Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2018] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[101nemesis]

After the end of Naruto many people have been looking for a manga to remember it and the choice happened on MHA by chance because it had a lot of similarities (it's undeniable).

There is nothing wrong with admitting it ...

Uhm, no actually. It's actually completely deniable. You've not stated a single thing yet to prove your case.
Give me specifics mate. Tell me what was similar in Naruto. Show me how the japanese readers were looking for a manga and happened onto MHA because of the similarities. Show me japanese articles or even japanese forum posts that state the readers find it similar and found MHA as the replacement.
If you can't and like I said, you definitely cannot, you'll still just be talking about what you THINK happened without providing even a shred of concrete evidence. So basically it's your OPINION without any facts. *shrugs*

http://comicbook.com/anime/2017/10/...just-called-my-hero-academia-the-next-naruto/

So, just a FYI. MHA came out in 07/2014. Kishimoto said this in 07/2017 (3 years later), you know when the 2nd season was going on already and the manga had already attained more than 90% of it's current peak.
So yeah, this is a very poor argument.

So I do not explain then the merchandising they are building on if, as you say, there is no chance that sells more and will be dropped in a year or two ....

And merchandising will do what? If the anime's popularity isn't that big to start with, the merchandises would not sell very much anyway. The anime is what decides how much merchandise will sell. If anime is popular, merchandise will sell. If anime is just average in popularity, merchandise would sell average numbers.
That's why Toriko's merchandise sold a lot because its anime always got good ratings on TV.

So, unless its a kiddie show where fluffy plush dolls will helps kids like the anime more, the merchandise cannot directly affect the popularity of a series. The anime will remain the main means of growth for most series, especially in the battle genre.

How long? A week ?

Please, before the manga did not care anyone, if it had not been for the advertising of Jump and Kishimoto itself would have been a manga of two volumes or a little more ....

Lol what!
Yeah, you're right. No one cared. ABSOLUTELY TRUE!
Aside from first volume selling 140k before Naruto ended (which is a big number for a new series, something BC didn't achieve until multiple volumes later, something Kimetsu, Dr. Stone, RxL, WNL, HZ have still not achieved) and the great ranks it got (if I'm not mistaken, it was in the top 2-3, 95% of the time in the first 2 years). So yeah, aside from the TWO MOST IMPORTANT CRITERIA in which new series have to define how popular they are (sales and ranks), no one noticed it at all.
Even you must know how stupid that sounded. I hope so, at the very least.

 

[cody]

In fact it's 3 years (although this year surely not) and agree with you.

You're right! People really bash the sales of the manga too much considering such an achievement.

 

[Koi Kage]

Can we please stop arguing over this their both equally successful series and each series appeals to different set of people so who cares about which makes more money for the company it's important to remember that sells numbers does not equate to the enjoyment of an indavidual.

Question what's everyone top 3 currently running series in the magazine?
Mines is curently Black Clover, We Never Learn, and Dr.Stone

 

[Mammo]

this inferiority complex is getting more and more ridiculous

just when you finish refuting a BC fan false statement about MHA another one pop up with an even bigger bullshit

props to the people that keep refuting them, I would've grown tired by now

on a different not but not really, remember when Kishi recommended SnE after Naruto ended and it didn't do anything for it? of course BC fans wouldn't remember, they're are not fixated with anything but MHA

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Can we please stop arguing over this their both equally successful series

SEE WHAT I FUCKING MEAN???!!!

they're not equally successful, one is clearly more successful than the other

 

[cody]

Can we please stop arguing over this their both equally successful series

Question what's everyone top 3 currently running series in the magazine?

Equally successful? No.

People already listed their top WSJ manga at the start of 2018 or at the end of 2017.

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I don't really read Bokuben, but I was curious to see why someone was complaining about the fanservice and it was just a hot springs chapter. But whoever this girl is, she is the cutest and she should win.

 

[Leoat12]

Great opportunity to show my average rankings for Jump series since Issue 14/2017. XD

So the favorites are: One Piece, Shokugeki no Soma and We Never Learn in this date. "We Never Learn" was averaging less than 3, but ecchi... u.u

 

[Koi Kage]

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SEE WHAT I FUCKING MEAN???!!!

they're not equally successful, one is clearly more successful than the other

Equally successful? No.

People already listed their top WSJ manga at the start of 2018 or at the end of 2017.

Equally successful as in they both have lasted for about 2 years I wasn't speaking sales wise of course one sales more then the other. Should've worded that question differently which 3 series chapter that came out this week did everyone enjoy most.

I don't really read Bokuben, but I was curious to see why someone was complaining about the fanservice and it was just a hot springs chapter. But whoever this girl is, she is the cutest and she should win.

Thats the teacher Kirisu-sensei she's more of a comic releif character in my opinion and I think the reason they where complaining about the most curent chapter is because the series just came off of a se of beach chapters.

 

[xAsum0x]

Great opportunity to show my average rankings for Jump series since Issue 14/2017. XD

So the favorites are: One Piece, Shokugeki no Soma and We Never Learn in this date. "We Never Learn" was averaging less than 3, but ecchi... u.u

My eyes

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Equally successful as in they both have lasted for about 2 years I wasn't speaking sales wise of course one sales more then the other. Should've worded that question differently which 3 series chapter that came out this week did everyone enjoy most.

That's not equal levels of success. Black Clover is successful, if anybody says otherwise theyre haters, but you don't have to justify it this way. MHA was a hit from the get go

 

[De La Croissant]

Sees faults in other series, but not in Souma.

I'm watching you, Leoat, I'm watching you.

