suggests he will probably vote for one of those two - 312
Says how it appears GrySun is trying to shift all attention to him, like he is the only suspect – points out it is odd no one else has noticed this – 331
Says this is exactly why he said PC's shouldn't focus on those who voted Emperor Spriggan, as he could see this kind of thing happening [saying that Mafia members must be within this group] - 331
Says that even EmptySoul appears to agree their voting behaviour is suspect – and asks for a hint at their role - 333
- EmptySoul agrees – 334
- niichan asks to explain again why EmptySoul voted for Erinyes – 336
vote for EmptySoul - says EmptySoul has been browsing through MH for some time, but not answering his questions, suggests it is down to avoiding further talk. Has been on his list since day 1 - 344
Tells GrySun that, unlike EmptySoul, niichan actally tried to argue with him – but EmptySoul has done nothing to defend their behaviour – 361
Says GrySun called Empty suspicious but stated that the Death Note holder should kill them next night, when it isn't clear if a Townie has the note – 361
States that only GrySun saw something suspicious in one of his posts and argues that no one else saw it – calls out the contradiction in actions - 361
Says GrySun did no favours for Town by forcing all conversation around targetting him – 387
Says there are no real clear targets outside of EmptySoul and xnut and that EmptySoul still hasn't said what their reasons for voting for Erinyes were - 387
- Vandred agrees – 392
niichan says he doesn't have the Death Note - 393
Says that GrySun and gnut have been on him since the first day and would be suspicious of anyone who protected him - 412

xnut
Vote for GrySun – no reason given – 225
states that 'Spriggan slipped up' but isn't sure if Mafia or not – 225
Says it is odd that people find his random vote on day 1 suspicious - 352
Vote for niichan – finds it funny who the 2 people who picked up on his 'slip up' are – 408

desin24
Says only had 2 kills during the night (and not three), so chance of only one mafia and possibly a couple of third parties – 268
GrySun reminds desin24 about the Death Note – 269
desin24 says they suspected 3 deaths due to the death note and points out it may have fallen to an inactive player – 271
MarmaladeSky says it is logical to assume only 1 group of mafia and that the 2nd death was due to the Death Note, unless holder of Note decided not to use it – 272
WYIS asks how it is logical to assume that – 273
MarmaladeSky says 1 death per night Mafia + 1 death from Death Note, unless Note was in the hands of a Townie who made a mistake – 275
Vandred says it's possible, but points out that there are numerous ways to die during the night, even without being targetted by Mafias or third parties. Also that there are many ways Mafia kills can fail – 277
Vandred also states that it is impossible that someone forgot to/didn't use the Death Note, as they would have suffered a penalty - 277
WYIS says that one of the Mafia killers could have been blocked - 276
received a punishment vote for not posting enough – day 1
received another punishment vote for not casting a vote – day 1
Doesn't believe that Demonspeed was a mafia kill – stating that he was one of the most suspicious players in the game and that killing him was detrimental to the mafia cause, unless they believed he could be a 2nd Mafia member – 286
WYIS agrees but asks about Organizized – 287
gnut says it may be a troll killing – 288
Erinyes says that it's possible one party couldn't perform a kill due to being blocked/protected, assuming that 2nd Mafia/killing role - 319
Points out that Kato is usually a lot more active – 339
Says their role is a new one to them – not bulletproof, plain townie, Mafia detective, hider, doctor or Mafia escort - 339
- Erinyes replies that they may have been a witch in the last game, or Jesus in the one before - 350
vote for niichan – no reason given - 477

DiMaria Yesta
received a punishment vote for not posting enough – day 1
received another punishment vote for not casting a vote – day 1
 

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@MarmaladeSky , @xnut I'd like to listen more about your roles.

I'll tell another hint about mine: This role was also present at the DBZ game, but we didn't have it on Overwatch game.
Ah, my role is rather passive. Not unhappy about it :)
 

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That was a bloodbath, we got the Strongman dead but we lost 3 townies, one was a hostkill but still, we lost our 2nd detective too. I am more convinced now that the mafia are just one group since there has been only red ones so far. I'll be doing more analyzing about the Note system, since its quite complex and we need a better grasp on it.

On another note, @TSPanda the countdown in the top says "Night 2 ends in.." not Day 3, that should be fixed.
 
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