Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2018] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[SharkBait]

Does editor change ever lead to negative results?

 

[OfficialHxH]

Does editor change ever lead to negative results?

Not always

 

[De La Croissant]

Must be very intimidating to be editor of big names like Oda and Togashi.


- Sensei, I think extending the arc for more than 10 volumes is not a good id-
- What?
- N-nothing.
- What did you say, little boy?
- I...I said I think the arc should have more than 20 volumes.
- Oh, that's what I thought.

 

[cody]

Man, I wish Neverland's writing had the same spirit as the illustrations.




That's a big change. A new perspective can help the author to better explore the potential of the series. But I think Monji was with Horikoshi since before MHA, which means they already had an established bond and now a new bond needs to be built, which is not always easy.

This reminds me of Torishima, who assisted Toriyama since before Dr. Slump and left when Piccolo appeared. Throughout the manga we can see that the editor change influenced the tone of the series. With Torishima, everything was more cartoonish. Kondo was rigid, with him everything became more serious but the popularity increased a lot. With Takeda (Buu Saga), everything became a mess, but the comedy came back.

Last time you weren't happy with Posuka's art for the color page and now you aren't happy with the writing, interesting. What is this spirit you talk of, what exactly do you want to see, I'm curious xD.

 

[ScotchAianB]

 

[nonowa]

The art is more fantasy book-like and whimsical while the writing is colder and a bit more detached, I'd say. I really like it but I think that's what he could mean.

Anyway, Act-Age 2 seems different from chapter 1. In a good way, though. Kei was considerably humanized.

 

[cody]

The art is more fantasy book-like and whimsical while the writing is colder and a bit more detached, I'd say. I really like it but I think that's what he could mean.

That's an interesting way to look at it. I like how the two tones mesh, it creates a pretty unique and refreshing experience.

 

[De La Croissant]

Last time you weren't happy with Posuka's art for the color page and now you aren't happy with the writing, interesting. What is this spirit you talk of, what exactly do you want to see, I'm curious xD.

Posuka creates great compositions, but that sequence was weak in this regard. The new one is better. Her art makes it seem like I am facing a story of horror and mystery, the writing, on the other hand, is too analytical.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 26, 2018, Original Post Date: Jan 26, 2018 ---

Oh, now I've seen nonowa's comment.

 

[xAsum0x]

I swear people try way too hard to be critics.

 

[cody]

Posuka creates great compositions, but that sequence was weak in this regard. The new one is better. Her art makes it seem like I am facing a story of horror and mystery, the writing, on the other hand, is too analytical.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 26, 2018, Original Post Date: Jan 26, 2018 ---

Oh, now I've seen nonowa's comment.

It is an interesting mesh though. Both Posuka and Shirai are pretty inexperienced in the manga world, so they have a lot to learn, I'm sure they'll be able to improve and resonate even more as more time passes by.

 

[OfficialHxH]

"Shinsengumi on episode 346 airing February 4th."

 

[iceemperor]

That's a big change. A new perspective can help the author to better explore the potential of the series. But I think Monji was with Horikoshi since before MHA, which means they already had an established bond and now a new bond needs to be built, which is not always easy.

This reminds me of Torishima, who assisted Toriyama since before Dr. Slump and left when Piccolo appeared. Throughout the manga we can see that the editor change influenced the tone of the series. With Torishima, everything was more cartoonish. Kondo was rigid, with him everything became more serious but the popularity increased a lot. With Takeda (Buu Saga), everything became a mess, but the comedy came back.

Monji was with him since the start of Heroaca but Koike helped him actually set everything up for the start. Even in this comment, Horikoshi says "Thanks for the last 3 years" so Monji was with him since the release of Volume 1. Now with this change, we have a rookie editor who has only worked on a gag manga and some other manga from Saikyo Jump working on a traditional Battle shounen that is one of the current pillars of the magazine. It will be interesting to see what direction the series will change in, if there is any. The gags might be funnier and more well done but its the serious arcs that really need attention. Monji was unable to fully bring out Horikoshi's strengths in the intern arc. We'll see if Yoritomi is able to do so though this is an Oda situation where the editor is much younger and inexperienced compared to the mangaka.

