Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2018] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Leoat12]

Nakano overall seems almost incompetent. He repeated mentioned in interviews that even though digital subscriptions are increasing he wants to increase physical print numbers. Print numbers will never rise again. Torishima even mentions that he realized this back when he became the EiC after Jump hit its peak of 6.53 million copies in a recent interview. He even says he felt a doubt as to what the point of increasing print numbers was. He felt it was more profitable to focus in increasing revenue from Tankoubon sales and and the merchandise sales and what not that come in from anime adaptations. He mentions that Yugioh was such a hit. Its better to focus on the combined revenue. I feel that he's basically trying to bring Jump up to the current generation while also trying to keep the old ways and in the process, stuff like the TOC gets messed up. He even says that since he grew up with the print version he wants to focus on that print version and increase sales while at the same time, he wants to do digital as well. It just feels disjointed and all over the place.

Dark times indeed... My digital releases will not get any better any time soon it seems...

Not for me. I started reading manga 9 years ago and at that time there were many WSJ manga which interested me, but except for One Piece all of them are done and gone. And the only "new" manga which i liked from the first chapter and still like is My Hero Academia. The problem with the other newer ones is that they aren't what i look for in WSJ manga, super powered battle shonen.
There are just 4 of these manga left in the magazine which won't go anywhere anytime soon: One Piece, My Hero Academia, Black Clover and Kimetsu no Yaiba. I already said i like One Piece and My Hero Academia, i still read Black Clover but just because there isn't anything else to read, and my enjoyment of Kimetsu no Yaiba took a big dip with the current arc. I doubt there will be any other such manga left to read which i will like as much as One Piece after One Piece is finished, so why continue reading manga? To read the axed manga with less than 20 chapters in the hope that every 4 or 5 years another one i could like appears which doesn't get axed?
And if Shueisha plans a One Piece GT or Super after the manga is finished then i should really stop with anime and manga. What they did to Dragon Ball with Super is fanfic at this point. To imagine that 20 year old drawings of Super Saiyan 5 are as good as canon now makes me fear how the 12 year old drawings of Luffy's Gear 4 could become canon in One Piece Super.

Have you ever tried reading something outside Jump?

 

[Franz]

Have you ever tried reading something outside Jump?

I agree

 

[ShenGao]

Have you ever tried reading something outside Jump?

I did, but reading from other magazines than WSJ creates a new problem: lack of translations. An example: I recently started reading Kengan Ashua published in Ura Sunday and i like it. It has over 200 chapters released in over 20 volumes, but there are only 94 chapters fan-translated and no english volumes released as far as i know. Or Mairimashita! Iruma-kun from Weekly Shonen Champion with over 50 chapters released, but less than 15 are fan-translated.
I would like to read them and catch up as fast as possible, but i can't because either nobody translates them or there are translations for 1 chapter every week/2 weeks/every month. And you never know if a translation group just quits one day. Because then you are left with an obscure manga, with no more translations, no hope of official translations ever happening and you will never know how the story ends if you don't know or learn how to read japanese.

 

[Leoat12]

I did, but reading from other magazines than WSJ creates a new problem: lack of translations. An example: I recently started reading Kengan Ashua published in Ura Sunday and i like it. It has over 200 chapters released in over 20 volumes, but there are only 94 chapters fan-translated and no english volumes released as far as i know. Or Mairimashita! Iruma-kun from Weekly Shonen Champion with over 50 chapters released, but less than 15 are fan-translated.
I would like to read them and catch up as fast as possible, but i can't because either nobody translates them or there are translations for 1 chapter every week/2 weeks/every month. And you never know if a translation group just quits one day. Because then you are left with an obscure manga, with no more translations, no hope of official translations ever happening and you will never know how the story ends if you don't know or learn how to read japanese.

Well, there is still time to learn Japanese before One Piece ends. In only three years of study I'm now able to read anything I want without much effort and I've been discovering series that are far better than Jump series, except for One Piece.

 

[xAsum0x]

I'm sure when Dragon ball ended ppl felt the same way about the magazine being screwed. You never know what can happen in 5-10 years before One Piece ends

 

[Leoat12]

The magazine actually lost a big chunk of its print numbers from one week to another after Dragon Ball ended and didn't recover ever since. One Piece ending can really be the end for the Jump as we know... It will start to sell like Magazine or even Sunday, who knows. XD

 

[cody]

The magazine actually lost a big chunk of its print numbers from one week to another after Dragon Ball ended and didn't recover ever since. One Piece ending can really be the end for the Jump as we know... It will start to sell like Magazine or even Sunday, who knows. XD

How big are we talking, I'm quite curious about this.

