Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2018] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Mammo]

The next Boruto chapter also comes next issue according to its note at the end of its last one, so this marks the first time it hasn't had a color page for a chapter.

hopefully they will move it to V-Jump where it belong next

Bozebeats should be an guaranteed hit. When has someone who has had such an awesome character design actually been in a failed manga?

this is your post about Buddy Strike

How can a baseball manga with gorgeous character designs be bad?

 

[Mr.Fujimaster]

What do you guys think of Robot Lazerbeam? For me, it's like the most boring series Jump has put out in a long time..

For me it's a good manga.
It's fun, it has good characters, good art.
I think it's a series that will grow a lot after the anime (if produced by Production I.G).

 

[Doughboy]

As encouraging as bozebeats sounds so far I’m still skeptical. Will try most deff but after that Golem Hearts debacle I won’t seriously get into a series until i know it’s safe.

Boruto no color page? Sales have dropped since Vol 1 while DBS passed it in a lesser mag. Not surprised, the manga has been bad.

 

[Franz]

hopefully they will move it to V-Jump

Why ?

 

[Mammo]

a sequel for a big Jump franchise not drawn by the original mangaka

will fit nicely with DB Super and YGO Arc V

 

[Franz]

Seems rigth to me.

 

[cody]

If only Bozebeats ended up being awesome, the last two manga serialization rounds were very underwhelming. Good to see Kimetsu no Yaiba
Dr. Stone, Promised Neverland and MHA all doing well, I really love all of them right now. I hope we get some staff info on the HZ anime soon.

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Oh yeah, a lot of people are saying that Kimetsu will probably use a lot of asspulss or whatever, but wait a second.

Spoiler

Zenitsu isn't really in that bad of a scenario, he is alive and can get out, he's in the least amount of danger. Inosuke seems to be pretty fucked, but we don't know for sure if he's actually been pierced in the heart or not, even if he was, what if he manages to survive, he's very sturdy. Uzui seems to be in a pretty bad spot and he has the highest chances of dying if anything. But if an antidote pops up he might be saved, he does have extra poisoning resistance so that could help him survive. And the antidote would help Inosuke as well.

 

[Mawara]

If you approach it completely academically, then sure, you can get away with that.

Oh, dont be like that, of course I try to "feel" enjoyment by reading manga(or stories in general), but storytelling and characterization are like an entire own language and to learn a language is always fascinating and there is also this certain "feel" if you understand more of it bit by bit.

Every time a new series I like fails, I get more and more indifferent towards manga in general. There was a point when I very nearly gave up on anime and manga entirely. Luckily, BC and Neverland saved me from that.

Welp reminds me of that one time, when I've wanted to stop playing video games, but then Persona 3 happened. Still playing video games till today(over ten years later). Everything what you need is patience to find a manga, which brings you enjoyment, to understand, that there will be always one, if you just look close enough.

As encouraging as bozebeats sounds so far I’m still skeptical. Will try most deff but after that Golem Hearts debacle I won’t seriously get into a series until i know it’s safe.

Gawd, you guys are so sensible, but it is kinda cute. Stay that way, guys.
I won't mind starting new manga immediately, mostly, bc I hope for the best, always and also because even if it's cancelled soon, it's always better than nothing, bc it was a nice experience and gives me hope that there will be another chance for the mangaka, and that I remember him, when the time comes.

Boruto no color page? Sales have dropped since Vol 1 while DBS passed it in a lesser mag. Not surprised, the manga has been bad.