 

[Tanzo]

1/26　特重
＊全＊
2/1 ジャンプ 遊・戯・王ARC−V最強デュエリスト遊矢！！ 2 友永　晃浩／スタジオ・ダイス

＊一一＊
NEW 2/5 ジャンプ 活撃　刀剣乱舞 1 津田　穂波／「刀剣乱舞−ONLINE−」より（DMM　GAMES／Nitroplus）
NEW 2/26 マーガレ ハニー 1〜8 目黒　あむ

＊手＊
2/2 りぼんマ きらめきのライオンボーイ 3 槙　ようこ
2/2 りぼんマ 僕の家においで 4〜10 優木　なち
2/2 マーガレ てをつなごうよ 2、3 目黒　あむ
2/2 マーガレ 僕の家においで　Wedding 1 優木　なち
2/2 マーガレ まんまるポタジェ 5、6 あいざわ　遥
2/2 マーガレ 蘭と葵 2 上田　倫子
2/2 マーガレ 理想的ボーイフレンド 3 綾瀬　羽美
NEW 2/16 ジャンプ 約束のネバーランド 1〜7 出水　ぽすか／白井　カイウ
NEW 2/16 マーガレ センセイ君主 2〜5、7、8、10、11 幸田　もも子
2/21 ヤングジ 東京喰種トーキョーグール 2、3 石田　スイ
2/21 ヤングジ 東京喰種トーキョーグール：re 1〜9 石田　スイ
NEW 2/26 マーガレ 僕に花のメランコリー 4 小森　みっこ
NEW 2/26 マーガレ メイちゃんの執事DX 3 宮城　理子
NEW 2/26 マーガレ 理想的ボーイフレンド 1〜5 綾瀬　羽美


延期
3/2　→　4/4
ゆらぎ荘の幽奈さん 10


追加
4/4
フルドライブ 2 400
フルドライブ 3 400
カラダ探し 解 1 400
ハイキュー！！　メッセージカードブック　ハイキュー便！ 未定


本体価
3/2
シューダン！ 4　未定　→　400
心臓に杭を打ちつけて 2　400　→　440
剥き出しの白鳥　未定　→　600
ＯＮＥ　ＰＩＥＣＥ　尾田栄一郎画集　ＷＯＬＦ　ＣＯＬＯＲＷＡＬＫ　８　未定　→　1500

Upcoming Reprints:
2/16 - The Promised Neverland #1-7

Release Date Moved
3/2 -> 4/4 - Yuragi-sou no Yuuna-san #10

More April 4th Releases:
Full Drive #2 + 3 (end?)
Karada Sagashi Kai #1
Haikyuu!! Message Card Book

 

[iceemperor]

Upcoming Reprints:
2/16 - The Promised Neverland #1-7

Release Date Moved
3/2 -> 4/4 - Yuragi-sou no Yuuna-san #10

More April 4th Releases:
Full Drive #2 + 3 (end?)
Karada Sagashi Kai #1
Haikyuu!! Message Card Book

There are some more reprints before that (unless this has been posted before and I missed it):

NEW 2/2 ジャンプ 僕のヒーローアカデミア すまっしゅ！！ (Heroaca smash) 2 根田　啓史
NEW 2/2 ジャンプ 僕のヒーローアカデミア (Heroaca) 3〜10 堀越　耕平

NEW 2/5 ジャンプ DRAGON　BALL外伝 (DB Gaiden)　転生したらヤムチャだった件 ドラゴン画廊・リー／鳥山　明

NEW 2/5 ジャンプ SLAM　DUNK 3、24 井上　雄彦
NEW 2/5 ジャンプ ハイキュー！！ (Haikyuu) 1〜3、8、9、12、16、19、20、22〜24 古舘　春一
NEW 2/13 ジャンプ SLAM　DUNK　完全版 1、18、19、21 井上　雄彦

Also it should be noted that for all these reprints (including the Neverland reprints), they're being reprinted and being sent to the warehouse rather than directly to the markets (or stores). Last year December 22, Dr. Stone and Bokuben had emergency reprints that were done and sent directly to the market, Dr. Stone for Vol 1-3 and Bokuben Vol 1-4.