 

[Halloween]

I'll definitely be reading manga for the rest of my life, if only for Berserk alone, lol.

Toriko could have easily lasted decades as well, which makes it ending all the more depressing for me. That was one series I wouldn't have minded growing old with.

 

[TyVip]

How big are we talking, I'm quite curious about this.

http://comipress.com/article/2007/05/06/1923.html


6.53 to 5.88 (1997) then to ~4.05 million (only on one issue on 2018)

So, PRETTY BIG.

 

[iceemperor]

How big are we talking, I'm quite curious about this.

http://comipress.com/article/2007/05/06/1923.html


6.53 to 5.88 (1997) then to ~4.05 million (only on one issue on 2018)

So, PRETTY BIG.

Immediately following the end of Dragon Ball, there was a drop in a few percentage points of actual sales. Before it used to do around 97-98% of the amount of copies printed. The biggest reason was that elementary school kids and similar age groups no longer found anything interesting to read as lots of series were written with older audiences in mind.

 

[Leoat12]

How big are we talking, I'm quite curious about this.

From Wikipedia:

• 1995年3-4号 653万部 歴代最高部数を記録 （ギネスブックに登録）。
• 1996年新年号 588万部
• 1997年 405万部（年間平均）
  • この年より発行部数が集英社の公称から印刷証明付発行部数に変更
  • 1997年11月『週刊少年マガジン』に発行部数で抜かれる。
• 1998年 360万部（年間平均）

1995 was Dragon Ball last year of publication, it was the year Jump reached its peak with its Guiness Book record of 6.530.000 copies in issue 3-4. In 1996, with Dragon Ball already ended, it decreased to 5.880.000 and by 1998 it was almost half of it was in 1995. In 1984, when Dragon Ball started, the average was 3.900.000, so by 1998 it started to print less than it was originally when Dragon Ball started. It has been decreasing ever since.
In a graph we can see clearly that 1995 was the end of Golden Era. XD

 

[Tamil]

It wasn't just Dragon Ball's end that caused sales to drop but also SD. Thankfully it didn't result in Oda/Shimabu being depressed about starting their careers

Spoiler

Don't feel so depressed, I'm sure there will be many huge hits in WSJ by the time OP's end and after.

 

[cody]

It wasn't just Dragon Ball's end that caused sales to drop but also SD. Thankfully it didn't result in Oda/Shimabu being depressed about starting their careers

Spoiler

Don't feel so depressed, I'm sure there will be many huge hits in WSJ by the time OP's end and after.

Surely there will be many other hits. But realistically, we probably won't be seeing many manga that sell over 30 million copies any longer. 25 million seems tough enough already(because it is). Maybe digital sales will go through the roof though, who knows for now...

 

[CallMeTsuyu]

Looking forward to Takamasa Moue-sensei and Galaxy Gangs bringing an entire universe worth of fun and adventures to a new generation of Jump readers

 

[Leoat12]

It wasn't just Dragon Ball's end that caused sales to drop but also SD. Thankfully it didn't result in Oda/Shimabu being depressed about starting their careers

Spoiler

Don't feel so depressed, I'm sure there will be many huge hits in WSJ by the time OP's end and after.

Not all hits are good though, see Black Clover, for example.
I want to see fire!

I think my Takagi avatar is having some effect on me because I really want to tease some fanbases right now.

 

[Silverblade]

The state of western manga "readers".

 

[101nemesis]

I'd recommend Kingdom to anyone looking to expand outside WSJ. Kingdom is essentially the One Piece of Weekly Young Jump, in the sense its very beloved and it's popularity had multiple increases with the biggest one coming a year or two ago.

Not all hits are good though, see Black Clover, for example.
I want to see fire!

STAHP.

 

[ChocoBar9]

Just don't watch the Kingdom anime!

 

[xAsum0x]

Looking forward to Takamasa Moue-sensei and Galaxy Gangs bringing an entire universe worth of fun and adventures to a new generation of Jump readers

SOON

 

[SharkBait]

Just don't watch the Kingdom anime!

That was one of the best period based animes, the characters were voiced perfectly and the suspense was amazing. I cant imagine the manga even being as gram of as good as the anime was, especially since these types of stories are extremely difficult to follow in manga. Still praying for an s3, in s1 animation style. Shin was the best and he sounded like Ichigo Kurosaki, heart.