Well, that is actually quite interesting topic, isnt it?
Someone on Twitter mentioned once, what one big flaw of Boruto is, the lack of a real threat. I mean with Naruto and Sasuke, who are like gods at this point, and the United Shinobi Alliance, there isnt much which could act as a serious theat for the heroes. Though, in a certain way, we have a similiar case with My Hero Academia, a society full of heroes, with really strong heroes on the top. The villains are the actual underdogs, and need to hide and plan their next moves. I guess, why MHA works in that way, and why not Boruto, bc in MHA the hero society is also split within itself. Rivalries among the students and heroes, and also short and long term goals for Deku and the other maincharacters.
Something which is lacking in Boruto. I mean, Sarada wants to be Hokage, but she is not the maincharacter(but should be in my opinion) and Boruto kinda wants to be something like Sasuke to Naruto, but not only is this a rather vague goal, it is also overall unclear what Sasuke duties are for Konoha. So yeah, that doesnt help Boruto either. Besides several other problems, the manga has, but this one is just the most prominent one for me at the moment.

 

[Doughboy]

Gawd, you guys are so sensible, but it is kinda cute. Stay that way, guys.
I won't mind starting new manga immediately, mostly, bc I hope for the best, always and also because even if it's cancelled soon, it's always better than nothing, bc it was a nice experience and gives me hope that there will be another chance for the mangaka, and that I remember him, when the time comes.

Trust me I think how you think, I'm always the eternal optimist. I think any of us who are fans of battle adventure wants bozebeats to survive and succeed. But to say my interest level of wanting to check bozebeats is the same as compared to how interested I was in Golem Hearts would be a straight up lie.

Well, that is actually quite interesting topic, isnt it?
Someone on Twitter mentioned once, what one big flaw of Boruto is, the lack of a real threat. I mean with Naruto and Sasuke, who are like gods at this point, and the United Shinobi Alliance, there isnt much which could act as a serious theat for the heroes. Though, in a certain way, we have a similiar case with My Hero Academia, a society full of heroes, with really strong heroes on the top. The villains are the actual underdogs, and need to hide and plan their next moves. I guess, why MHA works in that way, and why not Boruto, bc in MHA the hero society is also split within itself. Rivalries among the students and heroes, and also short and long term goals for Deku and the other maincharacters.
Something which is lacking in Boruto. I mean, Sarada wants to be Hokage, but she is not the maincharacter(but should be in my opinion) and Boruto kinda wants to be something like Sasuke to Naruto, but not only is this a rather vague goal, it is also overall unclear what Sasuke duties are for Konoha. So yeah, that doesnt help Boruto either. Besides several other problems, the manga has, but this one is just the most prominent one for me at the moment.

Not only the villain threat is what's degrading the manga, it's so many problems.

Spoiler

Art is awful, Konohamaru and Hinata don't even look human.

You have Ao, a character who was strong enough to be Mei's bodyguard to the kage summit, brought back to life while everyone else in the telecommunications center was killed by the Ten Tails. Now they want us to believe he's suddenly in cahoots with the new Atatsuki as a double agent.

Mabui, who has a jutsu meant to transport objects at god-like speed which she used on the Raikage, was killed at the same time when they could of made up a retarded reason how she used it on herself and survived the recoil. That route would of been way more interesting cause Mabui was just an aide and didn't have any further depth then that.

Ao probably will be irrelevant after this and is now equipped with a gatling gun. They're shoving this ninja tech down our throats to the extreme.... that stuff is fine for weaklings or people who are not strong like ninja cause it does help balance the scales but having full blown jonin using ninja tech is really corny and nowhere even Naruto-like. The world has progressed over time but its too much.

Naruto supposedly dies in the future by Kawaki so it's possible he'll be stronger than Toneri or any of the Otsukisuki. It only works in the long term, short term it's determinantal to the story cause it means any fodder villains before Kawaki or the aliens are just obstacles with no true defining goals. In other words Ao.

Legit only redeeming thing about the series is Team 7 as a group. Boruto's endgame is to surpass Naruto as a human being and be an aide to Sarada, Sarada's is to be hokage, Mitsuki's is to follow Boruto. The connection works better than the old Team 7 cause in a way they're striving to better each other and not be an obstacle for one another.

Kishi said he wanted Boruto to be "bigger than Naruto". I have more faith in his new series being bigger than Naruto cause Boruto so far is a huge L. Been liking the anime though.