 

[TyVip]

Yuuna release date got moved again. Tell me something new.

 

[Newkerzy]

Monji was with him since the start of Heroaca but Koike helped him actually set everything up for the start. Even in this comment, Horikoshi says "Thanks for the last 3 years" so Monji was with him since the release of Volume 1. Now with this change, we have a rookie editor who has only worked on a gag manga and some other manga from Saikyo Jump working on a traditional Battle shounen that is one of the current pillars of the magazine. It will be interesting to see what direction the series will change in, if there is any. The gags might be funnier and more well done but its the serious arcs that really need attention. Monji was unable to fully bring out Horikoshi's strengths in the intern arc. We'll see if Yoritomi is able to do so though this is an Oda situation where the editor is much younger and inexperienced compared to the mangaka.

Horikoshi's only 31 years old, if I recall. His new editor's only a year above me, 28. So there's not that big of an age gap. But I do agree that as far his resume goes, he's definitely very inexperienced.

I have a question for you guys: Do you all think it's wise to pair an inexperienced editor with a big name and vice versa? I can see Jump's logic for giving these inexperienced staff members a chance to work with experienced authors, but most of the time, from what I see is that it tends to make the stories suffer somewhat. What do you think?

 

[TyVip]

H

I have a question for you guys: Do you all think it's wise to pair an inexperienced editor with a big name and vice versa? I can see Jump's logic for giving these inexperienced staff members a chance to work with experienced authors, but most of the time, from what I see is that it tends to make the stories suffer somewhat. What do you think?

The first sentence is Jump ironclad tradition. It must work since Jump produced hit left and right right?

Current Editor in Chief Nakano talked about this in an interview. Pair new editor to veteran mangaka to train the editor.

Think about it, if you pair two noobs together, what will happen?

 

[Newkerzy]

No, but if you pair an equally experienced editor with an experienced mangaka, wouldn't we see more consistency on the story's quality?

 

[iceemperor]

No, but if you pair an equally experienced editor with an experienced mangaka, wouldn't we see more consistency on the story's quality?

The problem with that is that you have an editor that has rather set in their "theories". They will use their past experience in how certain developments did for certain series and may suggest similar events in this manga to either increase popularity or as just a direction for the series to go in. For experienced mangaka, its critical that they constantly get fresh opinions so that they can keep coming up with new developments that are exciting. Sure you might have a great story when you pair experienced editors and mangaka together but you can't rule out that it will become stale. Nakano also said that many editors in the department are young to make sure that the magazine itself is in line with what current young people want.

 

[Newkerzy]

That's certainly true. But it's been noted a few times by Jump (I think) that younger editors often have trouble speaking their minds about the story against the more experienced mangaka. So, wouldn't this show it might not be working out the way Jump hopes it to be?

I was wondering, what if Jump had a two-editor system? One is the official editor and the other is an understudy/intern of sorts. The official editor does most of the work, while the younger intern is allowed to attend the meetings so they could understand the different characters of each mangaka so they'd be ready to take over when the time comes.

I also remember an interview with Felipe Smith on ANN. His editor says that the best part about working with him is that he's a lot more open about what he wants out of his story compared to other mangaka. From what he says, a lot of mangakas tend to be less open about their feelings, so that makes it difficult for editors to understand how they want their story to go.

So that makes the editor's job a bit harder because they have to coax the mangakas to be honest about their feelings.

But really, the most important thing of all is about their communication.