 

[ChocoBar9]

Why do Black Clovers fans always try to bring My Hero Academia down to its level? They're not equals at all since one is CLEARLY more celebrated than the other and this was before their respective anime adaptations made the divide even more apparent. Black Clover's manga is a success, who really cares at this point? When Neverland gets its anime and people start liking that over Black Clover are you going to say they're equals too?

 

[Franz]

Give me specifics mate. Tell me what was similar in Naruto.

MHA is Naruto with superhero. Like Black Clover is Naruto with mage.

And merchandising will do what? .

It's a simple reasoning. If they are doing a similar merchandising it is because they believe in the project.

In Japan, if something is not successful, I do not think twice about dropping it.

And Kishimoto's declaration dates back to a while in 2017 ....

 

[ShenGao]

Why do Black Clovers fans always try to bring My Hero Academia down to its level? They're not equals at all since one is CLEARLY more celebrated than the other and this was before their respective anime adaptations made the divide even more apparent. Black Clover's manga is a success, who really cares at this point? When Neverland gets its anime and people start liking that over Black Clover are you going to say they're equals too?

Isn't that the case already? Looking anywhere from r/manga, to /a/, to the manga discussion forums here TPN gets at least double the amount of comments, views, upvotes and discussion.

 

[xAsum0x]

MHA is Naruto with superhero. Like Black Clover is Naruto with mage.

No, no it isnt. Haven't you already proven yourself to be wrong multiple times this discussion? Stop this man

 

[Doughboy]

I have a few questions.

Who is mad over WNL’s chapter other from Leoat?

Why are you guys still arguing with Ice King?

I’m just curiously wanting to know but what do you like currently that’s going on in Boruto Leoat?

Why do Black Clovers fans always try to bring My Hero Academia down to its level? They're not equals at all since one is CLEARLY more celebrated than the other and this was before their respective anime adaptations made the divide even more apparent. Black Clover's manga is a success, who really cares at this point? When Neverland gets its anime and people start liking that over Black Clover are you going to say they're equals too?

Deku yells, punches Overhaul: “kind of a bland chapter this week, didn’t care too much and I really hope my prediction doesn’t come true.”

Asta yells, punches Mars: “amazing chapter this week, seriously it was perfect and flowed amazing. Very deep undertones as well.”/Koi Kage

 

[Leoat12]

Sees faults in other series, but not in Souma.

I'm watching you, Leoat, I'm watching you.

If there was any flaw, I would spot. The shokugeki recently has been terrific, the current shokugeki featuring Isshiki has been tremendous, great story. Almost all characters are interesting and the authors do a good job at talking about them without neglecting the culinary aspect. I just don't see any reason to not love it. It is delivering what promises.

 

[xAsum0x]

I remember when Asta gave that speech to Noelles brother after he beat him and Koi Kage said it was the great shonen speech a MC has given

 

[101nemesis]

MHA is Naruto with superhero. Like Black Clover is Naruto with mage.

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This has to be the worst thought out statement I've seen on this forum. At least one of the worst.
So I guess, Kimetsu is Bleach with demons. Saiki is Gintama with Psychic powers. TPN is Attack On Titan without Titans. Shokugeki no Soma is Bakuman with cooking. HZ is Slam Dunk with Sumo. Haikyuu!! is KnB with volleyball. KnB is Prince of tennis with basketball. Prince of Tennis is DBZ with tennis.

It's a simple reasoning. If they are doing a similar merchandising it is because they believe in the project.

In Japan, if something is not successful, I do not think twice about dropping it.

And Kishimoto's declaration dates back to a while in 2017 ....

No, It's what one does to keep the buzz alive. It's not to increase said buzz. It's to gain more revenue from the popularity (irrespective of how small or big the popularity was) by selling stuff based on the new anime. It's why music artists release items when they have new albums out because having some new form of media to absorb encourages people to buy one or two extra things. That's how the market works. Irrespective of how low the popularity might be for the anime, they will sell merchandise especially in the initial stages. How much merchandise they will produce would be calculated obviously and adjustments would be made to meet demand or reduced to not overproduce.

 

[xAsum0x]

I have a few questions.

Who is mad over WNL’s chapter other from Leoat?

I could honestly care less about this series in general, it's just the blandest most cookie cutter rom com harem I've seen.

 

[cody]

I don't even know why you guys are bothering to discuss WSJ manga anymore. It's only OP from the big three that's left, after Naruto and Bleach ended, WSJ died, everything else that has come after that has been a cheap Naruto or a Bleach copy.

 

[xAsum0x]

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This has to be the worst thought out statement I've seen on this forum. At least one of the worst.
So I guess, Kimetsu is Bleach with demons. Saiki is Gintama with Psychic powers. TPN is Attack On Titan without Titans. Shokugeki no Soma is Bakuman with cooking. HZ is Slam Dunk with Sumo. Haikyuu!! is KnB with volleyball. KnB is Prince of tennis with basketball. Prince of Tennis is DBZ with tennis.




No, It's what one does to keep the buzz alive. It's not to increase said buzz. It's to gain more revenue from the popularity (irrespective of how small or big the popularity was) by selling stuff based on the new anime. It's why music artists release items when they have new albums out because having some new form of media to absorb encourages people to buy one or two extra things. That's how the market works. Irrespective of how low the popularity might be for the anime, they will sell merchandise especially in the initial stages. How much merchandise they will produce would be calculated obviously and adjustments would be made to meet demand or reduced to not overproduce.

Naruto fans do this all the time with newer series they act like they created the underdog theme and hot headed MC. It's just another way for them to jerk Naruto acting like everyone just inspires to be like Naruto and copy it. They be like

MHA: Green Naruto
Black Clover: Wizard Naruto
Fire Brigade: Firefighter Naruto!