 

[razerxs]

Oricon Ranking Dec 24-31
38651 *610100 Haikyu!
25639 2273400 One Piece
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19394 *222412 Black Clover
15065 *316567 Promised Neverland 6
14282 *454489 Promised Neverland 1
13572 *193141 Gintama
13060 *429461 Promised Neverland 2
11791 *352791 Promised Neverland 5
11491 *377058 Promised Neverland 4
11296 *548374 MHA
10370 *395498 Promised Neverland 3

Oricon Ranking Dec 04-31
605170 *610100 Haikyu!
221652 *222412 Black Clover
191535 *193141 Gintama
129628 *130267 Kimetsu no Yaiba
106115 2273400 One Piece
*92619 **93024 Robot X LASERBEAM
*83861 **84158 We Never Learn
*73497 **73824 Dr. Stone

 

[SharkBait]

Will TPN surpass heroaca

 

[razerxs]

Oricon Ranking Jan 01-7
164072 *164072 Promised Neverland 7
*61845 **61845 Yuuna and the Haunted Hot Springs
*52219 **52219 The Disastrous Life of Saiki K.
*34020 **34020 Boys Over Flowers Season 2
*26171 *636271 Haikyu
*25775 **25775 Hinomaru Zumou
*22148 2295548 One Piece
*20770 *337337 Promised Neverland 6
*19741 *474230 Promised Neverland 1
*18667 *448128 Promised Neverland 2
*17594 *413092 Promised Neverland 3
*17382 *370173 Promised Neverland 5
*16909 *393967 Promised Neverland 4
*16517 *238929 Black Clover
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*15064 **15064 Juuni Taisen
*13636 *562010 MHA
*13086 **13086 Touken Ranbu: Hanamaru
*12164 **12164 Kiss X Death
*10795 **10795 Koro-sensei Q!
**9576 *265469 Black Clover 13
**9293 *324788 Dragon Ball Super
**8947 *280358 Black Clover 12
**8733 ***8733 Isobe Isobee
**8701 *291105 Black Clover 11
**8674 *201815 Gintama
**8286 *720868 Haikyu

 

[cody]

Oricon Ranking Jan 01-7
164072 *164072 Promised Neverland 7
*61845 **61845 Yuuna and the Haunted Hot Springs
*52219 **52219 The Disastrous Life of Saiki K.
*34020 **34020 Boys Over Flowers Season 2
*26171 *636271 Haikyu
*25775 **25775 Hinomaru Zumou
*22148 2295548 One Piece
*20770 *337337 Promised Neverland 6
*19741 *474230 Promised Neverland 1
*18667 *448128 Promised Neverland 2
*17594 *413092 Promised Neverland 3
*17382 *370173 Promised Neverland 5
*16909 *393967 Promised Neverland 4
*16517 *238929 Black Clover
-------
*15064 **15064 Juuni Taisen
*13636 *562010 MHA
*13086 **13086 Touken Ranbu: Hanamaru
*12164 **12164 Kiss X Death
*10795 **10795 Koro-sensei Q!
**9576 *265469 Black Clover 13
**9293 *324788 Dragon Ball Super
**8947 *280358 Black Clover 12
**8733 ***8733 Isobe Isobee
**8701 *291105 Black Clover 11
**8674 *201815 Gintama
**8286 *720868 Haikyu

Holy shit that Neverland boost. Please, I hope Beastars got a decent boost for being in second place in the Kono Sugoi rankings. Good to see Kimetsu getting closer to reaching the 150k mark when a new volume comes out. At this point, it's quite possible than an anime for Neverland won't give it such a high boost as getting first place in Kono manga sugoi, they'll need to give it a spectacular adaptation.

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Will TPN surpass heroaca

I don't know if it's funny or if it's sad that Neverland already surpassed Black Clover by a large margin. It is possible for it to surpass Hero, but only if it gets a great anime adaptation and if they handle the adaptation properly. Where they air the anime will also be crucial.

 

[Drmke]

What do you guys think of Robot Lazerbeam? For me, it's like the most boring series Jump has put out in a long time..

I liked it at first but it got bad immediately after the time skip. Honestly, the author seems to care less about the story and characters than I do now lol

 

[Obitooooo]

Oricon Ranking Jan 01-7
164072 *164072 Promised Neverland 7
*61845 **61845 Yuuna and the Haunted Hot Springs
*52219 **52219 The Disastrous Life of Saiki K.
*34020 **34020 Boys Over Flowers Season 2
*26171 *636271 Haikyu
*25775 **25775 Hinomaru Zumou
*22148 2295548 One Piece
*20770 *337337 Promised Neverland 6
*19741 *474230 Promised Neverland 1
*18667 *448128 Promised Neverland 2
*17594 *413092 Promised Neverland 3
*17382 *370173 Promised Neverland 5
*16909 *393967 Promised Neverland 4
*16517 *238929 Black Clover
-------
*15064 **15064 Juuni Taisen
*13636 *562010 MHA
*13086 **13086 Touken Ranbu: Hanamaru
*12164 **12164 Kiss X Death
*10795 **10795 Koro-sensei Q!
**9576 *265469 Black Clover 13
**9293 *324788 Dragon Ball Super
**8947 *280358 Black Clover 12
**8733 ***8733 Isobe Isobee
**8701 *291105 Black Clover 11
**8674 *201815 Gintama
**8286 *720868 Haikyu

Neverland total sales :

275.135

The new Death note (?)

Black clover sales :

43.741 ( Only volume 14, 13, 12 , 11 and if you estimate that the volumes from 1 to 10 make between 6000 and 7000 the total would be: 100.000 +- (?) - 10 x 6000 : 60.000 + 43000 ) i hope confirmation today.

 

[Scruffy8642]

Fujimaki has done a terrible job with his characters in Robo, and it's why the series is so bland for me. Characters are the most important thing about a sports series, and confrontation and comradery are the main selling points of the genre. He wasn't doing a good job initially, but he threw all that away with the timeskip to make things worse. Almost 40 chapters in and Robo and Akashibara are the only two characters with any sort of development to make the readers care about them (and even then, it's been very minimal, so its a stretch to say that).

I don't quite get what his aim is. Golf as a sport generally lacks the two aspects I mentioned above, but he built an entire school team setting and introduced a ton of characters that could've been interesting if developed to fix this, but he chucked it in to focus on a more individual story so early on, and it's not nearly as compelling and will take way longer to develop. I really want to see the series do well, but he's it into a bit of a hole which is gonna take a while to get out of at least (though he certainly has the time to do so given his fanbase).

I think it deserves all the bottom 5 ranks it's been getting, and Dr Stone and WNL are waay more developed in pretty much every aspect despite being at similar lengths. It's a shame and I hope he can improve on this in the future, but I do believe that if Fujimaki wasn't the big seller he is and just a regular veteran like Tamura and others, this would either be on the chopping block or already cancelled. It's not up to scratch, and he can do way better.

 

[Mr.Fujimaster]

Oricon Ranking Jan 01-7
*20770 *337337 Promised Neverland 6
*19741 *474230 Promised Neverland 1
*18667 *448128 Promised Neverland 2
*17594 *413092 Promised Neverland 3
*17382 *370173 Promised Neverland 5
*16909 *393967 Promised Neverland 4

Wow
Look at this boost.
More and more Neverland sales are becoming gigantic.

 

[Reigen]

Any news about HZ anime?

 

[Franz]

I don't know if it's funny or if it's sad that Neverland already surpassed Black Clover by a large margin.

???

 

[shoyoboyo]

I'm with Scruffy on this one. RxL has dropped off hard and while I was initially interested in the professional direction Fujimaki was taking the story, I lost interest pretty fast. I don't care about the Bigfoot guy at all.
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About Kimetsu, does anyone know what the Japs reception was to the recent chapter?